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VOTE: andante

<3

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Vote: PenguinPower

He knows why.

I do indeed.

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Question, why does this game feel so slow? There's literally only 2 posts I like so far, and the rest of yall are just like "sup I'm here"

I liked gamma going "I had this thought so I figured I'd say it" love that!!
and redFF's post seemed good, a bit of effort put in and I felt like it was trying to help me make sense of the "all should post reads" - yeah when in doubt I go "not AI"


and then we have everyone else.. like yall!!! LET'S PLAY MAFIA!!!! I'm excited!!!
Kowahbunga is probably 1 mafia
this game is too easy!! although... it is a little easier when I have friends talking/doing stuff lol

sup I'm here

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but...wagon...

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mmm

competing wagons

VOTE: kow

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everyone has a reason to vote penguin

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i'll be back to post gifs at some point

Penguin... you reading this? I think you have some competition... Shirou gonna make a better gif list later?

I mean - he can certainly try.

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everyone has a reason to vote penguin

oh do we now?

Of course.

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Nice votecount.

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i don't really get the focus on kow's vote tbh...

also don't think andante's response to it was scum indicative rather than just andante indicative though

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just fyi - that brings kow to 4. i asked the mod to fix the votecount

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sure - i'm not saying you should know with a join date of 7 days ago. I'm just offering my perspective based on my experience.

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well at least the numbers were right then

guess it is 5 now

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Kow has too many votes for this early. Got my eye on Penguin,red, Klick, and andante. Likely at least one scum on there.

I'm at work, so this is all I'll be able to say for the next fivish hours.

Why is it too many votes for this early? What do you think is the appropriate threshold for votes at this time and when is the appropriate time for more votes?

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Told you that you had a reason to vote me

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Kow has too many votes for this early. Got my eye on Penguin,red, Klick, and andante. Likely at least one scum on there.

I'm at work, so this is all I'll be able to say for the next fivish hours.

wait...why not brickwall?

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Kow has too many votes for this early. Got my eye on Penguin,red, Klick, and andante. Likely at least one scum on there.

I'm at work, so this is all I'll be able to say for the next fivish hours.

wait...why not

brickwall

herta?

ebwop

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Kow has too many votes for this early. Got my eye on Penguin,red, Klick, and andante. Likely at least one scum on there.

I'm at work, so this is all I'll be able to say for the next fivish hours.

wait...why not

brickwall

herta?

ebwop

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Kow has too many votes for this early. Got my eye on Penguin,red, Klick, and andante. Likely at least one scum on there.

I'm at work, so this is all I'll be able to say for the next fivish hours.

Why is it too many votes for this early? What do you think is the appropriate threshold for votes at this time and when is the appropriate time for more votes?

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See above. Second question: Appropriate threshold is definitely less than half of the votes required to lynch. In this case, that's 3.

Seems arbitrary. You can't apply pressure like that.

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102 is a nothing post, I think you're mistaken on number.

102 is a clarifying post with the actual question. I think you're lacking in reading comprehension.

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Simple. I was going off the current votecount as listed on page 4, and you're not there. As previously mentioned, I've been skimming since I've been at work all day (note to all: I'll be doing that a lot as I work a job that gives me time to look away for short bursts, but I still have quotas to meet).

wonderful...now that you know what do you think?

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shame i likely won't get an answer soon due to the site downtime

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lynching

we don't use this anymore FYI

For many years, the word “lynch” was used to describe the person who was voted out by town in a mafia game. We no longer allow this word to be used.

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tbh i've been focused more on gamer so not really

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VOTE: gamer

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خرخرة الشيطان

?????

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VOTE: GamerGryff

If you wanted to get the day over as quickly as possible, why this vote instead of Kow?

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VOTE: GamerGryff

If you wanted to get the day over as quickly as possible, why this vote instead of Kow?

in the past ive literally just voted longest wagon the whole day.
today, i voted for the person i gave a naughty point to.

im not sure how i am meant to play day 1 and make people happy. if i dont give ashit i get wagoned. when i don't people dislike it too.

UNVOTE:

you all do you, i'll sit here and make snide remarks.

Where did you give Gamer a naughty point, and how did my question lead to you unvoting completing?

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@PP

91

we got good traction on

gamer

me no want unvote

ty - not sure how i missed that looking through the short iso

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and how did my question lead to you unvoting completing?

Still would like this answered.

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pushing wagons isn't rushing things. speedyeeting is rushing things. one doesn't necessarily lead to the other.

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Why is redFF in the list?

Happy with the others, including Shiro.

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Why is redFF in the list?

Happy with the others, including Shiro.

waat this is so sinful i can't be killed pls do u guys not understand i'm gonna like

kaboom splash plish plash

hero solve this game fr fr later mhm

^
and this is why

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VOTE: kow

not liking the uptick in vanities

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Talking about wagons.

of which he is not part of one so...yeah.

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Yeah Gryff reads as hard town to me

lmao - this isn't a real read

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What is a vanity in mafia terms?

a wagon that doesn't have expressed support and is unlikely to be pushed through...usually with a single "vanity" vote on it.

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Yeah Gryff reads as hard town to me

lmao - this isn't a real read

Is too

nuh uh

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See - that is a real thought.

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I think Brick's posting overall reads as very comfortable and confident in itself. Brick is being very open with their thoughts while also not feeling like they're oversharing. Brick is probing and asking questions and I think the intent of them is to genuinely get answers and scumhunt rather than to mislead anyone or persuade us that Brick is town. Brick feels confident presenting their unique perspective to the game as opposed to trying to blend in. I think all of these things make Brick really likely to be town.

See - that is a real thought.

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Actually with Brick here now I think I'd rather let them defend themselves
I will say I also like 333

You have been a white knight.

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Actually with Brick here now I think I'd rather let them defend themselves
I will say I also like 333

You have been a white knight.

In shining armour, also very helpful in post 281. I had noticed it too

Good eye - what do you think about it?

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peer pressure is bad... stay away from it kids

yeah - but you should

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happy to yeet kow now

let's go!

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I've not stated suspicion of PenguinPower
He's not really done anything to influence my read on him yet

By that I specifically mean that by Page 7 I could easily see ar least one of Taly/Penguin/geraintm being scum and feeling like Gryff is a comfortable place to be

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lmao - so you're saying you calling me potential scum for an action I did is not me doing something that has an influence on your read on me

BUT

that same action makes me more likely to be scum on an individual level (wtf does this even mean) but not on a personal level?

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VOTE: klick

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Kow

, let's just say we do no-lim, what is the benefit if you don't give content outside of the

Andante

tunnel?

My thing is this, a no-lim guarantees no wagon on a town power that gets to L1 and has to claim it to stay alive. A no lim means everyone has a night to potentially do something, and odds say if the scum have to pick randomly from the town (because, ya know, they lack any sort of indication about us at all), that they'll miss town powers. The game can really start on D2. Then there's at least people alive who maybe have information to be able to watch how things work and watch that player they know the truth about.

At this point though, it would probably be dumb to no lim this day. I'm more of an advocate of people using their first post in d1 to do it and not say anything. Scum have probably already sorted us and have an idea of who they're killing.

I just look at it from a RL perspective. Let's say this was actually happening and we had to kill people in our town to eradicate the bad people. Wouldn't you want as much information as you can get before making that decision? Or are you really okay just randomly picking someone on the basis of "maybe?" Obviously this isn't real life, but i just see a no lim allowing more town to be alive d2, and more information to come from d2 than the information we get from a d1 elimination on a player that is probably the easiest wagon to cast doubt on as to who was or wasn't on it.

It's obvious I'm in the minority though. Which really seems weird because I feel like I'm all the time reading posts from people about how much they hate D1, and then I present an alternative and it's shot down.

I'll leave with you some light reading: viewtopic.php?t=21947

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Oh - well he's objectively wrong so...

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mmm...fine

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wait, PENGUIN!!! this is going so fast lol I do want your thoughts, do you think Shirou town? or is vote here ok?

sorry - the post in between taly's and mine kinda through off the meaning...if you and taly are town on kow then I'm fine with lumping him in the do not yeet pile.

I'm still completely fine with yeeting shirou...prefer klick.

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attempting build towncred? he's been white knighting players and has inconsistent thought processes so that pings me

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also that quote block looks really weird

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What do you think of Klick?

he's town

just like me i feel he's more interested on solving stuff rather than tryharding on pretending to be solving stuff like he was doing in the white flag game

Lol - what is he actually solving?

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What do you think of Klick?

he's town

just like me i feel he's more interested on solving stuff rather than tryharding on pretending to be solving stuff like he was doing in the white flag game

What is he actually solving though? his first post of the game was literally a "reads list" to say I was leaning town?? and then no updated list after the fact, and only cares about a few people, called Gryff town just because Gryff posted a list, doesn't feel like solving to me

<3

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yeah pp is back to null

Lol - what is he actually solving?

he had takes on gryff and brick and expanded on them

but at the same time he isn't trying too hard to look like he's solving the game, he's doing it casually

it's relatable to me and i town lean him for that

He’s white knighting newbies. That isn’t solving.

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attempting build towncred? he's been white knighting players and has inconsistent thought processes so that pings me

I like how you just dropped the conversation we were having about my thought processes do you could keep lazily saying they're inconsistent

We weren't having a conversation. You responded to what I said (with bunk IMO) and I felt no need to engage with it.

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yeah - but i already said i don't believe it was a real read so...there that is.

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warmpup is here

yay!

completely neutral slot so...town.

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Actually happy to vote shirou ofc.

I'd still go back to kowa.

VOTE: lazyshirou

what is this?

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I'm just going to sheep PP until I get my bearings maybe.

that was not this

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absolutely - just tell me klick is a badie

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If Andante is scum he's trying really really hard to give as much to the part as possible and he can't keep that up for a whole game surely

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klick is still defending gryff, right?

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oh yay
VOTE: gryff

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AtE incoming, for realz, yo.

This is my first game back in 5 years, and ya'll wanna vote me out day 1. How am I suppose to get my sea legs back if ya'll don't let me play? It's day one and ya'll are way overthinking the shit I say. Seriously.

Play more games where you don't roll scum.

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VOTE: klick

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VOTE: Klick

I will be taking no questions at this time.

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Hammering a super confirmable role before they claim? Really?

This is a pretty bad opening-day post. Almost entices me to move here.

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*checks watch*

11:30 AM. Shirou is still scum.

*checks watch*

11:40 AM. Herta is not voting who they think is still scum.

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im not mafia so i have no insight into why they chose him for a nightkill

lies - not mafia has a miltank at the appropriate size for an avatar

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*checks watch*

On snooze.

ok - but seriously, why shade a slot like that but not lay down a vote?

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When I look into a player death, I don't look too much into how others are/were reading them though. I more look at what they were saying. Like for me the NK is on the player that gives the least amount of info to town. To which I believe if Andante was town, it should have been them because from my POV of how I review the game, that's who was all over the place D1. So their reads from D1 would just be meaningless to us now because they literally suspected everyone.

I think this view of the game reveals that Kowahbunga is not scum
I think someone actually being scum in this game would not have this idea of how scum choose their nightkills in their head
It's also a particularly individual way of describing how Kowah would choose the nightkill, and I think scum would be less likely to have that description so closely tied to an

individual

perspective because they are more conscious of the fact that the NK is a group decision

it's also someone with a partner - say someone like you - to coach them in how to approach it could do!

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novice can't act night 1

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I just strongly believe you are scum so I am approaching your slot from that perspective. Like, independent of anything else, everything thing I see from you comes across as hard defending or buddying newbies and I think you have a scum incentive to do so.

Sorry if that annoys you.

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VOTE: andante

If I was scum and this was town I would've killed this immediately since everyone kept saying obvtown so it reads as suspicious they're still here

FYI it's the day I do both jobs so I prolly won't be back til very late if at all today

but...you aren't scum so even if this was town...how does that logic track?

i agree with the second part though I'm not sure everyone was obvtown...pretty sure warmpuppy was pretty vocal about scum!andante

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read the next post?

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read the next post?

Wow penguin expecting me to actually read the game.
Which newbies and allies is klick buddying exactly?

read klick's next post!

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wow firebringer expecting me to actually explain myself

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VOTE: shirou

There it is...finally.

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I know u dont like me much PP but between me and herta who do u vote

Probably herta at this point.

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nvm - you took my pagetop

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hey penguin lets 1v1 fite to death in pullups.
I bet i can beat u

i don't have arms and can't fly...not fair

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hey penguin lets 1v1 fite to death in pullups.
I bet i can beat u

i don't have arms and can't fly...not fair

*looks avi Penguinpower avatar*
*looks at penguinpower response*

Elim all liars:
VOTE: Penguinpower

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your omgus is heart warming

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Not at all. I'm being sincere.

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UNVOTE:

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penguin - why the quick vote entering day 2 and then backing off? very mixed signals

hi. I'm penguin.

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VOTE: geraintm

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oh, i'm still not taking questions.

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it isn't? pretty sure it works how i want it to.

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thank you for your opinion on my play

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i appreciate ur play regardless of ur alignment penguin friend

<3

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Honestly

VOTE: Penguin

For not participating

huh?

He thinks because I won't answer a specific line of questions I am not participating.

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And look how that turned out.

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I didn't even have arms until then.

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You're not contributing anything of value. You barely talk at all

This is inherently anti town behavior

Quit trying to just skate on by

No. I play this game my way, not your way, so I don't give a fuck what you think.

And just FYI - shit like the above will only make me dig my heels in harder.

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gryff its easier to attract bees with honey than with vinegar. if you think he is scum like i do, its easier to get him to talk by either
A) giving space to let him talk
B) give him something good to respond to
or C) shit posting with him till he reveals his dirty little secrets

i am doing C & A right now.

this is certainly a nicer, and still accurate way, to put it

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I understand if you don't want to answer or don't have a satisfying answer Penguin
But what do you think you do differently when you're town vs when you're scum? What is the accurate way to read you?

I'm quite well known for being difficult to read so you should ask skitter or pooky since they have really good read rates on me bordering on perfect.

y'know I'm actually coming around to thinking I've been tunneled on you (hence the unvote) so here's an olive branch:

skitter's theory

I don't know how pooky reads me so well but he does

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i'm going to pull my hair out

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um...may want to check that votecount again

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nahh

on second thought he made the effort to do that super funny video but isn't really pushing us back here

VOTE: herta~

i'm more unsure of herta being the scum but for now i'll sit here for a bit more

I'll move over if you can get one more person to otherwise I'm fairly happy where I'm at

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because i'm town

duh

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What spells did u cast on Shirou and where do i learn them?

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magical

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magical

I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's intentional (if it is, it's impressive) but I can't read many of your posts without feeling slapped by sarcasm.

I mean - the whole related conversation is on this page so maybe try reading in general?

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you're hyperfocus on me is embarassing

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your*

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nothing - i meant it was embarrassing for me.

I'm blushing.

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i'd ignore it either way at this stage tbh

i'd probably start cracking around e-2 or so as scum

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i am a mastermind. you have fallen into my trap

time for phase 7 to begin.

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I hope phase 7 involves converting me to the scum team

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i think the klick case was solid enough and it has interesting associatives with gryff, but we're back to shitposting i see

where were you when I was actually pushing for klick for those reasons...ya know...for the majority of this game?

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VOTE: gryff

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iso his participation today (and even yesterday)

I don't abide by hypocrites who ate'd their way out of a yeet

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fine - then while don't wholly agree on reasoning we agree on the conclusion

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that's not what i said

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i don't actually

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+ it's d2 and he still doesn't have a lot to say except take snipes at me

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He isn't doing anything. Got it.

He's going beyond "not doing anything" and sniping at other (who are doing more than him). He's scum who doesn't know how to get his footing and was saved by a wall of ate at the end of D1.

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i don't really feel like continuing to yell at a wall so I'm done.

my vote stays.

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iso his participation today (and even yesterday)

I don't abide by hypocrites who ate'd their way out of a yeet

what does this mean? sorry

it means gryff has done worse than what he's been popping in to accuse me of with an added sprinkle of ate that got him out of a yeet yesterday.

i don't like that. i think it's quite possibly scum who can't get a hold on the game. i want to yeet him.

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that's a fair assumption

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Can a vote be sheepy if I openly say it's sheepy? I always took sheepy more as a sneaky thing to do.

yes.

is the act of following a popular wagon or popular player with no independent intent.

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to use it in a sentence...

you should sheep me on to gryff

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¿ waw are we actually doing this wow ?

yes - join us

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no - we are not giving him any more time.

he can have fun in the dead pt

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I will midly push back again on this gryff wagon. But i don't have energy to yell at anyone to move.

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I think you mixed up your spells
I suppose I'm here now though

that's my bad...sorry...

new wand

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well - i will admit - that yeet was a little personal and feel a teensy bit bad about it

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I think penguin very likely could be scum still
But that night kill doesn't seem like it would be from penguin unless he had no say in it or something.

psh - I would have taken the Klick yeet path yesterday if I was scum. you just

want

me to be scum

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VT.

Red can go next.

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really…

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guess we’ll wait for claims to finish before I push further on that

[PenguinPower]

ok, freedom next

I'm Announcing Roaming Watcher.
Taly targeted Penguin N1 (idk why but Penguin can confirm a watcher targeted him). Nobody else seems to have visited.
I targeted Klick last Night and surprise! Nobody else seems to have visited.
However, Klick was NKed. Mafia must have targeted him.

Which is why I think there's Mafia Ninja in either the VT claims or the unclaimed.

Also, Kowa, you can be next.

Can confirm.

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This is such an enchant setup, and I love the deviation from most normal games.

p-edit

Geraintm is very likely scum given the wagons yesterday.

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hahahahahahhah

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Wtf

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You’re really hurting my penguinfeelings and I demand an apology in postgame.

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creepy vibes ngl

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I get the paranoia and I hate the scum read but yeah…warmpup is probably just truth telling town.

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I want to check penguin the most.

Stahl…You’re going to make the others jealous.

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feel like its penguin or kow for lim today

I feel like you aren’t actually reading the game if you have me in there.

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I want to check penguin the most.

Stahl…You’re going to make the others jealous.

U better have snacks inside when I visit you. Or else!

I have roasted garlic triscuits and homemade hummus.

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6PRs is on the high side for a normal but makes sense with a ninja given they are all nerfed until that role is eliminated. IC is one clear. Fire can get clears but relies public discussion so is a weakened cop. Gating follower makes sense as a town role not so much as a scum role. Motion detector is weaker than watcher, especially in this setup, so i buy it being town over the watcher even though both are gated similarly. I can see voyeur acting in a rolecop capacity here to help scum get a better grasp on the setup and if it hits fire's role they know how to fake claim to prevent a guilty.

yeah...i can buy that setup.

lemme know when we're meeting geraintm.

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yeeting...gd autocorrect.

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starting to think PP is town

<3

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VOTE: geraintm

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you said let's go

i went

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FWOAKFOWAKFOAKOWFOWKAK

ANDANTE WHY THE QUICK SWITCH

again...you said let's go

we went

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scum team is something like pp/fire/andante

I would be having a lot more fun if that was the case

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scum team is something like pp/fire/andante

that would be an awesome scum team not gonna lie

best team is me/penguin/shirou

four scum team of PP/fire/andante/shirou

secretly lowkey bastard game

i mean - it

is

an Enchant game...

petition the mod to change the scum team to the above

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gamma was a bad yeet, but yeah, should have claimed

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I noticed.

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These votecounts make no sense to me now...if Kow isn't scum then nothing in this game makes any sense.

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do you want me to start?

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i am sad that firebringer did not visit me last night

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This setup must be crazy.

This has been mentioned several times now but...look at who the mod is.

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no it would not be

i would be very upset

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this is elo with 7 alive.

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did firebringer visit you last night?

y/n?

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ty

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popcorn to...?

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that is not the correct team so...

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i want to hear from herta/freedom/kow who they think is the best yeet for today

i don't want to hear from shirou or fire or andante until those three start talking more

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can you not?

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*sigh*

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no

no they shouldn't

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that makes a lot of sense actually

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Fire was also the unique person to be able to be sure that Klick was a Town JOAT by N2.

Explain?

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ok, freedom next

I'm Announcing Roaming Watcher.
Taly targeted Penguin N1 (idk why but Penguin can confirm a watcher targeted him). Nobody else seems to have visited.
I targeted Klick last Night and surprise! Nobody else seems to have visited.
However, Klick was NKed. Mafia must have targeted him.

Which is why I think there's Mafia Ninja in either the VT claims or the unclaimed.

Also, Kowa, you can be next.

[PenguinPower]

me > klick > fire

[PenguinPower]

i mean the problem is you had someone visit you so regardless of your action herta would have seen movement.

without that, if your action was on scum!kow, herta would have received "no result"

[PenguinPower]

no - loyal actions used on the opposite alignment are blocked. motion detectors receive "no result" on blocked actions.

[PenguinPower]

i mean the standard PM specifically states "This action will be blocked if used on a player who does not belong to your faction."

[PenguinPower]

well that's not normal

Loyal is an acceptable modifier under Normal guidelines on mafiascum.net, when used on an active role belonging to a player of any Town or Mafia/Werewolf alignment. It causes the role to

behave as though it were roleblocked

unless the target has the same alignment as the user.

[PenguinPower]

because i didn't know until i researched it today

[PenguinPower]

A Motion Detector is considered Normal on mafiascum.net. A Motion Detector should receive the same result if they see an action being performed by their target as they would if they see an action being performed on their target (and the same if they see both). If their target is Ascetic or targeted by a Rolestopper, they should receive a "No Result" pm, the same as if they'd been blocked themselves. A Motion Detector would not see a Ninja performing a kill.

I'm going to confirm with Mod.

did you do this?

[PenguinPower]

I asked Mod about this.

If a loyal action is made on a player of a different faction, it's counted as blocked. So it can't be tracked and won't show as movement.

Why did you follow up after you said you were going to ask the mod? That seems like pertinent info.

[PenguinPower]

"Why didn't you"

[PenguinPower]

Because it would be called out as not normal since the guidelines are there for anyone to look at.

That didn't answer my questions btw. Why didn't you follow up once you got a response from the mod?

[PenguinPower]

What? So you did check with the mod or didn't remember to check?

[PenguinPower]

so - not until fire and I brought it back up...ok

[PenguinPower]

I mean by the time i remembered that i was going to do that i was getting shit on for saying i was going to check in the first place so i said screw i guess it doesnt matter.

just want to note that you weren't "shit on" until 13 hours after you said you would ask the mod

[PenguinPower]

I think I'm fine betting the game today on Herta being scum.

[PenguinPower]

probably kow

[PenguinPower]

probably kow

How do you figure?

if we're assuming that one of the clears is fake you had the easiest time faking it

[PenguinPower]

probably kow

How do you figure?

if we're assuming that one of the clears is fake you had the easiest time faking it

This logic can't come from a town POV. There was a plan agreed on prior to that night phase even happening. I was following the directions presented and agreed on. I also don't see why I would lie about getting something there. From a scum!kowah POV if I'm scum and Fire is town, and I say I got something when I wouldn't have, then I'm caught. My best play would have been to tell the truth, even as scum, in hopes that Fire visited someone else who also just claimed they didn't get anything.

Faking getting something could have potentially outed two scum. Fire says "I didn't visit you, I visited this other person who said they didn't get anything" two scum dead. Me saying I didn't get something at best kills one scum from that night action. This makes no sense for scum!kowahbunga to lie.

Well - that assumes that the pool of targets were all scum. You saying "No" is a instayeet whereas you gambiting on "Yes" is not an instayeet in a situation where scum can pick up the win today.

Of course, all of this requires FB to be town and/or for one of his clears to be wrong which is not a position I want to argue atm.

[PenguinPower]

If any of fire's results are shady it's the result on Shirou who he practically walked to an answer.

This requires Fire/Shirou both being scum or Fire being scum and so wasn't applicable to the scenario that was being discussed.

[PenguinPower]

your point?

[PenguinPower]

i want to hear from herta/freedom/kow who they think is the best yeet for today

i don't want to hear from shirou or fire or andante until those three start talking more

Kow, who's the best yeet?

[PenguinPower]

oooooh - good way to get my blood boiling