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@Ali, please unvote and lets talk where PB does not have hammer potential anymore.- Wavelength
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Like, I want to take a walk and stop being heated from that exchange, and then come back.
But I am worried that if I actually make compelling posts in an exchange with you, PB might just hammer for survival. To avoid us turning on him.
So, it is like, I feel like I can't actually even try until then- Wavelength
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You and I both know that if you hammered after the big deal you made about not hammering, it would out you.In post 1813, Pink Ball wrote: I could've hammered before you started speculating shit, I could hammer right now, you still make no sense and it's still pretty obvious you're derailing LLD's wagon
So, just hammering here is not an out for you, unless you literally have no other choice.- Wavelength
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I am not posting more about it until Ali has unvoted, for the reason stated in 1814.
I just wrote the post I will send once that happens and saved it as a draft.- Wavelength
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I keep refreshing hoping for the Ali pop-in.
But it I am going to have to go offline soon :/- Wavelength
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In post 1701, Alisae wrote:WAVE
Ali, our different schedules have cursed us this day.In post 1712, Alisae wrote: That’s sadge I was really hoping to try to talk to a townie before I went to bed
This is now me.- Wavelength
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Makes sense.
But I do have to go now, so I guess my post will have to wait :/- Wavelength
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Are you not willing to unvote at least long enough to hear me out about my concerns?In post 1837, Alisae wrote: No quickhammer from flea, pb, or you
Sas has his vote in play and is gone
We should probably stick in SAS vs LLD
I agree that the lack of hammer means that 1 scum is very likely inside of LLD/SAS, but that does not fully address my concern- Wavelength
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If you are not even going to listen to me, I guess I can just vote LLD because I am powerless if you are not even hearing me out :/- Wavelength
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You do not get it.
If I am right about him being third party, we can be setting ourselves to be fucked.
I pathed out the possible outcomes if PB is 3rd party, and LLD is town. It is BAD- Wavelength
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I am not really convinced that not waiting until the stephen slot has been replaced is a bad thing, seeing as how who ever gets it might need to choose who to make hated tonight.In post 1842, Alisae wrote: Like I’d love to kill PB
But that requires waiting for a SAS replacement, convincing that SAS replacement to do it.
But even without waiting, You+Me+Flea+LLD = Dead PB.
LLD will likely agree because anyone else is better then her, even if that someone else is her partner.- Wavelength
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But you unilaterally deciding that you get to choose where a Melo day ends is kind of frustrating.- Wavelength
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Now that we know that we are never in a 3:2:1 world, and only 4:2 or 4:1:1, here is a run down of what happens if we go ignore the possible SK.
This is the world that I am worried about. If we get it wrong between Stephen and LLD, and PB is 3rd party, we are fucked.
Frankly, (especially after the last page or so!), I am prepared to bet the game on PB being Not Town, of one variety or the other.
You seem to think that the only world where PB is town, I am scum. If I am wrong, then I will take the miselim tomorrow and this loss will be on me.
You talked me out of pushing for the third party kill yesterday, but I want it today.- Wavelength
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I had kind of accepted that if he was 3rd party, we were largely going to be at the whim of the anti-town night actions when 3:2:! was possible, but we can potentially lock that out now that we know we are never at 3:2:1- Wavelength
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If PB is 3rd party, which is my best guess at how this game makes sense, then this is the wrong game plan. We are setting ourselves up to lose.
If you are right, and I am wrong, THEN WE WIN WITH EITHER PATH.
But if I am right, and you are wrong, then your path could be throwing the game.- Wavelength
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In post 1847, Wavelength wrote:
I am not really convinced that not waiting until the stephen slot has been replaced is a bad thing, seeing as how who ever gets it might need to choose who to make hated tonight.In post 1842, Alisae wrote: Like I’d love to kill PB
But that requires waiting for a SAS replacement, convincing that SAS replacement to do it.
But even without waiting, You+Me+Flea+LLD = Dead PB.
LLD will likely agree because anyone else is better then her, even if that someone else is her partner.- Wavelength
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If you think that the scum team is LLD+Me, then this path is STILL a town victory.In post 1855, Pink Ball wrote: Wave your logic is really really off and I can only see this kind of logic that omits key information coming only from scum!you
You flip town -> We kill me and LLD in the last two days of the game.- Wavelength
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The path that I am saying we take wins if I am right. It wins if Ali is right. It wins if Pink Ball is right.- Wavelength
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And if we are all fucking wrong somehow, then we were losing anyways- Wavelength
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Well, I wanted the unvote, because I thought that if I was able to start to sway you, then PB might hammer. And I did not want him to have that option anymore once you started considering what I had to say.- Wavelength
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What scum team do we lose to by doing my path?
It is the safest path, and it is feeling really shitty that no one actually seems to care about my concern for the way this could lose. (Not PB, he has to argue against it if I am right, so :shrug I guess)- Wavelength
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Yes.
I was leaning SAS>LLD before your case.- Wavelength
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Like I posted this, and you voted anywaysIn post 1538, Wavelength wrote: I think I might be leaning SAS > lld for group scum.
But I am not confident in that at all, and want to do some rereading before we commit to anything
So please don't speed the day @ali / flea / pb- Wavelength
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SAS was single mindedly focused on PB in a way that I felt like could be him as scum trying to avoid having other scum reads, and his push was fairly ineffectual at first.
But looking back, his push actually had an uptick after PB claimed that the people in his hood could come back. Suddenly, he was interested in "saving" the people in PB's hood.- Wavelength
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I am saying you 3rd party, and SAS group scum.In post 1870, Pink Ball wrote: IF IT WAS SAS AND ME I WOULD'VE HAMMERED FOR FUCKS SAKE
So no.- Wavelength
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I misread when I said Yes.
I was saying yes to SAS+Penguin Power, not PB- Wavelength
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In post 938, Stephen A Smith wrote: Kokichi is dead and Pink Ball is making shit upIn post 939, Stephen A Smith wrote: he can't talk to dead people he just kills peopleIn post 940, Stephen A Smith wrote: or maybe they're stuck inside his stomach or something
You can see the transition right in the ISO, from "PinkBall is lying about everything" to "wait, lets kill PB to save the people he kidnapped"In post 948, Stephen A Smith wrote: I am here to rescue Best Bird
Like, even the tone and mood of his posting up ticked here as he saw that as a possibility- Wavelength
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In post 1333, Wavelength wrote: Okay, running through the numbers like stephen did, but with there being 6 alive instead of 5
If we are at 3:2:1, and we kill Pink Ball, and then there is a night kill, that would make tomorrow 2:2
We lose...
So yeah. We should have killed pink ball yesterdayIn post 1335, Wavelength wrote: I guess there is the possibility that one of PB's targets were scum since they did not flip, but it seems scary to bet the game on that. So I am gonna work from the assumption that we are 3:2:1 right now.
I think that flea is the person that I am most prepared to treat as 100% town.In post 1338, Wavelength wrote:
That just leaves 1 more town in [Ali, Stephen, LLD]In post 1335, Wavelength wrote: I guess there is the possibility that one of PB's targets were scum since they did not flip, but it seems scary to bet the game on that. So I am gonna work from the assumption that we are 3:2:1 right now.
I think that flea is the person that I am most prepared to treat as 100% town.
I really want to believe its Ali, but Stephen+LLD going at one another so much leading into the end game makes me question if they can be teamed
PB is acting like I am suddenly having these thoughts because I am trying to save LLD, but these were my thoughts walking into the day.In post 1339, Wavelength wrote:
Maybe the game actually makes more sense if one of Kokichi / Penguin was scum?In post 1338, Wavelength wrote:
That just leaves 1 more town in [Ali, Stephen, LLD]In post 1335, Wavelength wrote: I guess there is the possibility that one of PB's targets were scum since they did not flip, but it seems scary to bet the game on that. So I am gonna work from the assumption that we are 3:2:1 right now.
I think that flea is the person that I am most prepared to treat as 100% town.
I really want to believe its Ali, but Stephen+LLD going at one another so much leading into the end game makes me question if they can be teamed
Because Ali being town, and then it being *one of* Stephen/LLD makes a lot more sense to me with how I have been reading this game.- Wavelength
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I am going to stop using abbreviations, because you are not understanding me.In post 1879, Alisae wrote:
he didn’t believe for a second that people would come back from pb’s hood.In post 1871, Wavelength wrote: SAS was single mindedly focused on PB in a way that I felt like could be him as scum trying to avoid having other scum reads, and his push was fairly ineffectual at first.
But looking back, his push actually had an uptick after PB claimed that the people in his hood could come back. Suddenly, he was interested in "saving" the people in PB's hood.
SAS doesn’t have to play this way if he’s a wolf with PB. If he’s a wolf with pb he decided to immediately hard bus his partner and LLD played a major role in getting most town dead compared to SAS.
And everyone who had a read on SAS was like “ya I believe he has this read.”
Also if this were really the case, wouldn’t the game be over now?
Like why wouldn’t a wolf pb hammer a town LLD here if those 2 are the team?
I do not think that the team is Stephen + PinkBall.
I think that it is possible that it is 3rd party pinkball and then group scum Stephen + maybe Penguin Power.
Pink Ball cannot lol!hammer in that world. He is outed.- Wavelength
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Ali you have yet to give me a single scenario where your path wins, but mine loses.
And you refusing to consider my path WHEN IT WINS IF YOU ARE RIGHT TOO.
Is incredibly frustrating.
Like, you unilaterally have decided what we are doing today, and are not treating this like the team game it is supposed to be.- Wavelength
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Like in all worlds you have presented, it wins on the exact same DAY PHASE. We do not even delay the win.In post 1885, Wavelength wrote: Ali you have yet to give me a single scenario where your path wins, but mine loses.
If it is LLD+PB, then we win tomorrow with an LLD kill. If it is me+LLD, then your plan was already kill LLD->PB->Me. So switching to PB->LLD-ME wins in exactly the same amount of time for both teams you have said are possible.
But if you are WRONG, and I am RIGHT, you are throwing this game for no reason other then you deciding that we are doing it in your order just because.- Wavelength
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I disagree, and you are not willing to budge to cover my concern? Even though from your POV, it should be exactly the same?In post 1886, Alisae wrote: He’s not a third party.
from your POV there should be NO BENEFIT to doing it in your order, and even if you think that it is fruitless, you could do it just to make me feel better, instead of stripping me of all agency this day phase.- Wavelength
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I need your vote, so yes. I need you to convince you, and I need you to unvote.In post 1889, Alisae wrote: Ur path is better, I’m not the person who you should be convincing here unless you really just want me to unvote.
And then I can talk to Flea.
I am genearlly assuming that I have LLD's vote by default, when the alternative is her own elim.
You are the one who gets to decide which path we are doing here.- Wavelength
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I don't think that your explenation for PB's play / role makes more sense then him being third party, and you are literally world building from a starting point that I dont agree with.In post 1889, Alisae wrote:
Ur path is better, I’m not the person who you should be convincing here unless you really just want me to unvote.In post 1885, Wavelength wrote: Ali you have yet to give me a single scenario where your path wins, but mine loses.
And you refusing to consider my path WHEN IT WINS IF YOU ARE RIGHT TOO.
Is incredibly frustrating.
Like, you unilaterally have decided what we are doing today, and are not treating this like the team game it is supposed to be.
You’re frustrated but I don’t entirely get how you think it could still be something like Sas + pp where I feel like I’ve explained where I’m coming from from d1 to now.
If I am right, and PB is 3rd party, you don't think that suddenly your solve path would be different?
That is what the PB flip gets us. The chance to start from the same place when trying to sort between LLD and SAS- Wavelength
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I didnt want you to accept responsibility, I wanted you to be willing to be a team player.- Wavelength
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because someone you think is town is begging you not to ignore them- Wavelength
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IF I AM WRONG, AND YOU ARE TOWN, THEN YOUR SOLVE OF ME + LLD WOULD HAVE STILL BEEN KILLED.In post 1901, Pink Ball wrote: And I wanted to be a teamplayer but you kept calling me 3p
LIKE JESUS CHRIST- Wavelength
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Pink Ball, what changed your night action choices?In post 1897, Pink Ball wrote: I'm targeting SAS and bringing back PP to the game so game won't be over even if LLD flips town, so bye bye good night- Wavelength
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I don't care. We should have killed pink ball for the last two day phases, and he is the elim for today.
It is possible that the last group scum is inside of him. Which could mean that all other elims are town elims, so he is the only correct elim.
If the last group scum is Enchant, even if we kill group scum enchant, then 3rd party Pink Ball one of us and wins.
If we kill town, then he eats one more and he wins.
Mechanically, Pink Ball is the ONLY correct elim.
Once again.
I am tired of not being listened to
VOTE: pinkball- Wavelength
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Thinking on it, you claiming that your blashpehmous should be on, but its not, actually gets rid of the Ali scum paranoia that I had over the night, so thank you for that.
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If it is 2:1:1
Then if we kill mafia, we make the 3rd party win.
If we kill the 3rd party, and the people he kidnapped die, we make the mafia win.
If we kill the 3rd party, and the people he kidnapped are released, then we have a chance. This is the only path to a possible town victory.- Wavelength
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I thought that you were going to eat me, but that did not mean that turned my brain off thinking about how Ali played last day phase.In post 1931, Pink Ball wrote:
Why were you paranoid if you thought you wouldn’t play this game anymore?In post 1920, Wavelength wrote: I really did not expect to have to play this game anymore- Wavelength
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Like, I was your biggest threat, and I also had an invest, so you could claim to be trying to stop the mafia kill.
So I expected you to take it.- Wavelength
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My invest result was that you have submitted a killing action btw
But you already seems to have taken responsibility for the penguin kill, so pointless.
I lowkey expected that if I were to live the day, you would be claiming to have had your action fail again like last day phase, and I could use the info on if you submitted such an action, but :shrug:- Wavelength
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PinkBall, from your POV, you seem to be calling me scum.
What is your answer for why Enchant's blasphemous ability is not working in that world view?- Wavelength
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You did not do what you claimed you would do.In post 1935, Pink Ball wrote: You thought I would eat you, yet you asked me why did I change my targets when I said I’d target SAS
You also did not do what I expected you to do.
So yeah, I am asking for you to explain your actions lmao- Wavelength
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@Flea, given the facts:
1) The game is currently still happening, and
2) Enchant has claimed that they tried to use their blasphemous ability, and it failed
There are only 2 possible worlds that we live in.
A) We are currently at 2:1:1, and since there is a third party that lives here, it is pink ball. OR
B) We are at 3:1, and Enchant is lying about his blasphemous ability.
That is it.
Those are the only two possible mechanical worlds at this point. However, I don't think that I am ever voting Enchant this day phase, because I am convinced that Pink Ball is third party.
Pinkball is trying to claim that he is town, and that I am scum, which is not a possible world for us, because either the game would be over because me+you/enchant are at parity, and the game would be over, or it is just me, and enchant's blasphemous ability should be on.
Pink ball is once again, just calling me scum, because he needs people to not listen to me.- Wavelength
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In post 1939, Wavelength wrote: you seem to be calling me scum.
What is your answer for why Enchant's blasphemous ability is not working in that world view?- Wavelength
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I actually think you are most likely the last mafia, but killing you this day phase = losing the game to 3rd party Pinkball.In post 1943, Enchant wrote: Why you don't consider me.- Wavelength
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If you are, claiming to have tried to use your blasphemous ability was a misplay, for what its worth.
You should have claimed to not have read enough of the game to use it.
That would have given you plausible deniability.- Wavelength
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Here is the mafia win con:
We cannot be at 2:2In post 779, SirCakez wrote: You win once the Mafia
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