In post 1858, Black wrote:
IMO Vander was playing super safe and careful.
He was?
Do you disagree? He was on his best town behavior imo and everyone widely TR him for it. This strikes me as someone who is not going to leave a trail of crumbs to his Kira if he is ever investigated
Do you feel Vander accusing HPE of being a follower in 407 + 408 was a part of this strategy?
In post 755, Vanderscamp wrote:Because I don't think HPE's post makes any sense at all, you could basically sub in any name for yours and the post would be exactly the same. The only place HPE talks about you specifically is mentioning that you have been scummy.
There was
no
defense of Kawaii. The post was only about the misunderstanding of what daykill meant, as this one thought you were referring to the detective's Condemn ability, not just voting someone off to eliminate them. The argument was vote don't condemn, because again, it misunderstood. Will you stop continuing the misunderstanding yourself now, please?
Oh, sorry.
Yeah that makes more sense now.
looking back im having trouble finding meaningful interactions between Vander and HPE.
im not sure. like i could see it as trying to cast shade onto HPE to see if it sticks. it doesn't make a lot of sense with an HPE!kira world
it could also be an attempt at distancing, the follower not trying to alert HPE that they're a follower, but trying to separate themselves and make it look like, in the event they got caught, that HPE wasn't kira.
In post 1872, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Black, what if Gimli is tricking you? How can you be so pawsitive that it's not Kira's mind games working on you?
I'm not that positive. I'm not very good at this game so I'm going on what I feel. My detective thought it was HPE and I think she's right
Your detective also wanted Gimli.
BUT, you need to be more confident in yourself! We are so fur-tunate to have you as Kitty's assistant
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
In post 1875, KawaiiKame wrote:
Do you feel Vander accusing HPE of being a follower in 407 + 408 was a part of this strategy?
407 & 408 is a clear scumread on HPE, but later Vander did his reads list in 1419 and conveniently left HPE out. Saying HPE was showing follwer signs in 407/408 and then not going anywhere with it and completely forgetting about it makes me feel like this was an empty forced read
In post 1874, Black wrote:
Counter question Kokichi - how can you be so sure it's not HPE?
I'm not, I'm just keeping my options open
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
In post 1876, Save The Dragons wrote:
it could also be an attempt at distancing, the follower not trying to alert HPE that they're a follower, but trying to separate themselves and make it look like, in the event they got caught, that HPE wasn't kira.
This is how I feel. If we think Vander was signaling to his Kira all game then Kira is Gimli. If we think Vander tried to avoid his Kira all game then it's HPE
In post 1876, Save The Dragons wrote:
it could also be an attempt at distancing, the follower not trying to alert HPE that they're a follower, but trying to separate themselves and make it look like, in the event they got caught, that HPE wasn't kira.
This is how I feel. If we think Vander was signaling to his Kira all game then Kira is Gimli. If we think Vander tried to avoid his Kira all game then it's HPE
This is pretty much what it comes down to, yes.
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How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
In post 755, Vanderscamp wrote:Because I don't think HPE's post makes any sense at all, you could basically sub in any name for yours and the post would be exactly the same. The only place HPE talks about you specifically is mentioning that you have been scummy.
There was
no
defense of Kawaii. The post was only about the misunderstanding of what daykill meant, as this one thought you were referring to the detective's Condemn ability, not just voting someone off to eliminate them. The argument was vote don't condemn, because again, it misunderstood. Will you stop continuing the misunderstanding yourself now, please?
Oh, sorry.
Yeah that makes more sense now.
looking back im having trouble finding meaningful interactions between Vander and HPE.
im not sure. like i could see it as trying to cast shade onto HPE to see if it sticks. it doesn't make a lot of sense with an HPE!kira world
it could also be an attempt at distancing, the follower not trying to alert HPE that they're a follower, but trying to separate themselves and make it look like, in the event they got caught, that HPE wasn't kira.
I mean all this interaction proved is HPE is not a Follower, it didn't prove HPE is not Kira, Idk what the point of Vander accusing HPE being a follower only to back off when giving a reasonable explanation if the aim was to disprove HPE being Kira
Vander had systematic logic the whole game, coming to the most reasonable conclusions, so I see Vander accepting HPE's explanation as is at face value since it makes sense logically, I feel Vand may have let off HPE too easily since he pursued everyone else but it's hard to say he didn't back off HPE with logic alone
i think in my mind as a follower, i would attempt to distance but do it lightly, i wouldn't try to signal because it's too risky, especially if i knew i'd likely have to fall on my sword for kira at some point. i think that makes HPE more likely than Gimli, with HPE hoping the anonymous note would stir the pot and push us towards gimli.
i think that's where my head's at atm but i want to think it through some more.
In post 1889, KawaiiKame wrote:
I feel Vand may have let off HPE too easily since he pursued everyone else but it's hard to say he didn't back off HPE with logic alone
I mean can you really even say Vander backed off of HPE when he wasn't really on HPE to begin with? This follower comment is the only read he
In post 1889, KawaiiKame wrote:
Vander had systematic logic the whole game, coming to the most reasonable conclusions, so I see Vander accepting HPE's explanation as is at face value since it makes sense logically, I feel Vand may have let off HPE too easily since he pursued everyone else but it's hard to say he didn't back off HPE with logic alone
oh wait a minute
do you think tossing a softball and having HPE knock it down for Vander to be like "you're right daddy kira" could have been a signal to HPE that Vander was a follower or is that too big brain
In post 1892, Save The Dragons wrote:
with HPE hoping the anonymous note would stir the pot and push us towards gimli.
Everyone seems to be overlooking this. HPE even said it tried to remain anonymous on the note. That means it was not planning on telling us it wrote it. It was going to blindly agree with the note all along and push Gimli, but kawaii ruined that plan
Living and dying by the Detective alone is a poor idea in general this one thinks, because you should really take what was not considered by the Detective into account. See: The things this one pointed out in its announcement.
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In post 1892, Save The Dragons wrote:
with HPE hoping the anonymous note would stir the pot and push us towards gimli.
Everyone seems to be overlooking this. HPE even said it tried to remain anonymous on the note. That means it was not planning on telling us it wrote it. It was going to blindly agree with the note all along and push Gimli, but kawaii ruined that plan
This one never said it was going to never reveal it wrote it, just that not getting instantly biased against by people who are already inclined to think me as Kira is nice.
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