Mini Normal 2288: Reposting Same Picture As Flavor Are Lame

[Lazy Shirou]

hi andante remember me

i flash caught scum!you before

[Lazy Shirou]

i'm not doing much of anything in this game until dunno

day 2 or day 3

i'm playing this game lazily and no one can stop i wanna try something since this seems like a more chill playerlist

[Lazy Shirou]

lol not gonna lie, I don't even remember the last time I was scum and uhh I don't remember you ._.

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Hey what about the Gypx wagon tho

Andante scum claimed

Where exactly did this happen?

through all her ISO

almost on every post

yes i'm posting this to pretend to be good and sheepable later

please and thank you

[Lazy Shirou]

i need to go sleep now

i'll be back to post gifs at some point

VOTE: taly

[Lazy Shirou]

ok i cannot resist on hindsight

gamma i know u are scum goodnight now fr

[Lazy Shirou]

VOTE: gamma

[Lazy Shirou]

@Taly i'm churros/bunno idk if you remember me

[Lazy Shirou]

In post 78, Lazy Shirou wrote:
@Taly i'm churros/bunno idk if you remember me



Yes, I remember you fondly, hello again

[Lazy Shirou]

Herta and Bunno put a hurtin' on Taly once.

you remember me as well

very good

pls never forget me

and i really mean

never

[Lazy Shirou]

Why is redFF in the list?

Happy with the others, including Shiro.

waat this is so sinful i can't be killed pls do u guys not understand i'm gonna like

kaboom splash plish plash

hero solve this game fr fr later mhm

[Lazy Shirou]

andate is prob town btw

prob can lock the read before eod

[Lazy Shirou]

If you let me just shitpost through day 1, maybe day 2 I pinky promise to get at least one scum, for real. If not well...I don't want to care too much about this game from the start (or most games in this alt from now on).

I probably need to be properly miseliminated once for it become my "meta" in this alt though so eh, maybe it'll happen here.

Now back to shitposting.

[Lazy Shirou]

^
and this is why

u smell pp you keep 24/7 grinding those bars but i would beat u senseless in a gif competition

u should watch yourself more at lunchbreak from now on

[Lazy Shirou]

okay hm so

i can't guarantee getting even one scum at all on hindsight so i'll play just a bit this game mhm

just a bit

[Lazy Shirou]

if anyone wants to know why i changed my mind go read post-game of white flag that's it

viewtopic.php?t=90287&p=13625337#p13625337

i thought if left alive by d3 or so i could get scum but idk anymore apparently i get worse reads in late-game and my accuracy isn't that good

i thought about trying the katsuki style but i realize midway that i'm not even a good impersonation of katsuki

[Lazy Shirou]

i'm def not trying to effort too much here mhm

wanna vibe

do u guys wanna vibe

[Lazy Shirou]

Hi Shirou I'm town I hope you are too because I think it could be fun.

hi klick yeah it would be fun to solve together this time, i'm curious though, you said you could "finally" play this game now that white flag was over...

but why were you "prioritizing" white flag? at least that's what it seemed to imply to me

[Lazy Shirou]

i don't have the confidence on calling scum correctly so

i just wanna say my thoughts + or - and leave it at that

i don't wanna hardpush anyone or pick fights

i don't even want to say my thoughts very much because i completely lack confidence at it but i figured it may be unfair to not post anything if i don't plan to try too hard later on. my iso so far is empty i guess

[Lazy Shirou]

andante feels so green that it's like she's an entire forest by herself

it's kinda a meta tell tho so not impossible she's just blowing her previous "scum range"

[Lazy Shirou]

literally everything²

i said everything in your iso was scum indicative in that other game

i think rn almost everything in your iso is town indicative

completely and utterly different vibes

my unique hesitance towards you is that maybe you didn't feel like playing scum back then but do now for mood reasons, or etc

[Lazy Shirou]

i haven't properly read half of this game i wanna actually read it first before saying anything

u feel like town even from my skim though

[Lazy Shirou]

mmmk, see, I feel like I haven't even dropped anything amazing yet,

the sample is only 4 games but i started to feel a very noticeable difference in your town/scum game and went to check

it would be p funny to out it but it's a lot easier to fake it i out

if i'm right by any chance on it being a reliable tell (i think needs more testing) i wanna keep close to my chest bc i feel like you're a free read if i'm right

[Lazy Shirou]

i don't usually do meta nowadays but yours was very very noticeable

i'm surprised if no one has talked about it yet perhaps

maybe it was a coincidence in the games i saw i guess

[Lazy Shirou]

again though, it's been awhile since you rolled scum

could be outdated meta definitely

you still feel a bit towny without the meta tell as well

[Lazy Shirou]

i've a cop check on andante

she's clear

[Lazy Shirou]

I just had the idea in pregame so I figured I’d vocalize it immediately.

so you would do it as either alignment right? the readlist thing is nai?

[Lazy Shirou]

i'm actually reading andante posts now and it does sound kinda superficially scummy how she considerably "suspects" kowah initially for...just placing a vote on her

but i also think it may be her personality, i still maintain my read on her

p-edit: thanks Andante! late happy birthday to you as well!

i think i forgot to say bc i wasn't paying attention to this game before

[Lazy Shirou]

I just had the idea in pregame so I figured I’d vocalize it immediately.

so you would do it as either alignment right? the readlist thing is nai?

Eh I’ll say yes.

why do you think you would do it as scum?

[Lazy Shirou]

kowabunga/herta/????

I think you should replace me with Shirou.

why do u think i'm scum?

[Lazy Shirou]

finally caught up and mulled over everything else slowly on a new experimental style. right now i'm more or less here:

[Andante] - town read
[Klick] - town lean
[Brickwall, PP**] - nulltown
[HC, geraintm, redFF, Taly***] - null
[Herta, Kowahbunga*] - nullscum
[Gamma, GammerGryff] - scum lean
[] - scum read

* - i believe kowa can easily be either alignment, either newbie town or scum, not having anything other than a suspicion on andante is unusual but i could see it coming from a newbie town/someone not used to andante

** - if there's someone i'm wrong on my nulltowns/above, atm i think it's PP but he seems to be having his own thoughts on stuff

*** - i considered putting taly above in nulltown but i don't feel there's quite enough

i'm not sure i feel like explaining every other read unless necessary though so...

maybe i should focus on my suspects a bit?

[Lazy Shirou]

i dislike herta a bit more than kowa atm, i wanted they on separate brackets and herta lower but not enough brackets even though i've two extras huh

[Lazy Shirou]

Was this RVS or serious? If serious where's the follow up?

gonna follow up at some point

i want to talk more to gamma first tho

either way in the issue of Brick vs Gamma, although i believe brick was a bit reachy on trying to say gamma was being opportunistic there, i think gamma was perhaps even more reachy on saying brick was a "outed liar" (rather than just someone confused as brick explained right in his next post) and saying brick had said Gamma did scum read the players she hadn't liked (andante and fire)

i already thought gamma had done something a bit scummy in the first pages, but i'm a bit surprised that so far my read there just keeps getting worse

[Lazy Shirou]

Shirou

majority of your posts regarding reads are

Andante

-town, can you give more than saying it is meta?

she's intentionally calling a lot of attention to herself in a way that it sounds natural to her personality but also not how she would approach the game as scum i think

[Lazy Shirou]

Herta -
Seems to have a history with Gamma and knows their shit on how she plays. Even despite him suggesting to get me out of here, I'm going to say this is town, for the time being. This could be deflection and trying to push it off on Gamma. If Gamma is town, I'm gonna say Herta is scum, and vice versa.

i know i said i wouldn't use associatives but i feel like this is more of a individual thing that also doubles as associative rather than an associative on its own

this is a really weird thing to say. how would gamer so quickly conclude that herta just saying he's "going back and forth on gamma" means one of they must be scum?

i've seen this type of read quite a bit...but almost always coming from scum. not only that, they come often from scum when talking about a partner.

i feel like this is one of the weirdest posts in this game and a VERY UNNATURAL way to read Gamma/Herta, which also makes it look worse given i don't like either Gamma/Herta and think one of them may be scum (which reinforces this feeling like a informed read)

i think right now i would be fine voting either Gamma or Gryff.

[Lazy Shirou]

maybe geraint should go to nullscum but idk

he seems to have a bit of a quirky approach to the game, not sure what to do with him

[Lazy Shirou]

i think that's it from me, see you all?

i saw your question about gamma taly but i'm leaving you to think about why i'm not replying yet

[Lazy Shirou]

Gamma -
In addition to Brick's take on her, she's barely said anything in the first place. If you're going to be made about me not "giving content" then you can't not say the same about Gamma.

Herta -
Seems to have a history with Gamma and knows their shit on how she plays. Even despite him suggesting to get me out of here, I'm going to say this is town, for the time being. This could be deflection and trying to push it off on Gamma. If Gamma is town, I'm gonna say Herta is scum, and vice versa.

in fact those two reads together don't even make SENSE

if Gamer thinks that one of Herta/Gamma is scum and clears the other, and town reads Herta for now, he necessarily had to think Gamma is scum which isn't the impression i get from his read on her (Gamma) at all.

i believe this was an informed read. decent confidence although i've learned the hard way to never be sure of anything i guess...

[Lazy Shirou]

i'm fine killing any of [Gamer/Gamma/Herta] for now

[Lazy Shirou]

oh wait sorry, Gryff. i forgot to call you that.

[Lazy Shirou]

gryff gamma is talking about you having modded a game but your join date seem new

are you an alt? if so what's your main account if it's public? (if it's a secret alt it's fine to not reveal)

[Lazy Shirou]

dunno who to vote between gamma/gryff

gamma seems the path of less resistance hm?

klick i think you're too early to call gryff the mislim bait for scum just because he sounds scummy, i believe he has decent chances of being actual scum

[Lazy Shirou]

He just posted something without posting something.

I will translate: "I made a few substantive posts after being called out on it, and now I'm going to go back to lurking and can't be bothered to invent an answer to your question."

it doesn't even feel like you're trying to sort my alignment by this point, you're just shading me

i'm not sure the timestamps since my last post before yours can prove that i've been reading the game though

it takes time to analyze every single post like i'm doing here, i'm reading slower than usual and noting stuff down to not forget my early reads

my early reads are not often better than my late reads

[Lazy Shirou]

i believe there's ok odds of it being Gryff + one of Gamma/Herta

that being the entire scum team sounds too convenient though

i didn't expect to have a guess already but that just screams informed read given i also independently suspect Gamma/Herta

(thanks taly)

[Lazy Shirou]

my early reads are often better than my late reads

i meant this, i can't forget my early impressions they may be important later

[Lazy Shirou]

@Kowa

1. how many mafia games have you played before/how long have you been playing this game for?

2. it's a weird request but i want you to give me 3 or 4

fake reads

. if you're town, i want you to pretend to be scum for a few minutes and prove to me that you

can

fake reads by giving convincing reasons on them when you're lying. i want you to prove me that you can convincingly lie in the first place otherwise it sounds like you may just have no idea how to lie on reads as scum.

[Lazy Shirou]

My thing is this, a no-lim guarantees no wagon on a town power that gets to L1 and has to claim it to stay alive.

i had this exact same argument in my first newbie game here, but here's the thing kowah:

1.the fact you can't effectively scumhunt yet in d1 perhaps doesn't mean others with more experience on this game can't. there's quite a few games that have scum eliminations on d1.

2. you're assuming that with "enough discussion" we can be conclude assuredly that we know who scum are, which isn't true and i've learned it painfully in my time here. Even the best town players in 20 years of this site incorrectly scumreads townies and townreads wolfies quite often, mafia isn't a game you can ever be sure of anything except on a cop/mech check/clear/guilty.

proving our guesses right or wrong to see if we should continue in a given direction or reconsider is the best way to win games. we "veterans" here all do that because most of us all have come to conclude it's the most effective way to play this game.

[Lazy Shirou]

I just look at it from a RL perspective. Let's say this was actually happening and we had to kill people in our town to eradicate the bad people. Wouldn't you want as much information as you can get before making that decision? Or are you really okay just randomly picking someone on the basis of "maybe?"

we wouldn't randomly pick someone then because their lives are at stake it's a morality issue, we're on a forum game though there's no permanent damage on getting something wrong (other than your own self-esteem to ?some?).

if we no lim here, we have one less elimination/shot at killing mafia and

assure

that only a townie potentially will be dead tomorrow.

the most effective way to win the game would still be gradually checking our "guesses" even in that situation. people wouldn't do it bc it would be cruel. it wouldn't be bc it's not mathematically effective.

your argument would be more plausible if dead townies couldn't "win" the game but i (and many others) have been in your position/side of the argument before and i (like most others?) completely changed my mind.

[Lazy Shirou]

a game where you can win even after you're dead as either alignment can't be applied to RL circumstances Kowah

i find this discussion a bit funny because one of the things that weirded me out when i was a newbie was the fact you could win after dead in the first place, didn't feel "right", but it also would be a completely different (and honestly kinda interesting) game if dead townies couldn't win, it would make townies kinda play like scum for the survivalist aspect.

(although site culture is such that a dead townie would still feel like they won anyway if town wins by the end)

[Lazy Shirou]

I've been playing probably 15 years.

I don't see a benefit in me wasting my time giving fake reads and pretending to be something. So I will not provide you with fake reads. I'm confident in my ability to lie about things and paint pictures if needed.

VOTE: kowah

i don't even think you're necessarily scum rn but i don't necessarily believe you can convincingly lie about reads either atm

you talk about needing more "info" to figure out the townies/scum but you don't even want to help me figure you out?

[Lazy Shirou]

@Kowah

3 fake reads with some good reasoning

that's all i'm gonna keep asking from you in this game. i need you to prove me and everyone else that you know how to lie so we can move from this.

from our PoV you can just be scum that doesn't know how to lie so far.

[Lazy Shirou]

i'm voting you because you spend a lot of time talking about identifying townies but can't help me with a small request for me to try to identify you if you're town.

it's a bit hypocritical, and scummy, unfortunately.

[Lazy Shirou]

my point is that you can be so bad at scum that you're lost and unable to fake reads

a lot of people have trouble faking reads as scum and it's often one of the scum hunting methods

it's hard to believe you've been playing those sort of games for 15 years but don't feel anything about other posts in d1, but i can try to buy it if you at least proved to me and everyone else that you can lie about reads.

if you can lie about reads, it means if you were ever scum here you decide to die on this hill intentionally rather than just faking reads as normal, which means to me you're a bit more likely town than not given i don't think it's a good scum tactic to make a "show" of "i've no reads".

however, if you can't fake good reads as scum, it does make sense for you to keep insisting on stuff like "d1 is useless" and etc, because you just have no other option.

can you help me sorting you by proving you can convincingly lie then? my point on requesting it is that if you give good fake reads i think you're most often than not just town here

[Lazy Shirou]

VOTE: Lazy Shirou openly saying you think someone is town and then voting them because they won't comply with your request feels like borderline blackmail...

well, i'm a literal terrorist

klick can confirm that i blackmail people frequently in mafia games

we just got out of white flag game where i kinda blackmailed furtive to vote someone in the next day if i voted with him on that day

[Lazy Shirou]

i take threads hostage that's what i usually do

not here though i'm vibing

chilling

mhm

[Lazy Shirou]

Shirou, read 434 from Kow

i've read it now

@kowah there's no way to "counter" a cop investigation in a "normal game" in this site

godfather is the mafia role that gives a green result to a cop but it's not allowed in this queue

[Lazy Shirou]

i just think that there's scum in [Herta/Gamma/Gryff] but i'm not okay with kowah just sliding "i have no reads" if he can't even prove to me he CAN lie as scum

it's such a small request to attempt sorting you

so you don't have reads other than andante which is very prob town, hm ok, how am i supposed to read you then you've only been talking about mafia theory

that's all i would ask of you for this day most likely unless you do something else that is scummy

fake 3 reads convincingly and prove to me that it's not just scum!you that has no idea what to say while everyone is sorting each other

[Lazy Shirou]

Shirou, read 434 from Kow

i've read it now

@kowah there's no way to "counter" a cop investigation in a "normal game" in this site

godfather is the mafia role that gives a green result to a cop but it's not allowed in this queue

mafia doctors and gunsmiths. The docs are innocent, I'm sure there's other "innocent" combinations

i don't consider "gunsmith" a "cop" andante...

if we were talking about investigatives in general, yeah sure, but not a cop

[Lazy Shirou]

my point is that you can be so bad at scum that you're lost and unable to fake reads

I mean, can we have

fake reads

from you then? Other than "Andante town x10"

Yeah, i'll half-ass a bit but here goes:

*

cough*

Spoiler: fake-read#1

I'm starting to get pings off Taly. She's asking other people for their opinion or takes but I don't feel like she has been following up on them that much, it's like she cares more about asking than the answer, looking like she's doing something rather than in fact to do something. There's even this post that I believe to highlight this quite well:

Herta
, enlist me. Ask me questions or tell me to do something.

You're the most familiar to me on this list.

It's not impossible that it's town!Taly and I think I've seen her play a bit like this as town, but I find that "looking busy" behavior more intense here. I believe not knowing what to look for in a game comes more often from scum than town although not in a super significant manner.

[Lazy Shirou]

YOOO so all this ISO talk, I went, how many posts do I have.. I have 80, which is almost 100, we're at 500 posts, 20% of the posts this game are me... I NEED MORE CONTENT FROM YALL!!!! lmaooo ok, I shall do my best to leave the game alone for a bit and let yall talk, also forgot to flip my vote

VOTE: Klick

Klick, can I see a current readslist from you?
(I will respond later! We need less Andante in this, cause 20% of the content being me? it's going to mess up my reads lol)

as the humble opinion of someone that early on felt like in his most recent scum game (white flag) Klick posts were kinda...?off/empty?, i think he has done quite a bit "real solving" here already

[Lazy Shirou]

oh wow i skimmed some of andante posts bc she's too obvtown to me and i thought when she said "i'm at the top of the list" i thought she meant i was one of her top town reads

i hadn't noticed she had voted me

feels bad

[Lazy Shirou]

being suspected is kinda tiring

[Lazy Shirou]

Your "fake read" felt more like a real read, is that your actual thought on Taly?

the fact you think that's a real/good read when it's just me completely and utterly lying/bullshit should tell you that i'm very capable of fooling you if i wanted to

i'm not posting that sort of stuff bc i'm not trying to fool you in the first place

all i want from this game is for kowa to do something other than be "too scummy to be scum" so that i can get back to voting gryff/herta/maybe gamma bc that's prob real scum

[Lazy Shirou]

What do you think of Klick?

he's town

just like me i feel he's more interested on solving stuff rather than tryharding on pretending to be solving stuff like he was doing in the white flag game

[Lazy Shirou]

It felt like you had a level of thought behind it, just like my Kow read, so then tell me what the point of a completely random read is? haha yeah thanks for not trying to fool me, like why did you ask Kow to do that?? if there's nothing to be gained?

i already explained myself

if kow is good on faking a read just like i did (which is what you basically do as scum in this game), i believe he's most likely town here bc it's not exactly the most reasonable strategy to just insist on "i've no reads" as scum and call that much attention to himself

if he can't fake a read as scum, he's obviously gonna try to spin it as he just doesn't believe on d1 or whatever

the point to be gained is a read on him depending on how well he knows how to fake a read. that's all and it makes complete sense to ask it even if it's weird.

[Lazy Shirou]

it's the second time i'm explaining myself on what there is to be gained on asking kowah to do that in fact

What is he actually solving though? his first post of the game was literally a "reads list" to say I was leaning town??

exactly

it's not a constructed post to look like he's solving, it's a bit silly and most likely bc he's trying to keep track of his own readlist to me

i also note down my readlist every now and then, and in the start of the game almost everyone is also at null (here you were in the town leans from the start from me skimming the game i guess)

maybe it's because it feels like a relatable post but i like it

[Lazy Shirou]

yeah pp is back to null

Lol - what is he actually solving?

he had takes on gryff and brick and expanded on them

but at the same time he isn't trying too hard to look like he's solving the game, he's doing it casually

it's relatable to me and i town lean him for that

[Lazy Shirou]

i like pp engaging but i don't think his pushes are that good so far

maybe not back to null idk

[Lazy Shirou]

I decided not to because mafia NKing you isn't really a fun way to lose the game

i would make it nightless imo

if you run it i would love to play it bc it would feel like a real death game

[Lazy Shirou]

I WUV THAT REPLACEMENT OH MY GOD

[Lazy Shirou]

FIRE COME TO SHITPOST WITH ME RN CAN YOU BELIEVE THEY'RE VOTING ANDANTE AND KLICK

[Lazy Shirou]

hi fire

sup fire

hello fire

[Lazy Shirou]

Where my friendly neighborhood shit poster run off too

i'm here

waiting for you to say something interesting

[Lazy Shirou]

I will be reading the first twenty pages this afternoon
I’m out eating with the fam right now

i see, have a good one fire

i would be cheeky and say something like "just make sure it's not something healthy" but that sounds rude if you're with others mhm

[Lazy Shirou]

sometimes i feel like i may not have enough reasons to truly just treat klick as town as andante but i wanna meme

[Lazy Shirou]

goodposting fire

interested on your thoughts in later pages

[Lazy Shirou]

what makes u think we're in separate rooms huh

[Lazy Shirou]

i mean if we got a room ur just gonna hear even louder noises coming from it that u would presume is us banging but really its us playing super smash

yes we would just be super smash'ing nothing sus here mhm

when did shirou get keys to my house

idk i found them by the street near it

i thought it was an invitation

[Lazy Shirou]

whats good about it. do u agree andante and gamma are weird. i thought u just said andante is town.

gamma yes

andante is prob town even if her logic at times is a bit weird, i think it's just her personality. i think andante pass me genuine excitement on solving the game and i don't think scum!andante can fake that too well bc she's just too spontaneous as town imo

[Lazy Shirou]

after dance game do u still somewhat trust my reads at all tho

i think the answer is prob not

i feel like mayb i should stop trying to convince others of my reads too much

[Lazy Shirou]

idk maybe either of klick or andant can be scum

i don't think so atm but who knows i guess

[Lazy Shirou]

gryff has a wagon on them now that's cool

i think 2/3 of the team may be gryff + one of herta/gamma

but hm, no idea who is the third if that's right, too convenient if that's all three

it's interesting that gryff has those two in their suspects as well but is pushing...andante which i think is town

[Lazy Shirou]

it seems like if i don't start screaming kowah isn't gonna do my request so i guess i'll just hop in my "real" scum read (kowah is kinda a pet scum lean, like, can easily be town but also could be scum lost at what to do)

VOTE: gryff

[Lazy Shirou]

i think gryff is at E-3 or E-2?

hope enchant updates VC

[Lazy Shirou]

Herta -
Seems to have a history with Gamma and knows their shit on how she plays. Even despite him suggesting to get me out of here, I'm going to say this is town, for the time being. This could be deflection and trying to push it off on Gamma. If Gamma is town, I'm gonna say Herta is scum, and vice versa.

i know i said i wouldn't use associatives but i feel like this is more of a individual thing that also doubles as associative rather than an associative on its own

this is a really weird thing to say. how would gamer so quickly conclude that herta just saying he's "going back and forth on gamma" means one of they must be scum?

i've seen this type of read quite a bit...but almost always coming from scum. not only that, they come often from scum when talking about a partner.

i feel like this is one of the weirdest posts in this game and a VERY UNNATURAL way to read Gamma/Herta, which also makes it look worse given i don't like either Gamma/Herta and think one of them may be scum (which reinforces this feeling like a informed read)

i think right now i would be fine voting either Gamma or Gryff.

resposting why i think gryff is scum with one of Herta/Gamma (could be both but kinda unlikely dunno)

[Lazy Shirou]

herta/gamma didn't have a lot of interaction at all for gryff to say they were either s/t or t/s

it sounds like an unnatural and informed read

[Lazy Shirou]

Shirou you're too smart to say I'm scum, get off the wagon

wat

why do u think i'm smart

[Lazy Shirou]

fire are u scum with gryff

[Lazy Shirou]

i like to be called smart but the problem is why does gryff think i'm so smart that i should "know better"? wanna see the last time someone told me "you're smarter/better than that?" what they flipped?

[Lazy Shirou]

it can come from town but i don't think gryff should have the image of me as "good"

i feel like he may be scum that i caught early on and that's why he assumes i'm "smart" idk

[Lazy Shirou]

@shirou reread my iso, seriously think about it, and then say out loud that

i'm

scum and

fire

's town

like, you're better than this and you know it

TheGoldenParadox

was eliminated

Day 2

. He was a

Mafia Goon

flashbacks

[Lazy Shirou]

FIRE ARE U DOING THE SITECHAT THING OF DEFENDING UR PARTNERS

[Lazy Shirou]

gryff who is scum then i don't think it's andante

[Lazy Shirou]

ur definitely convincing me that gamergfy is town and i had no opinion a minute ago on the guy

it's good scum theather

[Lazy Shirou]

fire are u scumclaimining

how do you think andante is scum here when she played completely different when she was your scum partner last time? give me a game where andante was scum and she was playing like this.

and why do u think i'm scum

[Lazy Shirou]

i can just be wrong on gryff and being dumb again, but if i'm right fire u need to die too unhappily

i can also shitpost with u though during it

[Lazy Shirou]

gun to my head it's gryff/herta/fire

alternatively gryff/gamma/fire but i don't think so i think it's the first by this point mayb

but this is just a dumb d1 attempt at hero, i just think that independently of anything, gryff is scummy and fire is a bit scummy for whiteknighting him and suspecting me/andante

you feel like andante is "forcing content" but you haven't shown me yet a scum game of her that you saw her doing it

like, she was just completely different as scum in the game she was your partner and it's weird you don't recognize that

p-edit: oh ok that's a better post

[Lazy Shirou]

she doesn't have recent scum games she said i think but yeah

dunno unless she had a wolfexplosion she's doing too good rn for me to suspect her

could be wrong but /shrug

[Lazy Shirou]

3) i don't believe u scumread me and this whole interaction is to look like ur trying to sort me.

why not i think gryff is scum and you're kinda siding with him and you told me you would do that next time even if it was half-joking

why it's not possible for me to sus you

[Lazy Shirou]

like, even if gryff is town i think fire is a bit weird but i also don't know how to read fire very well so mood

[Lazy Shirou]

what are u referencing with this "next time" did i make an off-hand joke and forget about it that u didn't or something

yeah if you claim to have forgotten it...ok

[Lazy Shirou]

guys is my new avi cute

i think it's cute i love the little annoying flying creature there that i listen to every new quest

[Lazy Shirou]

Hm, idk

UNVOTE:

[Lazy Shirou]

i'm willing to stop pushing gryff for now, even if he's scum i guess it's fine to let him play more and reads can always be wrong, but uh...i really can't stop scum leaning that Herta/Gamma read especially if one of Herta/Gamma ends up being scum, which i think rn has somewhat decent chances.

so i can't drop my read on gryff bc i don't town read his posts other than the AtE but i'm fine with dropping it for now

[Lazy Shirou]

i could vote gamma, she was in the bottom of my reads from the start of the game

VOTE: gamma

E-3

i haven't mulled over too much about what gamma posted recently though, will try to later

[Lazy Shirou]

klick defending gryff so hard is kinda creepy though regardless of gryff alignment

i think after Gryff's AtE it was justifiable but if gryff is really town i can't see why you were so sure of it since the *start*

it's difficult for me to understand how you town read his early posts and i think many agree with me given they voted him

[Lazy Shirou]

Hammering a super confirmable role before they claim? Really?

[Lazy Shirou]

If kowah or gryffindor isn't scum who is

I guess herta could still be

[Lazy Shirou]

*checks watch*

11:30 AM. Shirou is still scum.

*checks watch*

11:40 AM. Herta is not voting who they think is still scum.

Idk man PP feels kinda town

I think it may be a red role PM issue, he's gotta check for support before wagoning someone

[Lazy Shirou]

firstly, sorry for not having been around at the end of the last day, i was in a white van driving round the country.

VOTE: Klick

I will be taking no questions at this time.

i am going to assume you have way more tucked up your sleeve about this. to me it feels like a pretty strong night action.

having seen the two deaths, i can sense a theme running through all the roles

Lazy Shirou just setting off my scumdar btw. i've got nothing more than that on them, but they feel off

geraintm
- does nothing all day 1, explaining that he thinks day 1s are pointless and that's his playstyle, he's not going to do much
- comes in day 2 making an excuse for not being around in day 1, despite already explaining that he thinks day 1s are pointless.
- fishes for a PR on his first post of day 2

VOTE: geraintm

I shouldn't give town points for this but I feel so depraved of people with similar povs that you can get a golden star for today

I was also wondering if geraint is scum if neither gryff or kowah is

[Lazy Shirou]

I would like to talk to shirou more today.
Hey shirou u get that thing i sent u

Yes i felt ur love for me

[Lazy Shirou]

Ok herta is actuaĺly prob scum, I cant be that scummy to you but dont receive a vote

VOTE: herta

[Lazy Shirou]

you think im super scummy but wants to engage me rather than case/vote me it's so cute

I will grant ur wish i just need some time since im on mobile and posting is a pain

[Lazy Shirou]

Did geraintm make the kill last night?

???

Why are you focusing on the NK, I don't think it was a weird one, anyone could have done it

[Lazy Shirou]

In fact why do you even scum read me

[Lazy Shirou]

I didn't get anything I just felt your embrace in that cold green flip night

It was warm, like a firepup

[Lazy Shirou]

When herta needs to use a vague word like "performative" rather than talk about individual posts you can just feel the scum equity rising

Talking about geraint is easy, just bothersome on mobile

[Lazy Shirou]

I view this game as either gryff being scum and herta likely being one buddy or Kowah being scum for the max troll. If all of those people are town, and Andante is town, and I assume redFF, PP and maybe Klick are more likely town than scum for some good posts there and here, geraint becomes scum by PoE, so if my main suspects are wrong and most of my town leans are right, there's decent chances of geraint being scum due to...math. he also hasn't done anything remotely townie as far as I know.

I do kinda dislike klick defending players more than attacking scum reads but /shrug, he doesn't feel that scummy to me, maybe just wrong (or maybe right??)

[Lazy Shirou]

i kind of just want to kill my good bird friend penguin today.

Why

[Lazy Shirou]

Can I interest u on voting herta firepup

[Lazy Shirou]

I have thought about it and maybe herta is a okay way of sorting gryff as well

if herta flips town I will try to follow consensus on gryff being town, if herta is scum Its gonna be time for war

[Lazy Shirou]

the most interesting thing about herta to me is his attitude this game is way less passive than last game i just played with him.
Outside of that change in tone i don't see anything scummy there.

also the way scum treated herta last game makes me go for anyone who just pushes herta without like something of really good substance i can digest.

noice shade firepup

I appreciate it, the beach sun was starting to tan me by this point

Let's go for a quick swim later pls

I'm gonna drown u gently

[Lazy Shirou]

Kowah being scum and end gaming is definitely the funniest timeline

[Lazy Shirou]

Fire our reads are upside down again like in dance game

What do u think about that

[Lazy Shirou]

who could be easily convinced to vote herta

raise hands pls

[Lazy Shirou]

so if I vote elsewhere to trick you i can hammer later???

thx for the info

[Lazy Shirou]

do u not think one of klick/penguin is scum or what

Hm...I think theoretically they could be but It feels significantly less likely than just...scum!herta?

[Lazy Shirou]

who could be easily convinced to vote herta

raise hands pls

I currently scum read you a lot, so I will not vote anyone you want to vote.

but who is more scum than not.
actual legit question i am taking ur post as a mostly shit post here but who is not scum and who is more scum in ur eyes.

I think my only strong town read remaining is Andante

Then there's PP, Klick, redFF that could be scum but I just dont feel much of it

For last there is gryff/herta, and me thinking that kowah is a bit weird but maybe not necessarily alignment indicative

Geraint is more of a PoE

You I do kinda scum lean but /shrug, I have been wrong on you before so I'm trying to keep a open mind

[Lazy Shirou]

VOTE: shirou

There it is...finally.

He needed to attempt making a show of it to look like the reasonable person

I know u dont like me much PP but between me and herta who do u vote

[Lazy Shirou]

I view this game as either gryff being scum and herta likely being one buddy or Kowah being scum for the max troll. If all of those people are town, and Andante is town, and I assume redFF, PP and maybe Klick are more likely town than scum for some good posts there and here, geraint becomes scum by PoE, so if my main suspects are wrong and most of my town leans are right, there's decent chances of geraint being scum due to...math. he also hasn't done anything remotely townie as far as I know.

I do kinda dislike klick defending players more than attacking scum reads but /shrug, he doesn't feel that scummy to me, maybe just wrong (or maybe right??)

I'm bothered that you're hedging on me as much as you are I feel like I should be a fairly easy read for you in this game after last game

I liked you before you began to defend gryff and kowah so hard, and I dont like them

How is that not related to our past game

[Lazy Shirou]

Yes Fire pls be my white pup in shining armor

They want to kill me this is literally ?POGCRAZY?

I prob should go nap now tho I'm tired

[Lazy Shirou]

I will admit I haven't seriously read this game lately as well

I will try to effort a bit more once I have my PC again

But I don't want to force everyone to go with me on herta so if not strongarming people I can only shitpost

P-edit: PP is open to voting herta he is officially part of the justice league

[Lazy Shirou]

Andante if you get two other votes besides yours on herta I can let u be captain

I usually never let people be captain u should be honored mhm

[Lazy Shirou]

It is surface level, I still have you on the town leans

I'm still paranoid however

[Lazy Shirou]

Fire try to sell me on pp/klick please,I dont believe on it but I want to see your thought process. Like, if you're up to it quote some scummy posts from them maybe?

Out of everyone it's weird those two would pick your interest the most to me

Also what happened to ur andante read

[Lazy Shirou]

I would do the same for u if I could but not today mobile suxxxx

[Lazy Shirou]

I think I want to sort in [herta/gryff, kowah, geraint]

If not even one scum there I sux

[Lazy Shirou]

gonna have to wait till i get off work. be back later tonight hopefully

Oh okie good luck at work fire

Force many people into compliance pls

wuv u

[Lazy Shirou]

im town lads, remove me from your scumreads

unstoppable argument meets unmovable read

[Lazy Shirou]

This town feels a little rudderless, someone should come in and drop a fat juicy case, weve had 50 pages of posts now

Maybe I will fix that a bit when I get my PC working again

[Lazy Shirou]

i don't think i like the people voting klick or the case too much, i hope i'll have time for this tomorrow or so

[Lazy Shirou]

klick can you vote herta then if town

i think penguim is also willing to vote herta from our convo earlier

andante do u agree with me that if Gryff is scum Herta is also likely scum for the "if Gamma is town, Herta scum, and if Gamma is scum, Herta is town" when Gamma/Herta had so little interactions back then?

I believe gryff also completely gave up on that read even if gamma flipped town

[Lazy Shirou]

this game is doing an extremely good job of convincing me that my PoE really has scum

first it was me, then when i didn't work out herta/geraintm moved onto the klick wagon and i don't believe on klick wagon especially with an initial composition like this:

Klick(3): redFF, Herta, geraintm

redFF is the unique somewhat good feelings slot there to me but i think i'm lowering him a bit because i dislike the klick wagon to that point

[Lazy Shirou]

when my wagon doesn't work out herta just casually moves onto the bigger wagon

so much for believing i'm lockscum or something, not to mention not voting me from the start

herta isn't pushing his scum reads, he's just hopping onto wagons he thinks a mislim can go through, he also casually hopped on the gamma wagon by the end

[Lazy Shirou]

when my wagon doesn't work out herta just casually moves onto the bigger wagon

ok on hindsight it wasn't really the bigger wagon at the time but basically both herta/geraintm easily switches from me when redFF starts pushing Klick

it doesn't feel like they really believe on their scum read on me if they're THAT quick to give up on it

[Lazy Shirou]

it wasn't the bigger wagon but it was the vote with the most momentum from redFF case basically

[Lazy Shirou]

ACTUALLY

i'm giving MANY minus points to redFF because he started to push Klick after Klick had put [Herta, Geraintm, redFF] as a potential limpool

THEN that exact same people hop on a wagon in Klick

DUDE.

Can people actually just vote Herta or Geraintm? I think that between Herta/Geraintm I actively scumread Herta more as well so please can we go here first. I've been on this since D1, page 15.

[Lazy Shirou]

i can always be wrong and just being dumb but:

{

geraintm

,

Herta

, PenguinPower,

redFF

}

Klick(3):

redFF, Herta, geraintm

this is kinda ridiculous ngl. u think OMGUS is bad? get a load of three OMGUS on a row.

PP feels even more town now for the fact he unvoted klick maybe, why not push klick here if it's scum!PP and town!Klick? feels like the longer path and i'm not sure PP would take the longer path as scum.

if it ever was scum!PP and scum!Klick, i also don't think PP stop busing randomly like that, so PP feels good for me again

[Lazy Shirou]

i've not been paying too much attention to this game since page 15 bc i just have that much bloodlust for herta and everything i keep reading so far doesn't make me change my mind that he's potentially scum, and if he isn't geraintm may be.

so, this is a more...#low-effort-readlist, bc i've not been analyzing stuff as serious as i was up to page 15 in my first readlist, but this is where i'm at right now more or less:

[] - town read
[PP, Andante

²

] - town lean
[Klick] - nulltown
[Taly, Kowahbunga, Firebringer

¹

] - null
[RedFF] - nullscum
[GammerGryff, Geraintm] - scum lean
[Herta] - scum read

notes:

Firebringer¹

- i do suspect firebringer a bit but i've been wrong on him too many times to be confident here and either way he protected me when people were gunning for me and i know it can be whiteknighting but look i feel safe in his embrace right now so for the moment i'm gonna pretend he's town mhm even if that early interaction was also a bit weird

i think my wagon was scum motivated just like i feel klick's is right now and fire not piling up on me when in d1 he had me as a suspect makes me go into "ok u can be scum but also u can be just town and if u are scum i think u are helping a bit my town wincon by protecting me so ty ty i'll try to solve u more later, and if town just ty ty"

mhm very noice read

Andante²

- andante is starting to lose some of the stuff i found towny about her but he may just be really busy so uh for now i'll just trust a bit more what i saw from d1

[Lazy Shirou]

i think taly can easily be scum as well but i don't have a nice case for that, it's just PoE

Kowahbunga i'm getting a bit more unsure but unless he does something actually town rather than just a "ok this isn't really towny but so weird to do as scum so is he just town??" i'm not town leaning him at all

[Lazy Shirou]

he

may just be really busy so uh for now i'll just trust a bit more what i saw from d1

she*

sorry forgot to type a "s" there

[Lazy Shirou]

basically

i think u guys need to vote herta and that helps our wincon

pls and ty

[Lazy Shirou]

i'll leave it, interacting with you isn't helping at all.

i have no reason to think you are scum

(i just found your view on me odd and i was compelled to respond).

i am much more interested in Shirou

....

I am 99% sure herta is town.

If you're this level of confident that Herta is town, help me and everyone else see it.

VOTE: klick

:thonking:

is this a real progression

[Lazy Shirou]

the answer is on most worlds prob not

at least one of herta/geraintm is prob scum and we need to kill it

i would even go as far as to say that geraintm stuff didn't look s-s with herta but rather a whiteknight attempt if scum perhaps, but last time i tried to clear scummy slots bc of associatives i got clowned on so we aren't doing that here we're hopefully just limming scummy people

[Lazy Shirou]

geraintm basically:

> i don't think klick is scum, i'm MUCH more interested on shirou yeah. Herta is super town.
> "can u explain ur townread on herta geraintm?" - klick
>

votes klick

pikachusurprised.gif

[Lazy Shirou]

i'm barely reading this game and everytime i open geraintm/herta ISO they just scumpost on every other post

this menace needs to stop pls

i think i'm off again see u

[Lazy Shirou]

hat townies when someone says they are 99% sure someone else is town doesn't respect that

"RESPECT IT"

WAMFGIWAIGAWGIM

I DON'T NEED TO RESPECT IT DUDE U GOTTA EXPLAIN THAT SUPER STRONG TOWN READ

[Lazy Shirou]

I could be scum, but there is no way then that herta is scum too in this scenario.

i literally said that i think it's anti-associative between u two but idc about anti-associatives after two games in a row of clearing scummy slots bc "muh anti-associatives"

screw anti-associatives u both are scummy and need to go imo, if u are scum/town or town/scum, one of u is hard scum siding

ofc if klick or andante or whatever is scum and u are both town, i'm the one scumsiding and fuck me i guess

[Lazy Shirou]

can we lim one and then dayvig the other or something

i had herta as my main scum read but geraintm feels like whiteknighting scum right now

"respect my confident town read"

wtf

[Lazy Shirou]

is it bad that i think that was so funny that it lowered a bit my scum read on herta

i think it would be even weirder if both geraintm/herta were scum and herta just associated them so hard so i guess i'm coming around only one being scum perhaps idk

[Lazy Shirou]

herta i wuv u

made me giggle a lot

watched it at least 3 times by now

[Lazy Shirou]

VOTE: geraintm

[Lazy Shirou]

nahh

on second thought he made the effort to do that super funny video but isn't really pushing us back here

VOTE: herta~

i'm more unsure of herta being the scum but for now i'll sit here for a bit more

[Lazy Shirou]

geraintm, i'll say a single thing:

scum are multitasking in this setup according to enchant opening post.

the setup so far to me seems to involve PRs being loud, and i doubt that scum doesn't have a loud role on it

the multitasking part sounds to me like as if it's exactly made so that scum can nightkill and use their loud PR at the same time

if for any reason your "town read" on Herta is somewhat related to the above, i want you to drop it right now, but otherwise, fine, although i'm pretty interested on how you'll explain that bc i think depending on your answer it sounds like a scumclaim from your ISO in D1

[Lazy Shirou]

UNVOTE:

for now

[Lazy Shirou]

i've a lot of stuff to say about this setup as far as i understand it right now

i'm just not sure it's the right day for it but also don't know if i'm alive tomorrow although i should be given i'm suspected and not really doing much

[Lazy Shirou]

this may be one of the most fun normal setups i've played depending on the roles in massclaim

i like the seemingly theme of it

[Lazy Shirou]

also Fire, i think i can be wrong on PP bc i've only seen one or two scum games of his some time ago (a few more town games) but i just feel like PP is actually kinda engaged in solving the game in a way i don't feel much when he's scum

but it's kinda weak i guess maybe i could put him in nulltown, i just better about him compared to klick and wanted to highlight that

i don't think i'm interested on voting PP at all today and i would say prob even tomorrow, i think a lot other slots can be scum here more often than it just being PP

hm, i can be wrong tho, i'm not a PP expert

[Lazy Shirou]

if PP had unvoted when there was a bigger klick wagon i would even say PP is confidently town but i think he unvoted before people wagoned klick so uh, i think it's +town but sometimes i wonder if i know how to read PP at all

[Lazy Shirou]

ofc i'm not town reading him unvoting anymore now that i said it

[Lazy Shirou]

i just feel really puzzled why the two slots i feel best about [pp/andante] and to a lesser degree Klick are being pushed by so many people though...am i wrong, u guys are wrong, or is it mostly scum?

idk

[Lazy Shirou]

pp/andante don't really like me i think but this game is starting to feel somewhat like a dichotomy of [PP/Andante/Klick/Shirou] vs [Geraintm/Herta/Gryff/Fire/redFF]

then there's some people doing whatever or not a lot like Kowah and Taly


idk man i like the first bracket a lot more

there's a few exceptions like geraintm voting gryff and suspecting redFF on d1, but rn the first bracket is pushing the people in the second bracket mostly and the second bracket with a few exceptions again like redFF vs Geraintm or PP vs Klick is pushing people on the first

it sounds too easy for all scum to be there but i'm feeling my town leans attacked and i'm not sure if i'm hard wolfsiding or if it's just the wolves openwolfing

[Lazy Shirou]

But AtE is banned in this game right now.
By decree of his majesty, Firebringer the First of his name.

All acts of AtE henceforth will result in elimination by gifs.

*inserts AtE telling Fire he's really smelly and should take a bath fr*

[Lazy Shirou]

also

if we started eliminating people for not doing anything would we even have any players in this game.

wtf i'm being so helpful this game it hurts to see me try so HARD to wIn this gAmE for us tOwNiEs if u are gonna say stuff like that mhm

if u can't see how much sheer eFfOrT i'm putting in this gAmE idk what to tell u

[Lazy Shirou]

i cannot play this anymore for now mhm

firepup's bad fur smell is literally INTOLERABLE from where i'm seated

i've MULTIPLE times told him to use the NEW shampoo i brought him but he's just set in his old ways of licking his fur clear himself and it's clearly not working

literally unplayable

[Lazy Shirou]

my energy to read u guys post seriously is reaching the negatives

it's impressive

i'm having fun tho i'm still the top poster without even trying here and i'm gonna troll u all hard with my shitposts now that i'm seemingly cleared

[Lazy Shirou]

like i think i've clearly reached the point of not being in the mood to play mafia games seriously anymore

my competitive drive is near 0, and normally i would just see myself out on the door and enter hiatus but i'm staying for the shitposting in this game hell yeah

[Lazy Shirou]

i'm looking at alisae soul i mean fire and i'm trying to guess how much his tail is wagging rn

i don't think his tail is wagging that hard so is he just town here after all

was his scumposting all in my head all along

are we sure there isn't like 5 scum in this game

[Lazy Shirou]

fire u read on andante feels like bullshit

it's like u saw someone drop it while walking by the side of the street and then u were like "oh cool one scum read hell yeah" then u picked it and have been carrying it on ur pocket bc ur third party wincon is to lim my town leans

u said andante being excited to play the game is NAI

okie

HOW

explain like i'm five where u saw scum!andante this excited to play the game

why did u think it was NAI

how many games have u played with town/scum andante

what petshop do u want me to drop you at after this is over

[Lazy Shirou]

im def scum bro

no bro u need to be town

i don't wanna have to pew pew u

[Lazy Shirou]

u need to be town so that i'm actually cleared at this game and can shitpost and annoy everyone so hard but they still are unable to lim me for it

it's gonna be so fun

u gotta be town fire

u GOTTA be

[Lazy Shirou]

okie wow wait i just had like a galaxy milky way brain realization/plan that u guys are gonna find out the explanation in d3 or whenever i feel like it at some point

fire is town

wrap it up

[Lazy Shirou]

if andante is scum r u going to sheep me forever this game then

if andante is scum i think u may be busing but fuck me i'll sheep u and pretend u can't be a wolf in that world

[Lazy Shirou]

if andante is town i make zero promises to sheep u.

literally unplayable

[Lazy Shirou]

fire are u enjoying #done-with-mafiagames-competitively-rightnow-shirou?

rate this new update/patch pls

the devs are wondering if it should be permanent content or just seasonal

[Lazy Shirou]

if andante is town i make zero promises to sheep u.

literally unplayable

NO ONE EVER SAID I WOULD MAKE A

FAIR DEAL

i must

[Lazy Shirou]

hmmmmmmmmm it has some bugs the devs need to work out.
Not enough gifs are a lacking feature.

7/10

the bugs aren't actual

bugs

it's a

feature

but gifs shall be implemented in the next hotfix

servers are too slow for it rn

[Lazy Shirou]

oh wow look at what we've here waw it's a gryff wagon again wow

¿ waw are we actually doing this wow ?

[Lazy Shirou]

i've thought gryff may be scum since page 15 but wanted to let him play for a bit given i can be wrong and i know it sucks to die so quickly in a game you waited awhile to play, but uh kowah just slids into every wagon in a way that doesn't feel like he has real reads

do u even believe on anything strongly kowah

u sound like the kind of guy to just go along with room temperature atm and i'm wondering if it's alignment indicative

[Lazy Shirou]

i don't think u have pushed the people you scum read as much as you've tried to explain/excuse your own behavior and voted the consensus top wagons

there's only a single post in your ISO that i kinda like and i'm holding off saying which it is for now

[Lazy Shirou]

Thats not me shading shirou.
Thats me making fun of shirou

fire is always bullying me...

he said i was crazy in a previous game's dead thread...!!!

i need an adult

[Lazy Shirou]

You sound like someone who hasn't read anything I've posted this game.

u mean i sound like someone that hasn't read anything in the whole game

[Lazy Shirou]

¿ waw are we actually doing this wow ?

yes - join us

i thought we would be giving him one more day to keep playing scum he said he liked it

alternatively i'm afraid of him being town and me just ruining his fun as well, but yeah maybe i should vote him even if it feels a bit bad somewhere in my heart, especially if he's actually town

[Lazy Shirou]

if he flips scum i think we gotta kill herta tomorrow

[Lazy Shirou]

this wagon has risen up so fast again tho

are u guys busing or is this really just that easy of a limbait for scum

deep questions

p-edit: fair i think i'm too curious about his flip even though it's curious how his wagon got close to lim so quickly on both days

p-edit 2: i went back to check votecount and i think it's E-1, so Gryff should claim.

VOTE: Gryff

[Lazy Shirou]

lol?

[Lazy Shirou]

this game feels like it's gonna be a shitshow if this doesn't flip scum tbh

[Lazy Shirou]

I want geraint and herta to claim instead or after andante though.

[Lazy Shirou]

i want the voyeur to visit me

i promise to actually give you a good show

[Lazy Shirou]

geraintm you're either claiming or i'm voting you because i think you're just so likely to be scum with those flips

[Lazy Shirou]

i want the voyeur to visit me

i promise to actually give you a good show

don't fall into this trap voyeur

this honey trap you mean