Mystery Mafia 2- Game Over! But who won!?

[Surye]

I mean you keep pushing it, but you don't seem to want to try and back it up...

I don't have anything other than my results to back it up with. Do you see any other options for me than to apply pressure to you?

In converted him to Mason, so really I dragged him into it. He just claimed first. A fake claim is often met with these kind of inconsistancies, this is why we make people claim.

I think we need to lynch Korts. This is text book fakeclaim justifications.

If you are scum, it's Korlash who dragged you into it. Obviously you'd stick to your story once you made it. Also, how is sticking to the one story that fits "textbook fakeclaim justification"?

Your investigations don't line up with reality, so you try and justify it with wild stories.

[Korts]

I'm not trying to say they were done by the same person... simply that BM's modding style of "?" are proven to be tagged to player kills. So I think it is possible K7 was player killed, not timer killed.

Fair enough. On the other hand, the kill MO was natural causes. That implies timer to me.

[Korts]

Your investigations don't line up with reality, so you try and justify it with wild stories.

Take a moment to actually

think

. What motivation, for fuckssake, would I have to claim a guilty on Lawrence

after

he turned GF?

[elvis_knits]

If Korlash dreamed up this masonizer claim with surye and dead mason FL, then it's pretty awesome and I wouldn't be mad losing to that awesomeness. I'm willing to believe it, or lose on the chance I'm wrong.

Can I quote you on this? Having my name associated with Awesomeness doesnt happen every day...

It's only awesome if you're lying... are you?

[elvis_knits]

Your investigations don't line up with reality, so you try and justify it with wild stories.

Take a moment to actually

think

. What motivation, for fuckssake, would I have to claim a guilty on Lawrence

after

he turned GF?

This makes me think to lynch landlord.

[Surye]

Your investigations don't line up with reality, so you try and justify it with wild stories.

Take a moment to actually

think

. What motivation, for fuckssake, would I have to claim a guilty on Lawrence

after

he turned GF?

No need to get angry. To add believability. Easy.

[Korlash]

Do any of the scum names match up? I don't know how you can predict anything from all the different scum names we have.

I'm not trying to predict anything, simply tryng to look at all possibilities. I mean with all the scum names, do you think we have multiple scum groups? I would assume so.

Do you think "american mafia" and "Italin mafia" are on the same side? it's possible, but it's also possible they aren't.

For all I know it's all one big mafia familly, which is why I have thrown it out there so we can discuss it.

In my opinion... I think we may be looking at two mafia groups.

Group1: "Mankind" mafia... Goons, godfather, bookie... they could compose one group.

Group 2: "Monster" mafia. Screwball, distorter, bomb, and tornado.

I could group them differently as well. The bomb could be in the "human group" for instance.

If this is the case I think we have one mafia left. Making it two groups of 4.

However... we could have multiple groups.

1: Human + monster: Screwball and goon
2: Human + monster: Bomb + goon
3 American mafia: American bookie + Tornado
4: italian: Italian GF + Unknown

This just doesnt seem balanced though. For starters the bomb would have to sac himself, thus hurting his side. He does take out 3 town though... so it could be possible. Also the sides with 2 powers are stronger then the ones with 2.

So I find this unlikely.

Another scenario is 3 groups of 3.

Screwball + Bomb + goon
GF+ goon + Tornao
Bookie + 2 unkown

Or any combination of them you want to group together. In this case we have 2 mafia left. And theydon't have to be on the same team either.

I think, when i really think abotu it that is, the first situation is the most likely. But i wouldn't put it past BM for one of the other's to be closer to the truth...

[Korlash]

Wait... I forgot a mafia in there somewhere.... Damn all that work for nothing... stupid Korlash... They don't add up as 4 groups or 2 groups. (Counted the goons as one and then forgot distorter) so if it is two groups or four groups then we have 2 mafia left... If it is 3 groups we only have one...

Are you lot as confused as I am yet?

[elvis_knits]

YES!

[Korlash]

I don't have anything other than my results to back it up with. Do you see any other options for me than to apply pressure to you?

You could speculate with me. As Pachino said in 88 min, you don't have to be right as long as you are convinsing... so get convinsing...

Fair enough. On the other hand, the kill MO was natural causes. That implies timer to me.

actually itt was "Natural causes?" Which implies it only looked like natural causes... which implies (to me) poison.

It's only awesome if you're lying... are you?

No... *cries* you got my hopes up and everything... I just want to be awesome...

[Korts]

Your investigations don't line up with reality, so you try and justify it with wild stories.

Take a moment to actually

think

. What motivation, for fuckssake, would I have to claim a guilty on Lawrence

after

he turned GF?

No need to get angry. To add believability. Easy.

arg. I lol'd, after I'd nearly had a stroke.

unvote, vote: Landlord

There. I can compromise.

[Surye]

I'm not. Korts' claim is in direct contradiction to Korlash and my role, with no explaination. All it comes down to is elvis seeing and believing this.

It's that's simple.

[Korts]

You could speculate with me. As Pachino said in 88 min, you don't have to be right as long as you are convinsing... so get convinsing...

I don't see how "Korlash and Surye faking a masonship by necroing forbiddan" isn't speculation enough.

[Korts]

I'm not. Korts' claim is in direct contradiction to Korlash and my role, with no explaination. All it comes down to is elvis seeing and believing this.

It's that's simple.

Yeah. And your claim is in direct contradiction to

my

results and what I deduced from the result on Lawrence.

[elvis_knits]

Ok, so the problem is that Korts says he has an innocent on korlash which really means korlash is scum because korts has to be insane... amirite?

But I don't buy koorlash-surye as scum because of the claim. So korts gotta be lying about his investigation, whic makes him scum.

Am I missing something?

[Korts]

BTW I'm enjoying the awesome clusterfuck of simul-posting this game's experiencing

[Surye]

Ok, so the problem is that Korts says he has an innocent on korlash which really means korlash is scum because korts has to be insane... amirite?

But I don't buy koorlash-surye as scum because of the claim. So korts gotta be lying about his investigation, whic makes him scum.

Am I missing something?

Not a thing.

[Korts]

No, you've got it pretty much down, elvis.

[elvis_knits]

Should I drunk-hammer?

[Surye]

Should I drunk-hammer?

Haha, I've caught scum more then once that way

[Korts]

Do you feel you'll change your opinion when you sober up?

[Korlash]

I don't see how "Korlash and Surye faking a masonship by necroing forbiddan" isn't speculation enough.

First you call it the only explanation of your role, now you call it speculation... In my experience if you KNOW something, it isn't speculation... just saying...

BTW I'm enjoying the awesome clusterfuck of simul-posting this game's experiencing

Me too! <3 best time I've had on MS in a long time...

[elvis_knits]

Do you feel you'll change your opinion when you sober up?

No. That's why I was talking myself through it. Korts investigation would mean that Korlash and surye are scum. I believe the claim, so I don't think they're scum. Also, if they're both scum then this is lylo and korlash could have quicklynched korts this afternoon when me and surye were voting korts. Iceman/landlord tried to hammer, but korlash did not. No reason for him not to if he's scum.

vote korts

(You don't know how much I am confusing the two K-names in my drunkenness... I've had to keep re-checking who is who...)

[Korts]

I'll owe you a "told you so" after the reveal, just sayin'

Still, enjoyed the hopeless argument

Nighty night

[Surye]

Do you feel you'll change your opinion when you sober up?

No. That's why I was talking myself through it. Korts investigation would mean that Korlash and surye are scum. I believe the claim, so I don't think they're scum. Also, if they're both scum then this is lylo and korlash could have quicklynched korts this afternoon when me and surye were voting korts. Iceman/landlord tried to hammer, but korlash did not. No reason for him not to if he's scum.

vote korts

(You don't know how much I am confusing the two K-names in my drunkenness... I've had to keep re-checking who is who...)

Excellent catch for a drunk girl