Open 875 - The Kindgom of Zeal: The Queens Chosen - GAME OVER

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ranger has the same fucking tell, I saw it, I'm applying it, it's not fucking fair that I get lambasted like this.

About that.

I'm town, so clearly whatever the tell is? Doesn't apply to me. I've the right to be furious you're applying a tell from someone else (who I've been

very

insistent in not comparing to me), and the tell is

wrong

because I am not them (meaning my insistence to not be compared to them was

justified

because comparing me to them

resulted in a wrong read

).

I'd love to say more but I cannot. (This much should be okay, at least I hope.)

I realize there's plenty more to talk about.

But you will understand my anger when I flip town. And you

cannot

tell me it's unjustified when I am town, you said I was scum by a tell not even designed for me, and you pushed my mislim through using it.

There are more reasons you have used than just the tell.
Those reasons are disingenuous because they were fueled by the tell. (This is something I could prove easily if I cared to. To demonstrate this statement's not hot air, example: regardless of what I claimed you'd have pushed me. Cop? I want to live through N1. Doc? I don't want to claim a result D2. I didn't claim which role so your take was to call me scum for it. Whichever option I did, you would call it scum, because the tell is the basis of the read, not the content I've given. Don't pretend I'm wrong on that, you

know

whatever I claimed, you'd have called a scumclaim.)

Nothing you say will change I'm town.
Nothing you say will change you've specified you're using a tell for me. (You've repeatedly said you are.)
Nothing you say will change that tell being wrong. (See point #1.)
Nothing you say will change that tell having been developed for someone other than me. (I wasn't playing, ergo, it couldn't be developed for me.)

Nothing you say will change your push having been disingenuous because of your reasons being fueled by the tell. (You're lying if you say your secondary reasons didn't flow from the primary one. Maybe deliberately, maybe to yourself. Regardless of whether you know it's tunnelvisioning or you genuinely have the blindness to not see the confirmation bias, it's still true.)

These are all facts.

They are demonstrable. I'm reasonably certain this statement's within the bounds of rules for both site and game.

I was confused by the wrong read. I understand most wrong reads, and they're usually nothing which bothers me. It's a game.
I've strong reasons to be angry at

this

wrong read.

They're not all facts and and you're still scum.
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The bolded things are unacceptable and clearly intended to bait me.

Let me tell you something very clearly. Saying that someone is "lying to themselves" is gaslighting. You know what you're doing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Unacceptable.

[Ranger]

I think Korina and Umlaut are town so far, how's that?

For the record, I believe a town-furtive would be more passionate here. He's muted here. Lacks passion, lacks fire. Flat reads, lacking in his normal personality. He's stating reads (not great ones), and not demonstrating followthrough to pursue them.

{Gimli, Cephrir, Lady Lambdadelta}
{Detective Penguin}
{Sail}
{Save The Dragons}
{Korina}
{Ethel}
{Radical Rat}
{redFF}
{furtiveglance, Umlaut}

(tentative list, needs updating on Sail - Ethel)

[furtiveglance]

How do you follow through on 2 medium strength townreads at this stage

[Ranger]

Also, the "pushing sideways" of offering reads on Korina and me when we are not really the topic of discussion seems to come from a more town place to me

Disagreed. That's exactly what makes it scum.

furtive's not focusing on getting a

scumread

voted. He's focused more on town, when there is a notable debate. Previously, a town-furtive has demonstrated actively being involved in the debate, either forming a definitive stance on it or trying to defuse it by placing attention on a scumread.

He has not.

[furtiveglance]

I'm undecided on the main wagon, which is you.

[Detective Penguin]

tbf- you've had opportunity to help start new wagons prior to you and you've done.....nothing

[Ranger]

I think I townlean korina

Can you elaborate?

I'm not satisfied with my Korina read. I

share

it

currently

(townlean), but I'd love your perspective.

[Ranger]

It's precisely what you'd do in this scenario.

Fun fact I actually have games demonstrating precisely what I'd do. (As a hint, it wasn't posting a storm. That'd be gamethrowing. The more posts scum make the more info they leave which can catch their scumbuddies.)

I get you like to be obtuse and then claim how good your logic is by comparison to everyone elses (when it's never good, but I digress)

Do I have this trait?

If so it certainly needs to change.

It sounds like someone else though. (This is a common theme it seems.)

As far as I know

, I've been open about my logic just being mine, not better than anyone else's.

If I am mistaken (and it certainly is possible I am), I'll work on that.

So then why is she above Null?

Gut? Vibes? It felt right at the time.

Still does.

nor am I super interested in her atm

Why were you not interested in me then, STD?

[Detective Penguin]

meh

VOTE: furtive

that's probably e-1 idrc I just want this day over

[Ranger]

aren't you kind of admitting here that this isn't as ironclad as you're making it out to be?

She is!
There's a reason for that. :P

It's just anti spew Ceph.

Having the fourth-most posts in the game and constantly giving reads and backing them up with reason at every stage sure is a funny method of antispew. Not exactly my cup of tea though.

it frightens me to agree with you

Clarify; is it the read (Umlaut scum), or the person making it (me), which frightens you to agree with?

Sail's 295 isn't great, but I like 293+294; townread there holds.

{Gimli, Cephrir, Lady Lambdadelta}
{Detective Penguin, Sail}
{Save The Dragons}
{Korina}
{Ethel}
{Radical Rat}
{redFF}
{furtiveglance, Umlaut}

[Ranger]

VOTE: furtive
that's probably e-1 idrc I just want this day over

Pretty sure it is.

I'm not ready for the day end.

I realize I have an easy out here. E-1, it's not on me, I'm not voting the wagon.

I'm not taking it because--shocker--I'm town and there's something everyone seems to have overlooked.

There's a slot in this game with zero posts.

Radical Rat hasn't posted once.

Even if everyone else had completely finished their solving for the day.

They've not had a chance to contribute theirs.

Regardless of town or scum, RR should be given the chance to contribute.

[Detective Penguin]

I don't really have much empathy for an undefined v/la at game join.

[Detective Penguin]

deadlines exist independent of v/la's

[Ranger]

I don't really have much empathy for an undefined v/la at game join.

This would be fine if we were eliminating the slot.

We're not.

Since Radical Rat is not the slot at e-1, eliminating a slot before Radical Rat contributes means RR is given no chance to spew themselves scum (if scum) and has an entire night phase to come up with a perfect D2 entrance,
Has no chance to form an opinion on a night action (if town with an N1 action),
Has no chance to contribute at all (if town and nightkilled; admittedly not likely),
Etc.

I'd prefer to wait, even if waiting seals my own death. (All the sooner to be vindicative.)

[Ranger]

308/309 I'm mostly ambivalent, but loosely they actually look +scum to me for Korina.

314/315 are also largely ambivalent, but loosely gut-town to me.


320/321/323 vibe harder as town tho.
Korina was busy, mobile, unable to contribute much. Those contributions from them ring +town with the Gimli interaction.

[furtiveglance]

meh

VOTE: furtive

that's probably e-1 idrc I just want this day over

I didn't realise there was a wagon on me at all.

I'm a Night 1 Cop.

[furtiveglance]

All I wanted to do was survive to get my check done and now I can't even do that

[furtiveglance]

Wagon on me looks properly disgusting.

redFF is clearly scum from the way he talks about doing nothing as town

I don't know what that means for Ranger's alignment. Ranger is 100% a better kill than me though obviously.

STD probably scum on my wagon, Cephrir also has potential.

[furtiveglance]

This is the first time I've ever had a Cop role and I'm not even gonna get to use it.

First investigative of any kind I think.

[Detective Penguin]

UNVOTE:

would be happy not to believe you but meh

your day play today has been very underwhelming as town

[furtiveglance]

UNVOTE:

would be happy not to believe you but meh

your day play today has been very underwhelming as town

LLD tunnel on Ranger sort of took over the day, and I found that interaction hard to read

Tried to give some reads on other players, apparently that was too surface-level and TMI

Several players are also being hypocritical.

You for instance haven't done anything extraordinary (do you ever?), and Ceph and STD are coasting as usual.

[Detective Penguin]

way to project instead of own...I would be happy to get rid of you for that alone if you didn't have to now die or confirm a slot

[furtiveglance]

This wagon on me makes me very grrrr

I have no faith in this group to get a town win whatsoever, even though this setup should be townsided.

I wanted to play a quiet day and do my check

[furtiveglance]

way to project instead of own...I would be happy to get rid of you for that alone if you didn't have to now die or confirm a slot

Yeah I'll own my terrible crimes...of what exactly?

Not posting every 5 minutes?

In that case Radical Rat should be up in flames