i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And if anything our role is proven by my existence. We aren't fake claiming.

[Not_Mafia]

I'm a naive cop

No other restrictions? Who did you target last night?

I received something last night, I'm guessing that nobody alive is claiming to be responsible for that? It wasn't what I would expect to receive if KittyTacky had vended to me.

I haven't targetted anyone at any point in the game

[Summon The Phoenix]

Prince can you explain?

-Summon

[Prince of Paterson]

I'm a naive cop

No other restrictions? Who did you target last night?

I received something last night, I'm guessing that nobody alive is claiming to be responsible for that? It wasn't what I would expect to receive if KittyTacky had vended to me.

I haven't targetted anyone at any point in the game

Didn't understand the role until I looked it up, I see, that makes sense.

[Prince of Paterson]

And if anything our role is proven by my existence. We aren't fake claiming.

While that aspect of your role is certainly true, it doesn't prove that is the only part of your role.

I'd like to hear if KittyTacky targeted me last night.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And if anything our role is proven by my existence. We aren't fake claiming.

While that aspect of your role is certainly true, it doesn't prove that is the only part of your role.

I'd like to hear if KittyTacky targeted me last night.

I mean yes but look at all the power that has flipped and consider how powerful a just a recruiter is.

Anyway, what did you get sent?

[KittyTacky]

Multitasking what precisely. They are a vendor with a one shot. They can multi task ONCE. Why give them that modifyer?

I can vend a fruit or a vegetable depending on the day evenness BUT in addition to that I can also give out meat at any time, but once. What's why multitasking.

If I was an activated doublevoter I'd have claimed it.

[KittyTacky]

I sent to Titus again like asked but they died.

[Prince of Paterson]

How I got this is unclear, and the reliability of it is also unclear. Last night I received a message which had two parts, each one word. The first was "usurper", and the second was "furtiveglance".

It was presented to me as a message that was sent to me. There's a few possibilities I have in mind.

1) It was sent to me by scum who is alive, somehow. In this case it would be meant to mislead.

2) It was sent by someone who is dead. The two possibilities that I can think of are Quiet Owl (one of his redacted jack of all trades powers may have been some sort of communication while dead), or biancospino, whose role was unclear but apparently he had something that triggered on his death. In both of these cases it's unknown how reliable the message is. It may be a personal opinion, it may be a result of some kind, I don't know.

You know all I do now. I asked Phoenix about their role earlier because I was interested to see if they would alter their claim based on the pressure of unknown information.

Usurper (I had to look it up) is an anti-town third party role, where the win condition is to remain alive while killing the mafia godfather. It could likely have variation to it, but that's the basic concept. Furtiveglance did push hard for killing McMenno, which was the main reason I thought he was unaligned with the mafia team. If he is in fact an usurper, I believe the phase ??? was a result of something he did, which came along with summoning the hydra.

The odd thing is that Ranger, a mafia, was still alive, so it's not as if he just was able to kill the rest of the mafia team and usurp their position.

Basically, I don't know, I don't really have a conclusion. I don't have a lot of hope that sharing this information will actually get us much of anywhere since I'm not confident that there's anyone I can trust to be town that I can talk to about it, but here we are.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am pretty sure this is scum trying to frame us to save themselves Prince.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But also there are 0 roles that could have sent this to you.

All dead players are flipped and no role shows this.

And if a living player sent this to you they would be scum for lying about their role.

And we would never frame ourselves.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So in my mind one of three things is happening

1) one of kitty (who has multiacying things they can send) or NM (who is claiming no action) sent you this to frame us in LYLO.

2) Ranger has some kind of scum factional ability that lets them send info.

3) You are faking this and you are the last scum Prince

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Truthfully the fact that there is no townie ability claimed or dead that could send a message like this means it is 100% from scum (whether you are faking it or it was really sent).

Which means I'm confirmed town. This is a huge blunder by scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like they tried to do some kind of move but actually confirmed town cleared us by doing this. There is no role in the game that could have sent that to you unless someone is lying scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I encourage someone to make an argument how this comes from anything but scum trying to frame an obvious townie and if you make even a lick of logical sense I'll accept it but

There is no action or role that could have performed this!

Titus trusted us with this game so I'm going to win this for town.

[Prince of Paterson]

You're right that we don't know of a role that could have sent it, but there are the two I pointed out that I think are possible. Quiet Owl is clearly possible. Biancospino might be a stretch, but we don't know what his role did, only that something happened after his death. It's a bastard game, I don't want to take anything for granted. Some role may have a hidden aspect to it.

I'm not taking it at face value by any means but I'm also not going to ignore the possibility that it's true. The ??? phase, and the fact that the announcement of your joining came slightly

after

the rest of the night 3 actions (only by a few minutes, but still), is still concerning to me. I also didn't townread furtive aside from his push on McMenno, which... if his goal is to kill the godfather, that push makes sense.

If you're town I hope you can see how it's something that I would want to consider carefully.

I'll admit another thought occurred to me which I debated whether I should say, because to be fully transparent, it feels like something scum in my position would say. But I'll say it anyway. The message did only say furtiveglance, not the slot as it's currently named. Would it be ridiculous to consider a mechanic in a bastard game where the person recruited to join the hydra is given a different role PM than the original holder of the slot?

[Prince of Paterson]

Despite laying all my cards and thoughts on the table, I don't really feel better. I prefer to observe, and I usually find that when I put myself in the middle of things, my ability to understand the game decreases. In this case it was unavoidable, but I don't feel good about the likelihood of coming to the right answer.

[Summon The Phoenix]

Firstly, if you made up that whole thing then I'll be vey shocked. And as the only possibility as I see it is that you were sent that message by a remaining scum, I'm willing to townclear you for it. I think in the event there are 2 scum remaining and you're one of them, you probably don't share it like that.

As for the possibilities, the only thing that makes sense is an unflipped ability which no one is claiming (therefore scum). Quiet Owl was clear in his claim that he had night actions, and died in the day (before he would have got to use a N4 action). Biancospino's death was surely too long ago for the message to be delayed. Besides, the way they spoke about their role, I don't think this is the kind of effect that they had.

So, that leaves either KT as some kind of scum Vendor which includes messages, or NM as a scum with this ability. I don't think you're lying, just for the sheer creativity.

-Summon

[Summon The Phoenix]

As for my push on McMenno, I thought they were one of the most consistently scummy players in the game. They weren't the only Mafia I pushed - also MathBlade quite early on, and Ranger became increasingly suspicious on D4.

-Summon

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Quiet Owl died DAY 4. With a FLIPPED ROLE.

Not possible.

Neither is Blanco.

Once again we remain confirmed town.

[Summon The Phoenix]

Quiet Owl died DAY 4. With a FLIPPED ROLE.

Not possible.

Neither is Blanco.

Once again we remain confirmed town.

I'm not sure we're confirmed town. We're confirmed to have our role, and we're confirmed to be the target of a scum ploy (either by a scum messager or Prince lying). There is a nightmare scenario of 2/1/1 if both a Mafia and a SK remain, in which we could possibly be scum and the target of a scum ploy. But yes, we are nearly confirmed town.

-Summon

[Lady Lambdadelta]

As of so far you have provided no evidence this is remotely possible to have occurred.

Because it isn't.

My partner summon thinks this is too weird for you to be scum.

I don't.

I admit it saddens me but the truth is this. At this point we are confirmed town by your own words. By the very mass claim you just ran, we are confirmed town..

By continuing to push us you act anti townly, in a possible ELO situation.

I see no logical argument why any of this connects to the ??? Phase, but given your behaviour I think you might be the one informed on that phase.

Maybe you aren't. Maybe you can prove me wrong here and flip it and come in here and recognize we are confirmed town and work with us to decide who is evil remaining.

But if you come back in here with the HARD FACTS decided as they are ans continue to throw shade at us about some mystery power that gave you TWO messages (part of why this is suspicious) and can ONLY have come from scum.

I will at this point be forced to believe you are scum at that point.

Like the logic isn't even that hard to follow. No townie alive or dead could have done what you are claiming

So only scum could do this.

So wherher you are town being duped or the scum who made it up, there is only one person who is completely clear of suspicion for doing this, and it's US.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Quiet Owl died DAY 4. With a FLIPPED ROLE.

Not possible.

Neither is Blanco.

Once again we remain confirmed town.

I'm not sure we're confirmed town. We're confirmed to have our role, and we're confirmed to be the target of a scum ploy (either by a scum messager or Prince lying). There is a nightmare scenario of 2/1/1 if both a Mafia and a SK remain, in which we could possibly be scum and the target of a scum ploy. But yes, we are nearly confirmed town.

-Summon

Two things.

One, if it's 2/1/1, town has lost. I'm not going to live in a world where we have lost..

Two, our role PM says town which invalidates that world lmfao.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I get you want to be fair to every possible world I really do?

But at this point between our voting record our day play and this we are so so so confirmed town.

And here is why stating this so everyone understands it is important.

If KT is scum, all 3 townies must agree.

I refuse to live in a 2-1-1 world. That world is a town loss and I'm playing kingmaker rn. I'll just ignore it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like at this point I invite KT and NM to come into this convo when they come back and read my logic about this whole scenario.

And if you disagree with my being confirmed town please argue why/how that is possible so we can clear this up.

But at this point its really imperative that townies get this leader who can unify them.