Open 101 - Two of Four - Game over before 712

[The Central Scrutinizer]

vote:Ripley

, believe it or not.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Holy slowness, batman.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

This game will probably also lend itself to false claims, I think.

If days are limited to a month, then this game is screwed. But I suppose we have few data points, so I need not be so dire.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Lurker policy lynching begins in seven days if there is no content to work with by then.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I was going to copy Thad because I heart him, but then I realized he followed me.

You like me, you really like me?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Isn't the point of setups where not all of the possible roles are present, to discourage mass claims?

And how is a miller claim a good idea if we don't even know if there are cops in the setup?

I support this post. Massclaims in this setup are not good. Why out the miller if we don't even know there is a cop?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Life has been hectic. I just got though the holiday and a big move, and since then I've pretty much been at work, driving to work, or preparing for work every waking hour. So sorry for the absence.

Just because I said I was going to start lurker policy lynching,

vote: the central scrutinizer

until he starts contributing more.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

This is just ludicrous when you put it next to Open 104... that game went 17 pages in under two days.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

So... anyone else interested in conversing about something completely non-game related in an effort to pad their post count in this game?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

@ tcs: alrighty.

Where is that avatar from?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbRom1Rz8OA

Also (and this is to everyone) In the name of more activity I think we should choose one of the plans floating around and then vote on whether we want t do it or not. That should get everybody at least saying "yes" or "no" for a few posts and then we will have something to work towards.

To be honest I don't really understand the current plans being out forward so can someone explain them again?

YAUS

[The Central Scrutinizer]

There's no real plan due to a severe lack of participation.

Since roles are randomly distributed, it is possible that a miller may exist without a cop. I have decided that ThAdmiral's suggestion of having a miller claim is a null-tell since as mafia, he'd already know who the townies are so the miller claim request would seem to bring too much attention too early on. Therefore,

unvote

.

I accept and endorse this line of reasoning.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

If we do have a miller claim, it should be right at the beginning of the day, before anyone can claim cop.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Dear Zazier,

Because I can. Because I can... and... yeah, I'm not overly enamored of that game either. It may make 400 pages before it's all said and done.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Love,
TCS

[The Central Scrutinizer]

unvote, vote:veerus

[The Central Scrutinizer]

In this game, it would be kind of silly to lynch all lurkers... essentially we'd just be picking people at random and lynching them... because this game has three pages in like two weeks. Everyone is lurking.

I'm going to

unvote

because I don't actually want to see the day end so quickly... but I did want at least

someone

to cry about Lynch -1 on page three.

So... what the fuck?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I'm with Thadmiral... I think it's an awful idea to massclaim on day one. Essentially all we'd be doing is giving the scum free shots at both power roles, making the game that much easier for them. No, no... I think it's safe to say that this is an awful plan, and I will vote for anyone who either claims or continues to push massclaim.

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axle135, if you have useful thoughts to post about the mass claim issue please go ahead and do so. The only real argument against posting such thoughts is the one that sometimes it is difficult to think aloud without alerting scum to a course of action that might not otherwise have occurred to them, but it's easy to overestimate that risk. Scum can talk at night; our only opportunity to talk is during the day, and fear of doing that leads to bland contentless posting or the kind of reluctant non-posting that has characterized this game so far, and which makes it so easy for the scum to hide.

I think it's safe to say that this is an awful plan, and I will vote for anyone who either claims or continues to push massclaim.

The problem with threats like this is that they tend to close down discussion. How can you discuss anything when only one view is allowed and anyone arguing the other side is under threat of being voted simply for expressing their view? Already we can see how axle135 has felt it necessary to state he isn't "pushing the issue" although it seems he has things to say about it.

And if you are an innocent and believe anyone "pushing" the mass claim must be suspect, surely you would learn more by waiting to see exactly what people do have to say about it, rather than frightening them off with threats of a vote?

We want discussion. This game has been lacking in discussion for a good portion of its existence. But we don't want to discuss things that are useless. Massclaim is anti-town. There is no debate... and I'm sorry if you think that's too harsh.

There is no debate about whether or not massclaim is good for us

. As someone just said, right now scum would hit a PR 40% of the time... and massclaiming makes that 100% likely. And what benefit do we have? Best case scenario, we go from a 2/7 chance of catching scum to a 2/5 chance... pretty much nothing.

Best case scenario, we're increasing the chance of a power role dying by 60%, and the chance of us catching a member of the mafia by 12%. Or, 250% and 72% respectively if your brain works that way.

The numbers don't lie. Bad idea.

Now, I don't think that Ripley is scum for disagreeing with me. I don't even think that veerus is scum for hopping on me. But I do think that I should

Vote:Thadmiral

for right now... call it gut.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

fair enough.
I think this is just how I generally play day one. In fact I've been actually quite a bit more outspoken here than normal.

Which implies a deviation from the norm... and hence the vote.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I've been neglecting this game. Please forgive me. Or lynch me. Whichever suits you.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

So, who'd you block?

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I'm extra awesome btw.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

vote: CarnCarn

Pretty cut and dried. We have one scum remaining... CarnCarn dies, then veerus does if CarnCarn is town.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Well, if scum isn't CarnCarn or I... then he could no-kill twice and foil you. 'cause I ain't scum. I was on Thad like white on rice and I didn't even think about unvoting... so yeah.

I would like a claim from the other PR, in the case that it is a doctor or a cop.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Ripley, I can't help it if my parents book a trip into the city 3 months ahead of time, can I? I mean, I said I was okay with a replacement, and I'm not sure a scum would do that. The Mod told me that he wouldn't, which I'm fairly sure he can confirm.

I'm slightly surprised with TCS because he pretends there's no such thing as bussing in his last post. And with his level of experience, something like that wouldn't have been overlooked so easily.

I'm all for massclaim. However, if there is such claim, shouldn't the miller (if one exists) claim before cops?

Bussing works best in high-activity games where the busser can pass as "confirmed" because of the bussing.

Also, I didn't really do much "bussing" or making a strong case on Thad. I just voted him and didn't unvote. I'm not taking credit for the lynch, just that I was on it from post one.

Anyway, think what you like. The fact of the matter is that CarnCarn got blocked and nothing happened.

But seriously, this is all premature. Massclaim first, debate after.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

EBWOP: Should have read "vote one" instead of "post one." OFC I'm not even sure that's true, looking back... but I was on it early in the wagon regardless.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

So wait, Zazier.. let me get this straight.. You now BELIEVE that I'm the roleblocker AND you think that TCS is a possible scum and yet you DON'T believe my roleblock and contingency plan? That's absolutely ridiculous. If CC is town, then I block TCS tomorrow and we win. This isn't rocket science.

Also, I'm VERY MUCH against a massclaim at this point. A miller wouldn't gain us anything. A cop will only out himself when he's found the other scum (on the off-chance that it isn't TCS/CC) and there's no reason to do so sooner. And a doctor is protecting me every night (or he should). Why out the roles that will win the game for us?

If you're REALLY a roleblocker, then a cop claim is the best thing that could ever happen to us. You continue to block CarnCarn while we no-lynch and the cop investigates the rest of us. If the cop dies immediately, you're scum or carncarn is cleared. If the cop lives, we get useful investigations.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

If you're REALLY a roleblocker, then a cop claim is the best thing that could ever happen to us. You continue to block CarnCarn while we no-lynch and the cop investigates the rest of us. If the cop dies immediately, you're scum or carncarn is cleared. If the cop lives, we get useful investigations.

Uhh... what?

If you're a roleblocker, a cop claiming today gives us at least two confirmed, not counting the killed cop. An almost guaranteed win. Math plz.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Ripley, do you remember this post:

Wait, tcs was

against

the mass claim, so why are you voting him?

This also gives me the impression that it is either CC (as he voted TCS) or that it's TCS as partner. But of those two, I'd actually say that it's TCS over CC.
So I'll

Vote The Central Scrutinizer

I'm also not happy with Veerus at the end. It seems very likely that he's indeed the roleblocker. However, my opinion is that a power role shouldn't announce their target. As the scum could see from your post who you would roleblock, they could decide not to kill to blame the one you would target.

Also, Axle. If you next time know that you would be absent during the deadline, could you before you leave state your suspicions. We didn't know your thoughts at all. We still don't know so could you say something about your suspicions?

I'm still thinking if we should do a massclaim or not. I hope I can state my opinions about that in my next post.

So you think I'm scum because ThAd defended me? That's just awful... scum defend townies all the time.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Okay, well, if we don't want to massclaim, then let's all get on theCarnCarn wagon and veerus will block me tonight. Without the further information that a massclaim would provide, the fact that CC got blocked and there was no kill makes him the logical choice.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Book 'em, Danno.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

The votecount was basically the same during all the time the game went inactive, but I guess I could've been firmer with the prodding.

You did a good job with a lazy town. Somehow the lazy town did a good job too. IDK. All I know is I rock.