Open 875 - The Kindgom of Zeal: The Queens Chosen - GAME OVER

[Umlaut]

Upgrade furtive a tier for 222, because it's a relatively surprising but reasonable basis for a town read that I don't think would occur to someone who is just making stuff up (though if furtive is scum and Korina is town it's possible it's just a real reason, so not conclusive, just a good look)

[Umlaut]

Also, the "pushing sideways" of offering reads on Korina and me when we are not really the topic of discussion seems to come from a more town place to me

[Umlaut]

Explain Dragons and Gimli townreads?

Kinda surprised you remember my play well enough to call 89 town but apparently don't remember I get page one readslists.

I do remember that, doesn't mean I'm not going to ask where the reads come from.

What do you hope to gain from asking Ranger about her page 1 readlists?

I don't know, I saw a read that surprised me and I asked about it. I didn't get anything from the answer so you're right that the question didn't help much in the end, but if something surprises me I'm going to at least point it out.

[LavosCore]

Vote Count 1-4

Ranger

(5)

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Lady Lambdadelta - Ranger - redFF - Umlaut - Korina

redFF

(2)

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Gimli - Save The Dragons

Gimli

(1)

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Sail

Umlaut

(2)

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Cephrir - Detective Penguin

Not Voting

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Ethel - Radical Rat - furtiveglance

With 13 players in the game, 7 are required to Yeet unto the Eternal Void .

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[Detective Penguin]

VOTE: redff

[Cephrir]

i think furtive is scum too

btw if anyone tries to kill ethel today i will unhinge my jaw and swallow them whole. just a heads up

I agree with both of these takes atm but I wanna give furtive a lot of room to get into the game cause he can be quite the obvtown. last post he made hit his scum meta harder than an overhand though

while I do agree killing ethel is really bad, are you defending them cause new player, cause they're towny, or something else?

Because I'm quite fond of her and I want her to have a nice time

[redFF]

"Blatantly coasting" is town redFF

[Cephrir]

Ranger, what is your stance on lying about your role as mafia? I ask because the phrasing "I act N1" does not strictly indicate alignment.

[Gimli]

I enjoyed ethel's questioning lld on what the meta was for that first post and its funny how much we openly avoid confronting the nature of certain reads. this is the first time someone asks lld for a reasoning on ranger that goes past 'this is your scum tells', it's coming from a player who never mafia'd on a forum before while we put ranger on E-2 mainly on the back of that initial push.

[Cephrir]

That's true. I think we largely expect to not receive a useful answer, but that doesn't mean it's not worth asking.

[Gimli]

townies in (ethel ceph umlaut lld ranger peng sail). more certain on peng not too sure about the others. I like the vibe of ceph's this game but I heavily dislike the way he pushed ranger. same goes for umlaut, though umlaut is giving me more townie looking solvey posts that I can townread them for.

how about this POE for d1: (korina, RR, sail, std, furtive, redff)

[Gimli]

furtive townreading korina for something that's as close as you can get from reading a player mechanically (posting more scumreads than townreads) is not great and feels informed. I don't agree with sail's take on it but I think they had a towny perspective about furtive and I'm townleaning that approach

[Save The Dragons]

I think I townlean korina

[furtiveglance]

furtive townreading korina for something that's as close as you can get from reading a player mechanically (posting more scumreads than townreads) is not great and feels informed. I don't agree with sail's take on it but I think they had a towny perspective about furtive and I'm townleaning that approach

Gimli seems off, fake, this doesn't look like a real Gimli thought

[Ranger]

Ranger, what is your stance on lying about your role as mafia? I ask because the phrasing "I act N1" does not strictly indicate alignment.

I literally created an entire fakeclaim without mod help (we had no pre-made claims) in my last scumgame.

I've been lying in scumgames since my very first one. Scum lie. It’s their job to. Telling the truth is against their win condition.

[Gimli]

furtive townreading korina for something that's as close as you can get from reading a player mechanically (posting more scumreads than townreads) is not great and feels informed. I don't agree with sail's take on it but I think they had a towny perspective about furtive and I'm townleaning that approach

Gimli seems off, fake, this doesn't look like a real Gimli thought

why? I see you townreading korina for a bunch of 'i like this' 'i dont like that', her reads seem shallow, and your reasoning isn't how I expect you to townhunt.

[furtiveglance]

I pretty consistently look for people actively scumhunting to townread.

So your read on me looks like uncharitable

[Ranger]

{Gimli, Cephrir}
{Sail}
{Detective Penguin, Save The Dragons}
{Korina}
{Radical Rat, Lady Lambdadelta}
{Ethel}
{Umlaut}
{furtiveglance, redFF}


I don’t think Cephrir comes up with 232 as scum. I'm already dead; sorting out the technicalities of my claim is effort he needn't put in. The thought process of spotting a potential abuse of exact wording tracks with him developing genuine thoughts, showing critical thinking and targeted solving.

LLD's move downwards is simply further doubts about her approach being town. I had a thought last night which made me doubt her towniness. Her posts have a lot of bravado to them. She isn’t engaging with most of the game. She isn’t reevaluating. Her reasoning feels set to the read, because she genuinely

is

just making stuff up about me. Call it bias, but I happen to know her callouts are entirely wrong on every level. Her stance on me feels divorced from reality, not just because of my alignment, but because of the description of my play.

She already justified being wrong about me by making a self-evidently empty promise of being BoP'd. We all know after my townflip, LLD won’t

actually

volunteer as tribute to be eliminated. So her offer wasn't genuine.

Does this make her scum?

Idk honestly.

It gives me enough hesitancy to place her at null tho.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is the actual definiton of flailing. You're throwing ideas and reads at a wall and seeing what sticks.

I'm reading the rest of the game. I have given thoughts about other people's posting, but I'm not loosening the noose from around your neck.

You should probably claim. Or don't, I don't really care. You're dying today either way.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Here's the fun additional evidence for people. Ranger stopped engaging with any of my rebutals or points ages ago. Ranger has been taking small pot shots here and there to look like they are engaging but when I engage with every read list change they make and point out how ludicrous and transparently manipulative it is, they don't engage with me to try and convince me otherwise.

Which is interesting, for someone who until recently townread me at the highest amount in the game, and even now only has me at null. You'd think, for someone who is invested as a townie in making this work, they would have engaged with me. Or even tried to actually sort my alignment by engaging with me.

Instead it's smoke and mirrors and handwaving. It's agendaful posting intended to create certain responses, and not town motivated solving.

[furtiveglance]

LLD, what's the tell?

[Ranger]

"Blatantly coasting" is town redFF

Thinking about it, this is sadly plausible. It’s not enough to reverse my read, but redFF isn’t my strongest scumread rn.

That'd be Umlaut.

I find the level of read progression, reevaluation, thought process, and reads themselves to all be lackluster. It’s been years since we played together, but I'm

fairly

sure he's a much better town player than his play this game indicates. He looks like he's faking his towngame, doing the necessary motions, but not putting in depth of thought.

[Ranger]

{Gimli, Cephrir}
{Sail}
{Detective Penguin, Save The Dragons}
{Korina}
{Ethel}
{Radical Rat, Lady Lambdadelta}
{redFF}
{furtiveglance}
{Umlaut}

Current thoughts.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, what's the tell?

Why would I say that if I'm gonna run into Ranger again lol

[Ranger]

You should probably claim. You're dying today either way.

For someone claiming they're reading the game, you're apparently quite bad at it. :P

I repeatedly have already claimed.

I act N1.
I've no need to specify role because my role will flip. It’s the night which won’t. Contrary to your claims I'm trying to save myself, I've made it quite clear I know I'm dead today. Why do I need to claim my role? It'll flip when I do, minus the night. I've stated the night; N1. So between my statement and my flip, all the info's already there.