Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

[VP Baltar]

Spoiler:

This one likes Red and Klick more than before and feels they might have been right on them? The one called Alisae also seems really really nice and concerned with getting things going so they're good! And Lycan of the Fire, somehow, just feels wholesome? Would like to see their red glory more though, as they and Klick share a hut!

This one is not at all certain if it's voting soon. It wants to vote Baltar, but only because they were mean. Being mean doesn't mean they're traitorous yet, in this one's mind, but it would sure be nice if they are because they were mean!

This one doesn't suspect anyone else enough to vote them, now.

This one likes Red and Klick more than before and feels they might have been right on them? The one called Alisae also seems really really nice and concerned with getting things going so they're good! And Lycan of the Fire, somehow, just feels wholesome? Would like to see their red glory more though, as they and Klick share a hut!

This one is not at all certain if it's voting soon. It wants to vote Baltar, but only because they were mean. Being mean doesn't mean they're traitorous yet, in this one's mind, but it would sure be nice if they are because they were mean!

This one doesn't suspect anyone else enough to vote them, now.

Do you plan to vote someone at some point here at the very least?

This one votes when it votes Baltar.

This one votes when it votes Baltar.

Why are you being tentative?

This is the second time you've talked about voting me and haven't done it.

i feel like there's a nonzero chance asri and baltar are scum together

Peta cannot be town with this logic. Flip asri

[VP Baltar]

i think one of cakez/lycan being scum is a decent shout

Can you tell me why you feel this way? Were you sussing either of them before the hood came out?

klick looks town and there's probably a mafia in the neighborhood

I mean maybe, but I guess I have been burned by that before. You will to clear the whole hood if we miss?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I think SirCakes is so far in his scum meta that he should be a slam dunk lim candidate today. I recognize I can be somewhat biased in this regard so I would appreciate if someone can reality check me and take a look at some of the meta-checks I've been reviewing to see if I'm simply confbiased on his slot.

These are the six games I skimmed - some of them I am already familiar with but I opened them up again to refresh my memory about what his scum game looks like:

Town Games:
Open 870
Open 866
Micro 1062
Mini 2260

Mafia Games:
Dance Party
Eurybia’s Curse


If you open up these isos, I suggest you have town on one side and mafia on the other side so you can see there are some marked differences between how he plays as town and how he plays as mafia.

When he is mafia he tends to use declarative statements far more and paint in broad sweeps - the reads come much faster because he's just making shit up. When he's town he goes read by read and you can actually see how he develops them one at a time from moments in time. Also excessive confidence is something that is present in his scum games but not in his town games - his town thought process involves nuance and he's not nearly as certain of things that he is saying.

It's not lock, but excessive confidence does seem to be scum indicative for him. I think his read on BBT in this towngame is the only thing I see that also hits similar overconfident notes. On a superficial level, it'd make more sense for him to be more cautious after misreading you in White Flag instead of growing more confident like he is here, but come to think of it, I don't know if Cakez is actually aware of the results of White Flag

[VP Baltar]

Spoiler:

This one likes Red and Klick more than before and feels they might have been right on them? The one called Alisae also seems really really nice and concerned with getting things going so they're good! And Lycan of the Fire, somehow, just feels wholesome? Would like to see their red glory more though, as they and Klick share a hut!

This one is not at all certain if it's voting soon. It wants to vote Baltar, but only because they were mean. Being mean doesn't mean they're traitorous yet, in this one's mind, but it would sure be nice if they are because they were mean!

This one doesn't suspect anyone else enough to vote them, now.

This one likes Red and Klick more than before and feels they might have been right on them? The one called Alisae also seems really really nice and concerned with getting things going so they're good! And Lycan of the Fire, somehow, just feels wholesome? Would like to see their red glory more though, as they and Klick share a hut!

This one is not at all certain if it's voting soon. It wants to vote Baltar, but only because they were mean. Being mean doesn't mean they're traitorous yet, in this one's mind, but it would sure be nice if they are because they were mean!

This one doesn't suspect anyone else enough to vote them, now.

Do you plan to vote someone at some point here at the very least?

This one votes when it votes Baltar.

This one votes when it votes Baltar.

Why are you being tentative?

This is the second time you've talked about voting me and haven't done it.

i feel like there's a nonzero chance asri and baltar are scum together

Peta cannot be town with this logic. Flip asri

For those who need it spelled out, this is a botched chainsaw/distancing combo. Would lim peta if people prefer

[redFF]

i think one of cakez/lycan being scum is a decent shout

Can you tell me why you feel this way? Were you sussing either of them before the hood came out?

klick looks town and there's probably a mafia in the neighborhood

I mean maybe, but I guess I have been burned by that before. You will to clear the whole hood if we miss?

eh i dunno, after what alisae and aristeia said about it

[VP Baltar]

This one votes when it votes Baltar.

The fact that peta is using this as evidence when it was a punctuation error by asri shows he is not actually making arguments in good faith here.

[VP Baltar]

It also makes sense now why peta could not understand why his original argument against me was nonsense

[Mistyx]

Is this basically why you think scum are pushing Lycanfire/Cakez?

i just think theyre the easiest people to push rn

though ig that makes ari probably town if thats true

mm

[Mistyx]

idk ill be back tomorrow

dont think i have anything useful to contribute tonight but ill keep trying

[Klick]

I'd really like him to explain why he's townreading Cakez though.

I've had thoughts on this since last night but I went to sleep instead of responding.

Basically, I think my Cakez townread was poor. Early in Cakez's posting I thought his forwardness and willingness to bring a lot of opinions to the table was towny. I think this was biased somewhat by comparing him to Lycanfire in my head and thinking, 'well Cakez is being pretty free with his reads and Lycan isn't doing anything so if there's a scum between them it's more likely to be Lycan.' Which isn't a well-thought-out point.
In my last reads list I brought Cakez down a bit because I kinda realised this but still wanted to give credit to my initial gut ping.

I think ultimately I townread what you are scumreading. I ISO'd Cakez late last night and felt pretty similarly to you, that what he was doing could pretty easily be scum projecting false confidence. I don't feel strongly about it but with you saying it's his scum meta I kinda want to sheep you on it.

[Klick]

VOTE: SirCakez

[Klick]

In general I kinda want to kill either of my neighbours as two really high scum equity slots

[furtiveglance]

The group consensus has all but lost me now.

VOTE: Asri Teroka

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: cakez

[Asri Teroka]

Spoiler:

This one likes Red and Klick more than before and feels they might have been right on them? The one called Alisae also seems really really nice and concerned with getting things going so they're good! And Lycan of the Fire, somehow, just feels wholesome? Would like to see their red glory more though, as they and Klick share a hut!

This one is not at all certain if it's voting soon. It wants to vote Baltar, but only because they were mean. Being mean doesn't mean they're traitorous yet, in this one's mind, but it would sure be nice if they are because they were mean!

This one doesn't suspect anyone else enough to vote them, now.

This one likes Red and Klick more than before and feels they might have been right on them? The one called Alisae also seems really really nice and concerned with getting things going so they're good! And Lycan of the Fire, somehow, just feels wholesome? Would like to see their red glory more though, as they and Klick share a hut!

This one is not at all certain if it's voting soon. It wants to vote Baltar, but only because they were mean. Being mean doesn't mean they're traitorous yet, in this one's mind, but it would sure be nice if they are because they were mean!

This one doesn't suspect anyone else enough to vote them, now.

Do you plan to vote someone at some point here at the very least?

This one votes when it votes Baltar.

This one votes when it votes Baltar.

Why are you being tentative?

This is the second time you've talked about voting me and haven't done it.

i feel like there's a nonzero chance asri and baltar are scum together

Peta cannot be town with this logic. Flip asri

This one isn't sure about Peta of the Pan. This one is very sure that you, Baltar, has been focused on this one too much and for very bad reasons.

[Asri Teroka]

This one didn't like the way Sir of the Cakez spoke after Klick and Lycan admitted to being in contact with them. Consider this one willing to vote Sir of the Cakez, but as thi one doesn't know the exact vote tally right now and is busy, this one is merely stating intent.

[Asri Teroka]

The group consensus has all but lost me now.

VOTE: Asri Teroka

This one needs to know why. This one sure hopes mean Baltar's continued attempt to kill this one isn't part of the reason?

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: petapan

[Asri Teroka]

This one has gone to study the vote tally in the kingdom's archives. It is content.

VOTE: SirCakez

This one felt you were very weird, and that is the only reason for this vote. What Aristeia said did somewhat prompt this one in truth, and the one who Klicks voting you also makes this one feel good. It is Cat Scratch of the Fever's vote that this one finds most interesting. This one believes they are responding to the Furtive One and Baltar, but might be wrong.

[furtiveglance]

Either I'm wrong and bad or this Kingdom is

[Asri Teroka]

VOTE: petapan

Now this one is very intrigued. Why, oh Furtive One, is mean old Baltar to be trusted here?

[furtiveglance]

I think my scumread on petapan predates Baltar's

[furtiveglance]

but yeah the vote on you was linked to Baltar's

[Asri Teroka]

Ah, this one sees Cat Scratch of the Fever has indeed expanded upon SirCakez. This one would really like Sir of the Cakez to address the others voting him, not this one though, as this one hates to be hasty and wrong. Therefore this one is very willing to go back to voting no one, and hopes Sir can show this one that such is the right thing to do.

[Asri Teroka]

but yeah the vote on you was linked to Baltar's

This one doesn't like that.