Election! | GAME OVER

[Alisae]

I am lost

me too brother

[Alisae]

Ali scummy, although he didn't go in depth on that.

LOL

[Alisae]

gun to head lorne played the past day phase like a wolf who knew xof flipped town and planned to use that cred to push another miselim coming into today

[Alisae]

like his posting around the time he voted actiondan was ok but then he fell off and basically coasted off of that and that alone.

[Alisae]

I thought in the moment it looked like solving
I was willing to see where it went but he didn't do anything with it.

[Alisae]

I think I like more their xof unvote on that page tbh

[Alisae]

Spoiler: Lorne posts

It's very sad to be voting my counterwagon, because I usually consider that a pussy move, but in this case my reasoning is different, so sadly I'll allow it to myself
VOTE: xofelf

I'm gonna be around for a bit! plan is to reread meowth ISO + gimli/furtive but also available for real time jamming

I mean mechanically we want town on all of the roles

I think talking about reads is helpful for this purpose

my thesis is we suck at finding town too much within 48 hours of game start for it to outweigh the info it gives scum

ok sorry whatever I'll just afk until the deadline

ok sorry whatever I'll just afk until the deadline

anyone is free to do whatever, im just explaining my behavior

this doesn't strike me as a S-S interaction. meowth's 369 is kinda conciliatory and defensive in a way I don't think he'd be if they were just distancing

VOTE: Unvote

i dont have a strong read on ausuka, but i do think there was some weird pushing against her that i didnt understand, which makes me lean town overall. i did find the enchant townread weird. there are a lot of differing opinions about ausuka though so ask me again after the first flip.

I also think this feels a lot more like a TMI townread or buddying ('weird pushing against her that i didn't understand) than distancing

Those are some exceptional reads, you have cleared yourself and Ausuka in my eyes

Hey Lion what do you think of pooky and meowth interactions?

VOTE: ActionDan
This seems quite obvious to me, I'm surprised I'm the first vote here

I personally want cakez to get his trash collector despite being of the mind that my candidacy there would be the most useful place for me

why and why

My own opinion on UNOwen rides between Bingle's and Meowth's in that logically there isn't anything in the "fluffy short iso" I can pin down as scummy (I don't think either of 222 or 424 are egregiously scummy) but the fact that those are the only two posts that would qualify as content in 20 pages is.

exactly this

I think the only thing I'd like to ask Meowth... is why the Enchant vote?

just seeing this now

datisi is good at town, not good for us if killed n1 in a 2 for 1
ausuka and enchant i could have gone either way, but enchant's iso was devoid of content so i would be happy with a shot going there
ausuka is at least posting thoughts

meowth do you have scumreads outside unowen?

actiondan - town read from our limited interaction

i liked 695 from actiondan

I'd question only that Ausuka null-town read again, and ask for an expansion on it.

i felt some of the pushes on ausuka were weird and I felt that there was some jumping on in a way that didn't feel genuine
but like i said, it wasn't super strong, i would need to go back and really reread all of it. that was just my gut feeling when ausuka was getting pushed

That's all interactions/mentions of Dan, the most egregious post being the one mentioning "limited interactions". From my experience mafia are really concerned with how often they've interacted with their buddies and keep an inner check of how much they've interacted

All of this with how quickly it was being posted felt like they wanted to at least look like they were solving, I felt like it was okay enough in the moment to like sheep and see where it went.

[Alisae]

From reading the past five pages, I think Alisae is scum based on how aggressively Pooky was reading em before his death.

lol

[Alisae]

Ali's entrance push on me into back off looked kind of weird but I know how Ali works as scum and I sort of thing she wouldn't have backed off as scum.

What does my wolf game look like to you?

[Alisae]

Bingle what is your read on me? I'm curious because I know you're pretty good at reading me.

[Alisae]

Dan's copped
I still am a fan on SK's D1 and I don't feel like their play has been agenday at all. They feel super villagery. If ANYTHING one could probably argue that Dan is probably not the greatest cop shot, they seemed like they cared about things as well and I think they ended up being a bit townier than Lorne towards the end of the day. But I don't really care too much to nitpick the cop shot and I think they're likely just a townie?

GL seems like they are actively approaching the game from a town mindset and really thinking about things. I get the feeling they care

LLD I don't feel like has been super manipulative?
I also feel like if she was a wolf she would probably be more of a major player in this game?
Like it seems like she has no influence over who gets eliminated, she townread xof and everyone was like "lol no sorry" and then xof died and flipped town.
I could buy she's town with her wim in the toilet.

I really feel like you're taking into consideration everything and I also feel like the way you talked about the treasurer seemed good

So like that just leaves (in order from most townie to least townie)
Save the Dragons
sheepsaysmeep
Unowen
Furtiveglance
Ircher

Ya those are the leftovers.

[Alisae]

I mean if she is a wolf that can be arranged

[Alisae]

Furtive+Unowen+1 more

[Alisae]

sorry not Furtive Ircher

[Alisae]

The reason why I think Ircher and Unowen could be aligned is mostly because I'm not sure if Unowen actually engaged on anything relating to Lorne.

Obviously I have the posts I put out on why I thought Gimli was a wolf with Meowth.

Like they said they could see it but aside from that I don't feel like they actually cared about the read during that day phase? they seemed really pre-occupied with Xofelf

[Alisae]

Ya ok I just checked Unowen's ISO
seemed like Unowen didn't say much about Lorne yesterday at all
maybe I'm missing something cuz I just did a ctrl + f search for lorne and I don't think I found much

[Alisae]

If you could build a scum team out of the living players who would it be?

I do actually want you to answer this, Ali.

Furtive+Unowen+1 more

Interesting, but not what I meant. If you could pick any scumbuddies, who would they be?

ircher not furtive
sorry I have dysgraphia

Wait if you're not asking me for what I think the team is in the game are you asking me if I could draft a woflteam in this playerlist who would it be?
I'm like
confused

[Alisae]

GL seems like they are actively approaching the game from a town mindset and really thinking about things. I get the feeling they care

Affirmative, Alibot.

I mean I think them wanting to get into the council PT and like how they exactly wanted to get into the PT with like "I want to take a look at what's happening in council" was really good and they're definitely giving the game thought so ya I think they're pretty townie

[Alisae]

I think I might declare for board today

I want on the PT

this post
this seemed pretty townie to me if we think about GL's play throughout the entire game

[Alisae]

I mean I think them wanting to get into the council PT and like how they exactly wanted to get into the PT with like "I want to take a look at what's happening in council" was really good and they're definitely giving the game thought so ya I think they're pretty townie

:/ you don't think scum wants to see what's happening in the council?

It's not just that.
Gotta look at what the guy is doing, his whole body of work.
Sure, a wolf could want to see what's going on in the council and would likely want access to those ongoings, but I don't get those vibes with GL.
The way I see it with GL it feels like the guy is puzzle solving and wants access to see if it helps him continue to solve
Guy just seems like he's actively thinking and wants in on the PT to see if it helps him any.

[Alisae]

Wait if you're not asking me for what I think the team is in the game are you asking me if I could draft a woflteam in this playerlist who would it be?
I'm like
confused

Yeah. Looking at who is alive, who do you think would be a fun scum team?

You, GL, and LLD snow this game easily.
No competition.

[Alisae]

If the wolf team was you GL LLD you could run circles around the village.
It would be so powerful that ya'll would probably end up murdering the dinosaurs

[Alisae]

and that's not me calling the pl dinosaurs but rather just hyperbole.

[Alisae]

You could find of them.
Maybe you could find a 2nd one.
But the third?
no shot

[Alisae]

find one of them*

[Alisae]

im worried about lld tbh

i wanna hear what posts you were going to make first

Gotta go to bed soon I'll read through some stuff now and post more in the mornign

no you said you were going to post more

so what is it

so post them

I can get being worried about LLD but if so why are we expressing that and then being like “I want posts”
Can’t you just hold the read to your chest and then once you got posts then express it?

[Alisae]

I mean if u wanted the post that’s what I would have done
Generally speaking when I’ve played with LLD and outed a fos on her she has jumped on me for it so like that’s a player I try to keep my read on close to my chest and try not to poke until I’m ready

[Alisae]

SleepyKrew will not ALLOW shading his cop target w/o discourse

[Alisae]

Ah shit I forgot the emoji

[Alisae]

He REFUSES

[Alisae]

Declare: Mayor

[Alisae]

Gl declaring board is townie

[Alisae]

It’s not that important of a position but in this gamestate it’s easier as a wolf to not declare it.

[Alisae]

The only reason I can think of for a wolf to declare board would be for towncred and that’s not that good of a reason, they would rather just not and hope no one declares it

[Alisae]

I just don’t see the wolf motivation behind that play, gl doesn’t need towncred

[Alisae]

Also if memory serves me right, GL said that board is a mostly useless role?
Super easy for him as a wolf to justify not declaring it
Heck he probably doesn’t even have to post

[Alisae]

Ok ya gl said it was the least useful

[Alisae]

No

[Alisae]

Furtiveglance your reads are looking wack this game what happened

[Alisae]

That’s crazy
It’s like we’re reading different games

[Alisae]

He’s seeing right through your fraudulence fen

[Alisae]

F r a u d u l e n c e

[Alisae]

Sorry my bad

OH SORRY YA MY BAD
THAT MISTAKE WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN OFFICER

[Alisae]

Lady Lambdadelta - Moneybags
ActionDan - Cop
Alisae - Mayor
Unowen - Clowncillor
Save the Dragons - Pretty much a raccoon.
GuiltyLion - A piece of wood.

Furtiveglance
sheepsaysmeep
SleepyKrew
Ircher

VOTE: Ircher

Looking at the viable suspects for today, they all seem like potential low fun ali partners, which makes me a little more wary of Ali overall. I’m not a huge fan of GL just petering out in the middle of his solving and then not really coming back to it either, particularly when he had a clear trajectory of what to examine next.

I am a villager in this mafia game

[Alisae]

VOTE: Ircher

[Alisae]

I just checked
there are 19 hours left

[Alisae]

That's quite libellous

I'm voting for no one instead of you

And that’s a libellous accusation of libel, I will be reporting you to the council.

you're funny

[Alisae]

VOTE: Ircher

[Alisae]

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to be executed.

11 alive

[Alisae]

SleepyKrew will not tolerate these Moderator Mistakes

[Alisae]

Lol

[Alisae]

At the end of the campaign phase any role without a candidate is removed from the game permanently

[Alisae]

We scrambled at deadline to declare roles

[Alisae]

Do you just not care?
Like I imagine if ur a wolf, u don’t declare and you force villagers to declare

[Alisae]

I’m not a wolf lol

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

Actual question
How good do you think your reads are?

[Alisae]

Do you think your play/reads here deserves a clown nose?

[Alisae]

ya I agree with sheep it seems agendaless

[Alisae]

What wincon is he playing to by voting SK and doing nothing again?

[Alisae]

How am I doing nothing

What are other ppl doing that I'm not

for all I’m concerned you are vanity voting skrew and doing ur own thing

[Alisae]

my vote is probably going to ircher once funding is finalized

Are you aware of our funding situation at all?
Ur trash right so u should have the pt

[Alisae]

Ur trash collector*

[Alisae]

/shrug

[Alisae]

circumstantial

[Alisae]

VOTE: furtiveglance

but...
why?

[Alisae]

VOTE: furtiveglance

but...
why?

[Alisae]

Am I missing something?
I can’t believe I just got donowalled

[Alisae]

-furtive's reads seem so backwards/undeveloped to me that they feel more likely to be faked (see: defense of xofelf against slip turning into a vote on xofelf, calling bl00dbot "obvious town" based on one prior game together)

I really want to kill Furtive today and I don't understand why epople view that player as so town lol

idk it just feels overall like he's the one guy who most genuinely has a worldview he thought about / genuinely believes lol

something there separates it strongly from like, just spamming reads and appearing confident, makes me believe it's totally real solving in a way no one else has the same effect

very abstractly

not a quality of reasoning thing, like nearly purely tone/language

his quality of reasoning has sometimes been fairly subpar

ya I agree with sheep it seems agendaless

What wincon is he playing to by voting SK and doing nothing again?

[Alisae]

-if furtive is town and LLD is town (which seems to be universally accepted?) then it means literally no scum were pushing him yesterday or today, I find that unlikely

Seems completely possible to me
I imagine Furtive's behavior is something town can pretty easily get fixated on

[Alisae]

Who are furtive's teammates?
It's not me.

Guy just seems like he's playing without teammates and just doing his own thing

[Alisae]

I think Ircher is a wolf that's just trying to do the bare minimum.
That just what has to make sense here I feel like.

I think my posts on D2 about Gimli still hold up, I think Lorne pushing Dan and not doing much holds up as wolf motivation if Lorne knew xof was town and wanted to try to get some towncred, and Ircher isn't doing much of anything right now

so like
I think it just kind of has to be Ircher

[Alisae]

I remember in Pooky v FL Ircher was coming up with takes that weren't really all that logically sound?

I wonder if wolf!Ircher makes takes pushes teams that sound realistic?

Cuz like with the former, they might not be logically sound at a first glance, but they ARE logically sound to him.
Where as the ladder is something that I feel like could be easier to get behind?

And I also imagine any wolf wants to push furtive is gonna be like "This Ali person isn't doing much of anything and they're defending Furtive! I could push that as their partner!" so that's why I think Ircher pushing me and Furtive as teamed is maybe aimed @ presenting something that looks realistic.

Does that make sense?

[Alisae]

alisae just curious what u think if one were to suggest this is DADV

I mean the game at all points, even when meowth was just kind of decided as the elimination was slow and like this.
It's not like we want day to end right now, we're still figuring out how to proceed with funding.

Also it's not like Ircher is posting, I feel like they're kind of trying to do the bare minimum.
I would say its very different from when I said that in the other game with Furtive (my first game with Furtive) and Furtive was posting things that I could see being posted from a villager, as well as enchant and titus (both villagers) being skeptical about the situation.

[Alisae]

I also think Ircher is like the only real scumread I had in this game where as Furtive I kind of switched from townreading them at start of game to fos' them for posting weird stuff mid day 1 when I was having trouble finding scumreads so like

I would like to hope to be right on my only like, real scumread in this game?

[Alisae]

I think the contexts between Firebringer game where I said Dead Air Dead Villager and here are just different?

[Alisae]

Oh also the games are just built differently
here its like "WE GOT 48 HOURS OF DOING NOTHING, ANOTHER 48 HOURS BEFORE WE CAN KILL SOMEONE"
and then it's like finally we get to the part where we can kill the other players but by that point it becomes "WE HAVE TO WAIT AN UNDISCLOSED AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE WE KILL SOMEONE BECAUSE TREASURER HAS TO DECIDE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO FUND" and its like
man
this game is so residentsleeper

like it goes on and on and on with not much happening because it's mostly waiting, not to mention people are put in situations where they don't really have agency to actually play too hard (this is how I feel like atm cuz like even if I did try to massively steer the course of the who the fuck cares, I'm basically screaming into a void for no reason that takes up a lot of energy for not a lot of reward)

so we're just put in these situations where it's like
>we identify person who we want to kill
>person we want to kill doesn't do much of anything
>no one changes their mind
>we're waiting till we can finally press the kill button
>then we're finally ready to press kill button.

[Alisae]

idk when I skimmed through the thread SK's vibes were nice but I somehow missed this philosophy of like "I have no intention to really have many reads right now" that I think is mildly wolfy

This is literally me D2 and I still stand by me liking their approach to Cakez on D1.

[Alisae]

Like ig Skrew isn't projecting super dominant townie energy sure I'll give you that but like
idunno I don't think they have that much agency to even do much right now.
If anything they have a lot more agency tomorrow regardless of the result, I think tomorrow will be a more interesting day to try to get a read on Skrew than today

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

Furtive ask me about Skrew when Skrew is actually a realistic option in this day phase

[Alisae]

A lot of why what I think you're just not doing anything is even if you think it may be optimal to kill Skrew (I think it's not about if it's optimal or not to you, you just want to hang on this 1 fos and you're saying it's optimal to try to sound more convincing when in reality you just really want the player dead) is because Skrew is just not a realistic option this day phase.

You're basically vanity voting and I would rather go after my own scumread which can realistically happen during this day phase over vanity voting with you.

[Alisae]

But why is he not realistic

Who votes Skrew

[Alisae]

Gimmie names build teh wagon composition for me

[Alisae]

Maybe because you're less experience or skilled than me, you would want to flip the person who copped someone just so you can trust that they copped them, cause after all, it is both easier and lazier to just use your vote to solve someone's alignment than to actually form a read.

[Alisae]

But I mean in this case you do have a read, you just think he's a wolf.
Me? I think the guy is just likely to be villager.

I don't think wolves interact with town by pretending to have them as town just to see how they react. I've literally never seen it before and I felt like that didn't feel fake to me

[Alisae]

How about providing some original thoughts?

What are you going on about?
HE POSTED A GOOD REASON ADVOCATE FOR FURTIVES INNOCENCE
I AGREE

I think sheep identified how Furtive formed his worldview and I just don't see Furtive as playing to a wolf gameplan here.

[Alisae]

I really want to kill Furtive today and I don't understand why epople view that player as so town lol

idk it just feels overall like he's the one guy who most genuinely has a worldview he thought about / genuinely believes lol

something there separates it strongly from like, just spamming reads and appearing confident, makes me believe it's totally real solving in a way no one else has the same effect

very abstractly

not a quality of reasoning thing, like nearly purely tone/language

his quality of reasoning has sometimes been fairly subpar

This is a good post

[Alisae]

honestly I think Ircher's play and his actions speak for himself

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

Can we not let Ircher who is in anti-spew mode get away please?

[Alisae]

Wow it’s almost like Ircher is a really good flip and we should flip it to see what happens!

[Alisae]

So you're voting Ircher solely for a bad entrance post?

Pretty much
Though I guess I didn't like Gimli's defense of meowth much either

but would scum obviously defend their partner on day 1 when there's 4 scum?

Here

I have nothing more to say about the slip, but I can see how xoxelf's posts this gameday can be construed as scum.

I think alisae is having difficulty getting into this game because replacing into this as scum is a bit harder than replacing in as a townie, I think, and I take that difficulty as >rand scum instead of NAI. I think it's interesting how e tried to take me on my campaign for mayor, I think that's what e is going to do as scum cause my position itg wasn't very good and e could antagonize with me and get scum in the council. I don't have much to say about ausuka and don't think I can read ausuka well.

This is a shitpush

I think Gimli is just putting me in his PoE along with xof because it’s the thing to do.
I think SK is likely a villager. I don’t buy the xof thing being a slip like I get the argument but I don’t agree.
Their suspects just feel easy to me

dats feels like an obvious townie up to that point but no other real leans then. I'm enjoying alisae's catch up and I like that e is townreading meowth, even if it's just for the associative with er LLD scumread. so I'm almost too sure alisae's slot is a townie, that's a very strong read I'm making now.

This feels pocketty

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VOTE: unowen

actual trash ISO, just like meowth said. not attempting to do anything, just brief commentary on conversations and tagging along for the sake of it. unowen asked me something about meowth now that's quite ridiculous, like calling out meowth for being a hypocrite. as if being a hypocrite is scummy, as if town isn't like that all the time. I remember unowen from pairs mafia and it felt like a lurker towny. this feels like lurker scum, IMO.

This feels like a wolf trying to derail meowth and find alternatives.

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why are you so sure meowth is mafia? sell me on it cause I don't see it

TGP's d2 was insanely scummy

IDK. I don't see it. but I just replaced in, so let's see what happens tomorrow when I'm here again I guess.

I changed my mind and can flip meowth, I think

sleepykrew is still a good flip

let's just get on with it? what are we waiting?

The first 2 happen within minutes of each hour
then nothing happens and an hour later you want to kill meowth
also mention you're willing to go onto SK for anyone who wants to bite

I'm sure if you're town I'll see it but these things leave me skeptical atm

I think alisae is having difficulty getting into this game because replacing into this as scum is a bit harder than replacing in as a townie,

it is now coming to my mind that you tried to pocket me and now when I'm not doing much you're trying to kill me which is like, interesting ig?

Spoiler:

I don't like the slip argument at all and I think furtive is already out of his scum range by coming to this thread pissed off and then having misinterpreted a few things in the hood etc. it's all furtive things and not scummy furtive things. his scum game is more tied together and less tripping over himself, and he does have an extremely good point that not doccing enchant was bad.

1) can you explain why you don't think it's a slip? Why would xofelf be "expecting" to get shot if they're town and don't know the JOAT abilities?

2) you realize the slip argument isn't contingent on furtive being scum, right? Like yah I personally think his quick defensiveness around it is scummy but there can be worlds where xof is scum and furtive is town. This post reads to me like you think furtive being town makes the slip argument less likely and I don't think that's true at all. I am honestly thinking we should deathtunnel xof over this and I'd like you on board with that, even if we disagree on furtive. What's your read on Ausuka/xof otherwise?

3) why is making the "extremely good point" that Enchant should have been docced something that is less likely to come from scum furtive? I don't see how that's alignment indicative

1) how would it be a slip if everyone is talking about a vig in the thread? it makes no sense idk why you're pushing people with that line of reasoning
2) you're the one who wants to flip furtive on a xof scum flip. I'm saying furtive is playing his town meta in this game and I know furtive and I can look inside his soul from his innocent blue eyes and tell he is town in this game. this is the same thing that happened to him in pairs mafia, tripping over himself over PT things and confusing emotions and thoughts with posts. I have no read on ausuka/xof
3) that's alignment indicative for furtive, I don't think he fakes being mad at things the town agreed on as mafia even if they're bad. I don't think furtive is a LAMIST wolf.

1) how would it be a slip if everyone is talking about a vig in the thread? it makes no sense idk why you're pushing people with that line of reasoning

see, this tells me you're not understanding it

xofelf said they "FULLY EXPECTED" to be "THE" vig shot. The use past tense of "expected" combined with confident assertion that a vig shot exists is the slip. It says that xofelf was thinking they were going to be shot last night. A townie would not be thinking with certainty that a vig shot exists last night, and if they were

speculating

about that they would use a past hypothetical tense, like "I

WOULD HAVE

expected" to be shot. Not "

fully expecting

".

Read xofelf's original post again and think about the fact that nobody who wasn't in the council PT should have been aware that there was a plan to use the vig. That's the slip. It's not just "talking about a vig lel" like you've phrased it here.

I will consider your other two answers to my questions.

you might end up in a spot here, I think, where you could be right that xofelf is scum, but because the slip doesn't really work people will not wanna go there if this is the reason. I can see maybe some suspicious perspective, but when xofelf wrote that, everybody knew about the vig shot and who was shot. it was the thread's main point as you can see if you read the posts in sequence.

I think you're a townie

either way I think the scum team is exactly alisae, sleepykrew and xofelf and the game is over

that would mean no scum on n1 council

I have nothing more to say about the slip, but I can see how xoxelf's posts this gameday can be construed as scum.

I think alisae is having difficulty getting into this game because replacing into this as scum is a bit harder than replacing in as a townie, I think, and I take that difficulty as >rand scum instead of NAI. I think it's interesting how e tried to take me on my campaign for mayor, I think that's what e is going to do as scum cause my position itg wasn't very good and e could antagonize with me and get scum in the council. I don't have much to say about ausuka and don't think I can read ausuka well.

So like I feel like the above posts are likely coming from a wolf whom doesn't necessarily think that slip leads to anything productive but it's working towards their favor?
Like Xof makes this post afterwards

xofelf wrote that, everybody knew about the vig shot and who was shot

but why would xofelf have "FULLY EXPECTED" to be shot??

they weren't talking about how they were feeling on D2.

they were talking about how they were feeling on N1.

am I not making this clear or something? I don't understand what you're missing or what I'm not communicating effectively

God, those were the words I used because it's the way I speak. It's not some 5d chess mistake. Look man, I'm happy for you that you think you've got this undeniable moment where you've solved this game, but you're reading way too much into a very half-asleep post.

Like.. you're all just convinced this slot is scum, but I'm not. So, since nobody really wants me to even bother declaring for one of the jobs here, I'm not going to, and I will vote for the jobs however I'm told to(specifically told by LLD). But once it's Day again? I'm gonna finish my isodives so that at the very least, once I'm voted out and you all see I've been telling the truth, well maybe what I've left behind will actually help somehow. But man, this uphill battle I replaced into sucks. I was looking forward to actively trying to play this game in a smart way with effort, and it doesn't seem like I'm gonna get that.

Also, Fen, it's fine about the mess up, I know it was an accident, but thanks for fixing it.

I feel like this is like a decently townie post? I think this is how town plays it in this situation.
But this gets posted afterwards

yeah xof is scummy af

and I don't get the feeling that like this is a player who wants to be right on xofelf

I can't tell if Lorne not trying to have any agency in the game is townie or wolfy tbh.

gun to head lorne played the past day phase like a wolf who knew xof flipped town and planned to use that cred to push another miselim coming into today

[Alisae]

i don't know why I wrote of each hour I think I mean to wrote other I am stoned right now

oh this might help for reading the post that's above it I forgot to quote it mybad

[Alisae]

Sheep did you read my iso

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

Looks like a gold chain to me

[Alisae]

Andante am I chopped liver to you?

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

sheep iso me next!

[Alisae]

SadSheepBears

[Alisae]

what if ur just town

[Alisae]

I am going to pretend I unread 3843

[Alisae]

I fos sleepykrew!

[Alisae]

yknow what I'm gonna say it
this is @ the people that sus me
if I know there's a decent chance I get voted out today or tomorrow, and I am clearly not fighting my own elimination (until this post I guess. even though I don't feel like I'm in danger rn). why would I not fake a guilty and try to get a miselim before my own elimination?
is your argument that I'm so smart and sexy I'd go for the wifom of an inno instead of faking a guilty? I agree I'm very smart and sexy

wait waht a minute
wouldn't it make more sense for you to just be town?
wow, you must be town now!

[Alisae]

3843 changes everything
clearly

[Alisae]

I mean I think you're pretty funny does that count?

[Alisae]

WHAT THE FUCK

[Alisae]

I was fully funded
I targeted Andante
what the FUCK

[Alisae]

I was fully funded
I targeted Andante
what the FUCK

confirm you were funded 100 dollars, a full funding.

Yes I recieved 100$

[Alisae]

so ig this was the bullshit you were referring to LLD?

[Alisae]

I mean simplest explination is you chose to do nothing with the 100 dollars I gave you, but that would be LITERAL scumclaiming.

sigh.

Doccing a random player that I know isn't dying at night is always the better play and is effectively the same thing???
Why are you implying I would literally NOT choose to use it? That makes no sense.
If I didn't use it and someone was like "WOW THIS ROLE STILL HAS A DOCTOR SHOT" then I just die?
Immediately???

[Alisae]

alright so Alisae maf then

?????????????

[Alisae]

I'm telling the truth
I targetted Andante.

You either think I am lying or I was the recipient of bullshit

[Alisae]

What kind of fucking brain off take is that?

[Alisae]

you didn't doc the cop and this reaction feels performative and over the top

sorry if this is like the 5% universe where scum had a RB or strongman or something but objectively the most likely explanation is you are mafia

DUDE
I'M ONE OF THE BEST PROTECTIVE USERS ON THE WEBSITE
I KNOW THAT ANDANTE IS A THREAT TO WOLVES AND SHE NEEDS TO BE KEPT ALIVE

THE PERSON WHO I PROTECTED DIED
I'M ANGRY

[Alisae]

GL WOLF

Performative fucking LOL

"HEY LETS JUST SAY THAT ALI BEING ANGRY IS PERFORMATIVE"

"YEP LETS KILL ALI NOW YEP YEP"

[Alisae]

Declare: Sheriff

[Alisae]

Ya GuiltyLion saying that I am performative is just a take that tries to make me look worse and adds fuel to the fire.
No good comes from it if he's a villager.

I just think it's a wolf tactic.

[Alisae]

do you genuinely think it's a "brain off" take to believe that someone who claims they will doc the cop and then fails to do so probably lied? like that's the occams razor explanation, any other explanation requires to assume that you are town AND that scum had knowledge of the plan last night AND roles/ability to interfere with it.

Yes.
There is probable cause for there to be bullshit in this game. It is in the opening post, and LLD was the only player to bring it up.

Like you are telling me that town has access to FTC (Follow The Cop) for a night phase and wolves don't get to have ANY counterplay to it?
No Counterplay?

I am town
I do not think wolves have to have knowledge of the plan. Furtive outed that there was a doctor in play. I think LLD mentioned some of the abilities of her JOAT in thread? I think one can make a reasonable hunch that my slot is the one that has the doctor. Heck, they don't even need to have the read, if they know for some other reason then they know which player to target. I think one would want to use a much simpler ability like a doctor to protect a conftown cop if one has the choice to.

[Alisae]

And yes GL, they clearly have abilities to interfere with my plan. It says so in the opening post unless you want to argue that wolves don't have tools do disrupt FTC which is LOL
It doesn't take anyone knowing the plan to make the read.

[Alisae]

And yes GL, they clearly have abilities to interfere with my plan. It says so in the opening post

It actually doesn't say this!

The scum team has additional abilities that they can use to effect the game

The scum team has additional abilities that they can use to effect the game

The scum team has additional abilities that they can use to effect the game

The scum team has additional abilities that they can use to effect the game

The scum team has additional abilities that they can use to effect the game

The scum team has additional abilities that they can use to effect the game

The scum team has additional abilities that they can use to effect the game

The scum team has additional abilities that they can use to effect the game

The scum team has additional abilities that they can use to effect the game

The scum team has additional abilities that they can use to effect the game

The scum team has additional abilities that they can use to effect the game

The scum team has additional abilities that they can use to effect the game

The scum team has additional abilities that they can use to effect the game

The scum team has additional abilities that they can use to effect the game

The scum team has additional abilities that they can use to effect the game

[Alisae]

it doesn't say this KEKW

[Alisae]

"Effect the game" does not mean "stop a funded doctor from using their protect", unless the English language has changed dramatically from my understanding of it

How would "stop a funded doctor from using their protect" not "Effect the game"
I think that would have a pretty big effect on the game!

[Alisae]

VOTE: GL

[Alisae]

VOTE: GL

We can't vote right now.

No shit sherlock

[Alisae]

Tomorrow is F7
I think it is very clear what GL's motivations are

[Alisae]

Andante's death speaks for itself.

What do you mean it speaks for itself????

[Alisae]

"GL so scummy!" hot takes

I don't think it would be a hot take to say that you are shitpushing me!
Because that is what is happening

[Alisae]

UNOwen can confirm this when he shows up. He'll have seen a list of abilities he could use and there won't have been a doctor on that list.

Yes this is true.

RIP Andante, I hoped you would save this town but instead the chronically poor health service failed us yet again.

The mafia are to blame! They don't pay taxes!

[Alisae]

Alisae logically scum shouldn't have known that you had the protective since I didn't give away that LLD had used the ability.

Disagree!

What ability would you want to use on a conftown cop?
A simpler ability or a more complex ability?
Furtive gave away the existence of a doc.
LLD mentioned that her powerful ability was a doc that did a bit more.

I would say one would want to use the simpler ability over an ability that's more complex and does a bit more, mostly because Opportunity Cost.

[Alisae]

Like, why would ya use more powerful abilities on a conftown?
Something simple like a doc which just only protects is what I imagine is best in the situation, no?

[Alisae]

I think a player of Alisae's caliber should understand that most town people are going to think e is scum here, especially if e is town. Like if I were town in that situation, I'd actually be more skeptical of anyone giving me too much benefit of the doubt

??????????????????????
no??????

It's either
- You think I lied
- You think I'm telling the truth

If you think I'm town, I'm telling the truth.
If you think I'm mafia, I'm lying.

It's pretty simple and I'm keeping track of what everyone does and determining if it makes sense or not.

It makes sense here for you as a wolf to go hard on me here. It makes sense here to try to discredit me by saying that I'm performative.
It's what a wolf would actively do here because a wolf does not want to give me room to breathe, they do not want me to fight back.
It wears me down and tries to sell the picture that I'm just some crazy maniac screaming their heads off to other players.

[Alisae]

Alisae logically scum shouldn't have known that you had the protective since I didn't give away that LLD had used the ability.

Disagree!

What ability would you want to use on a conftown cop?
A simpler ability or a more complex ability?
Furtive gave away the existence of a doc.
LLD mentioned that her powerful ability was a doc that did a bit more.

I would say one would want to use the simpler ability over an ability that's more complex and does a bit more, mostly because Opportunity Cost.

my previous post was @ this one

One of the abilities in the list is a Doctor, it's a powerful doctor too. Scum have to play around it. Whether I used that doctor or not is something I do not want to share because once it's used it's gone.

[Alisae]

Xofelf

[ 7 ] STD, furtiveglance, unowen, Pooky,

Alisae

, Guiltylion, Bingle

Ircher

[ 4 ]

Alisae

, Guiltylion, Furtiveglance, Sleepykrew, UNOwen, Bingle

@UNowen, this alone is a pretty compelling reason to prefer scum!Alisae explanation over scum!LLD explanation as well IMO

lol

[Alisae]

I had no reason to move my vote but ok GL you're a wolf so...

[Alisae]

A doc who's protection failed should be like... accepting that they're obviously going to be scumread and likely going to die

Bro are you telling me that even in this situation I shouldn't be fighting until the very last minute?
Are you telling me that I should just "accept" that you're going to fos me?
no lmfao I'm going to call it out.
If I'm being shitpushed I'm going to call it out

[Alisae]

Just be demoralized
be an ircher

[Alisae]

I'm not someone you can just put down I am a fighter I will fight until the very fucking end

[Alisae]

Guilty and Lyin'

HOLY SHIT

[Alisae]

We should declare roles
I think if we all declare roles we can move past this stage of the game

[Alisae]

HELP THE PERSON I'M TRYING TO BEAT INTO SUBMISSION IS TRYING TO BEAT ME INTO SUBMISSION

[Alisae]

I'm just letting your posts speak for yourself tbh

[Alisae]

I think your scumhunting really speaks for itself too.

Come out with an idea with how Ircher could be town to look like you stand out, let yourself be talked into an ircher read.

Look at yourself in a mirror and tell me what "performative" looks like because that's what your play looks like yesterday

[Alisae]

Do you actually want me to explain to you why I played yesterday the way I did? Is there a question in your post?

Because you need to keep up appearances about how you're always looking for the truth in the situation because that's what you associate with your village play so it's what you would fake.

[Alisae]

so ig this was the bullshit you were referring to LLD?

This is a pretty sketchy post.

how?
we talked about this in the council pt

[Alisae]

Grr

What do I declare for

I'd love to get a cop check

I think I'm the perfect scummy cop in the game but if you wanna go for it I won't stop you.
I think we definitely want to make use out of our tracker tonight.

[Alisae]

how?
we talked about this in the council pt

You don't seem to be questioning how scum managed to screw up the plan.

I don't understand?

[Alisae]

I don't understand?

That post reads as though you're taking for granted that LLD is town, when from your perspective the most obvious way that scum could have interfered with your doc protect was if they knew you were the doc i.e LLD is scum (or I suppose me too).

I think she's a villager.

[Alisae]

Grr

What do I declare for

I'd love to get a cop check

I think I'm the perfect scummy cop in the game but if you wanna go for it I won't stop you.
I think we definitely want to make use out of our tracker tonight.

I don't think we can safely do scummy cop anymore? Assuming a miselim today (prepping for worst case)

well I already declared and I think this is probs the best thing for me to declare anyways

[Alisae]

I'm the slot you want mafia to shoot the most

[Alisae]

If you're voting me out, you want another cop
if you are not voting me out, you want me as your cop

[Alisae]

Best way to settle this is to decide if we are killing me or if we're not killing me.

[Alisae]

in fact lets do this

If you want me dead, vote me.
The votes don't count, but if it reaches elimination threshold then you know what you want to do next

[Alisae]

I think that's a fair way of going about this

[Alisae]

Shea?
Nah he don't care about them pagetops
he want them page bottoms

[Alisae]

I'm in the "Wait to see if there's a doc shot left on the JOAT" camp myself. If there is I don't really have to figure out if this setup would have a scum rb or something similar from Shea.

As far as cop goes, I think my preference would be sheep or SKrew.

I have thoughts about the treasurer position that might make it less important to have it be town controlled, actually, so I'm probably going to run for Mayor or Trash.

I think you absolutely have to decide right now if you want to kill me or not.
Not like, right this minute, but during the campaigning phase.
If the village is deciding on killing me, then you need to figure out who the cop should be.
If the village is not killing me, I am your best cop. You even said so yourself that you would want a scummy cop, you know I'm the best person for the job and you know that I don't have wolf partners.

Think about it.

[Alisae]

Regardless of what my alignment is there will not be a doc shot left on the Mayor.
If I'm town, I used it because I'm telling the truth.
If I'm mafia, I used it to keep my story consistent.

[Alisae]

Also as the once and future council rep, I will advise all in this town that I don't think we should be employing a Board of Election anymore. Since we've done such a great job of destroying our tax base we need to make budget cuts and everyone knows that electoral oversight is pointless bureaucracy anyway.

oh ok lets allow wolves to lie about who they voted

[Alisae]

the threat of it existing is more than enough.
It doesn't have to do anything.

I imagine in F5 it is the only role that doesn't get declared because at that point it doesn't matter, but to say not to run for it entirely is ???

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

Sleepy do you want to vote me out or no?

[Alisae]

I’m in no rush to do that case because we’ve still got to finish this phase, then do another phase, before we’re in the voting for scum phase.

I think the only thing we are in a rush for is to decide if village wants to kill me or not because if not you want me as a cop and if you want to kill me you want a new cop

[Alisae]

oh wow posts

hi you need to form a read on me.
The person who I protected died.
We're deciding on if we're killing me or making me cop.

[Alisae]

we have to decide now because if you want me dead you need a new cop but if you want to keep me alive I'm the best person to be cop considering the circumstances.
Village wants wolves to shoot me

[Alisae]

we need to get this done as soon as we can because we need to discuss how we want the rest of campaign phase to play out and we don't want to be scrambling at the last minute to declare roles

[Alisae]

Current Candidates

Treasurer[0]

Sherriff[1]

Alisae

Mayor[0]

Council Member[0]

Unowen

Trash Collector[0]

Board of Election[0]

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2023-03-25 15:35:00)

We only have 22 hours left

[Alisae]

I'll do treasurer I guess? I'll just pay back our funds, unless people want me to go all in or something

I think the best play tonight is to fund both cop and trash. Take out a full loan and fund as much as you can with it.
I don't really care who does it but someone has to do it?

[Alisae]

ig furtive could also be it

[Alisae]

my understanding of d1 based off of Pooky telling me I was a moroon was that by the time I came in, everyone was just waiting for LLD to finish funding so that they could kill meowth

[Alisae]

DECLARE: SHERIFF

meh wheee

but why

[Alisae]

like ig you're a fine choice for the people who think I'm a wolf

[Alisae]

Bingle do you believe that I have a greater than random chance to be town because I didn’t perform the N2 kill? If so, can you convince other people?

I’m deciding between running for sheriff or cm

declare cm
I will vote for you

[Alisae]

Can we all vote for a swift election phase?

[Alisae]

just get votes in and say fast election

[Alisae]

Bingle got it twisted

[Alisae]

Guy likes to bet the house on crabs

[Alisae]

we lost it all!!!

[Alisae]

House is over
Homelessness new meta

[Alisae]

I think he started playing again around the time I requested self ban

[Alisae]

He really liked me

[Alisae]

Furtive - Killing GL today would be poggers.
Bingle
Sleepy
LLD
STD

You should vote for me for cop if you don't want to kill me today but you want to see me get shot
you should vote for sheep if you want to kill me today

[Alisae]

also remember to vote for a fast election phase please!

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

Alicop Alicop Alicop

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

i want a fast election but we're not gonna get it

[Alisae]

alisae "kill me today or make me sheriff" just doesnt make much sense to me and seems fake I guess

dont see a reason from any pov why we wouldnt be able to just like.. treat it like all the other slots and sort it normaly that way

It is the optimal way to go about things

[Alisae]

Village wants the mafia to confirm me as town
Hence why village should want a target on my back

[Alisae]

Like yes I should be treated like a normal slot

[Alisae]

STD Villagery

[Alisae]

I think trying to get the mafia to shoot me is +town

[Alisae]

Like how pooky wanted enchant shot n1 and he was shot n1

[Alisae]

I think trying to get the mafia to shoot me is +town

no one has engaged me on this btw
i got crickets

[Alisae]

Skrew

[Alisae]

If Skrew wants to vote GL I'm not sure why he would want sheep as cop

[Alisae]

If Skrew wants to vote GL I'm not sure why he would want sheep as cop

I’ve made it abundantly clear that I don’t know if I’m going to vote to lim you or GL. Making sheep the sheriff means you’re still an option.

ok that's fair ig

[Alisae]

I think trying to get the mafia to shoot me is +town

no one has engaged me on this btw
i got crickets

I think trying to get the mafia to shoot me is +town

no one has engaged me on this btw
i got crickets

It's a common idea, who are you on about specifically?

Skrew

lol what. no one has engaged me on this. oh actually people have I just meant skrew hasn’t
?????

in hindsight
it was a stupid statement

[Alisae]

Sorry Skrew
it is understandable that you would not TOLERATE such defamatory statements