Election! | GAME OVER

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I arrive

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nvm, I go to lunch

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multiple ppl saying sheep should declare different things

not helpful team

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I did not rly start reading much yet sorry

from a very very very rough skim I agree with pooky that the stuff furtive has been saying seems ridiculous -> wolfy

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people should use post tags

[post] around the number links to that post

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this isn't going well, I feel nothing with any confidence yet

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do you unconfidently feel anything?

if anything everyone swapped places between the first 10 pages and the next 10 pages; it's completely useless

guiltylion wolfy then villagery, bingle villagery then wolfy, ausuka villagery then wolfy

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actually my brain has pooky very firmly interpreted as town, but I think it's just because the funny shitposts make it feel like last game because the funny shitposts

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ok

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ah uh

DECLARE: SHERIFF

if it's not too late idrk

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Okay, I finished reading. Thanks

wtf

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townread pooky but not for anything unfakeable

townread lld - I get the feeling that she's never trying to seem villagery. like my perception of her reputation as a player is that she's a

particularly

formidable wolf, which I'd guess would come from like powering and putting on a good show and stuff, but it seems she's just nonchalantly doing her thing, idk

ehh I townread the people who pushed GL cuz they thought really similar things to me at the same time that I thought them
that's like ausuka + there might've been someone else

but at the same time every time GL responds to something I sort of get his perspective and am mildly convinced, I saw multiple ppl like "GL perspective just seems not believable/understandable to me" and im not on that page, idk if I would have hopped on a push on him- my stance is literally just "very confused"

bingle is good, I think they believe their view of the world (not sure if I got that from start of game or some of their posts after I subbed in)
some of the way they presented their mech stuff early on was a bit LAMISTy but I could still easily see it being town enough
oh bingle was one of the ppl who said early things I agreed with about GL-scummy I think, which is + points

don't feel passionately about anyone being wolfy yet, but I think I might if I were reading more focusedly

page 30something ish

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would listen to any of those ppl abt who to vote for mayor ig

the rest seem largely straightforward for me

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tbh unironically sleepykrew might be too funny to be a wolf

furtive is funny too but his humor is less villagery humor

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the [post] tags guys

example 123

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idk bro im not really there

like a greater than random chance but still less than 50% imo

but very imprecisely, and not really based on very meaningful stuff

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uhh can u give me a tldr abt why u think that / the relevant stuff he's done?

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yeah facts I kinda want it pls

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I've played in HotD and Turing Test with him and he was a lot more emotional in those games. He really wore his heart on his sleeve and posted every random musing that came to mind. In this one he seems to just be pointing out superficially logical points against other players and it's a completely different feel.

this actually makes lots of sense to me first impression

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furtive extremely villagery in reading so far, I vibe with him

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wtf u can do emojis??

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tec hnology is scary

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I've played in HotD and Turing Test with him and he was a lot more emotional in those games. He really wore his heart on his sleeve and posted every random musing that came to mind. In this one he seems to just be pointing out superficially logical points against other players and it's a completely different feel.

this actually makes lots of sense to me first impression

this stands out worse to me - sheep, did you actually read those games furtive referenced? I don't get how one player's meta case can "make sense" to you if you don't have that shared history. You're just taking furtive's word completely for granted here, about something fairly vague and unquantifiable ("more emotional", posted "random musings").

like the part that's describing this game seems very accurate / something I thought about, put into words

and then iwas just blindly trusting him for now ig yeah

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uhhh I didnt technically vote btw but it wouldve literally been the exact results

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I do think it's sort of protown for me to still vote but I was lazy cuz I could tell I was just gonna do consensus and then I miscalculated hours by like 4+ somehow

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popping in to assert sharing reads is good

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kinda goofy that that's been in contention multiple times in a game

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like obviously, it being physically possible for town to read u (via u showing thought processes)

far outweighs like the potential potency of ur wolfreads

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and like discussion good and stuff

there was a better theoretical way to put it

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actually it's kinda wolfily goofily showy to me

"important thing here is that my wolfreads will Today ultimately lead to town following me to a hang (clearly extremely unlikely), my confident reads after 24 hrs after not rly interacting with people"

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who even did u sub in for I'll check tmrw

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to be fair ive read not even 3 of ur posts so maybe I just inaccurately summarized

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VOTE: Vote: Lorne Malvo

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oops my bad

uknow what I mean right

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We got to the phase where people are allowed to start the murder

But where is the murder???????

where tf am I, very inaccurate

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"it's possible that the writer is a town player"

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from a quick skin, Lorne's perspective is not real

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skim*

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I just dont believe this pov on how to play the game can Exist

there are too many dissonances

of like

"I used to be unconfident" - projecting 99% confident on AD

projecting 99% confident on AD - trying so hard not to offer a reason

so confident when only bases stuff on interactions - no wolfreads outside of this and doesn't care about that

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maybe if he was very like this in a past town game I change my mind

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As far as I know this Day lasts 8 real days, so there's no reason for me to say who I scumread, otherwise voter's fatigue will come into play and my scumreads won't convert into something worthwhile

I feel like this was not posted with

-real reads that only contained a singular scumread
vs plural "scum reads" here?

-genuine belief of this before just voting AD a day later

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I think guilty lion is a member of the town

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I just dont believe this pov on how to play the game can Exist

there are too many dissonances

of like

"I used to be unconfident" - projecting 99% confident on AD

projecting 99% confident on AD - trying so hard not to offer a reason

so confident when only bases stuff on interactions - no wolfreads outside of this and doesn't care about that

We've played together before

wtf

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ah alt

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update on my reading is that wagoning auskua/xof slot seems fine

furtive up to page 50 or smt was the most villagery poster in the game

absolutely no clue on actiondan, big nothingness

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ok wait here's a question Lorne Mavlo

do you take into account like other peoples' interactions with the flipped wolf, or only the flipped wolf's interactions with them

ausuka defended meowth. is that the sort of stuff that would make someone a confident wolf to u? could u look at that?

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cakez was so villagery man

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Reached end of d1:

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GuiltyLion
Unowen
furtive

LLD
pooky
Bingle

SleepyKrew
ActionDan

Alisae
Save the dragons
xofelf
Lorne Malvo

dont like this enough to do all the writing out explanations

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I considered myself in effect voting xof btw

sorry dont mean to pile on all that pressure but I saw someone list me as a potential partner and was like "wait I dont get cred? oh fuck I didnt do anything yet"

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I think Lorne's push on AD actually makes me much more reluctant to vote him, even more so than my own thoughts on AD do lol

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I considered myself in effect voting xof btw

sorry dont mean to pile on all that pressure but I saw someone list me as a potential partner and was like "wait I dont get cred? oh fuck I didnt do anything yet"

this post is kinda bad, btw

if you want to vote xof then vote xof, there's no reason to stall it out here if that's your preferred elimination

your vote is currently on Lorne who is the only one really pushing for a counterwagon, so like, if you don't trust Lorne and you scumread xof, why would you not just vote xof.

I can see worlds where town does this and sheep has a lot of stuff that generally feels townie to me on the surface but every now and then I get serious heebie jeebies about the amount of coasting he's doing

and I still don't really think bloodbot was all that townie

tryna buy myself more time to read before hammer because im doing it so slowly

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yeah facts

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"wait I dont get cred?"

This also just feels really fake to me, like not a thought that sheep would actually have.

like here is every mention of ausuka/xof in sheep's iso:

ausuka villagery then wolfy

ehh I townread the people who pushed GL cuz they thought really similar things to me at the same time that I thought them
that's like ausuka + there might've been someone else

update on my reading is that wagoning auskua/xof slot seems fine

ausuka defended meowth. is that the sort of stuff that would make someone a confident wolf to u? could u look at that?

then in 2957 sheep has "reached the end of D1" and now xof is in the bottom tier with no further explanation. And now sheep thinks they should get

credit

for a xof elimination? I'm having a hard time thinking that's genuine

idk the more I think about it the more I don't like it

Sheep in light of the above how did you develop your scum read of ausuka over time. Details are encouraged

uhhh my reads while catching up were just never more than like 20% magnitude lol like the only reason I say such stuff in thread is to let people know I am thinking about things
but then the second I think something else later down the line that takes precedence fairly easily in general
and I still dont love my reads, my preferred process is to do ISO's and stuff to where I could describe more coherent thoughts off the top of my head, sorry that it's been so slow this game lol

I forgot about ausuka for a while and then towards the end of the day someone said something about them that made lots of sense, like they seemed overly focused on self-defense compared to solving, and engaged only with stuff that was easy to engage with, and I was just like ok sure I vibe with this

I also liked a world of datisi + ausuka in my head a bit too much, was more hopeful it was just this than was reasonably accounted for

and I thought the associatives with meowth were just a fairly bad look hence the questioning to Lorne

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also just for the record, ofc I wouldnt actually think I deserved credit after thinking abt it for 2 seconds lol

I just in my head I was already voting xof over AD and I saw "seems likely partner rn" and my very gut instinct was like "huh fuck u

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to be fair this is making me remember how flimsy my read on xof is lol I feel bad

if I went back and looked more thoroughly for specifics then my reads might change very dynamically

I was mainly just like in this vs AD I much prefer this rn meh let's do it

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I do more firmly think that Lorne Malvo bad if we're feeling that

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action dan trend very upwards, I like him

gimli was effectively a tunnel for a bit but then ehhh I could see him being town fuck

furtive I think is just clear town, when I subbed in I thought his posting at that time was wonky but now that I reached there naturally I think it's totally chill

now while im typing it is a bit concerning like, the fact that he's a) so confident in his wolfreads and b) has so many of them laying around, probably literally more than the number of wolves there are, which should maybe affect him
but that seems like it's apparently just a defining playstyle trait thing rather than wolfy?

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std, pooky, alisae vaguely on my scum radar and would be like first priorities to ISO

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actually alisae is fine

if anything villa-read, I like the gimli push

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Uhhhh I will do more meaningful things tomorrow sorrry

I checked in very briefly once earlier and felt very good about lld
Sorta funny that that came from an interaction where lld called someone out for feeling too good about lld

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a bit uneasy adding on to like a seemingly very great consensus but I too am made pretty interested in killing ircherSlot

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Sorry my bad

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a bit uneasy adding on to like a seemingly very great consensus but I too am made pretty interested in killing ircherSlot

sheep, I'm curious if you think there are scum currently pushing Ircher, and if so, who they would be

I feel nothing about that off of memory; thinking the same thing that I did about the same set of posts is like +1 point but also totally not unfakeable, especially cuz it looks like basically no one actually voted there

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sheep
Furtive is chill
ActionDan is good, even irrespective of mech stuff
GL is good
lld good

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unowen is goood but I had the thought yesterday that if someone was bussing it's him, and that someone was prob bussing, cuz meowth seemed from a skim like he almost just gave up fairly straightforwardly

sleepykrew is fairly good
Alisae is okk
Bingle is okk
std idrk
ircher

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I remember disliking that people were trying to build teams at this point

but then I guess I sort of instinctively went that direction so whatever

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I really want to kill Furtive today and I don't understand why epople view that player as so town lol

idk it just feels overall like he's the one guy who most genuinely has a worldview he thought about / genuinely believes lol

something there separates it strongly from like, just spamming reads and appearing confident, makes me believe it's totally real solving in a way no one else has the same effect

very abstractly

not a quality of reasoning thing, like nearly purely tone/language

his quality of reasoning has sometimes been fairly subpar

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semi-prodge

to be clear I am in a similar mode to STD I feel like it's just Ircher and kinda lazy to talk abt it

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alisae just curious what u think if one were to suggest this is DADV

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I just ISO'd SKrew and didn't really like it and am like tryna writing some sentences

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tho I would still wanna do ircher instead today sorry bro

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idk when I skimmed through the thread SK's vibes were nice but I somehow missed this philosophy of like "I have no intention to really have many reads right now" that I think is mildly wolfy

it's just, he has so little clear reads that it's kinda bad, but it still seems like he's trying to seem like he's doing more than he really is
and there's no overarching consistency

-asking lots of questions that don't go anywhere
-when he does give reads, he sometimes seems a little reluctant to make it a legit assertive thing, like calling things "weird" rather than scummy
-talks about Bingle or GL wolfy but it's really hard to call them legit wolfreads as they only are mentioned every 30 pages, and he doesn't attempt to like do anything with those reads like convince ppl of them
there's a sort of dissonance between talking about his wolfreads like they're 100%-confident tunnels, when that just doesn't line up with anything at all
-blindly sheeps onto meowth for day 1 which I find bad because a) his wolfread on GL when GL was a major meowth pusher, b) I feel like his approach to the game and meowth's are fairly similar and that should've been a factor involved

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I think the contexts between Firebringer game where I said Dead Air Dead Villager and here are just different?

ok yeah idk I didn't think it was either I was just mildly curious when I thought about how this is so agreed upon

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I guess I also vaguely remember people being like "ircher kinda towny now" here and there so u cant rly call it that by definition lmao

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ok I will read ur iso next and see what that makes me think

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VOTE: sleepykrew

I actually prefer to kill ircher but 2 wagons is fun and I want in

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oops not really

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I was liking andante but the wolfread on me feels kinda wolfy

there are just a lot of contradictory things being said about me
or false things that just make these thoughts seem not real


-thinks I never explain SK read, furtive quotes a post where I talk about SK, nothing changes
-talks multiple times about a post where I say SK is NOT actually my top wolfread, then says "this doesn't strike me as someone who's TOP SR is Sleepy"

-im doubtful she actually read sk's iso found it wolfy, read my iso, and then thought that the things I said about sk can be applied to me, just on an objective level

-it feels like "his posts are all insanely short lol" is too lazily turned into other stuff like no reason to townread him / he hasn't given meaningful reads+explanations etc.
Ive been lazy but I dont feel like I've been thattttt devoid of anything meaningful. her townreads (at least like GL and her predecessor AD) have found things here and there to find villagery in some of my posts, and that fact should contradict stuff she's saying about furtive as well as about me

the line of questioning toward Unowen when he was willing to vote SK while wolf-reading Ircher more is also kinda goofy. like maybe just cuz im on the exact same page UNO, but it feels like it should be pretty easily get-able

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idk why I just wrote so much about someone who will be mechanically solved

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I will probably decide this is way too easy of a townlean
in a couple days

but my initial reaction to bingle just being able to talk about so much stuff live with andante upon sub-in

was that it makes his thoughts about the game like 10-20% more likely to be real

have not thought hard about the actual content beyond surface level

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theres too much

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I was wanting to do like unowen or something and work upward in desire to avoid this

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@sheep, have you played with Andante before?

Don’t think so

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oh wow posts

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Idk I dont really get the GL perspective mechanically

my very first thought was that the idea alisae protect got blocked is plausible enough that night results dont mean much to me, rather than it's intuitive to now assume alisae is effectively scum and go from there

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maybe means wolf in the PT yadda yadda, I dont rly yet get all the like which abilities people had left that were known and all, but I didn't immediately think Alisae is now more likely scum idk

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DECLARE: SHERIFF

meh wheee

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Idk I dont really get the GL perspective mechanically

my very first thought was that the idea alisae protect got blocked is plausible enough that night results dont mean much to me, rather than it's intuitive to now assume alisae is effectively scum and go from there

unsurprisingly I get terrible vibes from this post

I don't know if it's worse if Alisae is town or if Alisae is scum but either way I don't like it

sheep how often do you find scum by looking for "plausible" explanations when night actions point to them being scum?

like why is this logic any different than someone getting guiltied and then another player being like "idk the idea of the cop being redirected is plausible enough that the night action doesn't mean much to me" like ?? we play based on what's most likely not by discarding any and all information because its "plausible" the information could be wrong

also Alisae what do you think about it? Like if I were in your shoes and I was

town

, this would stand out terribly to me. I don't get why you had no reaction to it?

eh this helps me see ur perspective better at least

idk I came in biased toward alisae cuz I was townreading them, and then I saw stuff and was like yeah fair enough it makes lots of sense scum have some sort of roleblockling mechanism and predicted last night's actions, like closer to 50/50 than 95% confidence

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like if this were a random normal game and someone comes in claiming cop guilty, obviously that guilty is dead to me

and then there's that weird open setup where a decent amount of the time cop results are messed up or something but less than 50% of the time.. then if a cop comes in with a guilty i dont react the way you reacted to alisae

and then it feels like there is like 90% chance it's closer to the second one where there exist mechanisms to hamper our roles

very roughly

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I do agree a lot with GL about some of Ali's posting today it does feel performative lmao I just dont see the mechanicsl part

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congratulations

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I think im gonna vote like, GL and Uno I guess

even tho I think furtive slightly more likely to be town than GL but both are townreads

I would maybe have abstained from voting if I thought more than like 3 ppl had submitted

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alisae "kill me today or make me sheriff" just doesnt make much sense to me and seems fake I guess

dont see a reason from any pov why we wouldnt be able to just like.. treat it like all the other slots and sort it normaly that way

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am extremely busy for the next couple days sorry

am feeling alisae wolf but dont have the capacity to talk about it a ton

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one random thing that stood out to me was std defense

like

"I empathize with him because I've been in a position where I couldn't get into the game, so I want to believe that's him here"

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is really weird as like something that doesnt even mean STD is any more likely a villager in this game, the way it's phrased

but it's still used as like an active defense of the slot


and I think overall alisae just feels too notably different from last game, like that game was very natural lines of thinking
lots of flipping and flopping and like uncertainty

whereas here on the flip-side I could really really easily perceive each read/take as sort of, conscious agenda-d efforts to influence things

tho I get that that could just be a natural difference of more confident here vs especially unsure there, but this game hasn't felt like a game from them thats defined by like confidence in how they view the game

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curious if furtive can talk more about GL now because I think the reasons furtive found GL wolfy when I subbed in where I was like "hm that makes lots of sense" (like more uninvested in terms of tone) have become not true in this game anymore

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Can u link that game

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curious furtive what do you think about me saying alisae feels very different vibes from Business game

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I like alisae better now but I still think that line of reasoning holds true

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Sheep as well ig I don't think I quite understand what sheep's worldview is

uhhhh probably cuz I dont feel anything confidently enough to describe a worldview

generally the people ive trusted more are the biggest presences like GL, LLD, bingle, kindaaa u ish, and been more skeptical of the less-present

but I also think that doesnt seem right overall, like first >20% chance someone in that group is snowing me/us, just like no way the team is literally just a bunch of inactive like skrew uno STD

I was actually convinced / down to just do furtive today but I actually really liked that readlist

like my one holdback with furtive was that he was almost refraining from giving explanations for things, or some explanations were bum, so how can you know the thoughts are real

but those are just like, some solid explanations for things, like I want to believe they've been existing the whole time and weren't just come up with to now justify his existing reads

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bro I keep thinking something and other ppl post it first and it looks like im bandwagoning onto something, fuck u guys

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Sheep, what

That list, and reading ppl's ISO's, literally changed/decided my current thoughts, so I haven't just gone and justified everything.

What explanations were 'bum'?

I was thinking mainly like ur tunnels on ur wolfreads like SK where I remember it being difficult to find discernible reasoning until now

dont feel like bum explanations is important, I just remember most things so far being more shallow than whats in that readlist, like player x feels like this other game etc some things had just stood out to me before as weak reasoning idk sorry bro

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furtive Recent WIM boost is also slightly villagery

like not insanely difficult to see it coming from a wolf, but it would be very very respectably impressive, how much work he's been churning out rather than losing motivation

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ehhhh I could see LLD as content wolf

like I was first aboard the train of "LLD wolf would be actively controlling the game more"

but it's almost too not-actively-impactful, like I feel like maybe it should feel like she cares more about her reads getting enacted, given confidence in them

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actually that feels unfair because she effectively almost singlehandedly limmed furtive earlier today

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bingle can u explain why 90% me

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gg