Open 873: PYP: Anime Music & Memes - Game Over!

[unwnd]

I think there is truth to what peta says about worldviews is likely healthy. There's a lot of unknown variables I don't have the answers to. Zeroing in on a team feels like working backwards. I think Peta is..alright. I don't townread him but he's not doing anything pointedly scummy. There are some contradictions, but they don't feel worth delving into. The only point against him is that he

could

have ulterior motive but it requires me to squint in order to see it. Some nitpicks I have with him were how he's handled marci and he merely responded he doesn't care if I scumread him for it. OK. I think he knows he can make that statement as town as much as scum. That's frustrating to admit but hey.

LLD to me either 1) Dies by night or 2) Gets cleared. If neither happens and LLD is alive somewhere close to a XYLO you hit the big red button and sound the alarms.

Ceph is weird. I think his timing is uncanny and imo that's what he excels at as scum. Yet with the other two, there is nothing provable. That's why they don't get eliminated today because nobody here is willing to risk a potshot theory.

[notscience]

I am no longer scumreading ceph for the record was just referencing something I noticed that kinda went with that thought you had

[unwnd]

Just for clarification, I'm not willing either. I'm entertaining these thoughts. I can't make everyone agree with my approach to the game but I strongly believe that hypothetical is useful. It's informed vs uninformed. Scum either have to fake hypothetical or keep trying to play their role. I want to see more chances taken in that regard, so I can stop feeling like some people are well, just playing their role.

[notscience]

Like my list of people I don’t want to vote looks like-
Marci
You
Bell
Luke
Taly
———————
Ceph
Ydra for some reason
GreyIce because I do agree with LLDs points and think the only person he would be scum with is her
———————

The rest are all down here in a big murky pool.

[unwnd]

Other unknown variables

1) Ydra's attitude this phase
2) What happened with StD earlier
3) Dunnstral being surprisingly candid
4) Taly promises that come up short
5) GreyICE

Game is hard. Too many variables.

KT/Marci are approachable from a D1 standpoint and I expect by-the-book to rule in this environment

You're not gonna see anything left-field

[notscience]

Between the two I’m much more comfortable eliminating KT.

What are your thoughts on my point about scum greyice only really existing in a scum LLD world?

I also don’t think Dunn being candid is super out of left field, we’ve played how many games with him by now? He was pretty candid after taking over your slot in tenet and I think he engages more when things are interesting

Taly I still think is likely just town.

If we want outside of that pool of two we’re going to have to step on some toes dude

[unwnd]

Between the two I’m much more comfortable eliminating KT.

What are your thoughts on my point about scum greyice only really existing in a scum LLD world?

I also don’t think Dunn being candid is super out of left field, we’ve played how many games with him by now? He was pretty candid after taking over your slot in tenet and I think he engages more when things are interesting

Taly I still think is likely just town.

If we want outside of that pool of two we’re going to have to step on some toes dude

I think GI/LLD team would be comical and I don't want to laugh

[unwnd]

I don't think a lim outside of KT/Marci happens

Give KT a bit of grace and see what Marci does on her own

I don't really think playing to deadline is always efficient but sometimes it just happens. It will be nice to have some night results to stew about

[notscience]

I mean I suppose we’ll see. I’m waiting for Luke to make his return because I want to rack his brain some on all of this.

[Dunnstral]

3) Dunnstral being surprisingly candid

As opposed to what

[Bell]

Existing while Dunnstral.

[Bell]

It'd be funny if Unwnd was scum but I was being paranoid of Notty instead.
They just seem more genuine and focused tho.

[petapan]

So is she obnoxiously obvious scum and you think I'm an idiot or

She's just scum because she's doing scum behavior iyo

the latter

I can't ask you to give me a worldview

But I can ask you for other people you are scumreading

taly

don't think i have another that's really strong atp i think fenrir is an unsubstantiated gut read that could be totally wrong

[petapan]

If you were scum you would care if he scum read you right

if this is @ me then yeah lol, i'm probably too sensitive to that but it's not something most people pick up on

i'm not getting flipped today and so don't care to answer to him demanding i prove myself town based on a flight of fancy, i'll discuss reads on anyone for the sake of discussion though.

[petapan]

I’m open to other options.

Peta, for instance, is on the table for me.

I'm interested in this thought btw

You know who’s REALLY trying to make sure they don’t lose the marci elim?

I feel like this is another example of peta saying something he’s trying to do lol

Like getting me out of the marci tunnel then deciding she’s scum and shoving it to try and get me back in it

that is not the sequence of events as it happened

what happened was i

tried

to get you out of the tunnel, you rejected that and asked me to try to make a convincing case, on reread of her iso i began to doubt myself because i felt like her tone was off compared to the town games and also i had issues with some of the things she said that seemed odd to me

i asked her questions about these things and tried to chase her down over 2 days to get a straight answer to these. during this time she would show up in thread to make some cheeky comments while pointedly ignoring me asking her questions about her reads. when i finally got her to answer, she answered one question i asked about her townread of kingtroll (that she has since gone back on), with an answer i found wholly inadequate

during this same time period a bunch of people decided "oh she's town tried harder in the scumgames" and backed off and are going for kingtroll because no one wants to vote out someone who'd be mad at them for being wrong



but even process-wise if the narrative chain of events was the way you said it was - what the FUCK am i doing here as scum??? i'm fighting hard against the marci elim in the first place only to 180 after people are convinced? literally making my life as hard as possible? like how does that make any rational sense as scumplay? also the idea that apparently i'm so trapped that i have to aggressively pursue the elimination of the slot with the top pick, a slot people are naturally going to be resistan to eliminate?? like what is the implication here, that as scum i'm unable to pursue another target?? i'm trying really hard to save

kingtroll

, a player who is barely playing the game?


i dunno dude i think you're making a basic logical fallacy here where you see aggressive play and call it scummy without any actual logical connection to why having that strong read makes me scum

[petapan]

Also I regard peta pretty highly and he’s made multiple attempts to try and discredit his own reads this game

i win approximately 40% of my games as town, i could name multiple games where i ran it up mid for almost everyone in this list i've played with


i'm probably wrong as shit on almost everything!


but again why does this make me scum lol

[marcistar]

Like my list of people I don’t want to vote looks like-
Marci
You
Bell
Luke
Taly
———————
Ceph
Ydra for some reason
GreyIce because I do agree with LLDs points and think the only person he would be scum with is her
———————

The rest are all down here in a big murky pool.

why is bell on the list bestie

[notscience]

I see peta walls at me but I’m at the gym so I’ll get to them later

@marci-

adorable bell is town bell

Bell has a certain level of chutzpah as town he can’t replicate as scum and actively feels like he hates his life the entire time and I feel like he doesn’t hate his life here!

[notscience]

Also I don’t think scum bell gets nearly as annoyed with my antics as town bell

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

vote count 1.14

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-02-08 01:31:56).

yeet

KingTroll[7]:

Bell, marcistar, Cephrir, unwnd, Lady Lambdadelta, notscience, Ydrasse,

Save The Dragons[2]:

Lukewarm, Dunnstral,

Dunnstral[2]:

GreyICE, Save The Dragons,

marcistar[1]:

petapan,

Not Voting [2]:

KingTroll, Taly,

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[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think there is truth to what peta says about worldviews is likely healthy. There's a lot of unknown variables I don't have the answers to. Zeroing in on a team feels like working backwards. I think Peta is..alright. I don't townread him but he's not doing anything pointedly scummy. There are some contradictions, but they don't feel worth delving into. The only point against him is that he

could

have ulterior motive but it requires me to squint in order to see it. Some nitpicks I have with him were how he's handled marci and he merely responded he doesn't care if I scumread him for it. OK. I think he knows he can make that statement as town as much as scum. That's frustrating to admit but hey.

LLD to me either 1) Dies by night or 2) Gets cleared. If neither happens and LLD is alive somewhere close to a XYLO you hit the big red button and sound the alarms.

Ceph is weird. I think his timing is uncanny and imo that's what he excels at as scum. Yet with the other two, there is nothing provable. That's why they don't get eliminated today because nobody here is willing to risk a potshot theory.

I feel like I'm being burdened by this proficiency. Ahahah.

I live to ELO as town all the time! I don't know what you mean! (this is an actually true statement, but I also understand why people get paranoid)

[Bell]

Bell come be my canary and tell me if I’m crazy

You're scum. koo
koo

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Bell come be my canary and tell me if I’m crazy

You're scum. koo
koo

Sharp Note

[Cephrir]

What kept you so threadafk KT? I was starting to think your slanking was the equivalence of being frozen

It was mostly my real life tasks getting compounded and my brain being unable to focus on anything other than a clicker game in my spare time. Not much of an excuse for the pitiful amount of content (read: none) I produced after a certain point here, but it's the truth!

(I have played

exceptionally

poorly this game so far so now it's time for me to try to salvage what I can of my reputation before everyone thinks this is how I constantly play-)

Hello, Dunnstral! Do you have any sparknotes or specific topics you'd like me to put forth a solid opinion or read on?

Also, I have seen that there's the [4 people we're confident would be a waste of a track] going on, I will get to that. Soon, I think.

What I really want to know is who you think we should eliminate today, and who you don't think we should eliminate today

That's fair! Let me settle myself in more with some lighter posts and then I'm going to point my finger very strongly at someone.

(Crickets)

[Bell]

Maybe KT is a Bork alt.