Open 875 - The Kindgom of Zeal: The Queens Chosen - GAME OVER

[Cephrir]

no thanks, i'd rather play candy land

[Cephrir]

ur right

no thanks, i'd rather play candy land

outed, malding

[Cephrir]

Me in top tier on page 1? Now I really am malding

[Cephrir]

i can't say no to good business

VOTE: ranger

[Cephrir]

i have decided to underreact indefinitely so that voting for me ceases to be entertaining

[Cephrir]

im only a counterwagon because you're making me a counterwagon

[Cephrir]

sory redFF i guess you don't exist

[Cephrir]

{Lady Lambdadelta}
{Save The Dragons, Gimli}
{Sail, Detective Penguin, Ethel}
{Korina, (Radical Rat, Umlaut), Cephrir}
{furtiveglance}
{redFF}

you can't get me to townread you by restoring things to their rightful order

[Cephrir]

I am both confused and amazed at what you all are able to read, but I will try my best to learn this secret language so I may assist in the reading of things.

the secret is that everyone is kind of full of BS at this point c:

[Cephrir]

Mobile readslists are a pain, and am too busy for a full one.
Have a temporary list.
{LLD, Gimli} (LLD down + Gimli up)
{Penguin*} (need to explain this)
{Nulls}{nonposters}{temporarily, the 3 I need to sort}
{redFF}

It’s obvious redFF is scum piggybacking off LLD's erroneous scumread, but I don’t expect her to realize this until I flip town. (Small chance LLD’s actually scum, since a town-LLD I'd expect to be self-aware her hard-pushing p1 warps the game, but I still think town's more likely.)

redFF is obvscum tho, cruising off an effectively free D1.

alright, since you say i'm confusing you with someone else: can you explain why redff is scum?

[Cephrir]

i know i should leave my vote where it is right now but there's something else i want to do with it right now. decisions

[Cephrir]

but penguin, that wouldn't be very wagon of me

[Cephrir]

i don't either but i think ranger's response has been decently scummy

[Cephrir]

think of the wagons we could build

we do seem to have a live one and yet, i'm seduced

VOTE: umlaut

[Cephrir]

i think she's focused pretty hard on the "confusing me with someone else" aspect and while i understand what she's getting at here, it's easier to hide behind this than to take another tack. furthermore, she accuses me of this when i haven't said anything that implied my vote has to do with who she is or isn't. i did make one post about the rightful order of things but that has never been why i was voting where im voting

also, if she wishes me to see her as someone else, then i think i get to hold her to a standard of explaining reads which i would not hold the person i'm confusing her with to, so i would like to see that

[Cephrir]

also, if she wishes me to see her as someone else

if i may rephrase this: "since i am confusing her with someone else,"

[Cephrir]

i know i should leave my vote where it is right now but there's something else i want to do with it right now. decisions

Look, I'm killing Ranger today.

You can BoP me later for it if I'm wrong, but I'm not wrong.

that's fine -- i don't even think you're wrong, but i do want to have this day take more than 6 pages

[Cephrir]

i think she's focused pretty hard on the "confusing me with someone else" aspect and while i understand what she's getting at here, it's easier to hide behind this than to take another tack. furthermore, she accuses me of this when i haven't said anything that implied my vote has to do with who she is or isn't. i did make one post about the rightful order of things but that has never been why i was voting where im voting

also, if she wishes me to see her as someone else, then i think i get to hold her to a standard of explaining reads which i would not hold the person i'm confusing her with to, so i would like to see that

I don't wanna get into the multiple people part of this other than to say it has to be NAI, right? and I don't think she's been heavy handed with it, surely ranger feels its important that we know she's not someone you talked with before.

what were you pushing ranger for originally? I see that you're not pushing her for having an overreaction to that 'i wont townread you just for putting things in the right order', when imo she wasn't reacting to a lean or a push, she was reacting to the familiarity in which you were approaching her.

i can be pretty reliably expected to vote anything LLD feels strongly about on page 1, and then i wasn't super thrilled by ranger's decision to decline any sort of discussion with her

[Cephrir]

yes

[Cephrir]

she could at least try to ask or interact or case someone else or do something besides crumple up and concede

[Cephrir]

she could at least try to ask or interact or case someone else or do something besides crumple up and concede

ceph not reading?

Can’t properly play for another few hours, but decided to sneak some posts in.

Will do precisely that in a few hours.

do better wagonbuddy.

1) i was asked about my initial reason, which happened before those posts
2) i will believe this content is forthcoming when it happens and not before

[Cephrir]

reminder to never self vote in a game with y'all...

...good?

[Cephrir]

Is it obvious? Im not so sure...

Well you've given zero thoughts on any players.

If you're not scum you're sure doing a good job of being +scum.

alright, since you say i'm confusing you with someone else: can you explain why redff is scum?

Explain? Yes. Coherently to your standards? Probably not.

17 was a stiff opener.
71 skips all the content prior to make a post lacking it.
73 was the fifth vote on me. Sail voted elsewhere, so it was only L-3, but it was reasonless joining the only wagon in the game--on a player I happen to know is town. If my suspicion LLD's town is correct, this action is extra-suspect because it's hiding behind a town player's push to vote town.
113 provides the justification, but continues to give no reads.
114 is the very thing LLD is accusing me of--being overdefensive.
127 is deliberately doing nothing.

redFF is blatantly coasting. That's not a guarantee of being scum. It's enough to warrant being my main scumread.

actually that is pretty coherent and meets my standards. i'm not sure if this is AI or not but it does make me happy inside

[Cephrir]

{Gimli}
{Lady Lambdadelta}
{Save The Dragons, Sail}
{Detective Penguin}
{Cephrir, Korina}
{Radical Rat}
{Umlaut}
{furtiveglance | Ethel}
{redFF}

On reflection, this is where I am.

Cephrir's posts are consistently +town. He's skilled enough that doesn't guarantee town, but by feel he's +town by gut.
Similarly so for Korina.

Umlaut's the opposite. The content isn't bad, but looks 'solvey' instead of

solving

. His reads support being scum.

the tiers... they're

multiplying

[Cephrir]

i think furtive is scum too

btw if anyone tries to kill ethel today i will unhinge my jaw and swallow them whole. just a heads up

[Cephrir]

i think furtive is scum too

btw if anyone tries to kill ethel today i will unhinge my jaw and swallow them whole. just a heads up

I agree with both of these takes atm but I wanna give furtive a lot of room to get into the game cause he can be quite the obvtown. last post he made hit his scum meta harder than an overhand though

while I do agree killing ethel is really bad, are you defending them cause new player, cause they're towny, or something else?

Because I'm quite fond of her and I want her to have a nice time

[Cephrir]

Ranger, what is your stance on lying about your role as mafia? I ask because the phrasing "I act N1" does not strictly indicate alignment.

[Cephrir]

That's true. I think we largely expect to not receive a useful answer, but that doesn't mean it's not worth asking.

[Cephrir]

"Blatantly coasting" is town redFF

Thinking about it, this is sadly plausible. It’s not enough to reverse my read, but redFF isn’t my strongest scumread rn.

That'd be Umlaut.

I find the level of read progression, reevaluation, thought process, and reads themselves to all be lackluster. It’s been years since we played together, but I'm

fairly

sure he's a much better town player than his play this game indicates. He looks like he's faking his towngame, doing the necessary motions, but not putting in depth of thought.

it frightens me to agree with you

[Cephrir]

Sail feels underwhelming

so do you <3

I think lld trs are premature. she might do this either alignment, at least I think so

correct, although less so if ranger flips scum. ordinarily i would think bussing was possible but for LLD specifically in this setup specifically that seems really bad

Ranger acts n1

So either let her act

Or she's mafia being cheeky because mafia act n1

Either way I'm not sring you nor am I super interested in her atm

Nah. She won't claim the action. She dies.

But since you are opposing a wagon without providing any content, let's have you give us a scum read you want to kill today STD.

I definitely won't BoP you on it

why are we boping std

[Cephrir]

Ranger acts n1

So either let her act

Or she's mafia being cheeky because mafia act n1

Either way I'm not sring you nor am I super interested in her atm

Nah. She won't claim the action. She dies.

But since you are opposing a wagon without providing any content, let's have you give us a scum read you want to kill today STD.

I definitely won't BoP you on it

Are you going to call me a coward again if I don't?

missed opportunity to respond "I think you know the answer to that, coward"
I think you know the answer to that.

[Cephrir]

Ranger acts n1

So either let her act

Or she's mafia being cheeky because mafia act n1

Either way I'm not sring you nor am I super interested in her atm

Nah. She won't claim the action. She dies.

But since you are opposing a wagon without providing any content, let's have you give us a scum read you want to kill today STD.

I definitely won't BoP you on it

Are you going to call me a coward again if I don't?

I think you know the answer to that.

missed opportunity to respond "I think you know the answer to that, coward"

fixed

[Cephrir]

yes

[Cephrir]

Also saying the tell gives someone ammo to defend Ranger with so why would I do that lmfao

aren't you kind of admitting here that this isn't as ironclad as you're making it out to be?

[Cephrir]

and I'm feeling like disengaging with this game cause I think this game is bullshit

is there any possibility of being the change you want to see instead

im kind of on the fence about ranger right now and i don't think im alone in at least having significant questions

[Cephrir]

I'm not even sure we've played a game together more than briefly where I was town. The one I remember is Open 645, and before that I was killed Night 1 in Blitz 15. If we played together again after those two I forgot about it.

i skimmed your first 10 posts in open 645 and am now more convinced you're scum in this game

[Cephrir]

Idk if I misspoke or you’re making a joke, but Flea and I are two different systems lol.

I think you’re making a joke but my autism is making me think you’re being serious.

i think he was genuinely confused

[Cephrir]

I'm not even sure we've played a game together more than briefly where I was town. The one I remember is Open 645, and before that I was killed Night 1 in Blitz 15. If we played together again after those two I forgot about it.

i skimmed your first 10 posts in open 645 and am now more convinced you're scum in this game

oh, wait, you were scum in that game

NEVER MIND

[Cephrir]

My wagon is bs see the below town games from me where i put in very little effort
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This is part of why I'm uninterested in pursuing red at this time

[Cephrir]

Could you clarify why that one post convinced you of that?

I don't know if LLD read my question or not, but it doesn't look like I'll get an answer. And I couldn't find it anywhere on this forum. From what I've seen, the vast majority of messages between LLD and Ranger have just been a rather pointless and stale argument. I'm honestly rather surprised how heated this seems to have gotten, I expected these games to be a lot more... civil. At first I thought it was just a part of the game, but surely this kind of hostility isn't considered normal? Maybe this comes too late and things have already cooled down, but I just wanted to say something because this seems to have gotten out of hand for what's supposed to be a fun game...

I'm afraid it gets worse than that at times and I'm sorry if I did a poor job of warning you about this

[Cephrir]

VOTE: furtiveglance

[Cephrir]

UNVOTE:

would be happy not to believe you but meh

your day play today has been very underwhelming as town

LLD tunnel on Ranger sort of took over the day, and I found that interaction hard to read

Tried to give some reads on other players, apparently that was too surface-level and TMI

Several players are also being hypocritical.

You for instance haven't done anything extraordinary (do you ever?), and Ceph and STD are coasting as usual.

I'm scumhunting thanks for the totally unnecessary dunk

[Cephrir]

A night 1 cop claim just makes me want this to go through more

[Cephrir]

A night 1 cop claim just makes me want this to go through more

...what

You want to remove Furtive as a N1 cop no one will shoot over Ranger and my read?

It's the scummiest possible claim

[Cephrir]

Ceph I STG if you flip Furtive over Ranger and it flips town, you better shoot me tonight because I'm coming for you tomorrow.

Am I obligated to always accept every read that you have

I'd like to play the game too

[Cephrir]

it's....not though

I mean, in the sense that a N5 doctor claim just gets you yeeted every time, if your only goal is to buy time.

[Cephrir]

Cephrir really desperate for my elimination...embarrassingly thirsty for it

What can I say, scum blood tastes best

[Cephrir]

it's....not though

I mean, in the sense that a N5 doctor claim just gets you yeeted every time, if your only goal is to buy time.

N1 cop claim is one that has to produce results if they're alive. N2-NX don't.

There's a cool scum strategy it's called lying

[Cephrir]

Ceph I STG if you flip Furtive over Ranger and it flips town, you better shoot me tonight because I'm coming for you tomorrow.

Am I obligated to always accept every read that you have

I'd like to play the game too

No but you are obligated to realize I said earlier today that if Ranger claimed N1 Cop I would let them live.

and Ranger did no such thing. Ranger claimed "I act N1". As others pointed out.

So I am saying if you kill the N1 Cop claim over the "I act N1" claim when you were willing to listen to me earlier today, it's a scumclaim

Maybe I'm just stupid

Her claim is pretty terrible too, that's fair

[Cephrir]

it's....not though

I mean, in the sense that a N5 doctor claim just gets you yeeted every time, if your only goal is to buy time.

N1 cop claim is one that has to produce results if they're alive. N2-NX don't.

There's a cool scum strategy it's called lying

The cool thing about a N1 claim is that, as I said, are multiple ways of verifying.

Try reading before sniping.

Never

[Cephrir]

If Cephrir was town who strongly scumread me here he'd recognise that it's mechanically correct to let me live regardless.

You've misjudged things my furry friend

I'm gonna need someone other than you to convince me

[Cephrir]

Okay I guess I'm gonna take a cue from the reception here and take a chill pill but I still think it's a very suspect claim

[Cephrir]

LLD claimed a tell on Ranger that I think I see too. Why wouldn’t I believe LLD and think Ranger’s lying especially after self-vote and “I act on n1” claim unpromptedly

If this is true you have the power to tell us what it is

[Cephrir]

on the one hand i don't see the same townie energy that i saw from red in our last game together. on the other hand i was scum that game so it was easier for me to spot. to some degree i know he is just Like This so i'm a little hesitant but at the same time i think he was townier in the other game

[Cephrir]

i don't think sail has done much town at all

i don't see gimli scum atm

(sail, umlaut, red, korina, ranger) is the group im feeling willing to vote right now

[Cephrir]

I actually want to do Gimli now. I know this was me being a bit of a jerk to STD but I actually am suspicious of STD and I know STD won't bus day 1 as a general rule so putting two fish on the line and having STD go "oh I'll thikn about Gimli" but then rush to do RedFF when I dangle that doesn't bode well for Red being scum.

friends dont let friends preflip

[Cephrir]

if you're preflipping std why not vote std

[Cephrir]

if you're preflipping std why not vote std

and also in doing this please tell me how to read him haha

[Cephrir]

if you're preflipping std why not vote std

because blindspot, tbh. if i'm wrong about STD I don't want to have removed STD from the game when STD + you are giving me good mental.

And also because town STD has been a steady miselim in just baout every game i've played with them recently and scum STD hasn't so I'd rather see the amount of pushback STD gets as the day grows but shhh that was a secret i wasn't supposed to say that

that's fair

im feeling ambivolent about him right now

i wonder if it's meaningful that he hasn't tried to vote me yet lol

[Cephrir]

plus, it makes me look super townie to not push for std here. You both flip on me if I haven't found scum by day 3-4ish, so if i show that i don't want to kill him i can kill him later and look really good

it's a scum strategy :3

excuse me while i go have an aneurysm

[Cephrir]

;_;

[Cephrir]

that's both true and funny

[Cephrir]

VOTE: gimli

don't really think he's scum but i can't resist a good friendship speech

[Cephrir]

fen we have got to do better haha

[Cephrir]

fsdakjl;dfsjkl;fdsklj;

[Cephrir]

real life mafia

[Cephrir]

is hearing fen snort at that post an out of game influence

[Cephrir]

we should not let anyone else post on this page

[Cephrir]

alley oop

[Cephrir]

[Cephrir]

VOTE: redFF :3

[Cephrir]

i don't know that currently but admittedly the main reason i'm doing it is to mess with you

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Sail

[Cephrir]

Seeing the selfvote post come up again and remembering how not good it was

(I'm scum being baited into a reaction if you want)

[Cephrir]

@mod any chance we could get a playerlist with replacements included somewhere in the first few posts

Or does that exist and my eyes fail me

[Cephrir]

I have considered it and that is different from buying it

[Cephrir]

There could be another n1 doc

[Cephrir]

I feel like if we play this way our odds of hitting mafia today are so bad we might as well nolim

[Cephrir]

any scum run up will just claim something we won't elim

[Cephrir]

im not sure that's really how probability works

[Cephrir]

i dont think that plan will work but maybe you're town for thinking it will

[Cephrir]

I've decided it's weird that everyone was cool with voting ranger out despite her claim for a while and then like at least 3 players jumped down my throat for wanting to lim furtive despite his claim

[Cephrir]

Nothing I don't think the situations should be treated differently

[Cephrir]

I've decided it's weird that everyone was cool with voting ranger out despite her claim for a while and then like at least 3 players jumped down my throat for wanting to lim furtive despite his claim

Did ranger at any point claim their actual role or just "I can act N1" still.

Because ignoring that discrepency is a large deal

I guess :/

[Cephrir]

Eh.

What difference in flipping night of act? It doesn't really matter.


Like there could be all PRs who work at Night 1, or something like that, or not. Mostly lifegoal of all cops are live to check, claim it and then rest, while doctors lie like hell about when they can heal lol.

I think this might be correct play actually?

[Cephrir]

The weight of responsibility

[Cephrir]

Let someone else have a turn with the hammer yeesh

[Cephrir]

You have played with it enough and it is time to give someone else a turn

[Cephrir]

Ranger why are you still selfvoting when there is a clear and realistic option for you to live here

Make it make sense

[Cephrir]

we just need one more vote on redff and i'm sure enchant will come in to hammer. I believe the same applies to ranger atm.

Hence my dilemma

[Cephrir]

Im a cop dont lim me

Severely tempted to vote here just for this post

[Cephrir]

oh thanks i didnt know what a cop was

[Cephrir]

Ranger why are you still selfvoting when there is a clear and realistic option for you to live here

Make it make sense

i was hoping to get an answer to this before deciding but that might not happen

[Cephrir]

for me most of what ranger has done reads as town, with the glaring exceptions of her vote and her refusal to engage with LLD. im forced to consider whether those are deliberate scum strategies when they continue beyond the point of reason and beyond the moment of emotion

[Cephrir]

and i guess her posts on the first like 5 pages but im not sure how much stock to put in that

[Cephrir]

VOTE: redFF

[Cephrir]

I would like to hear more about what you think when you feel like it c:

[Cephrir]

Just out it there's no point in having a fake day

[Cephrir]

I guess everyone was like "ah what point in doing anything if after claimed guilty i need to reexamine my solve".

Because that's me basically. WHY I SHOULD BOTHER.

This

I don't like to waste my time

[Cephrir]

Zzz

I'm a night 3 doc

Furtive's fake reason for choosing me is nonsense- he expressed a very strong scumread on me yesterday and is now claiming he can't read me

He's making a trade here because he's firmly in his scum meta this game and he knows he won't last long. His claim was convenient as fuck too

VOTE: furtive

I don't really expect you all to get this right but maybe there's a chance

[Cephrir]

Thanks for the false hope that was very necessary

[Cephrir]

Maybe don't start saying things like 'won games' before you see the flip lol

[Cephrir]

I think Korina and Umlaut are town so far, how's that?

I think town are more likely to do a big list of dislikes, I think scumreads are more +town than townreads, especially early on

Ranger claimed n1 too, and like... I feel like everyone getting ran up today will just claim n1.

This comment seems uncharacteristically thoughtless...

Do you think town will lie, or do you think everyone getting ran up D1 is scum?

Korina is a partner

Cephrir really desperate for my elimination...embarrassingly thirsty for it

If Cephrir was town who strongly scumread me here he'd recognise that it's mechanically correct to let me live regardless.

You've misjudged things my furry friend

"Can't read cephrir"

[Cephrir]

if furtive outed himself for absolutely no reason just to flip cephrir, thats okay we'll get him tomorrow

It only appears to be no reason if you completely forget yesterday ever happened

[Cephrir]

I also think STD looks town off this iso

[Cephrir]

I request LLD be allowed to post again before the day is ended

[Cephrir]

I'm talking about furtive being scum like this because he's scum and I have the unique position of getting to try to solve knowing that information before anyone else does

[Cephrir]

i know no one but me cares about this probably but it bothers me so im going to post about it anyway

the idea that furtive cannot read me is one i believe he has not considered in great detail before making it. not only is there the scumread i already posted about in this very game, but (to my recollection) i believe we have played 5 previous games together. in those games, he has correctly scumread me twice, incorrectly scumread me once, and been my partner twice. he expressed little to no uncertainty in the read in those games even when i pointed out that he appears to always scumread me. he has also had the privilege of being my partner twice and getting to see how i think and operate in real time.

this is not someone who has good reason to think they cannot read me

[Cephrir]

Cephrir why did you request lld post before day end

thought she might read the situation correctly

[Cephrir]

and also that if she didn't it would be useful for reading her

[Cephrir]

Furtive was dead to rights anyway so scum furtive targetting a townie to trade and space for his sick team is a good scum move.

pretend i quoted this 10 times

[Cephrir]

My current off the rails theory is {lld, ceph, furtive} playing 4d chess atm

i wish i was this smart

[Cephrir]

Cephrir why did you request lld post before day end

thought she might read the situation correctly

Why her and not me whom you tr

i dont mean this in a rude way but i figured you would vote incorrectly here and i still think you probably will

[Cephrir]

So why my idea to keep both alive is not considered

because it's bad

[Cephrir]

Cephrir why did you request lld post before day end

thought she might read the situation correctly

Why her and not me whom you tr

i dont mean this in a rude way but i figured you would vote incorrectly here and i still think you probably will

Wow rude maybe I should vote you for this

[Cephrir]

Ok some thoughts as I catchup and read:

- Don't like Ranger claiming n1.
- Don't like Ceph's posting on p2.
- Like LLD posting.
- Dislike Ranger self-vote which required me to read someone else's post to find out that Ranger self-voted bc I'm not fully reading the thread.
- Neutral on FF on p3.
- Sail scumclaim is eh.
- Gimli town.
- Umlaut posting ok, I guess. I didn't read it very detailed, but surface skim it seems ok.

I'm still busy lol but my friends got off to eat dinner so here I am now for a moment.

Maybe umlaut or sail off this (I forget who sail is now)

I think LLD just town and Ranger just scum. I’m very offput by LLD not wanting to reveal the tell but I think I might see it too.

This looked like BS at the time and it looks even more like BS now

I think I like Furtive's posts on the surface level, but Furtive's posting feels very different from the game I just finished with him, and I'm still trying to sort that. I don't think I like the TR from Furtive as a result of me saying I dislike things rather than I like things, but I don't feel it's enough to do anything major with it.

This is like comically s/s to me. Presents positive and negative except the negative explained and the positive isn't because, you know, there isn't a real reason

Why is Furtive suddenly a wagon

Interesting comment to make about someone you allegedly feel iffy about

can we just yeet korina?

I’m glad the feeling is mutual

Editor's note: detective penguin is currently dead

I think the Furtive wagon is scummy af for how quickly it started and I definitely want to look at the people on it, but I think killing Ranger today is the more important thing?

Also comically s/s and spews ranger town if I'm right

No, I don’t think Furt is lying

[Citation needed]

[Cephrir]

VOTE: furtiveglanceRanger would have been the best option to check

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn

I mean she's been incredibly polarizing and has expressed the position that the game won't progress healthily without her being resolved.

A cop check is an opportunity to resolve her without spending a day eliminating her, so that's what I'd have done.

Does this TMI town!Ranger?

No, but 1063 should.

VOTE: furtiveglance

I agree it comes down to which is the townier slot. That’s Cephrir.

I believe furtiveglance has Perspective slipped, revealing himself to be scum.
I should clarify the Perspective slip is far from the only reason. It is simply the reason I can most immediately comment on from my phone.

I did a double take when I read 1063 too - why would ranger be an inevitable elim if she is checked

[Cephrir]

If i am mafia i don't fakeclaim guilty because how shitty my position will be. I will die for nothing.

Why if i can fake towncheck and coast

Does this change if you're in line to get yeeted anyway?

Not really. I know that i am in line to get yeeted anyway. It's not hard to deduce that i am doing death or glory from desperation.

And furtive can't be doing what you've just described because... ?

[Cephrir]

LLD, Umlaut, STD: Our hopes of a correct elimination apparently rest on you now.

why doesn't this list contain kawaiikame

[Cephrir]

or you just assumed your partner would vote me

[Cephrir]

search your feelings gimli deep down you can see it

[Cephrir]

you guys are both mafia, is that it? lmao

I never bus; bussing is betrayal

the nerve to post this after bussing me for the entirety of 2289

[Cephrir]

redFF claims N3 cop: Oh well useless kill lol
Ceph claims Doc: OH WE NEED THIS PR PLEASE DON'T KILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe one person expressed mild interest in having my ability around. This isn't really a good representation of current events

[Cephrir]

Like i love how Ceph calls for LLD help, LLD just does "but we need doc" and part of players like "ah yes makes sense".

It's so boring.

Literally when did LLD say anything remotely resembling this

[Cephrir]

It's both ridiculous and scandalous, to be sure.

I can't wait for all the manoeuvring and finger pointing tomorrow, as everyone who voted for me decries everyone else who did as scum.

Just mindlessly egging on anyone who takes his side with no regard for truth value

[Cephrir]

I think ppl just lazy and sheep LLD mind.

This does not answer my question please provide a receipt

[Cephrir]

I would like to see where LLD cited my doc role as a reason to keep me around

It didn't happen; this is an attempt to handwaved her actual argument

[Cephrir]

I have no need to prove anything to you.

So you admit you're just making shit up to discredit her

Thanks!

[Cephrir]

Found the third one, that was easy

[Cephrir]

<3

you should vote according to whatever you truly think is happening, fwiw - it wouldn't hurt my feelings if you got it wrong

[Cephrir]

cephrir isn't playing like scum with a red check

I'm trying to make sense of it but I can't, idk if furtive would fake a red as scum on d2, I think that's throwing?

but I'm thinking... what if the situation is one where furtive has for instance two partners who don't look like they're about to flip anytime soon? and he thinks by all intents and purposes he is for sure getting elimmed next

I mean, it's wonky but I can see that world and idk what to do with it

i know what you should do with it

[Cephrir]

yeh. mafia is a game where you have to vote out your friends sometimes and that's okay

[Cephrir]

like, by the same token that you would try to win if we played chess together

not saying i don't want your support ofc, i just want it to be for the right reason

[Cephrir]

if reads don't trump mechs in at least some situations, why play mafia at all

yeah id say im townreading ethel. and i also am like mindful of ensuring she understands how the game works & has a good time

[Cephrir]

i kinda want to vote cephrir

then at least consider what i've posted after i'm dead please

[Cephrir]

it's going to be easy for it to get lost especially with the nothing of a day 3 you're signing up for

[Cephrir]

i have a solve that i like too much right now to accommodate STD in it but page me in a couple days if i'm alive

[Cephrir]

i have a solve that i like too much right now to accommodate STD in it but page me in a couple days if i'm alive

C'est quoi ça?

furtive/kawaii and i have enchant in there at the moment

i might just be mad at enchant tho

[Cephrir]

fen you need to give this some real thought. the other undecided slot is very likely furtive's partner so this day is probably in your paws

[Cephrir]

furtive saying he was e-1 prompted me to check

[Cephrir]

oh is umlaut not voting though i thought he was

[Cephrir]

yes i do

hope that helps

[Cephrir]

I don't see why furtive's partner(s) would be undecided?

Voting a guilty result is a perfectly reasonable course of action that would be silly to call someone scum for, so I don't see why they'd be hesitant to jump on that. Unless it's somehow furtive/Ceph, but.... that's a very silly world.

kawaii hasn't posted in quite a while

[Cephrir]

I don't see why furtive's partner(s) would be undecided?

Voting a guilty result is a perfectly reasonable course of action that would be silly to call someone scum for, so I don't see why they'd be hesitant to jump on that. Unless it's somehow furtive/Ceph, but.... that's a very silly world.

kawaii hasn't posted in quite a while

Yeah he must be my partner, since only Mafia ever coast... -_-

you literally just accused someone of coming up with some garbage to try and show a thought process and then made this post as though "coasting" is my case when i have already outlined exactly why i think kawaii is your partner

the enchant school of scumplay

[Cephrir]

a little tired of the just outright making shit up today

try a little please

[Cephrir]

it is so silly that i've repeatedly shown inconsistencies in this dude's mindset and he's got a poemig a think about itna and we're really still having a think

[Cephrir]

my cat made a million typos in that post and then posted it somehow

it is so silly that i've repeatedly shown inconsistencies in this dude's mindset and he's got a poem and we're really still having a think about it

[Cephrir]

how on earth did you know that ethel likes poems lmao

[Cephrir]

Ceph you do a poem

if i do, mine will be better so be careful what you wish for

[Cephrir]

i hate to even think it but there is a really significant part of my brain saying that ethel is scum here and suggested a poem as the only possible way she could flip on me without claiming scum <_<

[Cephrir]

not even a reason. thanks

[Cephrir]

i was thinking of writing the poem but i don't feel like it anymore

[Cephrir]

k

[Cephrir]

yeah that just obliterated the fucks i had left to give

whatever have fun losing

[Cephrir]

Yeah I've been putting in a lot of effort and your voting without commenting on any of it on the heels of Ethel unvoting over a poem is just too much for me right now

[Cephrir]

i hate to even think it but there is a really significant part of my brain saying that ethel is scum here and suggested a poem as the only possible way she could flip on me without claiming scum <_<

Hey, I didn't even flip on you yet and I'll probably go back to voting furtive! I'd just feel bad about completely ignoring a poem, so unvoting seemed like a reasonable thing to do.

Maybe

Sorry that I don't feel up to a poem of my own at the moment

[Cephrir]

Cephrir really getting em with the AtE...fair play

I don't really care enough, obviously it's 100% mechanically better to vote out the Cop, because I've already used my ability, and we want to keep the fake Doctor around to pretend to heal us, so I've just got to accept this one, because of everyone's amazing logic.

This doctor thing is still as much of a strawman as it was when enchant posted it

[Cephrir]

There once was an Enlightened Doc
By name of Cephrir he was known
The scum attacks he'd bravely block
Had earned him far and wide renown

But then, one fateful day at noon
A cop came riding into town
He said you fools, this guy's a goon
Who's working hard to bring you down!

Now there was doubt in people's minds
Who should we trust, who should be hung?
They tried to read them both for signs
And back and forth the voting swung

Eventually, the vote was ended
And the cop got apprehended

VOTE: furtiveglance

Adorable

[Cephrir]

Renown is pronounced to rhyme with town, it doesn't rhyme with known.

POETIC LICENSE

[Cephrir]

Ceph, what's the correct emoticon for 'confused'?

Hmmm how about :$

[Cephrir]

[Cephrir]

i was going to share something later but the risk of not getting to do it at all is too great

[Cephrir]

Don your masks and come to the dance
A dance of joy, strife, sorrow, joy once more
Threads weave together, fox eyes entrance
Sweet wolf and noble erminess – as after and before

For a time the masked animals dance as one
A flurry and fury of motion; hearts twined to one stem
Their journey together marked by beauty and fun
Despite the raging storm that surrounds them

In the end, though beautiful, their battle falls short
Yet the dalliance lives on and will take new forms:
In the next life our heroes find themselves at court
Allegiances divided by mismatching uniforms

Though fox and ermine now fight for their causes
And dance to different songs, set gazes asmolder
They recall dreams of stars when the action pauses
So with heavy heart fox chooses a death alongside her

That sadness never lasts, for the threads one day
They know will once more weave them in tandem
Masks and roles may change, yet the dance will stay
Fox, ermine, wolf -- all but play the cards fate hands them

[Cephrir]

[Cephrir]

i checked everyone and they were all mafia

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Cephrir

[Cephrir]

Unfortunate that I didn't get to post more raccoons

[Cephrir]

Good game. Nicely done Gimli.

I really believe that it made sense for scum furtive to claim a guilty. That probably helped. I'm not sure we win this without at least one of (day 2 going our way / the ridiculous luck of the enchant nightkill going in our favor when to all rights it looked like a terrible move)

I played scum in this setup once before and felt very locked out of the game almost immediately. After we lost one team member for no reason it didn't seem like there was anything we could do. Maybe regardless of sidedness I just don't like the setup?

Anyway, fun game, glad I was able to do my job.