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Post Post #1550 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:34 am

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In post 1548, Aristeia wrote:
In post 1546, Black wrote: It didn't feel like townie progression to me. Idk what else to tell you.
Yes my point is that it shouldn't shock you if someone you are accusing of being wolf does something that is not townie because that's what wolves are supposed to do?
Before Ali's reaction I was leaning wolf. I wasn't sure, but I thought red made good points earlier in the game and the way they were dismissed by Ali was kinda sus to me. So I voted and asked for reads. Her following reaction shocked me. I wasn't expecting her to shit on me and the way I play mafia, or my intelligence
I scumread Alianna.

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Post Post #1551 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:39 am

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ok but where are the personal attacks prior to 1379?

I've reread that section and I don't really see how she's shitting on you.

1373 917pm: Ali responds to your request for reads by putting you in her towncore with a large number of other names, she states how she feels about others as well. It feels like she's just dumping where everyone is in her mind onto the page. She states she's disinterested in the game and not motivated but she's also promising to be committed to playing

1374 918pm: she states she's sort of skimming and not deep reading, she states she's putting this game on the "back burner" because when she finds the motivation she'll really deepread everything.

1376 923pm: she says she wants to take black out of towncore, says maybe black is town but the gameplay could be wolf because the votes are pretty bad ig - i dunno.

1377 925pm: she states black throws around omgus and votes people who do that.

1378 925pm: she states if she voted black right now he would probly turbo tunnel me because omgus.

1379 928pm: Black: "Did my vote bother you? I thought you were going to put the game on the back burner"


like the most insulting thing you could maybe squint at is 1377/1378 which is her saying you like to use omgus a lot?
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Post Post #1552 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:41 am

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In post 1486, Gimli wrote:big wagon with thin reasoning behind, early trenders are towny but the late people in it are sketchy slots, seems you're getting piled on

do you seriously need other people to tell you there's scum in your wagon? do you think you're being wagoned by six townies instead? I'm perplexed you're picking this post of mine, out of all the posts I made, to be sus on. if you're town you must certainly share my line of reasoning here??? like
maybe he's not town lol
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Post Post #1553 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:43 am

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In post 1551, Aristeia wrote: ok but where are the personal attacks prior to 1379?

I've reread that section and I don't really see how she's shitting on you.

1373 917pm: Ali responds to your request for reads by putting you in her towncore with a large number of other names, she states how she feels about others as well. It feels like she's just dumping where everyone is in her mind onto the page. She states she's disinterested in the game and not motivated but she's also promising to be committed to playing

1374 918pm: she states she's sort of skimming and not deep reading, she states she's putting this game on the "back burner" because when she finds the motivation she'll really deepread everything.

1376 923pm: she says she wants to take black out of towncore, says maybe black is town but the gameplay could be wolf because the votes are pretty bad ig - i dunno.

1377 925pm: she states black throws around omgus and votes people who do that.

1378 925pm: she states if she voted black right now he would probly turbo tunnel me because omgus.

1379 928pm: Black: "Did my vote bother you? I thought you were going to put the game on the back burner"


like the most insulting thing you could maybe squint at is 1377/1378 which is her saying you like to use omgus a lot?
I've already explained my thoughts about our interaction in this post. It's fine if you don't see it as her being rude to me. That's the way I see it
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Post Post #1554 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:46 am

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In post 1426, Black wrote: I need to get some rest now. This progression is still the scummiest thing I've seen in this game
In post 1392, Black wrote: I was in your towncore a few minutes ago > you move me to just town > you question my votes and phrasing > you threaten to vote for me? > you say I'm playing like a wolf > you get upset and question my ability to play mafia...
the thing about this is you're saying Alisae is being opportunistic in the way she is treating your slot and it depends on how you are treating her slot. As in she's townreading you but once you turned on her, she flipped her townread and is pushing you.

However she never expressed a townread on you prior to 1373. Just flipping through her iso the only "read" if you can call it that on you is from 554 which is not a townread at all.

It seems much simpler for ali!scum to re-read first, decide she wants to keep you outside of her townread/core section and then enter the thread that way and push you or ignore you, rather than haphazardly placing you inside and then progressing down to wolf read.

you could say she's lost track of where you are in her reads because she has fake reads and misplaced you into towncore then began faking a progression - but that begs the question that if her reads are fake why didn't she just start off with you in the scumlean section? It feels much cleaner and less performative and I think would be preferable for her.
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Post Post #1555 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:49 am

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In post 1553, Black wrote: I've already explained my thoughts about our interaction in this post. It's fine if you don't see it as her being rude to me. That's the way I see it
which comment from her prior to 1379 did you see as rude/personal?
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Post Post #1556 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:51 am

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In post 1507, SirCakez wrote: i still think Ari is scummy and there's prolly a scum or two inside (CSF, Asri, Red)
Why do you still think Ari is scum? you seem to have conceded that your points for scumreading her were not good

Spoiler:
In post 1120, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1095, Firebringer wrote:
In post 1052, SirCakez wrote:
In post 917, Firebringer wrote: I would posit that scum her would be more focused on arguing over reasons for scumreading.
ok but I feel like that's exactly what is happening. like the posts I just replied to her on were her debating on her meta and asking me to elaborate on my reasons for SRing her. it feels like she's mad I came for her so early off of not that much.
why would scum her be mad at u for coming at her with not much.

idk about u but when i am scum and i see a weak ass push by town on me with not much i laugh. I don't get mad.
i guess okay
In post 1121, SirCakez wrote:
ugh Fire and Ari are actually making good points

im moving my vote this post pinged me a bit ago
In post 1032, Gimli wrote: Sorry I zoned out of this game and there's a lot of pages to read now, I'll pretty much do it later
this feels like scum worried about being pushed for not posting

VOTE: gimli
In post 1128, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1126, Aristeia wrote:
In post 1117, SirCakez wrote: tweet's opening felt super forced and ungenuine

110 and especially 187
if you think 110 was forced and ungeniune - how do you miss that I immediately push her on 110 in
the very next post
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Why do you say that I'm not scumhunting when my thoughts are literally the same as yours are purported to be at that point in time and I am interacting in real time to push the same point that you make?
yeah yeah okay i fucked up
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Post Post #1557 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:54 am

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I'm retracting my sircakez townread
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Post Post #1558 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:57 am

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I do agree she was rude to you
In post 1553, Black wrote: It's fine if you don't see it as her being rude to me.
I do agree that she was needlessly rude to you and crossed the line multiple times later in the exchange and raged pretty hard. I hope it doesn't happen again. The issue I have is that I suspect you incited her intentionally because I can't really understand how the comments you made are not meant to incite. I hope I'm wrong because it seems kind of icky for you to do that. I'm trying to understand your mindset about why you did what you did.

I think Alisae did what she did because she was angry and pissed off - this is unfortunately not useful for reading Ali because I've seen her do this as both alignments - I've even seen her do this as scum to another scumbuddy. It's not really useful for gauging either of your alignments.
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Post Post #1559 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 6:57 am

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In post 1535, Aristeia wrote:its funny because gimlis view of the cakes wagon and cakes view of his own wagon is completely different and he hasnt figured out why this is when the answer is sort of obvious.
dunno i think him acting like he should be above suspicion merely for defending cakez is a bit trash, it's the way he defaulted to "go after them not me" and downgrading his read on cakez in the face of it, too self-image conscious rather than interested in finding scum?

also not sure cakez-scum bites the hand that's trying to feed him like that tbh. unless he's trying to make them look unaligned lmao
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Post Post #1560 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:05 am

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scum gimli trying to rescue scum cakes from his wagon of townies and cakes slapping him away would be the best timeline pls datisi make it happen
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Post Post #1561 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:07 am

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In post 1555, Aristeia wrote:which comment from her prior to 1379 did you see as rude/personal?
Can we not? This interaction last night took a lot out of me and I'm not sure why you feel the need to tunnel on it and relive it. Why is this all you can think about? Do you think I'm scum? Please make a case if you do. I'm tired of talking about Alisae being rude to me
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Post Post #1562 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:11 am

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In post 1561, Black wrote:
In post 1555, Aristeia wrote:which comment from her prior to 1379 did you see as rude/personal?
Can we not? This interaction last night took a lot out of me and I'm not sure why you feel the need to tunnel on it and relive it. Why is this all you can think about? Do you think I'm scum? Please make a case if you do. I'm tired of talking about Alisae being rude to me
I am asking you because I don't know what your alignment is. I've been thinking about other things too, it just happens this was something that stuck in my mind because it's somewhat prominent.

We don't have to talk about this. I'll leave it alone.
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Post Post #1563 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:13 am

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In post 1562, Aristeia wrote:
In post 1561, Black wrote:
In post 1555, Aristeia wrote:which comment from her prior to 1379 did you see as rude/personal?
Can we not? This interaction last night took a lot out of me and I'm not sure why you feel the need to tunnel on it and relive it. Why is this all you can think about? Do you think I'm scum? Please make a case if you do. I'm tired of talking about Alisae being rude to me
I am asking you because I don't know what your alignment is. I've been thinking about other things too, it just happens this was something that stuck in my mind because it's somewhat prominent.
That's fair. I've been thinking about it a lot too obviously but I don't want to tunnel on her so I try to push it out

I don't mind the questioning if you're just trying to gauge my alignment but I'm just not sure what else to say about it
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Post Post #1564 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:16 am

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meh i could be wrong about cakez i really don't like him coming back and calling people's lists trash with no elaboration after reading it back again
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Post Post #1565 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:19 am

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In post 1525, Datisi wrote: GIMLI [2]: SirCakez, redFF
it is pretty wild he called redff's list trash and now they're voting for White Dwarf Knight Gimli together

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Post Post #1566 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:19 am

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imagine if they all were scum together. it'd be pretty funny
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Post Post #1567 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:31 am

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Cakez, red and mistyxx all look scummier the past four pages I skimmed.

That is all.

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Post Post #1568 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 7:52 am

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maybe red is just mafia who is interacting weird with gimli

ig that probably makes more sense
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Post Post #1569 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 10:43 am

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Post Post #1570 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 11:58 am

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Spoiler: gimli at cakez
In post 1475, Gimli wrote:
In post 1470, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1137, Gimli wrote: was someone pushing me?
no but there is going to be very soon with your current play
I've been defending you
In post 1476, Gimli wrote: why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?
In post 1498, Gimli wrote:
In post 1488, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1476, Gimli wrote: why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?
wtf? this post is scummy af. you dont get towncred just for defending me
okay you do you

but let me go back to this question: do you think your wagon has scum in it? if yes, who?

Gimli feels a bit extra betrayed here, it sort of feels like scum who knows the cakez wagon is off but then cakez goes at him anyway and it's like WHAT. I guess that was an obvious possible conclusion that's already been brought up though. The "I've been defending you." post doesn't exactly sit right
In post 1486, Gimli wrote:
In post 1477, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1161, Gimli wrote: SIRCAKEZ [6]: Aristeia, Alisae, Klick, Cat Scratch Fever, Asri Teroka, redFF

I promise you there is scum in this wagon
how are you so certain on this? who are the scum here?
big wagon with thin reasoning behind, early trenders are towny but the late people in it are sketchy slots, seems you're getting piled on

do you seriously need other people to tell you there's scum in your wagon? do you think you're being wagoned by six townies instead? I'm perplexed you're picking this post of mine, out of all the posts I made, to be sus on. if you're town you must certainly share my line of reasoning here??? like
Something about this "It's pointless to be examining me when there's 4 people voting for you" feels not true, like you're implying Cakez having a suspicion on you can't exist with cakez also suspecting ppl wagoning him. But can't he do both? It's not like suspecting you closes off the possibility of there being scum on the wagon.

Also, of course, ditto on the "It could be 6 townies yes" point as well
In post 1493, Gimli wrote:
In post 1485, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1476, Gimli wrote: why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?
i now want to vote this because this looks like scum mad over a failed pocket
okay but don't you think it's strange that the guy is being piled on but picks my posts to be suspicious about? I'm a little flabbergasted, IDK what to make of it
I guess this is the heart of the issue. Are you really implying because 6 ppl are voting Cakez, then him expressing a suspicion on you is strange? It doesn't feeel that weird. But I'm willing to hear more about this
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Post Post #1571 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:01 pm

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In post 1524, Gimli wrote:
In post 1520, SirCakez wrote: like again
In post 1476, Gimli wrote: why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?
this is possibly the scummiest post in the game
you live in an alternate reality.

I think your wagon is suspicious, I think there's scum in it. I happen to think you're town, meaning you're on my side, meaning I get to defend you from the wolves piling onto your wagon. IDK, maybe that's scummy, I have no clue how that's your perspective out of all the players itg, but okay.
Ok but from my pov there is a fuckton of motivation for you to come in here as scum esp cuz it seems like the wagon is stalled out and prolly won't go through in its current iteration. Why should I assume you are town for doing the bare minimum to crap on a shitty wagon on me?
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Post Post #1572 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:06 pm

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This one feels Gimli is fine, Tweeter of the Morn.
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Post Post #1573 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:15 pm

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In post 1570, Morning Tweet wrote:
Spoiler: gimli at cakez
In post 1475, Gimli wrote:
In post 1470, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1137, Gimli wrote: was someone pushing me?
no but there is going to be very soon with your current play
I've been defending you
In post 1476, Gimli wrote: why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?
In post 1498, Gimli wrote:
In post 1488, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1476, Gimli wrote: why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?
wtf? this post is scummy af. you dont get towncred just for defending me
okay you do you

but let me go back to this question: do you think your wagon has scum in it? if yes, who?

Gimli feels a bit extra betrayed here, it sort of feels like scum who knows the cakez wagon is off but then cakez goes at him anyway and it's like WHAT. I guess that was an obvious possible conclusion that's already been brought up though. The "I've been defending you." post doesn't exactly sit right
In post 1486, Gimli wrote:
In post 1477, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1161, Gimli wrote: SIRCAKEZ [6]: Aristeia, Alisae, Klick, Cat Scratch Fever, Asri Teroka, redFF

I promise you there is scum in this wagon
how are you so certain on this? who are the scum here?
big wagon with thin reasoning behind, early trenders are towny but the late people in it are sketchy slots, seems you're getting piled on

do you seriously need other people to tell you there's scum in your wagon? do you think you're being wagoned by six townies instead? I'm perplexed you're picking this post of mine, out of all the posts I made, to be sus on. if you're town you must certainly share my line of reasoning here??? like
Something about this "It's pointless to be examining me when there's 4 people voting for you" feels not true, like you're implying Cakez having a suspicion on you can't exist with cakez also suspecting ppl wagoning him. But can't he do both? It's not like suspecting you closes off the possibility of there being scum on the wagon.

Also, of course, ditto on the "It could be 6 townies yes" point as well
In post 1493, Gimli wrote:
In post 1485, Mistyx wrote:
In post 1476, Gimli wrote: why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?
i now want to vote this because this looks like scum mad over a failed pocket
okay but don't you think it's strange that the guy is being piled on but picks my posts to be suspicious about? I'm a little flabbergasted, IDK what to make of it
I guess this is the heart of the issue. Are you really implying because 6 ppl are voting Cakez, then him expressing a suspicion on you is strange? It doesn't feeel that weird. But I'm willing to hear more about this
I think defending myself is pointless cause this is all dumb but I'll note one thing: the "I've been defending you" bit is to cakez saying what I'm posting is gonna get me scumread. Note that he was throwing shade at me already with the "this is scum who is afraid he'll be scumread for lack of posting" bit, I ask him who's scumreading me and he says that. So I point to cakez, like, what I've been doing since that post, and yes I do think it's absolutely nuts that he doesn't have the intuition to check on his wagon first before throwing random shit at me.

But I don't feel that interaction is "weird", I've come to terms that cakez might be scum, there's scum bussing him which is why I was alarmed by the wagon, which is also why my instinct was to defend him and townread him. It's dumb but it's how I was reading the game before.

I think it was CSF who showed cakez' poor progression on Ari, from scumreading to admitting poor understanding of her posts, to scumreading again. I felt his position wrt me was similarly unidimensional now, cause it went from throwing shade due to my self aware inactivity to throwing more shade and flat out call me open wolfing!! For thinking there's scum in his wagon and it being a weird wagon.
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Post Post #1574 (ISO) » Tue Feb 07, 2023 12:21 pm

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In post 1572, Asri Teroka wrote: This one feels Gimli is fine, Tweeter of the Morn.
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