Micro 1071: MafiaInFreezer v2023 (Game Over)

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 1.03

SirCakez (1):

Lady Lambdadelta

Syryana (1):

notscience

Kilgamayan (3):

Wavelength, Ydrasse, Syryana

notscience (1):

SirCakez

Wavelength (1):

Kilgamayan

Not Voting:

catboi, Dunnstral

With 9 remaining, 5 to eliminate

deadline

(expired on 2023-03-14 21:38:24)

[notscience]

I read up

I agree with the Dunn townreads

I think Cakez is flinging shit to see what sticks which is kinda boring

Kilgas wavelength vote is uninspired and the toss away read at me is as well

I dunno why syry isn’t pushing me harder if he thinks I’m scum that push is kinda limp and I also feel like it shouldn’t have to take everyone else going “huh notty isn’t being townie” for him to say fuck no kill notty

One townread on page six, this is weak Shit

[Syryana]

Notty you and I both know that if you're determined to be in trollfuck mode literally nothing I do or say is going to pull you out of it

Do you think Cakez flinging shit at the walls is alignment indicative

Do you have any scumreads

[notscience]

I hate literally all of Cakez posting lmao

My “ew” was a poorly worded scumread and I think he went for what he assumed would be one of the easiest pushes to try and wiggle himself out of it

I don’t expect you to get me to stop fucking around but I candidly did expect a vote or SOMETHING

[Syryana]

You fucking around was objectively less interesting to me than killing Kilga, which I am still on board for, see vote

There wasnt much point trying to read you until you decided to come out of it, so let's talk

From what I remember of Xenoblade 2 Cakez at least vaguely tried to put in some effort until Cabd pointed his nose in Cakez' general direction, at which point Cakez folded like a cheap card table

While I agree that his posting is godawful I'm not convinced it couldn't come from Cakez as town

[Syryana]

While I agree that his posting is godawful I'm not convinced it couldn't come from Cakez as town

Actually let me expand on this a bit
I don't necessarily think that Cakez isn't scum so much as I'm more convinced Kilga is scum. I can also imagine a reality where Cakez!town posts like this because they don't know what else to do and it's RVS, but I can't imagine a reality where Kilga posts the first two things they posted as town

[Syryana]

I think he went for what he assumed would be one of the easiest pushes to try and wiggle himself out of it

I mean he RVS wagoned himself then voted you for being a trolly trollfuck
Why do you think Cakez is scum for voting you when you're presently sus of me for NOT voting you

[notscience]

Diff people get diff standards

You’re in the “notty is fuckin around and he’s gonna find out” pool

[SirCakez]

Why would I make this game so difficult for myself if I was scum here
I could have literally just RVSed like normal and jumped on the Kilga train or some shit

[Ydrasse]

i mean did you really have a choice if it would be difficult or not for you if you show up and people are already wagoning you and expecting something of you

i feel like if you're town this isn't doing you any favors because you're choosing to act with silly and goofy behavior and while im like. i get it. i think it impedes everyone's ability to read you as genuine.
also i don't think it's difficult to call someone scum in the manor youre doing it? even if they're not the main person being scumread by others.

[Syryana]

Diff people get diff standards

You’re in the “notty is fuckin around and he’s gonna find out” pool

I think you overestimate my ability to make you find out

Anyways let's put Cakez aside for the moment, who else are you looking at

Pedit hi Naidrasse

[Dunnstral]

Why would I make this game so difficult for myself if I was scum here
I could have literally just RVSed like normal and jumped on the Kilga train or some shit

Is this implying that Kilga is town

[Dunnstral]

Why did you make it "difficult" as town then?

[Dunnstral]

I think 134 is a good post

[notscience]

Diff people get diff standards

You’re in the “notty is fuckin around and he’s gonna find out” pool

I think you overestimate my ability to make you find out

Anyways let's put Cakez aside for the moment, who else are you looking at

Pedit hi Naidrasse

Still keeping my eye on you and kilgas posting has been very meh like I said

I don’t feel like we have a ton to work with atm but I’ll worry about thi more tomorrow when I’m not on vacay jet lag

[Kilgamayan]

Just to make sure I'm understanding you correctly, are you asking me why voting for someone Early Day 1 for Early Day 1 reasons is different from voting for someone Late Day 1 for Early Day 1 reasons? If that's not what you're asking, can you clarify what you are asking so I can answer you better?

You are willing to vote them out now, I am wondering why it is different if they are run up now or if nothing happens and you vote for somebody else later.

I'm still not entirely sure I understand what you're asking here, but I think your line of questioning can be generally answered by me saying that I believe any vote is better than no vote. A vote is a tangible committal to an opinion.

Oh, a distinction should probably be made between "player that doesn't post very much" and "player who lacks meaningful presence". I had the former in mind with my Day 1 Lurker Votes comment. My vote for Wavelength is for the latter reason.

As Wavelength points out; what is up with the first half of your post 106 then? You don't seem to be making that distinction there.

Because I already made it in 103. Why would I make it again three posts later?

[Kilgamayan]

Like, if you disagree with the logic of 103, that's one thing. That can be discussed to a degree, even though I suspect that would eventually boil down to playstyle differences. But acting like 103 didn't happen at all is another matter entirely. Don't just buy into wordless reaction images because they're clever or something.

[Syryana]

Don't just buy into wordless reaction images because they're clever or something.

[Kilgamayan]

See even Syr agrees with-

...

hey wait

[Wavelength]

Wavelength was the only player where the result was "I don't remember anything this person did and I don't remember feeling any sort of thing about this person", and those types of slots tend to be red

I don't know how to make this point with just images, so I give up.

If what you said in 103 was true, then you thought that my play was the same as "those types of slots tend to be red." You seem to be claiming that your vote was never a lurker vote, and was actually a valid vote.

So what I'm left with is you voting a low content slot, and that is the type of vote I see scum make a lot
, because in theory it's low accountability, no one likes a player who isn't saying much.But it doesn't really serve a useful purpose because if someone is inactive putting a vote on them isn't going to exert meaningful pressure and it doesn't get into the dirty work of trying to analyze what people are actually saying. This is because it's harder to make a case on townies who are being town.

I also subscribe to not being a huge fan of Day 1 lurker votes!

If my vote is still there for the same reasons

when we're a lot closer to the end of the day, I'll be at least as worried about it as you appear to be.

But once Catboi started pushing against your vote, your explanation of your vote appears to shift.

Because, if what you said in 103 was true, then why did you ever then say "If my vote is still there

for the same reasons

" that catboi could then be worried about you doing a lurker slot vote?

Why would his suspicion of your vote become more valid closer to deadline, if your reason for your vote was never a lurker vote, and was actually a valid vote all along?

[notscience]

Don't just buy into wordless reaction images because they're clever or something.

BRB changing pants

All I wanted out of this game

[notscience]

Wavelength I have absolutely no idea what that long post is trying to say can you dumb it down for me

[Wavelength]

103 and 106 seem to be contradicting how Kilga views his own vote against me.

In 103, it is not just a Lurker Vote, and he thinks I am more likely to be mafia.

Spoiler:

Wavelength was the only player where the result was "I don't remember anything this person did and I don't remember feeling any sort of thing about this person", and those types of slots tend to be red, in my experience playing the Mafiers.

in 105 Catboi pushed against his vote, and said that my content up to that point was all NAI, and therefore Kilga looked like they were just doing a vote on a low content slot.

In 106, Kilga responded to that. He agrees with Catboi that low content votes are bad, but catboi should not be worried about it

at this stage of the day

. He seems to be saying that lurker vote on me is okay "for now" because he is giving you room and he feels good about everyone else, and its early - so it is fine

for now.

Spoiler:

It may surprise you that I also subscribe to not being a huge fan of Day 1 lurker votes! If my vote is still there for the same reasons when we're a lot closer to the end of the day, I'll be at least as worried about it as you appear to be. But, to me, that's a concern for then; right now, I'm willing to give !science a little bit of slack to see if the behavior changes, I actively feel varying degrees of good about everyone else, and it's still early on Day 1, so my vote is where it is.

I am struggling to reconcile that conceit he makes to catboi about his vote, with him claiming that it was more then just a lurker vote in 103.

Either:
It is not a lurker vote, and has more to it then just post count.
OR
It is a lurker vote, but because we are far from deadline it is okay - and catboi should be suspicious only if he keeps a lurker vote closer to deadline.

But Kilga argues both angles in different posts.

[notscience]

I’m reading 106 as “if I don’t see anything scummier to vote than a lurker by end of day we have a problem”

And while overtly wordy and not phrased well, I find 103 is basically an over explanation of what a lurker vote is? Like, someone we know exists in the game but can’t remember a single thing they’ve done all game is pretty much textbook lurking.

Am I just like totally missing something bc I don’t mind that so much as the vernacular chosen?

[Wavelength]

To be clear, it wasn't a matter of "find the person with the fewest posts and vote for that person"

those types of slots tend to be red

I felt like he was trying to distinguish his vote on me from a simple lurker vote in 103.