Mini 2292: Anything uPick - Game Over!

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Qhy am I having an existential crisis in a mafia game

Aren’t we all

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Who needs mafia, let's just have group therapy. Heh.

-cephy

yeah, sorry for that. didn't mean to make the game all about me and shit

If you feel it’s helping you please continue

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pb i saw you post and I thought equinox was playing

I was looking for my old pink toby fox dog avatar but I lost it on my old computer so I took the best I got in the avatar thread

It was either this one or the one Equinox got

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Flea, have we ever played before? I was excited to see you in the playerlist, haven't played for a while and I think I missed the chance to play with you

Happy to see a lot of old faces in this playerlist too

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Nice

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Do you know why your name is blue in the votecount?

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Ah, didn't make the connection between the song and the votecount

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Do you know why your name is blue in the votecount?

Well I believe that this was already pretty obvious in the first few pages. This post could be filler.

VOTE: Pink

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The way I went and opened up a the lyrics of the actual song and did a side by side to see what the differences were in there, but then still did not put it together with the vote count has me feeling ashamed.

Hear hear!

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I can be dumb as both alignments, if that's what you're asking

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Wait Kokichi your vote was serious, not RVS?

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Wait Kokichi your vote was serious, not RVS?

I'm always serious. Should I not be?

No no that's good to know, happy to say I got my first townread of the game

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I'm not that easy to pocket, you have to try harder.

Do you

want

to be pocketed? 'Cause I can do that if you want...

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I would like to be pocketed.

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How was your sleep, Ali?

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Loving the cat talk by the way

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I refuse to play seriously until PenguinPower says hello to me

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THERE HE IS

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Even better.

Did you already read the thread or are you catching up? Has something caught your attention?

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But I assume you're taking that "being too serious" as not being scum indicative since you didn't vote, right?

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I'm townreading you and townleaning LLD, that's all I have for now

@Kokichi

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Stephen A with that statement has been the scummiest person so far

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Scummiest but funniest too

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Stephen is trying to justify his RVS vote on me calling my reads fake, with the intention of parking his vote and not really contributing to the game. You can call anyone here awkward, scummy, etc, but that's having an actual scum agenda

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I didn't RVS you

You're just trying to antagonize me at this point. I had two posts before you voted me, if your vote wasn't random, then my theory of you voteparking is still right, even more right I'd say

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You just started pushing me after I started pushing you, don't try to change the facts. You were actually twiddling your thumbs and doing shit-all until I pushed you. You're justifying my comments, not contradicting them

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I didn't RVS you

You're just trying to antagonize me at this point. I had two posts before you voted me, if your vote wasn't random, then my theory of you voteparking is still right, even more right I'd say

they were scummy posts

Sure dude:

Qhy am I having an existential crisis in a mafia game

Aren’t we all

Who needs mafia, let's just have group therapy. Heh.

-cephy

yeah, sorry for that. didn't mean to make the game all about me and shit

If you feel it’s helping you please continue

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Stephen is trying to justify his RVS vote on me calling my reads fake, with the intention of parking his vote and not really contributing to the game. You can call anyone here awkward, scummy, etc, but that's having an actual scum agenda

Here. The only post between you and me to this point with some actual arguments and not an RVS vote or a "fake reads" statement. You were trying to be funny, you actually were, but that's it

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Sure dude

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I'd love to hear your explanation

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- RVS Vote
- Saying "fake reads" to justify that your vote is staying on your RVS vote
- I call you out
- You lash out

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Agree to disagree then

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There you go!

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here let me show you how writing a story works:

You try to buddy up to LLD
I vote you
Flea votes you
You don't respond to any of it because you don't know why you're being voted
You hope it's just RVS
You keep making these weird awkward social banter posts
You ask Alisae why their name is in blue
You give Kokichi a "townread" for being "serious" lol
More weird social banter posts about cats
Refuses to play seriously until Penguin says hi to you[was your previous townread on Kokichi not serious? or did you forget you made it]
Random questions to Penguin that don't feel like they go anywhere
Fake reads @Kokichi
Throws hissy fit because I am calling you out for fake reads
Pretends the space time continuum flows in a different way or whatever

You have not exhibited any scumhunting so far, your posts feel like you are trying to build social connections with others in order to better survive and influence game state without actually doing anything useful with it, you feel oddly self conscious about your standing and I have absolutely no reason to think you are town.

Ok, made a quick skim on your past games and realized you actually start games like this. I thought both Flea and your votes were RVS and that you were trying to pick a fight, so the "fake reads" looked like bait from my point of view. I was calling you out for baiting me, and that felt, from my point of view, that I started pushing you and you retaliated.

I get where you're coming from now, can't agree with you with the "buddying" LLD theory when I wast just showing humanity which is what I usually do? Reading this made me think "this guy don't know shit about me and it shows", but then again, I now know who you are and know you know me, so I don't know what to take out of this whole interaction.

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Really? I feel I've been very composed. I admit I got a little heated 'cause I thought Stephen was a rando

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From my point of view, I was the one attacking, not defending

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@PB, can you answer to this specific point of SAS:

Refuses to play seriously until Penguin says hi to you[was your previous townread on Kokichi not serious? or did you forget you made it]

It was a joke. My Kokichi townread was real and still stands

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@PB

- Do you think Stephan is a wolf

I'm making up my mind, I'll re-read our interactions later 'cause right now I'd say yes, but if I was the one who overreacted and instigated the whole thing then no

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why would you say yes right now but no if you overreacted and instigated the whole thing

Because his read seems fake to me, like there was a higher standard towards my play instead of the rest of the playerlist; the gamestate was full of banter posts but somehow I'm the one who was pocketing LLD and not playing seriously. Felt like bait.

If I overreacted then I'm giving him too much atributions that are just not true (he's not actually trying to bait me or supress me, he just has a legitimate read on me, among other things)

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I'm right there right now, but "is'nt really doing anything" doesn't mean that his read was actually genuine and was just holding it until I poked him

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I'm with Ali, but only because I want to have more townreads before the end of the day

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I'm with Ali, but only because I want to have more townreads before the end of the day

you're so boring how are you going to expect to attract any voters that way

lol

i refuse to allow this game to slow down. vote, coward. we're voting rapidly.

But I like this pace we're actually all talking and that's good, that's what I missed the most

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If someone can help me getting rid of the background of my avatar I'd be eternally grateful

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If someone can help me getting rid of the background of my avatar I'd be eternally grateful

it's what like two frames, shouldn't be hard to open up both frames, delete the background by color selection and then put the gif back together

I know in paper it's an easy task but I'm actually really bad at this things, I used an online gif editor to change the white color to pink and it change the whole image

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Nice Alice reference, we need a Chesire Cat post now

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VOTE: Amici Curiae

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As well, Pink Ball's play has been declared to be blasphemous! It will take one less vote to eliminate him today!

That wasn't very cash money of you

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If Marashu does flip wolf I'm probably clearing wave on the spot ya

Same, had both and kuribo on my lowest tier, but Wave and Marashu are never scum together and Wave’s daystart is promising

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I didn’t like your interactions with Amici, seemed fencesitting at best. You had chances of either voting them or defending them but you did neither. Lowkey shading them without commiting

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Yeah, if that was a dayvig it was just bad, now there will just even less info to be gained from our slot's green flip

i dunno tho this post does feel forced

like, you know good and well that's not a dayvig so why pretend

Shade

Fine.
We are a JoaT with three abilities.

• a watcher shot
  
• a FlavorCop shot. We can chooce a target an discover their Flavor
  
• a shot of some sort of investigative that discover whether or not the target is "wicked". The PM uses that word, and doesn't clarify further.

~b

But what ARE you?

What's your flavor here?

Chance of taking a stance n°1 after a claim.

We are Gnome Ann.

I want your reads.

Chance of taking a stance n°2 after answering your question (you could've asked for a readlist before, no?)

Either way kuribo that's my stance towards you in a game were I was involved in a 1v1 during D1, please don't make me feel bad for scumreading you.

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If you're going to rely on meta on why I should be townreading you and we have never played together, why do I have to feel stupid for scumreading you?

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"I want your reads" was a demand under threat of my vote. I wanted their reads on record.

Yes, but you had your chance for asking for their reads before

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But sure you can pretend otherwise if it gets you out of this

This is what I mean kuribo

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PB what does Kuribo have to gain by doing that play? What makes the potential gains of making this play better than the potential gains of like, not posting. If he's a wolf I doubt he even cares about the information he's asking for.
Why would Kuribo need to make a stance mid investigation.

Placing his vote in case the wagon gets to E-1 and nobody finish the job; calling them town in case the wagon staggers/lose traction.

kuribo doesn't read the future, he couldn't know both Wave and me would vote Amici.

Fencesitting, that's what I'm saying.

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"I want your reads" was a demand under threat of my vote. I wanted their reads on record.

Yes, but you had your chance for asking for their reads before

Sure, and so did anyone else but for some reason nobody thought to

You're throwing shade at me because I asked a player about to be eliminated for their reads so that we'd have them if they flipped scum? That's so weird.

I'm not throwing shade, I said that you were part of my scumreads and you asked why.

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I would be embarrassed for you if you were actually town here

You have the wrong idea about me if you think this is a bad game of mine. We have played together one time before this one and it was probably my best town game ever. And it was 2 years ago.

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do you have an example of a game where you quick hammered someone on d1 barely out of RVS as town

I don't know man I haven't played for 2 years straight I'm trying to settle in again.

Also "quick hammer" is a joke in this case, they already claimed and stated their intentions by voting me.

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quickhammering Amici when most of the game hadn't even expressed a read one way or another is atrocious

Like, I think Amici was going to get hammered regardless ya. If it wasn't PB it was probably Kokichi (whom I TR). PB's hammer to me just screams wolf and I feel obligated to seek out PB's flip not only because of it as well as the fact he was cw

Ali at this point you're just over explaining yourself.

Why would I as a wolf quickhammer if Kokichi already stated intent? Your defense on kuribo is applicable to me as well but you just want to justify a wolfread on me.

And I wasn't a real counterwagon, I had two RVS votes on me.

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And I wasn't a real counterwagon, I had two RVS votes on me.

not true.

I think you would want to quickhammer to try to end day as soon as possible and why wait on someone else when you can do it right. It's not like if you didn't go for the quickhammer and let kokichi go for it the pressure is completely off of you going into the next day phase.

I had no real pressure on me Ali, stop lying

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Only real scumread on me was SAS which yes I expected better from him to stop his tunnel at this point, but nothing else

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I wasn't a real counterwagon, day was too quick, there wasn't a real counter wagon

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pressure is irrelevant here.

You're the one who brought up pressure being the reason I would want to quick hammer

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Amici voted for me when they were already destined to be eliminated. It was a survivalistic vote.

Kokichi and SAS, 2 votes, that's not a counterwagon.

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And I wasn't a real counterwagon, I had two RVS votes on me.

not true.

I think you would want to quickhammer to try to end day as soon as possible and why wait on someone else when you can do it right. It's not like if you didn't go for the quickhammer and let kokichi go for it the pressure is completely off of you going into the next day phase.

"the pressure is completely off of you", implying I was being/feeling pressured d1.

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Amici voted for me when they were already destined to be eliminated. It was a survivalistic vote.

Irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant for fucks sake, you're trying to sell the rethoric that I quickhammered for being pressured by being the counterwagon and I'm arguing that I wasn't either being/feeling pressured or being the counterwagon

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Wait I didn't see that let me read

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pressure is irrelevant here.

You're the one who brought up pressure being the reason I would want to quick hammer

I don't think I brought up pressure?????????????
I just said you that the hammer is likely to come from a wolf for reasons that have nothing to do with pressure.

In fact, they're entirely different arguments. I'm saying that the hammer looks wolfy and you just so happen to be the cw.

You mean this?

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I think you're just mafia

your play as town is better than this

I would be embarrassed for you if you were actually town here

I really want to agree here.
What I really think sells me on this hammer coming from a wolf is that it contradicts what PB said earlier as well as it also just came out of nowhere. Not to mention the crickets afterwards. Usually the way wolves hammer is they do it out of nowhere with no hint of even wanting to do it.

UNVOTE:
I don't want to be responsible for day end.

Oh or this one?
Leaving out the pressure thing yeah it's a wolfy hammer I'm not arguing against that

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I didn't see that last one I didn't see any reasoning behind "your hammer was wolfy" other than the pressure thing

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Sorry I know I'm being annoying I'm really struggling getting the hang of this again, I spent two minutes trying to remember the word "wagon"

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What’s the point of interacting with you again?

I already said my piece, if I’m dying today so be it, this was a mistake.

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I’ll look into my past games but I really don’t remember anything

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I think I have impersonated Not_Mafia before

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I’m only hesitant cuz like
This can’t be PB’s wolf game.
I expect Idunno something better… this seems like not very good but like who is a wolf if it’s not pb. Idunno I think I just need the slot flipped.

Again, lower your expectations towards me. If I’m town I’m playing bad, if I’m scum I’m playing bad, the only conclusion is that I shouldn’t be playing mafia

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I'm trying

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I don't want make this a me!thread but my intention by coming back was trying to play a game that doesn't feel like you have to be an asshole to win, 'cause that's what I was feeling the last time I was active, but at the moment I try to show some humanity to a player who is struggling I get scumread for it and I get angry and overreact, so I'm starting to feel that says more about me than about the site.

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Good
I do care about your opinions in the event that you do your best to solve but still die.
I won’t hardsheep you because I think for myself but what positions town held during the game is important to me

You shouldn't care for my opinions in this particular game to be completely honest, I'm glad I spewed town on SAS but I think that will be my best contribution. I'm not sad or trying to make you feel sorry for me I understand that you win some you lose some and I wasn't expecting to be the MVP after 2 years without playing, but I think my expectations were a little higher

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I came back for TM too!

But yeah sorry no more me let's just play.

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In context it looked like the day was going to end fast because of LLD's impetu

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Well, Miltank is a pink ball too, kinda

VOTE: Alonzo

pb why did you hammer there?

pb why did you hammer there?

@SAS not on D1, not even a quickhammer by definition. Sorry that's all I got by skimming my old games

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In what world do I spend the night thinking who could be “easy pickings” and I decide “ah yes, kuribo”

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I know what I’ve read outside of the mafia realm and I respect you a lot

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If I was scum and I wanted to push you the reasoning would not be “easy pickings”

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I haven’t played over 2 years, I’m the one who’s rusty

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What I don’t get is I’ve been accused twice of “making up reads” and I’m not

that

stupid to say a read without having an explanation.

Either I’m town actually trying to get a grasp in the game, or I’m scum thinking how to place myself.

In this case, let me do this again and tell me I’m an idiot if you still think I am.

I agree that asking for reads to someone who is getting eliminated is not only good for town but it’s even courtesy, courtesy that I didn’t have with the quick hammer.

The reason I suspect you is not for asking for the reads per se, is because to me it felt that you had the chance to ask for their reads before asking “who are you” like you didn’t even care about their reads ‘cause they weren’t actually useful for you.

Is that better articulated?

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(Sorry, about your commentary on me: it checks out, I think your takes about me are well thought analysis of the situation between SAS and me, only lacking the alternative of me genuinely thinking that SAS was scum and getting frustrated over his tone, using words like “blasphemous” and “atrocious” referring to me)

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But from your point of view I really like your conclusion and it does explain really well how you approach games; I think I’m a little scared of it because “emotional outbursts” is exactly what I want to avoid. As I said, I don’t want to win if I have to be a jackass to do it

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I think Ali said something that I didn’t think before that you could’ve just lurked and would've been better instead of posting making those questions so yeah I believe what you’re saying

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But I wasn't done finding out what I wanted to know. So for you to use that as evidence that I was "fence sitting," obviously gives me pause. Especially since I was trying to find out what the elim could tell us and you had no interest in the same, nor in observing my interaction with them.

You’re right, I’m sorry, I was so obsessed with impersonating Not_Mafia that I wasn’t paying attention to what was going on. It was after reading the EoD again when your posts pinged me, but that’s taking them out of context

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Wavelength is right, town protecting Marashu doesn’t make any sense, so either scum predicted that Marashu was going to be targeted by other players and make him look bad, or the simpler explanation being that Marashu is scum himself

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oh also I didn't want to shoot PB because I think that's a slot that's better w/ alignment flipped.
I don't think anyone minds if Flea/Marashu flip w/o alignment or role n1.

I was gonna say that scum!Marashu spewed town on me and I’m willing to be D3’s designated elimination if that gives a better understading of the gamestate in case Marashu flips town, but 1. i don’t think the latter will occur, and 2. I would rather live lol

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You know what I’m not leaving room for everyone else to chime in and I think that’s not healthy for me and for the gamestate since there’s a big fat chance that at least one scum is just going under the radar

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This

is

looking easy indeed which makes me paranoid

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{Wave, Dragons, Kokichi, Stephan} are all super townie
I'm not sure why Flea gives me a multitasking BP/no one can interact with me button if they're a wolf.
I like Kuribo
I can't identify LLD's wolf wincon and I want to say they feel townie

That just leaves PB Penguin Marashu and Ircher and Penguin seems like the townie in this group. And even in the worst possible scenario where like 2 of these players are town, like who is it then, Kuribo or LLD? lmfao

game is over

I'm exactly here right now in a non paranoic solve. Paranoia solve comes from the question "if Marashu is scum, what's Marashu's partner doing right now" assuming there's a 2 scumteam and maybe a third party for balance; because the gamestate indicates that everyone are conformable right now with this elimination and Marashu's partner would have to deepwolf for the rest of the game, and neither Penguin or Ircher would be able to do such thing.

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Maybe "everyone are conformable" is an exaggeration based on only the players who are willingly playing the game approve this elimination

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So you agree that you're scum?

I can agree to being part of an elimination pool if my solve is included in said pool, and if you actually read what I posted instead of trying to be smart about it you would see that I didn't include myself in Marashu's partner paranoia

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{Wave, Dragons, Kokichi, Stephan} are all super townie
I'm not sure why Flea gives me a multitasking BP/no one can interact with me button if they're a wolf.
I like Kuribo
I can't identify LLD's wolf wincon and I want to say they feel townie

That just leaves PB Penguin Marashu and Ircher and Penguin seems like the townie in this group. And even in the worst possible scenario where like 2 of these players are town, like who is it then, Kuribo or LLD? lmfao

game is over

I'm exactly here right now in a non paranoic solve. Paranoia solve comes from the question "if Marashu is scum, what's Marashu's partner doing right now" assuming there's a 2 scumteam and maybe a third party for balance; because the gamestate indicates that everyone are conformable right now with this elimination and Marashu's partner would have to deepwolf for the rest of the game, and neither Penguin or Ircher would be able to do such thing.

glgl trying to convince me that my trs are deepwolfing

I'd have to convince myself first and I'll be dead by that point so glgl winning if the game isn't over by that point

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I don't even understand your worldview enough PB to understand where this argument is coming from
you're paranoia ya but like, if you're paranoid then offer me something that actually sells me that you believe what you're putting down

I don't understand this question

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Well Alisae's solve is clearly You+Marashu+Me. Penguin is in the pool for "what if I'm wromg?" but not really in Alisae's solve, so to me, your post was your guilty conscience speaking.

My solve is Marashu+Ircher/PP and Ali has Marashu+Ircher/Pink Ball with PP as a third option. If I'm wrong about you, then PP will eventually be killed too.

I don't think you actually believe what you're posting.

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it feels like you're saying you're paranoid just to say it and to try to make other people doubt how easy this feels but like if we really look into the nitty gritty here, what is there to doubt?

Give me a minute, I have it written in my notes and I want to copy+paste it but omitting some info related to my role

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- Kokichi, Wavelength and SAS are town
- Ali is either town!leader or scum!leader
- kuribo and Here There Be Dragons are prob!town
- The rest: LLD, Ircher, Flea, Marashu PP are underwhelmingly playing the game.

[redacted]*

In both scenarios, town or scum!Marashu, a better approach would be to sort the underwhelming players. Even if I gut townread LLD for her D1 start it could be better for the gamestate to sort that list.

My only concern right now is, is the scumteam comfortable with this elimination? If Marashu is scum, who's their partner? Is it inside that pool, doing nothing? Will they try to deepwolf for the rest of the game in a role madness game?

If Marashu is town, it makes much more sense for one of those four being scum, maybe two even. But if Marashu is scum, I don't understand this gamestate.

*The redacted talks about you and how my role works, and how this could perfectly be you either bussing your partner or lying about your role, but even if that were true, it wouldn't be prioritary to try to solve your slot because the higher chance is that you're simply town because your play has been towny, your reads are towny and your pushes seem genuine.

Nevertheless, the lack of wim coming from the scumteam is what makes me paranoid.

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it feels like you're saying you're paranoid just to say it and to try to make other people doubt how easy this feels but like if we really look into the nitty gritty here, what is there to doubt?

Give me a minute, I have it written in my notes and I want to copy+paste it but omitting some info related to my role

I want you to claim your flavor btw

Can't, sorry

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It's not the suspectee's behavior that concerns me here. It's everyone else. But I forgot momentarily about the role claims, so I'll retract my comment that Marashu flips town here.

We should eliminate Wavelength tomorrow though.

This is probably scum and the game is actually just easy

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Wavelength is obvtown

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But I wanted to lolhammer again so SAS won't be angry at me

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Ok redemption
VOTE: Marashu
L-1

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also Ircher you're not being eliminated.
I'm shooting you tonight

Can a rolestopper rolestop themselves?

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Ok good

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Like if you're solve is {Pink Ball, Marashu, Me}, then your optimal play is eliminating Marashu today, killing Pink Ball tonight, and eliminating me tomorrow.

If you're a rolestopper this defeats the purpose

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why can't you talk about claim btw?

pb if answer to this is because you'll get shot then you getting shot is good for village

I know, it won't

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Not at all

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if it's not obvious to you
and it's not obvious to me

then how is it obvious

I'm a bit oblivious towards this kind of things so I wouldn't use me as a counterpoint but yeah

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What happened with gUIltY CoNSCIenCe SpeaKInG

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Flea why do you think actions failed on Marashu if he's town?

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Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooh spicy

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That self vote comes from scum relax

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Agreed

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assuming there's a 2 scumteam and maybe a third party for balance

PB, why were you so confidently world building with the idea of 2 scum and a 3rd party?

Isn't 3 scum more normal for a game this size?

I thought 3 scum was too much but the scumflip talks about partners, plural, so my bad

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Wavelength I havent played in a long time and I used to play larges like with 17 players and used to have 3-4 scum al I thought 13 would be 2-3

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I have no problem claiming first, I survived two days and that's all I needed

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Can I redact the flavor in order to make it a surprise for whenever I flip? I can talk about flavor but I'd rather not say the specific thing I chose

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I'm the one who made Kokichi and PP dissapear. Flavorwise, they're dreaming right now. I can only have two players dreaming, if I want to target someone else I have to either wake one up (bring them back to the game) or let them in their dreams forever (kill them and they flip normally).

Whoever I target gets neighborized so I've been talking to Kokichi the whole time, I was pretty sure he was going to be the D1 nightkill and I think that's why there was no nightkill on D1. That thread is the one I quoted for the paranoia thing @Ali.

PP is angry with me and thinks I'm a third party but it's too soon to say if I want to kill him tomorrow or release Kokichi.

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Oh and that's why I was obsessed with your solve yesterday Ali, I needed to know who to target last night between Ircher and PP so even if you couldn't kill Ircher at least I got that right

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What are you

It will literally give you no information for the game whatsoever and make me have way less fun

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Because it's a funny pick and I want it to be a surprise

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Give me a good reason why it matters and I'll do it, it's not that serious

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ok?????????????

Stephen can claim or wave can if he doesn't wanna wait.

PB what happens to the dreamers if you die

They wake up normally for the next phase so if PP is scum I'm probably the night kill, so I'll kill PP and target whoever tonight

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ok?????????????

Stephen can claim or wave can if he doesn't wanna wait.

PB what happens to the dreamers if you die

They wake up normally for the next phase so if PP is scum I'm probably the night kill, so I'll kill PP and target whoever tonight

PP can act?
I was thinking of fakeclaiming I targetted kokichi as a funny and maintain the impression that I'm still useful going but I didn't think that was actually real target

Nope, they're out of the game so they can't.

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Nope, they only wake up if I die or I wake them up

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If PP is scum, yes, it should be!

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Ah whatever I already said my flavor is funny so I got your expectations up and it won't be funny now.

I'm this kid:


My action is called endless dream

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Right????

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We claimed for each other, talked about how Mara was probably scum before he claimed and that how you managed that whole situation looked coordinated. We discussed who to bring between Ircher and PP and he didn’t want to bring a miller claim to the thread.

I can out Kokichi’s role for the massclaim too btw, and ask Penguin to do the same

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Oh also he explicitly asked me what did I thought about not being a nightkill and that’s the only thing that made me paranoid about him ‘cause it sounded like he was trying to make me to come to the conclusion that he was the nightkill but it could perfectly come from disbelief from his part trying to get more info about my role

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Yes I think so too especial y because there’s useful info out of it.
Kokichi I only know he’s a strongman and targeted SAS on N1.

So I don’t think they’re ever s/s with that claim and SAS is most likely town ‘cause I’d expect him doing the nightkill on N1 ‘cause of the towncred he got on D1

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What about it?

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What’s not to get, it’s a simple role

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Oh no no makes whoever he targets unstoppable not only kills

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Sorry that’s on me paraphrasing

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Okay, did a proper read.

@PB I would also like Kokichi and Penguin's full claims.

Can you tell me why you used your power night one to stop a night kill and then used it night 2 to grab scum? Like, how are you approaching your power?

Also, could you have released Kokichi last night? You said you could do it tonight and take someone else right? Why did you keep Kokichi?

@Ali, I seem to remember you mentioned having another ability other then just your kill at some point? Have you claimed that?

How I used my power: on N1 I had no subtantial scumreads and two big townreads (SAS was the other) so I had to decide between the two. On N2 I had a subtantial scumread so I went for it.

No, I couldn’t have released Kokichi since I can only release or kill when my neighbor is full (2 people)

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Pb are you like a Jailkeeper? Like if you target someone they’ll dodge a kill but does that also apply to if they perform the kill?

Yes and I think so

Pb does it resolve before or after the mafia kill

I think so

It’s mostly a delayed vig but I do think I stopped the N1 kill

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It’s mostly a delayed vig but I do think I stopped the N1 kill

PB, if you are aware that you are a delayed Vig, why did you not question Ali d2 with her vig claim?

Also, I don't think anyone else has actually claimed anything to stop a kill except you so far, so plausible. But we still have a couple claims to go

I did say I was paranoid about Ali

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If PP is scum, yes, it should be!

Got corrected about this: if I got the last scum in my neighbor, they could technically win if I get killed or if I release them

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it wouldn't be prioritary to try to solve your slot because the higher chance is that you're simply town because your play has been towny, your reads are towny and your pushes seem genuine.

I am talking about this. You are a delayed vig, and someone else claims vig, and this is where you land on her.

Did you really think that town delayed vig + town unlimited shot vig had a chance to both be town in this game? --> And also think there was a 2 man scum team?

(And yes, I am asking about unlimited shot vig, not 1-shot, because that is what she said she was when you wrote this.)

I was never getting Ali eliminated yesterday and in my eyes they were bussing their partner so why bother? I needed to be alive today in order to prove my role and I wasn’t in the best position yesterday

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Also Wave, and I’m saying this now as an afterthought, my role could technically be used as a protective role with extra steps, so I don’t think it’s too crazy to make it live with a full vig. I didn’t think that was the case, I thought Ali was scum

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it wouldn't be prioritary to try to solve your slot because

the higher chance is that you're simply town

because your play has been towny, your reads are towny and your pushes seem genuine.

I am talking about this. You are a delayed vig, and someone else claims vig, and this is where you land on her.

Did you really think that town delayed vig + town unlimited shot vig had a chance to both be town in this game? --> And also think there was a 2 man scum team?

(And yes, I am asking about unlimited shot vig, not 1-shot, because that is what she said she was when you wrote this.)

I was never getting Ali eliminated yesterday and

in my eyes they were bussing their partner

so why bother? I needed to be alive today in order to prove my role and I wasn’t in the best position yesterday

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Sure I’ll end the day saying Ali is scum and risking getting shot instead of surviving to D3 which was my main goal

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Oh and that's why I was obsessed with your solve yesterday Ali, I needed to know who to target last night between Ircher and PP so even if you couldn't kill Ircher at least I got that right

And why were you then focused on using Ali's solve, who you thought was scum, to aim your ability?

Ali claimed they would shoot Ircher and eliminate me today; they said they would reconsider PP if day hasn’t ended at that point, it wasn’t part of their solve, it was part of mine

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Oh and that's why I was obsessed with your solve yesterday Ali, I needed to know who to target last night between Ircher and PP so even if you couldn't kill Ircher at least I got that right

And why were you then focused on using Ali's solve, who you thought was scum, to aim your ability?

Ali claimed they would shoot Ircher and eliminate me today; they said they would reconsider PP if day hasn’t ended at that point, it wasn’t part of their solve, it was part of mine

Right... but that post implied that you thought that Ali was going to shoot one of the scummier slots in the game, because you were obsessed with her solve because trying to avoid targeting the same person that she was.

Why did you actually think that she would be firing there, if she was scum in your mind.

And why are you not now jumping up and down that she is scum, who did not want to kill ircher, so she went from unlimited shot -> 1 shot over night so that she could kill the dragons.

Your play is not making sense to me from your claimed PoV.

I wanted the day to end and be alive today, that’s all you need to know.

I’m not jumping up and down because we’re mass claiming, I haven’t said anything about my reads today.

My play makes perfect sense if you stop assuming that everything I said yesterday was true and that my goal was being alive today.

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So you really believed that if you stated that you scum read Ali, there was a chance that scum!Ali would have actually killed you over the dragons, or me, or Stephen?

If Ali isn’t a vig and someone says they’re paranoid about them after their claim there’s a big fat chance that they come to the same conclusion you came up today and realize that I could be a vig and either counterclaim them or shoot them. In hindsight I should’ve lied about being paranoid about Ali in this thread but I didn’t want to say something I would not know how to back up after.

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Wave I get the desbelief but if you think that I’m a third party it doesn’t make sense to be this inquisitive, I’ve stated that I’m fine without not endgaming and I make no sense as the elimination today ‘cause either you think I’m scum fakeclaiming or I’m 3p/town and my elimination hinders town

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Kokichi and PP haven’t full claimed if you’re implying that you’re waiting me to do it

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No, they haven't posted since the massclaim started, I only knew Kokichi's role because we talked about it on D2

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No, they haven't posted since the massclaim started, I only knew Kokichi's role because we talked about it on D2

Forgot to mention: Kokichi said he can't tell me his flavor, I didn't insist on that so now that we're massclaiming I'll get on it

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Kokichi replied, I'm asking for the full claim

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Kokichi replied, I'm asking for the full claim

Part of his role is that he goes insane if he claims his real flavor so he can’t claim it.

That’s it

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I can't force him to do that! I'm as frustrated as you

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I'm an Extremely Apathetic Macaroni Penguin with a Chef's Hat. Due to my apathetic nature, I have to stay in bed sleeping (haha I'm in the dream dimension, funny) during nights 1 & 2, but starting night three I get up and can start cooking pasta to become super-pasta powered! I can cook, eat, and use the ability I gain from eating my food on the same night. I have enough ingredients to make two dishes, and only one of each dish. In short macaroni makes me a 1-shot bodyguard and spaghetti makes me a 1-shot follower.

I crumbed both my apathetic nature and bodyguard with my post 664 talking with Ali about my macaroni

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Sorry I missed breakfast service, but I should be back on the line now. Anyone want to give me a quick summary of where we're at?

I'll cook my famous macaroni for you...tomorrow. I'm too lazy to do it today.

Post that PP is referencing

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At which point we will ask SAS to actually play the game? At least we now know that players who weren't posting that much in here had a neighborhood. SAS has no excuse.

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kuribo I think you're up and we will be over with the mass claim

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Can you wait until tomorrow so I actually can use the vig?

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Why not? Are you worried about one of the two possible players dying?

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Kokichi replied, I'm asking for the full claim

Part of his role is that he goes insane if he claims his real flavor so he can’t claim it.

That’s it

So far all you have claimed as a role for kokachi is strongman.

You have added : can't flavor claim, but no active ability which is strongmanned.

That’s what Kokichi claimed, yes

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Wave I get the desbelief but if you think that I’m a third party it doesn’t make sense to be this inquisitive, I’ve stated that I’m fine without not endgaming and I make no sense as the elimination today ‘cause either you think I’m scum fakeclaiming or I’m 3p/town and my elimination hinders town

@LLD same for you

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Did you ask them about their other ability, have they stated that they won't claim it? Did they forget? Ect?

I asked for the flavor and told me that part of his role was not claiming his flavor or he would die

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I'm an Extremely Apathetic Macaroni Penguin with a Chef's Hat. Due to my apathetic nature, I have to stay in bed sleeping (haha I'm in the dream dimension, funny) during nights 1 & 2, but starting night three I get up and can start cooking pasta to become super-pasta powered! I can cook, eat, and use the ability I gain from eating my food on the same night. I have enough ingredients to make two dishes, and only one of each dish. In short macaroni makes me a 1-shot bodyguard and spaghetti makes me a 1-shot follower.

I crumbed both my apathetic nature and bodyguard with my post 664 talking with Ali about my macaroni

You think I wrote this @SAS?

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>=(

i'm best bird

You're best cat

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I am here to rescue Best Bird

well now i

know

it's [redacted] and he's trying to pocket me

>=(

i'm best bird

No hard feelings, LLD...I am literally Best Bird. I own the account.

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(By the way I'm not trying to prove the existence of a thread, I'm adding the quote thingy to distinguish between what I say and what I'm paraphrasing, just some pizzazz from yours trully)

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Penguins are in my top 3 animals in general not only birds

Along with red pandas and raccoons

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Vote: Pink Ball

I'm fine with this as long as you kill PP tomorrow and then you if PP flips scum

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Ok!

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I don't see my power as "too much power", more like "too swingy"

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I think if pb is 3rd party he literally cannot win this game if we elim wolves today and he has a wolf in his succ ability

I meaaaaaan I could argue that by play I make no sense as 3rd party but I've been accused of faking reads, being bad town, being bad scum and now I'm bad 3rd party so I'll just take the L, wait until the game ends, see what happened with night actions and realize I was actually MVP

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Honestly I might just post a whole page of Meows.

Like it's just 25 posts of only me Meowing.

Do you really think there's someone who would disapprove this? I won't, I certainly won't

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Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees

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Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees

Got my own personal win condition: post 1000

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I'm not voting PB today

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I am not settled on that, and I am still waiting on Kokachi's active ability to help me settle my thoughts on Ircher.

Wave I'm sorry, I don't get what you're waiting, Kokichi already claimed

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So we don't know why me and ceph's actions failed on Marashu

Now that we know there's a redirector, maybe your action or dragon's was redirected to Kokichi?

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I don't think PB is a third party and I don't think they're a wolf.

I have discounted the possibility of him being a wolf. Once it was pointed out that Marashu's role pm proves the scum team is not 2 man, his [2 man scum team + third party] world building makes less sense from scum!PB.

But I think that his world building originated from the knowledge of a third party existing, because he is the third party.

In the first paragraph you're overestimating me and in the second you're underestimating me lol

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Kokichi I only know he’s a strongman and targeted SAS on N1.

Oh no no makes whoever he targets unstoppable not only kills

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I don't think PB is a third party and I don't think they're a wolf.

I have discounted the possibility of him being a wolf. Once it was pointed out that Marashu's role pm proves the scum team is not 2 man, his [2 man scum team + third party] world building makes less sense from scum!PB.

But I think that his world building originated from the knowledge of a third party existing, because he is the third party.

In the first paragraph you're overestimating me and in the second you're underestimating me lol

It has nothing to do with over- or under- estimating you

I think that you perspective slipped.

And that perspective slip could not happen from the pov of the scum team, but could happen from the pov of the third party.

Yes, you're implying that I can't fake a perspective slip and then saying that I can fall in an actual perspective slip, that's what I mean

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OH.

I thought that HIS ability was a strong man ability of an unclaimed variety.

Not that his ability MADE his target a strong man

My bad on wording

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Yeah, I am saying that it looked like a genuine perspective slip.

Then asking what pov it could come from.

And my response to that is that I would be too self conscious for even implying the existence of a third party while being a third party myself (or at least a third party that hinders a town win condition)

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Kokichi wants everyone to know that he's scumreading me

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PB you targetted Kokichi right

Yes

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Oh I was thinking that the power could work like "I target Ali and Kokichi -> Ali's action is targeted to Kokichi"
If would make sense with Kokichi's role

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Oh

I was thinking about it as a scum rolestop and a scum redirector/busdriver being the last two scum.

But actually, a scum redirector targeting Marashu -> Kokichi and then Dragons -> Me would answer both

redirect makes person a target person b
me and dragons both targetted marashu but instead both of our actions failed. I don't know what to call this role, it is within the realm of redirection, but it's not a redirector

Marashu roleblocks one of you two, redirector redirects one of you two to Kokichi

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Pretty sure it's just ircher and he's actually not a miller

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There’s something worth to note about the setup about roles that pair with other: SAS and LLD, Kokichi and the redirector, Wave and Ircher

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I would like to solve the pairings too since they seem to cancel each other. Double vote for town -> scum makes a player easier to eliminate, or viseversa. Scum gets a redirector -> town gets a player that can ignore that… you get the point

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My theory falls because we should be looking at 2 remaining scum and not three, but if we think Wave’s role as proving that the miller is town is not that bad

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What I’m trying to say is, even if one of LLD or SAS is scum, none of them would be the redirector

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Pb what are your reads on Kokichi and pp?

We’ve just began to discuss everything so I can answer this later, but Kokichi for his play on D2 makes no sense as Marashu’s partner

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I don’t think you’ve played shit fwiw

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I'm an Extremely Apathetic Macaroni Penguin with a Chef's Hat. Due to my apathetic nature, I have to stay in bed sleeping (haha I'm in the dream dimension, funny) during nights 1 & 2, but starting night three I get up and can start cooking pasta to become super-pasta powered! I can cook, eat, and use the ability I gain from eating my food on the same night. I have enough ingredients to make two dishes, and only one of each dish. In short macaroni makes me a 1-shot bodyguard and spaghetti makes me a 1-shot follower.

I crumbed both my apathetic nature and bodyguard with my post 664 talking with Ali about my macaroni

Btw does this look paraphrased to anyone?

It is, believe me

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And like ig I can buy the perspective slip
It wouldn’t be the first time pb has slipped

When have I slipped????? I’m too fucking paranoid to slip and since english’s not my first language I usually double check my posts

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Whats that I don’t remember any details of my old games (except when I shot myself as scum and won because I got bus driven)

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I’m practically at L-1 with that vote