HMS Mutiny [Game Over]

[Eiralox]

It's a fact, way I see it.

[Radical Rat]

ELE in Otder for eira and kk to Jill yoy they need me on their side
I just don’t think it’s the right play to kill a cop after a scum cop has died
ESP with what looks like limited roles on towns side
I mean maybe you’ll flip scum with another role
And yoy lied to fabricate that
But the off chance you are town and voting yoy what seems to be melo
Nah

@RR, why do you think traitor!Mala makes this post? If she’s scum and Elements town, then why? Like it doesn’t really add up?

~H

I literally cannot read this post, so it means nothing to me.

She’s saying she doesn’t want to vote Elements because of Enchant’s flip I believe.

~H

Alright, I think I've parsed it, thank you.

My answer though is simply that I don't know. If she's Town she probably shouldn't be Townreading Elements anyway from her perspective, so? Maybe she thinks Elements is scum, since based on the hastiness of making that post I doubt she's had time to catch up and see Elements voting her? I really don't have a good explanation for either alignment.

[Eiralox]

Elements/Gimli/Flea simply do not, have not, wholly suspected each other. A lot of theater distancing. But nothing of substance pointing that they actually tried to sort one other. Rat is just such an obvious traitor once that team slots in place.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Elements/Gimli/Flea simply do not, have not, wholly suspected each other. A lot of theater distancing. But nothing of substance pointing that they actually tried to sort one other. Rat is just such an obvious traitor once that team slots in place.

This is true.

[Radical Rat]

Well, I know I'm not a traitor, so that team being a possibility doesn't particularly bother me because that's where I'm pointing if Malakittens somehow flips green anyway, and if that is the team, scum probably is just a normal team of four.

But if I'm right then while Gimli/Elements is still possible, the evidence is tenuous at best, and Eiralox is pretty heavily implicated, which makes Elements make less sense.

I understand the fear of me being traitor, but I just can't reconcile Malakittens here, and don't understand how anyone else is able to. Just... Please. Don't let caught scum get away. We've been eliminating Town all game, and while I won't pretend I didn't contribute to HPE and especially Gamma.... This is different. We have hard evidence, and it leads here. Please don't ignore it for a maybe.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't particularly agree that you're a traitor FWIW, I meant the first part of the post really.

[Asri Teroka]

[Eiralox]

I keep doing that! Ugh shitty habit

[Bellaphant]

Is anyone tr-ing flea?

[Flea The Magician]

So my laptop loads in at 122, I skimmed my way up last post was on 133 saying i was on 129...

we're now on 140. wtaf.

[Flea The Magician]

well this is going to need more time than I feasibly have available, anything interesting happen aside from what appears to be activity tells on me, despite telling you i have like 1-2 hours a day at the most to potentially play at the moment

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Flea is scum glossing over a pretty critical part of the game.

[Radical Rat]

well this is going to need more time than I feasibly have available, anything interesting happen aside from what appears to be activity tells on me, despite telling you i have like 1-2 hours a day at the most to potentially play at the moment

TL;DR, I caught Malakittens lying, and we argued about it way too much. ISO me and you'll see me explaining/reexplaining several times

[Flea The Magician]

Wanna point out where this critical bit is before I start going into spec and adjusting reads after trying to absorb 400 posts in my catch up from now, much less that I'm already irked by my current situation, and limited capability to get online after ya'll apparently forgot we have a post limit less than 36 hours into a game day?

[Radical Rat]

Is anyone tr-ing flea?

I am, at present, but my PoE's too small, so I'm probably going to have to kick either Flea or KJ out of the townclub eventually, but I haven't been able to make up my mind which yet.

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[Radical Rat]

The less amount of information that scum has the better. Can we just move on?

Unless you are telling me that I’m scum and enchant bussed me by fishing for my role.

So, to be 100% clear, all it says is that "you are a miller" with no elaboration on what that means?

Yes

I'll let the asshole thing slide since it was apparently influenced by outside forces, and I think that's mostly reasonable.

But these two posts should not exist in the same universe, EVEN IF we allow the possibility of a Role PM that doesn't explain the role.

The first one implies that information exists, otherwise there'd be nothing to hide from scum, and no reason to ask to move on instead. The answer would be "I already claimed everything" or something along those lines. The latter one claims that there was no such information.

And this isn't an instance of hiding a lack of power as bait either, because "I don't know" is completely neutral and doesn't influence what scum can or can't do with the role.

If she'd said she was only claiming miller to avoid the kill, and said so once the results discrepancy happened, I'd even buy that. But she didn't, and it's too late now that she's reaffirmed the claim multiple times.

Right here. This is the active lying. Explain how it isn't.

It is 100% possible that Elements lied.

What it isn't is confirmed. The only result that doesn't add up is today's, and that's better explained by Malakittens lying, because, again...

1. Miller doesn't make sense in this setup
2. If there is a Miller, it has to interact with non-alignment roles since there are no alignment roles
3. No way in hell Malakittens has a Role PM that doesn't explain her role
4. Even if she does have a Role PM that doesn't explain her role, she lied about it in-thread

Here's the crux of my point today.

Not pictured is that Malakittens has claimed responsibility for shooting Enchant, and my specific accusation is Traitor.

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[Flea The Magician]

Flea I'm sorry for the pronouns, don't think it's on purpose, I have never met anyone that's a faer before, I don't know how to write these things, English isn't my first language, and remembering your pronouns while being attacked by the entire game is something hard.

If you're town you need to understand where me and rat are going with this

Have my own opinions I need to mech out.

If you're struggling with fae/faer you're welcome to use they/them for me. https://pronoun.page/ should have options for your native language and examples of such.

[Flea The Magician]

OH someone wanted an idea of my reads at the moment...
I'm town hunting. put it that way. I have too many scum reads.

Gimli and Erialox are my bottom SRs because this is borderline openwolfing and the AtE is disturbing.

Rat is town, I'm confident in this. BBT I thought was town anyway, glad for the confirmation. Wish it didn't involve the black spot.

Elements needs mechanically looking at with Mala. Haven't read mala because she's not done anything thats stuck in my memory - that said, the vig shot on a clearly scum enchant is townlock, more to come later.

KJ I still don't want to interact with, they've improved and are currently dangling their feet in the spicy pool o' ne'er do wells - Often jumping in with Gimli and Eiralox. Thing is I can't see Gimli being aligned with either of them. There has been a lot of buddying from that slot to others just to try for the jugular.

Bella I still hate, once again seeing nothing but flapping here, honestly. When all I can remember of a slot is behavioural comparisions, kinda gets my back up.

I freaking hate this, its way too many potential scum who are literally throwing the toys out the pram leaving me working with a core of 2 town.

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If we are not in YOLO now then tomorrow we absolutely should be unless we hit.

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2 gated vigilantes are actually quite weak. Kill-redirector seems sketchy and can be treated as another gated vig - this seems too powerful.
Claimed "miller" with no investigatives could be a non-standard miller, could be a fake claim, but the claim matches the flipped pr in combined things.

Two people have "messed up" their claims and have given the tldr of them, I suspect there's shenangians with combined powers here. So Bella is who I'd want a look at, and Elements.

It is possible the Miller could just act as a Named Townie to throw off the scum pr cop

I have run out of brain.

I have no idea how/why Gimli has run out of posts...

I do need to come back to this later. I'm leaning more and more towards Eiralox at the moment, honestly.

[Flea The Magician]

Mala taking that shot imo clears her.
Enchant was in full scum meta and honestly if that ever changes I'll be amazed. Kinda curious who was SR'ing that slot and why.

[Flea The Magician]

I am now signing off for the night, brief post in the morning maybe.

[Radical Rat]

[Eiralox]

Utter hubris, almost making me want to switch back to Elements. But in truth Flea not voting Gimli and throwing out the lazy 'Eiralox sooo bad hnnnngnnngnngnnn' convinces me the path is righteous and either Gimli or Elements are gonna do the trick.


Good Luck.

[Flea The Magician]

I mean, I'd rather you gone tbh, not seeing the townread on you from any perspective I give. The fact you're on gimli is something I freaking hate at the moment and is why I'm not there.

[Eiralox]

Ok.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

How come we haven't elimmed Gimli yet?