Open 875 - The Kindgom of Zeal: The Queens Chosen - GAME OVER

[Detective Penguin]

nope...don't like this...

VOTE: redff

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i...didn't see the vc fully in my haste and while somewhat hesitant to do so...I must...

VOTE: ceph

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i have decided to underreact indefinitely so that voting for me ceases to be entertaining

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

guess you should also stop being a counter wagon as that will be endlessly entertaining to me

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how about we look at the vote count and see what alternatives for counter wagons there are....

none...just you...great

i'm penguin, it's what I do.

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this time all detectivey and stuff though

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49

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29

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count me in as scum number three as well

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pause my gameplay seriousness? for just one minute because I have to say this...

my first game onsite was with ranger in diffusion of power. memories.

<3

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makes sense to me

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absolutely nothing at this point

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not really - I've done it several times both as town and scum.

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I guess I should clarify that it depends on where in the wagonscale it falls...

self-voting to hammer or lead to a hammer is bad stuff as town.

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VOTE: Detective Penguin

<3

I somewhat remember you...you were scum last time, right?

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Awesome! Glad you expect to be around for a bit.

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boy...how about that Sail...I think they are surely, definitively scum.

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Well that narrows down the number of players you could be significantly since I've only 3 but I sadly can't tell instantly who you were back then, sorry. <3

viewtopic.php?p=8018307#p8018307

Why are people pretending like it's that hard to figure out who I am an alt of?

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VOTE: redff

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Ethel same, me every game

furtive scumtell #1 has made its appearance.

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VOTE: Gimli

you should vote redff

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shhh...come here: i wasn't being serious - i was playing into ethel's post

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<3

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on ΛΔ

who to the what now?

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oh math symbols...haha..hilarious

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umlaut can be scum then

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i'm a freaking bird detective man...i don't know what to tell you except OH WAIT THEY ARE BOTH USED IN MATH TOO OMG WHAT??!?

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i know i should leave my vote where it is right now but there's something else i want to do with it right now. decisions

you should decide to do it

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i could help though

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think of the wagons we could build

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think of the wagons we could build

we do seem to have a live one and yet, i'm seduced

VOTE: umlaut

oooh - i do like this better than redff

VOTE: umlaut

[Detective Penguin]

i don't either but i think ranger's response has been decently scummy

really, why is that?

vote umlaut with us

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she could at least try to ask or interact or case someone else or do something besides crumple up and concede

ceph not reading?

Can’t properly play for another few hours, but decided to sneak some posts in.

Will do precisely that in a few hours.

do better wagonbuddy.

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chaos

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lol at umlaut read - surface skimming seven posts? Are you for real?

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Are we going to make tracking scumtells and numbering them a thing?

I. am. down.

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link if you don't want to explain?

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reminder to never self vote in a game with y'all...

forgot to say that your avatar is one of my favorite albums of all time. which needed to be said. because.

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ah - well you aren't confirmed town so that's the first gap.

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To explain the Penguin read, if it were PenguinPower on his main I'd be inclined to think his posts were +scum--counterintuitively, because they look +town. However, Detective Penguin isn't on the PenguinPower account. If the meta isn't 1:1, then Detective Penuin's posts looking +town could be exactly what they look like; +town. So, tentatively, trusting Detective Penguin's meta isn't identical to PenguinPower, +town posts get a townread.

I would like for you to expand on why my posts are +scum if I were on my main. I don't really think my posts are any different than they would have been as either town or scum on any account except for volume.

[Detective Penguin]

my other read is that furtive is more likely a townie because he is trying to interact with detective penguin - a slot that he had to kill n1 as a serial killer last time - and I think he is more likely to do that as town this time

I think furtive is playing to his scum meta so far

What changed?

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well the thread is twice as big now, and furtive is playing reserved, like he does everytime he rands mafia

These were the posts:

Ethel same, me every game

Ethel same, me every game

furtive scumtell #1 has made its appearance.

I think I'm always self-deprecating

Morbin time

I want to get the game going a bit more including all players

Even best case scenario if Ranger flips scum it's like ok LLD is town and what else

I'd like to get more out of today

Help me understand what exactly led to the flip in read.

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that's it? That took you from likely town to "he's playing to his scum meta so far?"

Like - according to you he wasn't playing to his scum meta so far prior to those four posts, but he was following...so the only reason is that he didn't provide reads? Just want to be clear.

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mmmmmm...ok

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guns aren't coming out tonight i guess

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i mean - i love finding things to latch on to early on but if not...eh...wagons are fun

[Detective Penguin]

I think I know how you operate by now

could you be my new skitter or pooky? time will tell...

my bad

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I would like for you to expand on why my posts are +scum if I were on my main. I don't really think my posts are any different than they would have been as either town or scum on any account except for volume.

still something I would like...

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Your posts here are free of memes. On PenuinPower your posts are filled with memes (especially when town). A 1:1 translation would suggest scum, because the nature of content from you is too serious. Benefit of the doubt = assuming not a 1:1 translation and the +town content being +town, despite its seriousness.

yeah ok...that makes sense

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VOTE: redff

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It's not contradictory if she says she's not trying to save herself though...which she did say.

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punctuation is important!

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what are you going to do if ranger flips town?

gah

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The question doesn't actually answer much for you this is a proven thing I do as both alignments post town elimination.

But you asked so I'm answering.

i should probably have rephrased to be more specific - how would ranger flipping town impact your current reads or are you single-minded on ranger!scum?

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oh

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oh my

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what is this?

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competing wagons at equal levels?

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yes...yes...I believe so

VOTE: furtive

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UNVOTE:

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Can you please unvote yourself, Ranger?

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wonderful...unvote yourself pls?

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Can you please unvote yourself, Ranger?

I see no reason to.

Every voter on me will have accountability for it. Especially L-1/hammer.

There's a great deal going on. My vote on myself keeps my wagon strong, meaning extra accountability for positions.

I mean - it's completely helpful for VCA + the fact that you are the only viable yeet + the fact that you voting is helpful regardless of whether you flip scum or town +....oh look that that, lots of reasons.

Your vote skews things, it doesn't help things.

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Can you please unvote yourself, Ranger?

I see no reason to.

Every voter on me will have accountability for it. Especially L-1/hammer.

There's a great deal going on. My vote on myself keeps my wagon strong, meaning extra accountability for positions.

the fact that you are the only viable yeet

*are not the only viable yeet

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tbf- you've had opportunity to help start new wagons prior to you and you've done.....nothing

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meh

VOTE: furtive

that's probably e-1 idrc I just want this day over

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I don't really have much empathy for an undefined v/la at game join.

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deadlines exist independent of v/la's

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UNVOTE:

would be happy not to believe you but meh

your day play today has been very underwhelming as town

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way to project instead of own...I would be happy to get rid of you for that alone if you didn't have to now die or confirm a slot

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yeah - that's not ever how this game works. stop whining and do your stuff.

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way to project instead of own...I would be happy to get rid of you for that alone if you didn't have to now die or confirm a slot

Yeah I'll own my terrible crimes...of what exactly?

Not posting every 5 minutes?

In that case Radical Rat should be up in flames

not actually stating shit? not actually taking a hard stance on...anything? just kinda being....a player?

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doesn't matter now though so we can move on

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I want to do my stuff but I'm obviously gonna die now

sure seems like being a n1 cop would involve trying to not do things that results in being suspected d1...maybe

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doesn't matter...we're here now

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Ranger claimed n1 too, and like... I feel like everyone getting ran up today will just claim n1.

ranger didn't claim role. a n1 cop has to produce a result if they aren't dead and that result can't be verified in a few different ways.

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can be*

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can we just yeet korina?

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it's....not though

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it's....not though

I mean, in the sense that a N5 doctor claim just gets you yeeted every time, if your only goal is to buy time.

N1 cop claim is one that has to produce results if they're alive. N2-NX don't.

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it's....not though

I mean, in the sense that a N5 doctor claim just gets you yeeted every time, if your only goal is to buy time.

N1 cop claim is one that has to produce results if they're alive. N2-NX don't.

There's a cool scum strategy it's called lying

The cool thing about a N1 claim is that, as I said, are multiple ways of verifying.

Try reading before sniping.

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I'm gonna need someone other than you to convince me

Boy - seems you'll just ignore them

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I am 90% in agreement with LLD here, if that wasn't clear. The whole same night thing is wrong at 0% chance.

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You think that there are 2 N1 cops in this setup?

I think that the setup explicitly allows for it, yes.

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You think that there are 2 N1 cops in this setup?

I think that the setup explicitly allows for it, yes.

Tell me about this, then

?

The Mod randomises how many Cops and Docs there are: 1/3rd chance of a 4/6, 5/5 or 6/4 split each.
The Mod then randomises a number from 1-5 for each town player. This is the one night that the players' role works on.

What do you want me to tell you about?

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can we just yeet korina?

I’m glad the feeling is mutual

thanks for popping in...you actually read the game yet or are you still too busy?

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to be clear - more than a "surface skim" of seven posts

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I mean - the history of the game is readily available and I'm sure you know how randomization works.

I'm not going to engage with this further since my point was that furtive has to clear or die and ranger is worse because of the claim. I was calling out your incorrect 0% statement.

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What do you want me to read? Ranger’s posts make me want to not read the game at all, and Furtive just got wagoned.

There’s actually nothing of note for me to read, unless you want me to dredge through the garbage of LLD v Ranger, when I honestly just think Ranger’s scum.

the game...I thought that was clear. you just want to make a snarky comment at me about my alignment when the last thing I know you were too busy to care and were just skimming 7 posts.

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Just tell me the odds. Tell me the odds of 2 N1 Cops.

why don't you tell me since you're at odd with it

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viewtopic.php?t=89798

3 N5 cops...boy what are the odds

first game I saw with it actually listed in the OP

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take your time...sure you need to reassess your stance now.

I'm going to bed so we can discuss tomorrow.

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VOTE: korina

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do you think furtive is lying?

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I think you should since you were just at

and I think you could just be scum too.

Which would imply he's lying.

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I think Ranger 100% claimed n1 to buy time

“I act on n1” claim unpromptedly

You can also let me know which one you think it actually is....

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or we could just yeet korina and I would be a happy penguin

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no - because they're making it up

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i didn't say you were, nor am i advocating for your yeet

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i didn't say you were, nor am i advocating for your yeet

yes but you are protecting Ranger, and despite Ranger's efforts to make this personal my read on Ranger remains about her behaviour and gameplay.

So I'm really trying to shoot down all the nonsense and just kill her today.

I mean - that's fine but despite your feelings, you aren't doing much to convince me that Ranger is scum since you are basing your read on something you don't want to discuss. I don't see it, and I think Korina's behavior is objectively scummy.

You can call everything else nonsense, but I think that's what you are peddling with your tunnel on Ranger since you won't back it up.

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Could you randomly vote korina?

TIA!

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Why not?

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random, non-random voting on korina is popular.

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it seems as if korina has done some more randomly scummy shit than rr has done randomly scummy shit so I randomly put my vote on korina

randomly

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pretty quick and easy iso...they are basically making statements that they don't actually believe and then making other statements that don't match with what they originally said.

scum who can't get their footing and are just basically sheeping lld while trying to appear like they are attempting to actually figure out the game.

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not bring out of game things into the game? idk.

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I called you out for what you are doing in the game though....amazing.

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Peng you have never played with me before and it shows lol.

this is bollocks btw

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thanks for showing up to do nothing but defend yourself and talk about ranger v lld again.

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still want to yeet the slot to the moon

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yeeting slots that have done yeetable things is quite fine and I don't see a reason not to.

if you want to catch up and then provide that opinion, I'm happy to consider it.

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your last point is valid though

night claims are needed here.

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but also, we've already had two so I'm not super stressed about it

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but also, we've already had two so I'm not super stressed about it

People claimed already? Who?

ranger and furtive. both claimed N1, furtive claimed cop.

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I'm subbed in, anyone mind saying what's happening 26 pages in? I'm willing to go back to read it all but an overview will be appreciated

I want to yeet you pretty bad...

Read it all and let's see where you are at afterward.

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Why? I just got into this

....really? You didn't join a new slot...it's been in the game.

Read the game and come back to me.

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I dislike Penguin's posting so far, and dislike Ranger.

I think Gimli and LLD are townie though.

That's all I got for now, can post more substantial thought later.

Is this why you don't like my slot Penguin?
I imagine this is only the opening/beginning...

Keep reading.

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why not

you're right

VOTE: radical rat

ngl - this irritates me to no end.

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no - made the same request of you and was ignored, but you made a weak request and Gimli abided.

Given that you were listened to over me makes me feel reaaaaaaaallllllllyyyyy bad. Like...really bad. Can't believe it actually happened bad.

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I'll give you that

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I was voting korina with you - you didn't have to ask me for that

I asked enchant to

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it was, yes.

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bit peeved std leaped over me

ngl

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oh

oh no

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enchant...buddy...hey...you ok?

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enchant...buddy...hey...you ok?

What's this about? Lol

He says its random I dont really care. Id prefer enchant try but I'm mot gonna get mad over it

I'm just having fun no worries.

(he also said RR was random...it's enchant)

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Hi - have you finished reading?

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cool - talk later

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cool - talk later

can i talk with you so i don't go mental every time ranger posts

absolutely. What do you want to talk about?

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I'm not in a super confident place with reads (it's D1 and I usually just wagon for VCA later), but here's where I'm at:

- Do not want to yeet furtive or Ranger. This doesn't have anything to do with reads and is completely mechanical. I actually liked std's posting around this (even though it's easy for scum to be mech focused) because it makes sense to me so ++town!std.

- I've been vibing with Gimli for most of the day phase, so I'm going to throw him into the town bucket for today.

- I think scum!you would be playing to potential opportunities better, so either I get some associative from today or you are town. Either way, you are a no yeet.

- Enchant is impossible for me to actually read, so enchant is true neutral for me. Ethel is here for me too. I have no idea how to Ethel. Ceph is here for similar reasons to the other two.

- RR and redFF are basically null, but just a bit below. this is entirely gut based on their posting.

- Umlaut is next because I don't think he actually believes what he is saying and comes across as going with whatever flow of the game fits best for Umlaut in the moment.

- Korina/Kawaii is scum, entirely because of korina. They don't believe what they say, in fact contradict themselves across pages, and just followed whatever you wanted to do as a smokescreen for their actions.

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Beg your pardon but I believe I'm still voting myself and stated explicitly it's best to kill me today.

mechanically you are wrong.

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What would you do if both furtive and myself live?

Almost like there are multiple investigative/protective roles in this game, but I don't care to argue with you.

Your play today is nonsense. I'll leave it at that.

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mmm...you understood that? the part I think I did, I disagree with for today.

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par for the course

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exactly...tysm

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could you clarify what cephrir is referring to as the correct play for me so I'm sure I understand what you were saying?

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oh - then I did misunderstand. yeah, that's correct.

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I thought you were trying to say that it doesn't matter if we flip claimed N1 actors.

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We aren't in a situation where that has been claimed.

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depends on the circumstances at the time

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VOTE: redff

yeet o'clock

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someone just wants the hammer

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Why did Enchant unvote redFF, bit sus

pretty sure we established it's so enchant can hold the hammer

pretty sure you should know that enchant's thing

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N1 is the correct thing to claim today, as either Town or Scum. Tomorrow the correct claim for anyone except a Cop with a result is going to be N2.

lol - no

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I really think you all should listen to what Radical Rat is saying about Ranger. I would reiterate it but they've already put it as well as it can be put. Nothing about her play today is pro-town.

nothing about it says "scum motivation" either whilst there are other players who play does and we're ignoring them soooooo....

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Um...lol even more?

We could have pushed through another yeet if Ranger wasn't being dense on the subject, so I don't believe for one second that you can sit here and believe that's her motivation for everything she's done so far.

You've dropped from a gut-only read to an actual scum read.

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Normally, yes. In this particular setup, no.

Have you every played this setup before?

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Of course - theory is always better than reality. Got it.

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Have YOU played this setup before?

Good thing I haven't already said anything about that in this game thread at all ever.

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oof that reaction is horrible

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enchant I apologize for criticizing your random vote

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we just need one more vote on redff and i'm sure enchant will come in to hammer. I believe the same applies to ranger atm.

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really wanted a korina/kawaii yeet but that doesn't seem like it's going to happen

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Dont do it. I can use my investigative power night 3 to find a mafia or confirm a town

lol - this is a scumclaim

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oh good you voted

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you're slacking enchant. nm would have hammered by now.