Open 102- Lover Mafia (Game Over) before 712

SensFan · Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:03 pm

Vote: sekinj

SensFan · Post Post #12 (isolation #1) » Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:07 pm

Noted that you do not wish to hammer sek.

SensFan · Post Post #14 (isolation #2) » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:00 am

I'm fine with a vote, and won't back down at all. I think it is a very realistic possibility that SP is either buddies with Sekinj (in which case hammering is an insta-loss) or else that he's Scum with someone else and knows hammering likely leads to him being lynched tomorrow, losing.

SensFan · Post Post #16 (isolation #3) » Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:59 am

Hey look, even more reluctance to vote! Put your vote where your mouth is.

SensFan · Post Post #22 (isolation #4) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:04 am

sekinj wrote:wow. that's strange how someone named sensfan isn't making any sense. You SERIOUSLY wanted to hammer me on the first page??

Maybe I did; maybe I didn't. What matters is that SP didn't do it. Didn't even vote me until I called him on it.

SensFan · Post Post #26 (isolation #5) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:28 am

SilverPhoenix wrote:
SensFan wrote:Maybe I did; maybe I didn't.
Oooh, mysterious. Why do you have something to hide about trying to roll sekinj?

Maybe. Let's put it this way, do you think I have more motivation as Scum to call for a page 1 hammer than as Town?

SilverPhoenix wrote:
SensFan wrote:What matters is that SP didn't do it. Didn't even vote me until I called him on it.
What does this suggest? That you are my lover? That I'm actually
careful
with my vote?
Not impressed either way.

Really? I have no votes on me, would need

4

to be lynched, I commit something you consider rather scummy, and you think its normal not to vote me? That's both bullshit and ridiculous. I suggest you concede the point, or I will meta you and 95% likely bust you for lying.

SensFan · Post Post #29 (isolation #6) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:29 am

SilverPhoenix wrote:
SensFan wrote:I suggest you concede the point, or I will meta you and 95% likely bust you for lying.
Go right ahead. I find myself almost never voting for lynched players. Check my wiki for my newbie game, Mini Normal 682, and Mini Theme 693 for all the times I am not involved in the lynch. I'm not saying that it is a good thing, but I do it a lot, so consider it a meta.

Are you quite certain you do not want me to meta the fact you are defending your not voting for me?

SensFan · Post Post #30 (isolation #7) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:29 am

charter wrote:sekinj, hammer sens.

I endorse this product and/or service.

SensFan · Post Post #32 (isolation #8) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:16 pm

Town should never self-hammer.

SensFan · Post Post #36 (isolation #9) » Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:18 pm

sekinj wrote:
SensFan wrote:Town should never self-hammer.
town shoudl never want to put scum closer to winning either. What good is it to the town if you a townie asking to be hammered on page 2? seriously, ask for replacement.

Whoa, back up. You expect me to believe that you thought I actually agreed with a hammer on ANYONE on pages 1/2?

You wanting me replaced has been noted.

SensFan · Post Post #40 (isolation #10) » Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:28 am

charter wrote:
SensFan wrote:Town should never self-hammer.
Also, Ironic coming from you.

Not sure where you get that. Never self-hammered as Town, or encouraged anyone else to self-hammer as Town.

SensFan · Post Post #41 (isolation #11) » Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:31 am

sekinj wrote:@sens - then explain yourself. If you are town, why would it be good for the town to lynch you on page 2?

If anyone hammered me, ANYONE, they are Scum. It's that simple.

sekinj wrote:I want you to ask for replacement if you are wanting yourself lynched just to get out of the game.

I don't believe that you actually believe that.

sekinj wrote:I don't know why else you would be so determined to encourage everyone to lynch you so early. Please explain.

Or that.

I don't buy that you think I wanted to be lynched. I think you are trying to convince someone who is not your buddy to hammer me, and when you saw that wasn't working because your buddy can't even vote me without me pushing for him to vote me, you decide to try and get me replaced.

SensFan · Post Post #43 (isolation #12) » Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:52 am

Oh, that's completely different, and is one of the several well-documented clauses. We had a forced win if a Townie was lynched, the Doc didn't claim, and the Cop didn't have an Innocent on said Townie.

SensFan · Post Post #45 (isolation #13) » Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:46 am

ZazieR wrote:So what was the use of bringing NG 638 up?

I didn't. He was technically correct that I have self-hammered, although (as I explained) it has no relevance to any "Town should never self-hammer" discussion.

SensFan · Post Post #47 (isolation #14) » Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:09 pm

You are Scum looking for a quick lynch. You don't want to hammer me. Your buddy doesn't even have the balls to put a first vote on me, so you are trying to get me to hammer myself. Failing that, you wanted me replaced.

SensFan · Post Post #50 (isolation #15) » Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:18 pm

Performing a meta on SP. I expect I'll be back after checking the first game I see in his post history expaining how scummy this line of his is.

SensFan · Post Post #51 (isolation #16) » Tue Nov 25, 2008 4:30 pm

Hey look, I was right. Most recent completed game that SP did not replace into, Mini 483. Hey look, he random-voted in his first post.

SP, I have a question for you: If you can randomly vote someone for having an unpronouncable username, why can you not vote someone for something you consider scummy?

SensFan · Post Post #53 (isolation #17) » Wed Nov 26, 2008 6:55 am

SilverPhoenix wrote:
SensFan wrote:You are Scum looking for a quick lynch. You don't want to hammer me. Your buddy doesn't even have the balls to put a first vote on me, so you are trying to get me to hammer myself. Failing that, you wanted me replaced.
1. My vote was the second. ZazieR voted for you first. Technical, but precise enough to show you are twisting the blatant facts.
2. Repeating the fact that I am scum refusing to hammer my buddy isn't going to make it truer. If I hadn't posted and say ZazieR did a random vote, you would have done the same to her. The fact was that you are supporting a true, yet weak argument to suggest I'm scum. As I said before, scum make weak arguments because they can't make any other ones.
3. How can she be looking for a quicklynch AND not be voting for anyone? And why is it okay for you to push a lynch on page 1 and not sekinj on page 2? You can't say I am scummy for
not
voting for a superquicklynch and say that sekinj is scummy for wanting a quicklynch. Can't have it both ways.

1. Wow, I make a absolutely minor, irrelevant, inconsequential mistake and I am 'twisting the blatant facts'?
2. Of course I would have. Random lynches favour the Town...
3. Because she doesn't want to be seen on the wagon. There is a difference in the wagons. Sek's was random, mine is Scum-driven.

SensFan · Post Post #55 (isolation #18) » Wed Nov 26, 2008 12:17 pm

SilverPhoenix wrote:
Sensfan wrote: SP, I have a question for you: If you can randomly vote someone for having an unpronouncable username, why can you not vote someone for something you consider scummy?
How are those two related? They aren't, really.
In one of my current games (I'm dead in it), there was another guy exactly like you (iLord) who had a problem with me not putting my vote where my mouth was. I really don't see why when and who I vote for when I make arguments is your business. Just because I find one thing about a player scummy, it doesn't mean that I think he is scum, cut and dry. The tunnelvision that both you and iLord have simply looks ridiculous when you step back from it.

Can I get some of the crack you are on which has you seeing things this way? Seriously, if you are willing to vote for someone having a funny name, you should ALWAYS 100% be willing to vote (in the "random") stage for someone doing ANYTHING EVEN MINUTELY SCUMMY.

Will respond to the rest tonight. For now, the fact that I said first when I should have said second doesn't defuse my argument in the slightest.

SensFan · Post Post #57 (isolation #19) » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:52 pm

SilverPhoenix wrote:The fact is that the lynch that you say is "random" clearly isn't anymore

Right. There's 2 people in this game who should oppose a random lynch forming on the "wrong" person. Town has no reason not to end the Day in 5 posts.

SensFan · Post Post #59 (isolation #20) » Wed Nov 26, 2008 2:58 pm

I'm thinking SP. sek could in theory be Town that didn't want to be lynched. SP has no excuse for not wanting sek lynched.

Unvote, Vote: SP

SensFan · Post Post #63 (isolation #21) » Thu Nov 27, 2008 7:11 am

SilverPhoenix wrote:
SensFan wrote:Can I get some of the crack you are on which has you seeing things this way? Seriously, if you are willing to vote for someone having a funny name, you should ALWAYS 100% be willing to vote (in the "random") stage for someone doing ANYTHING EVEN MINUTELY SCUMMY.
Yes, in the random voting stage, I am willing to
VOTE
for any random reason. However, I am
NOT GOING TO LYNCH
for any random reason. There is a huge difference between the two, and like I said, I'll be damned if I
EVER
do that.
There are levels of scumminess. The higher ones deserve votes, the lower ones don't IMO. LIKE I ALREADY SAID, it shouldn't make one bit of difference where my vote is to you. You don't control my vote, I do. Stop trying to enforce your black-and-white view of scumminess on me and saying I'm scummy for not sharing it.

Explain how putting a first (oh, I mean second. Damn, that ruins the whole argument right there...) vote on someone means lynching them.

SensFan · Post Post #65 (isolation #22) » Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:56 am

The meta, though, was based on your claim it was not unusual for you to not even vote me.

SensFan · Post Post #71 (isolation #23) » Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:52 pm

You fucking FoS'ed me. Finger of SUSPICION.

SensFan · Post Post #77 (isolation #24) » Sun Nov 30, 2008 3:38 pm

SilverPhoenix wrote:
SensFan wrote:Hey look, even more reluctance to vote! Put your vote where your mouth is.
You think FOS's are weak by that quote (right?), yet you say I am creating grand accusations against your position with that FOS. If that isn't what you meant, then just say so, don't get so emotional. Tilt isn't a-ok.

A fucking FoS means shit-all. You should never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever have an FoS on someone if you're not voting anyone unless that person is at Lynch-1. [/teach]

SensFan · Post Post #86 (isolation #25) » Mon Dec 01, 2008 1:53 pm

SilverPhoenix wrote:
SensFan wrote:
SilverPhoenix wrote:
SensFan wrote:Hey look, even more reluctance to vote! Put your vote where your mouth is.
You think FOS's are weak by that quote (right?), yet you say I am creating grand accusations against your position with that FOS. If that isn't what you meant, then just say so, don't get so emotional. Tilt isn't a-ok.
A fucking FoS means shit-all. You should never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever have an FoS on someone if you're not voting anyone unless that person is at Lynch-1. [/teach]
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOh. That isn't my definition of FOS, but I understand more clearly where you are coming from. I think of it as the wiki version (not that the wiki is all knowing): It can be an implicit way of saying "I might vote for you." That is what I meant by my FOS, as I most certainly didn't mean a vote when I made it. I simply voted afterward because you asked me to.

What's the point in that? If you have a vote availible, I'm nowhere near hammer-point, and you "might" vote me, just grow a pair and vote me.

SensFan · Post Post #97 (isolation #26) » Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:20 pm

Zazier needs to come and hammer SP. Or vote sek so rolf, charter and I can move onto him.

SensFan · Post Post #99 (isolation #27) » Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:28 pm

SilverPhoenix wrote:Was it that way even from the moment I didn't kill sekinj?

I was about 75% sure when you didn't hammer. The fact you then failed to vote me brought it to 90%.

SensFan · Post Post #106 (isolation #28) » Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:40 pm

Fuck this. This should convince you dumb fuckers.

Vote: charter

.

Sorry man, its for a good cause. I'll make sure these fuckers lynch Scum tomorrow.

SensFan · Post Post #152 (isolation #29) » Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:42 pm

sek, you better not be blaming me. You clearly completely blew the game single-handedly...

SensFan · Post Post #158 (isolation #30) » Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:06 am

SilverPhoenix wrote:I wasn't really anticipating that sekinj would vote for Sens

Really? sek had been playing 100% driven by emotions and OMGUS. Which is why he was obvScum.

SensFan · Post Post #160 (isolation #31) » Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:31 am

roflcopter wrote:it took all four townies working in (dis)harmony for scum to win this one, so you guys should stop pointing fingers at each other.

It's the opposite, though. For a Scum lynch to ever happen, every single Town needs to be on board. Besides, I was going to make a post that likely would have changed the game had the thread not been locked, since it was almost impossible from anyone's point of view that I was Scum.

SensFan · Post Post #163 (isolation #32) » Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:42 am

SilverPhoenix wrote:And "anyone's point of view" comment was obviously bullshit, as you had
all
the remaining townies convinced you were scum. You can't expect to be so fucking manipulative and haughty as a townie and win/stay alive.

I couldn't be Scum with sek, since I was asking for a hammer when he was at -1.
I couldn't be Scum with SP, since I was going after him far too strongly.
As I recall, I went after Zazier pretty strongly on Day 1.
Therefore, I could only be Scum with rofl.
Therefore, I should never be lynched, since lynching rofl 'counts' as lynching me.

See, that's thing point of my play, likely charter's play, and TWO Town players decided to vote me in LyLo before I could post. Scum cannot possibly afford to actually want so many people lynched.

SensFan · Post Post #165 (isolation #33) » Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:43 am

SilverPhoenix wrote:
SensFan wrote:Really? sek had been playing 100% driven by
emotions
and OMGUS. Which is why he was obvScum.

SensFan wrote:Fuck this. This should convince you dumb fuckers.

Vote: charter.

Sorry man, its for a good cause. I'll make sure these fuckers lynch Scum tomorrow.

SensFan wrote:A fucking FoS means shit-all. You should never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever have an FoS on someone if you're not voting anyone unless that person is at Lynch-1. [/teach]

SensFan wrote:You fucking FoS'ed me. Finger of SUSPICION.

That has nothing to do with emotions.