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[Taly]

ye ya yo yeet

since im the first to post here, im the fucking leader

and my first declaration as leader: im going to bed, all games start right when im about to sleep omg

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FoS

RH

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Mmmm, I don't really have an opinion on

Drew

yet.

I think people should group with townreads. Scum are disincentivized to townread their buddies with this mindset, since they need to spread out.

[Taly]

I think I'd rather focus on the order of who states their preference/joins for any dungeon rather than looking at the intent of the dungeon itself. If we don't group all 3 scum, the goal never changes since the scum will make every group 2:1 anyway.

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I think town discussing information is more beneficial from a reads standpoint than consolidation. I haven't played this setup before but it sounds practically difficulty to achieve all 3 scum in one area, at least in light of an immediate, and arguably unavoidable random pick. But this is the length of my philosophy on the setup.

Reads:

Town: Taly

Order to Join

1. Taly
2 .
3.
4
5.
6.
7.
8.

We can give an order of who we want to state their activity preference and/or join an activity.

For those casting suspicion, I need to hear why what

Drew

did was scummy as opposed to a playstyle difference.

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For those casting suspicion, I need to hear why what

Drew

did was scummy as opposed to a playstyle difference.

Drew isn't scummy per se. It's the second joiner who I would be most suspicious of. I had a bit of a different thought about Drew last night but I don't think it's valid after thinking about it.

Yeah agree, I don’t think it was scummy but it was bad for town.

We shouldn’t make an ordered list by first come first serve, we should decide by consensus. Don’t you think that’s better? Also Taly?

RR didn’t double click, site was just glitchy.

Yeah, my ordered list was off a consensus, but nobody stops someone from an individual list.

For those casting suspicion, I need to hear why what

Drew

did was scummy as opposed to a playstyle difference.

What Drew did was neutral at best, scum siding at worst. Either way it was a bad idea and makes me scum Drew.
It stops us from being able to properly plan where we want to throw people on the town-scum scale in locations.
My list from earlier doesn't work if we think Drew is sucmmy as they've already chosen a spot so we have so suboptimally (imo) place people.
It's also a huge benefit for a sucm to choose early. I find town hunting easier than scum hunting so I'd want to assign who I think is town first before sorting the remaining players. It's just really bad.

I'm towning Nona and RR and scumming Drew atm

I agree that townreads higher in the order are the preferred method.

Tbh I see mech plays and ideas as NAI off principle, so I think psuedovotes are a good measurement to simulate reads and pressure.

~

Herta

, why do you want to be number 2? And you don't contest to me being number 1?

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Legit afraid I'm going go quote dump from another game with this new format lmao

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I mean it doesn't lock us from any possible arrangement of players no?

Really good question

@RH, can votes be redacted or changed?

For pseudovotes: HURT:

oof me no find the hurt symbol me had to type it

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i have processed nothing in the last 2 pages

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Meg

is the only person I've got a townping on and that is largely because I agree with: 53, 63, 79 rather than a behavior-based read.

pedit

I guess we have been warned you might be a hot mess all game

LMFAO

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Herta
, why do you want to be number 2? And you don't contest to me being number 1?

For whatever reason I thought we were popcorning. I don't really care where I fit in I don't think. I do wonder why you want to be first though.

I mean, I have incentive to be first since that gives my choice immediate precedence and to see people base their choices

after

me. So I focus more on observation than not.

But the order list with me at first was an example, rather than an actual call for order. Unintentionally, it served more as a mechanism to see how others feel about the ordering.

Why don't you care where you fit?

Taly may be a hot mess, but the mess is the most colorful mess you've ever seen.

pedit

oh shit, 5+ quotes came up

what is the "ew",

Elements

? (for

Herta

and

Drew

)

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his game

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rat

reads, analysis, or observations: go

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So

Herta

, wanna destroy all concern regarding that and we join

Drew

in the dungeon?

[Taly]

Those eyes.

I guess if Drew's town and you're town that would increase the chances of grouping scum.

But if one of you isn't town then that wincon is forfeited.

Are you that confident that Drew and I are town? Willing to take that leap?

I don't know that I am.

Like I said, put anyone you want in the dungeon with me.

When I posed the question, not really.

But I do like both of your replies to it, so the idea isn't off the table and I will pushback any hasty votes on

Dungeon

specifically, now.

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rat

reads, analysis, or observations: go

I don't like what Drew did, though I've already said that. Elements seems a little bit jumpy, slight concern there. Meg I think is probably Town, thoughts seem genuine. I think you're probably Town as well. Most everyone else is null.

I think if possible Court's where we should stick the scummiest people and hopefully we get all three, but if we don't then forcing one of the more suspicious slots to be confirmed would be nice.

Things do need to get moving though, so whoever hasn't said where they want to go yet, start saying that.

Who would you group with, and where would you like to be?

been filled.
If all 3 Insurrectionists are in the same location by the end of the day, the Devotees will win.

So, I just saw this and it really doesn’t matter where the three scum are as long as it’s in the same place, so does it really matter which place we choose so long as it’s coordinated?

If we can find those players and assign them to the same place we win. Taly, not disputing what you said but can you explain to me why Mega’s posts are town? Because I don’t understand what she said.

I just agree with his perspective on approaching this game more than I did anyone else.

53 prioritized gamesolving, which is inevitably what

does

prevent scum grouping, rather than assigning variables to specific locations that give informed scum a blueprint to coordinating their interactions.

63 and 79 acknowledged the Day 2 scenario, I wrote this pre-emptively in my TL;DR.

TL;DR, it's good to try and group the scumteam, but who catches the scumteam D1 - or it is the consensus among town? It's unrealistic to focus on that ahead of this being a typical mafia game where townies can pick the players

they feel confident in solving

.

I feel like this argument can also come from scum, but considering I nodded a lot in a short period of time, it feels likelier town.

[Taly]

I'll add more context here

I'm not feeling the herta town vibes really

Herta

is the person I am most familiar with on this list, both in playing as the same alignment and different alignment - alongside hydra'ing.

So even if I don't have a concrete read on them, my bias skews toward being able to determine their alignment.

Is there something else I should consider?

[Taly]

Hmmm, a lot of nice posts to dissect this page.

[Taly]

No, another, more town sided (maybe) strategy is to pair people who actually think they can read each other. Like, rats has played with me a fair bunch recently, for example

Do you think they are town tho.

Maybe I wasn't as clear, but the former post

is

my stance on how I approach this game, which is why I'm not bothered that I don't have a solid townread on either of them.

No, another, more town sided (maybe) strategy is to pair people who actually think they can read each other. Like, rats has played with me a fair bunch recently, for example

Also liking Bella. So if all of Rat, Taly, Meg, Bella and I are town, that leaves Elements, Herta, Drew. So unless I’m wrong somewhere. Hmmm . . . that would be right if I’m right but also seems to easy and I’m kind of wary of easy, so I don’t think we should rush into any unalterable decisions yet. But Elements’ townreading me also gave me good vibes.

What would an

{Elements, Herta, Drew}

scumteam be trying to accomplish now, if anything?

Taly is probably town.

Don't really have a preferance for where I go but if I had to pick an order itd probably be (Vote for town one, dungeon, other one)

What do you think of 145?

I said earlier that I'd like Palace. I feel pretty comfortable on Meg being Town so far, so fine with them joining. You (Taly) would be my other main townread so far, but you've expressed a desire for Dungeon with Herta, which works for me assuming Drew is Town. Then Bella's right we have played a lot recently, though I don't think I've ever seen her scumgame.

I would prefer NOT to be paired with Nona, Drew, or Farren. Mainly just since I haven't played with them before,so not confident on readability.

I guess final preference then would be Palace with Meg and Bella?

If I don't go into the

Dungeon

, I want to go into the

Palace

.

[Taly]

A

Meg, Taly, Rat

Palace combination does sound delicious.

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What would an {Elements, Herta, Drew} scumteam be trying to accomplish now, if anything?

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I noticed that too, it confused me for a moment as well.

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I'm good with the

Palace

team, I think I prefer that to

Dungeon

after more thought.

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I mean, if we had to designate null/scumreads to a specific group, I would suggest

Court

.

We need to use

Court

like a cop utility if we don't auto-win.

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The issue is, null/scumreads are virtually impossible to build a universal consensus on.

[Taly]

I mean, if we had to designate null/scumreads to a specific group, I would suggest

Court

.

We need to use

Court

like a cop utility if we don't auto-win.

But this hinges on

Drew's

alignment.

Drew

, why did you choose

Dungenon

and not one of the other two locations?

[Taly]

Hmm, that seems natural. Thanks for answering,

Drew

.

I'd hate to be in

Court

as both alignments, lmao

If I were scum, it would be too draining to effort an elimination on someone.

And as town... I'm frequently a UTR and/or in elo (sometimes because I am a UTR)... I'd like to deviate from that dilemma a bit.

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Someone that's townreading Meg, tell me why?

I don't think they are pocketing me and has provided the most digestible, solid draft of a plan so far.

Do you think I am misled?

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What has made the townvibe on

Rat

subside?

And I don't have a solid opinion on

Nona

. I can reasonably argue their POV from either alignment.

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Okay, there's the townping from

Drew

, good.

[Taly]

*blows raspberry at

herta

*

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hehehehe

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Why not SvS?

[Taly]

I agree too.

Intent to vote palace soon

I like

Meg

and

Rat

for that still.

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I'm wondering if it's wise to gatekeep

Palace

further by suggesting I join and then choose who I want.

[Taly]

I'll be honest, if we don't group all 3 scum I think I'll be moved to

Court

, probably.

[Taly]

if we don't auto-win, will the self-awareness mean i get added to dungeon instead

...

Maybe scum will realize it is pointless and town wins at ANY activity I am apart of.
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH!

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The day concludes in 2 1/2 days. Considering the shorter deadline length, we should be constructing some conclusions now.

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The reason why I had expressed intent was to PREVENT quick voting.

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No, that wasn't helpful

Nona

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Fuck

[Taly]

If you're town I

really

need a justification beyond "I don't want to work with X so I'll dismiss the current town idea of plan."

[Taly]

The reason why I had expressed intent was to PREVENT quick voting.

No, that wasn't helpful

Nona

Sorry but weren’t you going to vote Palace anyway?

Yeah, with

Meg

and

Rat

as the proposed combination. I was open to others, but now that isn't an option. You took that away.

[Taly]

You're not getting it.

There's at least 2 other slots I have a stronger townread on than you or

Meg

.

[Taly]

You justifying your vote from your 1v1 with

Drew

is what I envisioned scum would do when they know a

Palace

townbloc has formed.

It's why I was interested on consensus. It's why I didn't just vote to go there myself.

[Taly]

You did exactly what I would do as scum and didn't get my way.

You could've talked about

Court

.

You could've tried to explain your

Drew

scumread and why it's not ideal for you to join there

(Which is still somewhat odd, because as town, you WANT confident scumreads in a place like Dungeon.)

But you didn't.

[Taly]

You're not getting it.

There's at least 2 other slots I have a stronger townread on than you or

Meg

.

You don’t want Meg? Who are you townreading more than Meg?

I noticed I phrased this wrong.

I meant that I townread other slots more than you aside from

Meg

.

[Taly]

Okay,

Nona

, who do you think should be in

Court

?

[Taly]

If

{Meg/Taly/Nona}

is the Palace and we MIRACULOUSLY don't auto-win OR have any of us swapped out

Who are you voting for the Devotee?

I need this shit in writing now.

[Taly]

*the bristling feathers on my back subsides slightly*

I want

Rat

and

Meg

to give input before anyone else joins

Palace

.

[Taly]

Well that's... less than ideal.
I wouldn't be too opposed to me and taly going there as is should be still winning, though I do hope nona realizes any chance she had of being voted there has gone down the drain.

If i had had to choose between rat or taly it would have been taly over rat anyway which I kept quiet for obvious reasons for the swap.

The other option is the same pairing as before but with court/palace swapped but im not nearly confident enough on that to really want to switch.

I’m fine with that so long as it’s understood, I’m voting one of you, Taly or myself, so if neither of you join me, all bets are off because I know I’m town and I’m also fine with either of you but no one else.

So iow, I’m fine voting you, I’m fine voting Taly and I’m fine voting myself, so if at least one of you, preferably both need to join me so that we can lock in which one of the three of us gets to be the vote.

So both of you are potentially risking possible scum joining me and if neither of you join me, I will self-vote,

Nona

, strong-arming your top two townreads isn't going to eliminate scum.

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I don't think anything I've said has been a contradiction but I do think your POV around joining the

Palace

has shifted in the last page.

[Taly]

It's fruitless to discuss this further now.

Rat

, what are you comfortable with?

I'll be honest, I don't think

{Meg/Nona/Taly)}

is an auto-win, if that hasn't already been taken out of the equation. [Under the reality

Drew/Nona

is SvS.]

So the focus is now more about

"Where does town mostly likely win at?"

Nona

, if you're town, I really want to re-evaluate your posts and what you're implying.

[Taly]

I'm giving a

very

small request here.

[Taly]

I'm good with joining

Palace

, but I don't townread

Nona

, and if she is town and actually believes her townreads with us, that shouldn't stop her from seeking consensus with us.

[Taly]

Meg

, you here?

I'm going to vote if you are here.

[Taly]

You've given

me

a hard time,

Nona

.

I wanted agency with a mutually agreed townbloc. You disrupted that, so of course I'm going to be weary about your intentions.

The more you play it off like I am ridiculous, the stronger my conviction grows.

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I'm good with joining

Palace

, but I don't townread

Nona

, and if she is town and actually believes her townreads with us, that shouldn't stop her from seeking consensus with us.

Option A: No swaps. Nona is scum we vote either me or you
Option B: Nona is swapped. We vote out either me or you
Option C: I am swapped. Nona if town will vote you and if she doesn't, you can vote the person swapped in
Option D You are swapped, Nona votes me if town and if not I vote the person swapped in.

So we win as long as we are both town.

I've mindmelded with you a lot so far, so I'm willing to take that leap.

VOTE: Palace

[Taly]

That was a harsh thing to say.

I'm logging off.

[Taly]

I'm good with joining

Palace

, but I don't townread

Nona

, and if she is town and actually believes her townreads with us, that shouldn't stop her from seeking consensus with us.

Have you literally not been reading my posts? Like it’s seriously ridiculous that I agreed to do what you asked and you’re still giving me a hard time. I’m voting Meg, I just decided.

And I never agreed to you being in

Palace

. You are misrepresenting me.

[Taly]

Ok activating site block for a few hours now.

[Taly]

It's poor form to leave game-centered arguments with frustration.

so have kitties instead

<3

[Taly]

(I'm not personally angry with you

Nona

, I just need a break. )

[Taly]

You're fine, apologies if I overstepped in any form as well.

I think even with the idea we are TvT, we have different playstyles.

[Taly]

Day 1 Count I

Court

- Radical Rat

Dungeon

- Doctor Drew

Palace

- Nona1510, Taly, MegAzumarill

Not Voting

- Elements, Bellaphant, Farren, Herta

Notes

• The combined mod ISO is here.
  
• STD here, if i missed anything please shoot me a PM

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2023-01-31 16:45:00).

war has happened today

drew

[Taly]

I very much recommend reading page 11-14.

[Taly]

I'll be on tmrw

Derealized Very strongly thos morning

[Taly]

VOTE: Taly

[Taly]

I want Elements and Noma to state their reservations, if any, to me being voted in Palace.

[Taly]

I want Elements and Noma to state their reservations, if any, to me being voted in Palace.

I will not give reads on either of you until you reply.

[Taly]

VOTE: Taly

Taly, opinions on the gamestate, please. Who do you think you were wrong on Rat or Meg?

I think either is possible.

[Taly]

I want Elements and Noma to state their reservations, if any, to me being voted in Palace.

I want to hear your takes on the rest of the game before I do anything. Because while I do think you’re probably town, Meg is encouraging me to vote you, so I need your opinion on Meg/Rat. I don’t know why you aren’t saying anything about that?

I'm hesitant because I'm still thinking, and I don't trust the intentions of anyone outside of Palace at the moment.

I will say, it's more likely you are town

Nona

, if scum thought they could win Palace. Our 1v1 made it pretty difficult to discern whether we'd interact in good faith. If we're T/T, scum want to propagate that narrative that you

aren't

a teamplayer with me.

And actually, that's more likely because scum probably TMI townread me, at least

Meg

or

Rat

did, and I would not be surprised if

Drew

did, too.

[Taly]

I know town will win if I take Palace, that's why I'm most confident in asserting this.

[Taly]

Rat

, who should be voted in Palace?

[Taly]

My thing with

Meg

is that he could be okay with a Palace loss.

But by play, I have more concerns with

Rat

.

[Taly]

Nah, I'm not sold on

Farren

-town or

Drew

-scum. I was just thinking about how

Farren's

only notable read was townreading me D1.

I do think

Herta

is most likely town there as of this moment.

My only true argument for you scum,

Nona

, is that you and

Rat

are partnered and that's why you were okay with going into the Palace instead of

Rat

, and scumreading him as well.

But I don't know if there's a clear relationship between your alignment and

Meg's

, I see an argument either way.

[Taly]

I'm not giving a take on

Elements

until they post.

[Taly]

Nona

, I meant

Meg

as scum, that post was me entertaining

Meg/Rat

as scum for a moment.

[Taly]

Rat

, who should be voted in Palace?

Ironically, probably Nona. I don't think she's faking not understanding things at this point, and while I would LIKE to trust you... I also trusted Meg and now I'm paranoid I was just completely wrong

Why does

Meg's

input influence my alignment? That we are partnered?

[Taly]

All I know is,

Meg

vying for me to win Palace services a town wincon. So resolving that, and getting flips would resolve a lot.

@Mod, when a vote is resolved, is everybody in that group flipped?

[Taly]

Nah, I'm not sold on

Farren

-town or

Drew

-scum. I was just thinking about how

Farren's

only notable read was townreading me D1.

I do think

Herta

is most likely town there as of this moment.

My only true argument for you scum,

Nona

, is that you and

Rat

are partnered and that's why you were okay with going into the Palace instead of

Rat

, and scumreading him as well.

But I don't know if there's a clear relationship between your alignment and

Meg's

, I see an argument either way.

Uh sorry, not really liking this. If I’m scum why does a switch even happen. So my paranoia is that if I’m wrong on you and Elements flips town, I will be miselimed. I still think you’re town but wrong but this does kind of give me bad feels. :/

Sorry :/ I'm genuinely confused whenever I think about the swap, I should probably write it down.

[Taly]

I wasn't saying you were scum

Nona

, I was giving a possibility.

[Taly]

To be honest, I think it's likelier that

Nona/Taly

-town.

[Taly]

this is starting to frustrate me

[Taly]

Nona

, I meant

Meg

as scum, that post was me entertaining

Meg/Rat

as scum for a moment.

How? Both are in court with Bella confitown? But why would Elements be switched into Palace then?

you arent understanding, i was positing different scenarios as

meg/rat

alignment, i know they are T/S

[Taly]

To be honest, I think it's likelier that

Nona/Taly

-town.

You think it’s unlikely we’re both town?

No, I am saying that I think it is likelier we are town... where did you see "unlikely"?

[Taly]

You're fine

Nona

Idk, I think the scum in

Meg/Rat

could very well be wanting us to TvT, with the idea we are both town.

[Taly]

Is it unfair to ask you to just vote me and we sort the other two after?

We can wait for mod to give us the answer on whether the 3 of us will flip first.

[Taly]

That's understandable.

[Taly]

Rat

, who should be voted in Palace?

Ironically, probably Nona. I don't think she's faking not understanding things at this point, and while I would LIKE to trust you... I also trusted Meg and now I'm paranoid I was just completely wrong

Rat

, who should be voted in Palace?

Ironically, probably Nona. I don't think she's faking not understanding things at this point, and while I would LIKE to trust you... I also trusted Meg and now I'm paranoid I was just completely wrong

Why does

Meg's

input influence my alignment? That we are partnered?

Maybe? It's more just a shaken confidence in my reads generally than any specific associatives.

Plus knowing that Meg is scum means knowing Mafia was never in any danger of being stuck together, which makes Nona and Farren's sudden switches look... Not good, but less bad than they did D1.

I don't get what you're arguing for here, even as a hypothetical.

You think

Nona

is the best choice but also think her vote to Palace was bad?

[Taly]

Assume Elements and I are scum:

Pre- Flip Locations
Court

Bella

,

Radicat Rat

,

Elements

Palace

MegAzumarill

,

Taly

,

Nona

Dungeon

Drew

,

Herta

,

Farren

[1 of which is scum, arbitrarily picking farren here but argument works no matter who pick]

Nona explicitly states and can be inferred to be telling the truth that she will vote for taly or me if given the chance.

The other two are mostly up in the air about who will be voted. (How would rat fare between elements and bella, how would herta stand between drew and farren, not explicitly clear.)

What is the best thing for scum to do in this situation?

The answer: Swap Taly with Herta or Doctor Drew.

Nona would vote for me or be hard pressed to be convinced otherwise, and mafia would likely win palace.

Taly in dungeon lowers the odds of mafia winning due to being townread, but could go either way with how she votes. No clear winner. This is true no matter who is scum in dungeon.

Likewise in court, a cleared Radical Rat would also be in a dilemma (where I would even say elements is more likely to get bella voted than the alternative). this is trending mafia win but up in the air.

--------------------------

However, that's not what happened. Instead of a foregone conclusion of a mafia win in palace, now it is of a town win (remember in this hypothetical elements is scum)

The other two areas are still up in the air. At best you can argue it's wifom to win court but.... thats still not a good answer. Trading a mafia win for a mafia win through wifom BY GIVING a town win makes 0 logical sense for scum to do. Even if this argument was taken as a guarentee of winning court because I could mention it, which it almost certainly wont, it still hurt mafia's win chances overall by a substantial margin.

Humor me, what does a

Meg/Nona

scumteam do?

[Taly]

ngl i thought we were all going into hoods and am disappointed to know that i still have to suffer solving 7 other slots and world-build MULTIPLE elos

[Taly]

I'm saying the main reason I thought Nona jumping into the Palace was scummy was because it looked like she was scum trying to make sure they were spread out in response to Meg's suggested grouping being a threat. I speculated on a Nona/Elements/Farren solve if you'll recall.

If Meg is scum, then that obviously can't be the case, and it would mean a hypothetical scum!Nona went out of her way to make sure scum WERE condensed. That doesn't make any sense to do

But by the time

Nona

had joined Palace, only

Drew

had confirmed a spot. I don't follow the argument you're making for

Meg

-scum here.

[Taly]

I want Palace resolved very soon,

Nona

.

I don't like end of game phases to drag.

[Taly]

And I want

Elements

to post before I

even consider

voting someone who isn't me.

[Taly]

I'm pretty bummed. I had the idea that there was some sort of consensus with the Palace's decision and I feel that that's been sucked up by

Rat V Meg

.

[Taly]

That's actually helpful

Herta

, thanks.

[Taly]

Rat

, who should be voted in Palace?

Ironically, probably Nona. I don't think she's faking not understanding things at this point,

and while I would LIKE to trust you... I also trusted Meg and now I'm paranoid I was just completely wrong

This

really

bothers me

Rat

, because the implication is that you think

Meg/I

are S/S and you aren't even discerning our interactions.

Your suspicion of me is understandable but the rationale feels cheap as fuck.

[Taly]

I'm not sold on

Meg

-town but I know my win in Palace is a town win, so

Meg/Herta/Drew

being in favor of that is ultimately pro-town regardless of their alignments.

[Taly]

Mod: When a vote is resolved, are flips showed, and also, are all 3 of those players treestumped or gone?

[Taly]

you know what, im fine with that.

i pulled my weight

[Taly]

<br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">I'm not sold on

Meg

-town but I know my win in Palace is a town win, so

Meg/Herta/Drew

being in favor of that is ultimately pro-town regardless of their alignments.<br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">

<br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">I know the same is true for me, so I don’t know why Rat trusting me makes them more likely to be scum? If Elements is scum here, then why is it scum indicative for Rat to prefer me? <br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">Like you’re not taking it into account that either one of us being voted likely brings the exact same outcome. Town won’t lose if I’m voted instead of you, so I guess my point is that since I know I’m town, why does that make you more suspicious of me when it’s probably the exact same outcome?

It doesn't make me more suspicious of you.

I just know my alignment as fact.

[Taly]

that's fair.

[Taly]

idk, maybe its just playstyle

i just think my greenflip is going to be more helpful for town than many more pages of me trying to gamesolve

pedit

wait a minute, there's an IC from Palace?

[Taly]

[*]You share a hideout with your comrades located here.
[*]During

Night 1

, with your comrades, you must switch the locations of 2 cadets such that each location contains exactly one

Insurrectionist

.
[*]During

Night 1

, with your comrades, you must also choose one cadet at the

Court

to be confirmed as a

Devotee

.[/list]

fuck i can really do better at reading...

seems like

Bella

is the only IC tho

but from how i see it, our townflips IS an IC in itself, just less powerful.

we give town factual information rather than pages of subjective gamesolve attempts

[Taly]

wait i quoted the wrong bit omg

[Taly]

Here are some additional rules.
During Day 2, all nine cadets still share the thread and submit their votes there.
All 3 activities are played in the same thread but cadets may only vote for their own activity.
After majority is reached in a activity, that activity is immediately resolved, and all cadets involved are flipped.
Once a cadet's activity is resolved, that cadet may no longer post in the thread, with the exception of the cadet who was confirmed to be a Devotee at the Court.

[Taly]

my fear with dragging out the activities or aligning their deadlines together gives scum more ability to coordinate decisions and weakens the nature of town's control on the thread.

but maybe scum isnt that high level this game?

idk, not my style of play.

[Taly]

And even if you're worried

Nona

, we can turn this into a broad game decision.

PALACE
Taly: Taly, Meg*, Herta*, Drew*
Nona: Rat*
Elements:

Everyone can quote their name next to the player that should be voted for, like a VC.

* is implied, not confirmed

[Taly]

I'm not saying we end Palace RIGHT NOW,

Nona

, but perhaps in a day or two, maximum.

pedit

<br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">idk, maybe its just playstyle<br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">i just think my greenflip is going to be more helpful for town than many more pages of me trying to gamesolve<br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">pedit<br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">wait a minute, there's an IC from Palace?<br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">

<br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);"><br style="color: rgb(204, 204, 204);">I honestly don’t think it matters because I think it’s probably Elements anyway and I don’t think anyone is expecting anything different. Like it has to be because Elements would have for sure been limmed over both Rat and Bella, so maybe they thought I dunno? But I think if Elements were town, they probably would have been confirmed.

What do you want to do before flipping?

[Taly]

OK, I'll be patient for a time.

I must sleep, goodnight

[Taly]

VOTE: elements
Do none of y'all read the setup?
Why didn't the other two of you in the palace not just snap vote yourself?

Isn't that exactly what I did scum?

[Taly]

Absolutely abysmal post if you're town

Elements

[Taly]

Fuck I was giving you the benefit of the doubt and you both fail to read the thread and use that as an attempt to elevate yourself.

[Taly]

Also maybe YOU failed to understand the setup but we need a consensus here.

[Taly]

VOTE: Taly

[Taly]

Am i a lala land wtf

[Taly]

Cue the Taly suspicion

[Taly]

Herta how do I maintain patience

[Taly]

ehhh, maybe slow rolling is useful

ill do ISO groups later

in terms of opening and current day posts,

Nona >>> Elements

[Taly]

Elements

is scum and likely just conceded.

[Taly]

Rat

, who should be voted in Palace?

Ironically, probably Nona. I don't think she's faking not understanding things at this point,

and while I would LIKE to trust you... I also trusted Meg and now I'm paranoid I was just completely wrong

This

really

bothers me

Rat

, because the implication is that you think

Meg/I

are S/S and you aren't even discerning our interactions.

Your suspicion of me is understandable but the rationale feels cheap as fuck.

I mean, it doesn't help that Meg's picked you as the preferred Palace vote, but also there's like. A billion layers of WIFOM here. Does Meg support their partner and risk looking aligned? Does Meg support Town to make themself look better? Does Meg support Town to frame them after their own flip?

This setup in general is just a massive winery, and I don't really know how to penetrate it tbh

Taly what do you think? Uninformed and paranoid or trying to help out their buddy Elements here?

If he were intending to aid Elements it was a poor attempt as he posited your win in Palace.

But uninformed? I doubt. The confusion feels overstated and not in proportion to the intent to gamesolve aside from trading Meg post for post.