He was pretty clearly on a town you stance all yesterday except for the end when he returned to neutral.In post 4635, notscience wrote: Fact check: I’d argue bells read on me was improving because he’s been scumreading me the entire game before yesterday
Anyways I’m not home from vacation
You can't just say things that aren't true while putting on the act of how disrespected you are as a cover to it and expect people to believe you.In post 4638, notscience wrote: You can handwave it as minutia all you want but all it takes is a quick ISO peruse to see bells interactions with me yesterday we’re way more on the town side of things than any day before
A bell kill here is a game throw from me but notty doesn’t know how to play scum soooooo I suppose I’ll let you spin whatever story you want
I'm aware it is. That's why you're still likely to win today.In post 4640, notscience wrote: I’m not pissy, I’m snarky
Like I’ve been all game
It’s kinda hard to start painting someone in MELO lld
Why not? He's pitching to Peta and I, taking heat on himself.. it all fits.In post 4646, fireisredsir wrote:i am not really convinced that luke is the breed of cheeky/brazen scum player who makes this post about 2 partnersIn post 303, Lukewarm wrote: I have a problem... I have caught up, and I did not find a scum read :/
Trendy choices seem to be Notty and Taly.
I kinda think Notty is town? I liked that he appeared to stop and do some meta skims when he saw something that pinged him. It was well telegraphed too, like he voted in 82, made a comment about meta diving in 109, then largely disappeared from the thread for ~20 mins, before coming back with a new take on Taly in 122. That 20 min thread break would be an impressive touch if faked.
I am having a hard time sorting Taly, just because every post she makes seems to either misunderstand the post that is directed at her, or she is responding to posts directed at other people. I am not sure how to sort constant misunderstandings tbh.
I would request LLD and/or Peta to solve the game for me please.
@Peta, why are you voting Dunn?
I'm not sure that matters from my PoV. From my PoV Notty's convincing you to go the wrong way.In post 4653, fireisredsir wrote:not exactly, id be more likely to say well played to ffery and luke for their approach to himIn post 4651, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: I recognize I'm like, 8 ways from fucked but Notty literally got to set this all up by just acting town and sitting behind.
He didn't have to look agentful we did it for him. it's.... ahh...
I can see how this ends. It'll be with a vote that says something like "if Notty fooled me he deserves to win" and yeah, maybe he does deserve this win but we have a chance right now to earn ourselves a win
ahhhh
i hate being up against it all. i don't know how to win this for us.
i don't think notscience's play on its own here is ever something i would be impressed by it fooling me
Ffery's posting yesterday, my vibe on them through the whole game, their interaction with Unwnd's drunken bus on them not being scum/scum, their Luke/Taly interactions...In post 4656, fireisredsir wrote: what makes you so confident on ydra?
something something playing from behindIn post 4658, notscience wrote: Something something telling a story
I'm really glad we're both being respectful in this final day of mafia we are playing and both respect each other and players and neither of us are being pointlessly cruel for no real gain but our own ego.In post 4660, notscience wrote: You can grandstand all you want, you’re trying to paint a picture that my erraticism was planned
I’m here for the show my dude
see this I'll respect more. This is a fine level of cheeky. we're good.In post 4663, notscience wrote: I’ll chill.
Bottom line is, your strengths are writing stories. My strengths are being transparent. You don’t try to 1v1 a Jax in sidelane.
so what, this is an argument that you and I find ourselves in this position statistically more frequently with me as scum and you as town?In post 4665, notscience wrote: I don’t really think I need anything other than my body of work
Honorary scum does not mean scum lol
okay turn that logic back to meIn post 4667, notscience wrote: It is an argument that this is not the gamestate I would choose to put myself in as scum, which if I am as conniving and methodical as you claim, would include someone a) significantly more familiar with my body of work in other games and can corroborate things I’m saying b) is significantly nore likely to vote the vote you proposed me to vote c) I make some ??? Hero play yesterday despite the entire gamestate making it easier to go ffery>firesir or ffery>lld when I don’t need to fucking get involved
I dunno dude, I make some ??? Decisions and of anyone I would be the cheeky one who would double up on a number, but I feel like I’ve been transparently fucking clueless
At minimum the only reason I wouldn't shoot you is if I was planning to come into today to 1v1 you.In post 4669, fireisredsir wrote: i agree with that on the whole fwiw
i thought i was p likely to die if you were scum
eh?In post 4671, fireisredsir wrote: im not really sure if it was conclusively evident that i was scumreading you more than notscience was though
i get the impression he's probably more stubborn than i am anyway
yes, this, and the part where he called the team LLD/FFery multiple times and even had a convo with me about how I felt he wanted to kill me before ffery and he said no Ffery first but.In post 4672, Ydrasse wrote: mmm
i think the difference would be in perception because of the like... back and forth that you had with lld that took up a few pages
while notsci may be more stubborn about it you demonstrated that you had the like. idk the word, capacity? to engage
i literally argued with you for hours about a night kill over 2 weeks old and about the wording of my considerations of Bell.In post 4674, fireisredsir wrote: i guess maybe you wouldn't know this but i don't think anyone would really characterize me as someone who would never change their mind
well yes but no one is saying anyone was going to kill you or i, lol.In post 4679, notscience wrote: I openly scum sided all game there’s zero chance I die overnight lol
wait how is that a perkIn post 4680, notscience wrote: Also other perk of keeping bell alive- distracting lld
yes but I also said yesterday that if Bell was scum I was happy to let him win as an example to the people who refused to allow me to kill him Day 1.In post 4683, notscience wrote: You regularly butt heads with bell and the entire basis of your townread on bell was mine and Fferys say so
I was already proven wrong on ffery so it’s an easy argument to say bell pocketed me too
You might be right. ahahhaIn post 4685, notscience wrote: Somehow I don’t think your competitive edge would let you do that tbh but I digress
See this isn't a town reaction either.In post 4698, Ydrasse wrote: i don't really know what you expect of the question you asked tbh. it feels unhelpful because i don't believe in that world and i don't think that world ever had a chance of existing so it'd be a waste for me to like, dwell on it.
and yes, you feel right, because i have outlined reasons i think the other two are town and i'm failing to find the world where you're town compared to the other two.
p-edit: that's what i think, because i'm currently at "this dude spent all game defending both wolves more than like, anyone else in this game and i think that would be deeply taxing and impressive to do."
p-edit AGAIN: i mean if you want to push this back onto me we can just like. throwdown. from where i'm at you're like hovering on reversing onto me over this which is like. lol given past posts.
wanna get in my pocket? i think ydra might be scum lmfaoIn post 4699, notscience wrote: Day one peta called out the number one way to approach me as scum is pocket me btw
Why was your response in 4p ELO to throw a vote like it means something? all 3 town have to agree to win here today, you know.
aahahaIn post 4707, notscience wrote: If I didn’t let you pocket me day one why would I let you do it in melo lol
MAYBE TWO SCUM
BUT NOT THREE
it's almost like notty shook me a little so i poked you as a test on a random lark and you exploded.In post 4714, Ydrasse wrote:because the fact that you came into today and were like "i know who my enemy is" and then decided, to me what feels like arbitrarily, reverse and push me feels like a wolf trying to find anyone that they can kill to live.In post 4708, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Why was your response in 4p ELO to throw a vote like it means something? all 3 town have to agree to win here today, you know.
i also think that it's kind of telling that you're going LOOK HERE LOOK AT THIS... TONE... OPENWOLFING. but have spent like... the majority of the game calling me town for what feels like (mostly) gut and a handful of other points you are now willing to just cast aside.
ah, yes. I'm the sketchy one who randomly changed their approach to the game, not Ydra.In post 4716, notscience wrote: I spent all of yesterday flinging shade bc everyone’s townread on ydra is just vibes lmfao
This sudden shift is sketchy and not evaluating it yesterday when I REPEATEDLY mentioned it is ????
your answer was not to even consider a world where i'm town, and fully dodged the question. you literally didn't want to identify someone you might think is scummy, over all ining on one person.In post 4717, Ydrasse wrote:please tell me what you stand to learn about asking me "ydra, if i was dead and you had to vote someone else, who do you think it was" when i've been saying in thread that i think that it's you, and that i don't feel strongly that world exists? you learn who i want to kill... second most? this gives you insight into my alignment in what way as compared to anything else i've posted this game?In post 4712, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: This isn't flailing, this was asking you a simple question and getting nothing as an answer and when I pressed you a little more you freaked and now we're here.
you're asking me a question that i don't really care about and using it at the crux of an argument against me when my answer is, ultimately, a shrug towards it. it's a question that literally offers you nothing so no, i am not going to dwell on it.
it feels like you kind of just showed your hand to me because it was a losing battle.
like i don't get what you want from me hereIn post 4716, notscience wrote: I spent all of yesterday flinging shade bc everyone’s townread on ydra is just vibes lmfao
This sudden shift is sketchy and not evaluating it yesterday when I REPEATEDLY mentioned it is ????
were you not?In post 4722, notscience wrote: LLD you also told me I was transparently pissed lol
ahahahIn post 4726, notscience wrote:In post 4640, notscience wrote: I’m not pissy, I’m snarky
Like I’ve been all game
It’s kinda hard to start painting someone in MELO lld
ah yes, the classic omgusIn post 4730, Ydrasse wrote:let it be known that lld is trying to paint something in my posts that doesn't exist. i wolfread her. she made wolfier posts. i voted her because of them. and now i am very upset that she has done the grave error of scumreading me andIn post 4721, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Also I want to point out that Ydra getting visibly more upset with me here that I am committing the crime of suspecting them is a notable thing that comes from scum too.
Especially scum who felt like they had the game won and now have to fight for it more.
Double especially scum who have to fight with ME over it and know my reputation.i am screaming and crying and throwing up but...she's the one who's like actually upset.
<3In post 4735, Ydrasse wrote:i understand this game was hard and your team all left you alone to try and carryIn post 4733, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: it's okay ydra i still love you even when you're scum lol
u have fought valiantly
<3
it was a joke, i'm not going to flame anyone come onIn post 4749, fireisredsir wrote: sorry if that comes off as a strong reaction, reading it again i realize now maybe it was meant to have more of a joking tone than i am seeing, but i have strong reactions to certain things
you're obviously allowed to post whatever you want in the bounds of the rules but just stating how i feel about it. and that it will not advance your wincon. especially relevant if you're town bc i know myself and i know that it will make it harder for me to accept that
eh?In post 4759, Ydrasse wrote: i feel genuinely gross quoting the posts that made me think lld was town wrt her interactions with luke/taly so i’d prefer not to bring them into the discussion if possible despite needing to acknowledge them as the basis for my read. but they did a decent amount of lifting for my opinion her, especially when i was already being more charitable than everyone else i think because i didn’t see any egregious posting early on and was like, she gets a lot of flak by virtue of reputation and it can be miserable to be pigeonholed into a stereotype of play/expectation
opportunism isn't scummy in final day ELO. again it's more valuable that scum has its shit togetherIn post 4752, fireisredsir wrote: mmm i have reread taly and luke and ffery and i don't see anything that makes me feel good about clearing ydra off interactions
it is hard for me to get past knowing that when i entered and (possibly unexpectedly?) had notscience as more town than ydra, and ydra (also probably unexpectedly) had LLD as more likely scum than notscience, those shifts suddenly made ydra a way better 1v1 choice from a scum LLD pov. and then wow it's a miracle a pathway opens up where she is able to flip everything around and suddenly start on that path instead. on reasoning that i don't understand and seems way too weak to justify the change
like she has this whole narrative for why it has to be notscience and then is just willing to drop all that bc she vibed with some of his responses? it doesn't make sense to me. where's the rigor? what makes some reasons strong one minute and then willing to be dropped the next?
on its own maybe that isn't always scummy. but so many of the read shifts have felt opportunistic