Mini 2292: Anything uPick - Game Over!

[Pink Ball]

What world are we dealing with if LLD is town?
A SAS and PB wolfteam?

Yes.

I was leaning SAS>LLD before your case.

YOU SAID YES HERE

[Pink Ball]

Oh sorry didn't see your last post

[Pink Ball]

Dudeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee opening up options of PP being scum???????

[Wavelength]

Kokichi is dead and Pink Ball is making shit up

he can't talk to dead people he just kills people

or maybe they're stuck inside his stomach or something

I am here to rescue Best Bird

You can see the transition right in the ISO, from "PinkBall is lying about everything" to "wait, lets kill PB to save the people he kidnapped"

Like, even the tone and mood of his posting up ticked here as he saw that as a possibility

[Alisae]

SAS was single mindedly focused on PB in a way that I felt like could be him as scum trying to avoid having other scum reads, and his push was fairly ineffectual at first.

But looking back, his push actually had an uptick after PB claimed that the people in his hood could come back. Suddenly, he was interested in "saving" the people in PB's hood.

he didn’t believe for a second that people would come back from pb’s hood.
SAS doesn’t have to play this way if he’s a wolf with PB. If he’s a wolf with pb he decided to immediately hard bus his partner and LLD played a major role in getting most town dead compared to SAS.
And everyone who had a read on SAS was like “ya I believe he has this read.”

Also if this were really the case, wouldn’t the game be over now?
Like why wouldn’t a wolf pb hammer a town LLD here if those 2 are the team?

[Pink Ball]

Because he has to push the rethoric of me being 3p

[Wavelength]

Okay, running through the numbers like stephen did, but with there being 6 alive instead of 5

If we are at 3:2:1, and we kill Pink Ball, and then there is a night kill, that would make tomorrow 2:2

We lose...

So yeah. We should have killed pink ball yesterday

I guess there is the possibility that one of PB's targets were scum since they did not flip, but it seems scary to bet the game on that. So I am gonna work from the assumption that we are 3:2:1 right now.

I think that flea is the person that I am most prepared to treat as 100% town.

I guess there is the possibility that one of PB's targets were scum since they did not flip, but it seems scary to bet the game on that. So I am gonna work from the assumption that we are 3:2:1 right now.

I think that flea is the person that I am most prepared to treat as 100% town.

That just leaves 1 more town in [Ali, Stephen, LLD]

I really want to believe its Ali, but Stephen+LLD going at one another so much leading into the end game makes me question if they can be teamed

I guess there is the possibility that one of PB's targets were scum since they did not flip, but it seems scary to bet the game on that. So I am gonna work from the assumption that we are 3:2:1 right now.

I think that flea is the person that I am most prepared to treat as 100% town.

That just leaves 1 more town in [Ali, Stephen, LLD]

I really want to believe its Ali, but Stephen+LLD going at one another so much leading into the end game makes me question if they can be teamed

Maybe the game actually makes more sense if one of Kokichi / Penguin was scum?

Because Ali being town, and then it being *one of* Stephen/LLD makes a lot more sense to me with how I have been reading this game.

PB is acting like I am suddenly having these thoughts because I am trying to save LLD, but these were my thoughts walking into the day.

[Wavelength]

SAS was single mindedly focused on PB in a way that I felt like could be him as scum trying to avoid having other scum reads, and his push was fairly ineffectual at first.

But looking back, his push actually had an uptick after PB claimed that the people in his hood could come back. Suddenly, he was interested in "saving" the people in PB's hood.

he didn’t believe for a second that people would come back from pb’s hood.
SAS doesn’t have to play this way if he’s a wolf with PB. If he’s a wolf with pb he decided to immediately hard bus his partner and LLD played a major role in getting most town dead compared to SAS.
And everyone who had a read on SAS was like “ya I believe he has this read.”

Also if this were really the case, wouldn’t the game be over now?
Like why wouldn’t a wolf pb hammer a town LLD here if those 2 are the team?

I am going to stop using abbreviations, because you are not understanding me.

I do not think that the team is Stephen + PinkBall.

I think that it is possible that it is 3rd party pinkball and then group scum Stephen + maybe Penguin Power.

Pink Ball cannot lol!hammer in that world. He is outed.

[Alisae]

What world are we dealing with if LLD is town?
A SAS and PB wolfteam?

Yes.

I was leaning SAS>LLD before your case.

I misread when I said Yes.

I was saying yes to SAS+Penguin Power, not PB

PP has no reason to confirm the existence of the PT. If he’s a wolf with Sas he leaves it ambiguous.
Attempting to get confirmation of the PT is LLD’s play, not PPs.

Heck honestly, we don’t even have proof that PP was the one who verified the PT existed, we can only go off of word of mouth of 2 players here

[Pink Ball]

NO DUDE, I said that you started subtlely suggesting it and when LLD came to E-1 you went full aggro, don't lie

[Wavelength]

Ali you have yet to give me a single scenario where your path wins, but mine loses.

And you refusing to consider my path WHEN IT WINS IF YOU ARE RIGHT TOO.

Is incredibly frustrating.

Like, you unilaterally have decided what we are doing today, and are not treating this like the team game it is supposed to be.

[Alisae]

SAS was single mindedly focused on PB in a way that I felt like could be him as scum trying to avoid having other scum reads, and his push was fairly ineffectual at first.

But looking back, his push actually had an uptick after PB claimed that the people in his hood could come back. Suddenly, he was interested in "saving" the people in PB's hood.

he didn’t believe for a second that people would come back from pb’s hood.
SAS doesn’t have to play this way if he’s a wolf with PB. If he’s a wolf with pb he decided to immediately hard bus his partner and LLD played a major role in getting most town dead compared to SAS.
And everyone who had a read on SAS was like “ya I believe he has this read.”

Also if this were really the case, wouldn’t the game be over now?
Like why wouldn’t a wolf pb hammer a town LLD here if those 2 are the team?

I am going to stop using abbreviations, because you are not understanding me.

I do not think that the team is Stephen + PinkBall.

I think that it is possible that it is 3rd party pinkball and then group scum Stephen + maybe Penguin Power.

Pink Ball cannot lol!hammer in that world. He is outed.

He’s not a third party.
PP is just town here, this is his village gameplay. It’s easier for PP to engage in thread when he can just say what he wants.

[Wavelength]

Ali you have yet to give me a single scenario where your path wins, but mine loses.

Like in all worlds you have presented, it wins on the exact same DAY PHASE. We do not even delay the win.

If it is LLD+PB, then we win tomorrow with an LLD kill. If it is me+LLD, then your plan was already kill LLD->PB->Me. So switching to PB->LLD-ME wins in exactly the same amount of time for both teams you have said are possible.

But if you are WRONG, and I am RIGHT, you are throwing this game for no reason other then you deciding that we are doing it in your order just because.

[Wavelength]

He’s not a third party.

I disagree, and you are not willing to budge to cover my concern? Even though from your POV, it should be exactly the same?

from your POV there should be NO BENEFIT to doing it in your order, and even if you think that it is fruitless, you could do it just to make me feel better, instead of stripping me of all agency this day phase.

[Alisae]

Ali you have yet to give me a single scenario where your path wins, but mine loses.

And you refusing to consider my path WHEN IT WINS IF YOU ARE RIGHT TOO.

Is incredibly frustrating.

Like, you unilaterally have decided what we are doing today, and are not treating this like the team game it is supposed to be.

Ur path is better, I’m not the person who you should be convincing here unless you really just want me to unvote.

You’re frustrated but I don’t entirely get how you think it could still be something like Sas + pp where I feel like I’ve explained where I’m coming from from d1 to now.

[Wavelength]

Ur path is better, I’m not the person who you should be convincing here unless you really just want me to unvote.

I need your vote, so yes. I need you to convince you, and I need you to unvote.

And then I can talk to Flea.

I am genearlly assuming that I have LLD's vote by default, when the alternative is her own elim.

You are the one who gets to decide which path we are doing here.

[Alisae]

U need to convince LLD to vote pink first.

[Alisae]

U don’t really have to convince me or flea we will go there
Heck, if flea votes it, I’ll vote it.

[Pink Ball]

Pink Ball cannot lol!hammer in that world. He is outed.

You know what Wave?
VOTE: LLD
There, you got it. I said I was going to wait for you to say your thing, but 'your thing' is bullshit, Ali thinks it's bullshit too so clearly thinking it's bullshit is not scumdriven, it's just you being scum needing to get rid of a potential 3p that has no sense of being a 3p from a town perspective, you're just scared of me.

[Wavelength]

Ali you have yet to give me a single scenario where your path wins, but mine loses.

And you refusing to consider my path WHEN IT WINS IF YOU ARE RIGHT TOO.

Is incredibly frustrating.

Like, you unilaterally have decided what we are doing today, and are not treating this like the team game it is supposed to be.

Ur path is better, I’m not the person who you should be convincing here unless you really just want me to unvote.

You’re frustrated but I don’t entirely get how you think it could still be something like Sas + pp where I feel like I’ve explained where I’m coming from from d1 to now.

I don't think that your explenation for PB's play / role makes more sense then him being third party, and you are literally world building from a starting point that I dont agree with.

If I am right, and PB is 3rd party, you don't think that suddenly your solve path would be different?

That is what the PB flip gets us. The chance to start from the same place when trying to sort between LLD and SAS

[Wavelength]

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

[Wavelength]

ALI THIS IS WHY I FUCKING ASKED YOU TO UNVOTE

[Pink Ball]

I'm targeting SAS and bringing back PP to the game so game won't be over even if LLD flips town, so bye bye good night

[Alisae]

Ok wave if this goes wrong
I’ll accept responsibility that comes with it?
Not much we can do now :/

[Pink Ball]

ALI THIS IS WHY I FUCKING ASKED YOU TO UNVOTE

If you're town this is your fault for being so daft about me