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Post Post #1918 (isolation #0) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:13 am

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My ability didn't work. It means half of living players are evil.
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Post Post #1923 (isolation #1) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:20 am

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I hope everyone understand that voting not advised.
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Post Post #1927 (isolation #2) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:27 am

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In post 1925, Wavelength wrote:
It is possible that the last group scum is inside of him.
Incorrect.

My ability would only fail if there's 2 anti-town players alive. It means remaining mafia are here.
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Post Post #1937 (isolation #3) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:34 am

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Pink, why you killed Penguin and didn't release Kokichi.
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Post Post #1943 (isolation #4) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:46 am

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Why you don't consider me.
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Post Post #1946 (isolation #5) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:48 am

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Techically speaking, it could still possible that we are in 2vs2.

Game could not end because no-lim could happen and Pink then release town and eat mafia member.
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Post Post #1947 (isolation #6) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:48 am

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But likelyhood of this... Heh.
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Post Post #1950 (isolation #7) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:50 am

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Hey, i know how to solve situation i think.
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Post Post #1953 (isolation #8) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:52 am

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I consulting mod about it.
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Post Post #1959 (isolation #9) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:00 am

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Town Pink Ball:

We no-lim.

Pink Ball releases Alisae/Kokichi and eats mafia suspect.
Mafia can do whatever.
We live happily and probably win.

Third Party Pink Ball:

We no-lim.

Pink Ball lied about release, so he just eats someone and kills someone he already ate.
Mafia holster, or tries to kill Pink Ball. If they successfully kill town instead, well they stuck in 1vs1 with Pink who ated someone. Good luck to them.

If we are in 3p elo after, we just vote Pink Ball out. If eaten players get back after killing Pink, then we have fighing chance against mafia (we could at minimum have 4 players at start of night). Otherwise mafia plainly wins... Which well, happens? Like, we lose to mafia even if we lim Pink Ball!3p right now and eaten players can't come back so yeah.


I consider both of these safe route.
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Post Post #1960 (isolation #10) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:05 am

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Still didn't get clarification from mod but i think 50% players are error.
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Post Post #1961 (isolation #11) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:05 am

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I mean role pm.
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Post Post #1963 (isolation #12) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:08 am

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Because i don't believe on words about role PM. We could still have 2vs2.

I asked mod and didn't receive answer still.
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Post Post #1965 (isolation #13) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:09 am

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I mean i don't believe anyone for obvious reason.
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Post Post #1966 (isolation #14) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:10 am

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In post 1964, Pink Ball wrote: Do me a solid and look for the role “Mentor” in the Wiki, please
I know it already.

Mentor converts Mentee on his side. Mentee can kill, if Mentor die, Mentee die, if Mentee die, Mentor can simple recruit someone else.
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Post Post #1967 (isolation #15) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:19 am

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Mod told me he can't answer.

Secret wincons aha uhum.
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Post Post #1968 (isolation #16) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:20 am

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Fine consider that i believe that mafia just ignores everything and wins at 50%
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Post Post #1970 (isolation #17) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:23 am

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K.

So 1 mafia+third party.
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Post Post #1972 (isolation #18) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:48 am

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In post 1971, Wavelength wrote: @enchant, who did you try to use your hated skill on, and why?
I writed this in my message
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Post Post #1973 (isolation #19) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:48 am

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You did read it right
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Post Post #1986 (isolation #20) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:54 pm

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Ah yes. Mafia wins 1vs1 against third party.

... Wait why. It's against all logic.
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Post Post #1987 (isolation #21) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:54 pm

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No i mean wincons worded really strangely.
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Post Post #2003 (isolation #22) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:13 pm

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... So can you bring Alicae and Kokichi back or not?
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Post Post #2007 (isolation #23) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:56 pm

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In post 2003, Enchant wrote: ... So can you bring Alicae and Kokichi back or not?
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Post Post #2009 (isolation #24) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:58 pm

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Do i look like person who can read
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Post Post #2013 (isolation #25) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:05 am

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Issue that redirection exist.
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Post Post #2014 (isolation #26) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:05 am

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I mean, Pink Ball will be redirected.

I didn't study where this comed from but Flea can you unvote?
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Post Post #2018 (isolation #27) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:29 am

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I think i will vote Flea if doesh't unvote.
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Post Post #2020 (isolation #28) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:35 am

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Hammers are based.
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Post Post #2021 (isolation #29) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:36 am

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If i have choice between losing to mafia and 3p, i prefer to lose to 3p.
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Post Post #2024 (isolation #30) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:41 am

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So Flea is mafia
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Post Post #2026 (isolation #31) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:42 am

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Issue that you don't make sense.
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Post Post #2028 (isolation #32) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:43 am

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Cool.
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Post Post #2030 (isolation #33) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:48 am

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I don't believe you are survivor no offense.
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Post Post #2032 (isolation #34) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:59 am

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What wave even claimed and what results?
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Post Post #2034 (isolation #35) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:06 am

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Blatant fake, no objection meme.
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Post Post #2035 (isolation #36) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:12 am

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I find strange that mafia tried to kill Alisae, instead of Wave who basically had investigation.

I find strange that Wave believed you are third party already yet wasted check to prove it instead of trying to catch remaining mafia member.
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Post Post #2039 (isolation #37) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:47 am

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It also doesh't make sense that mafia have redirection.

You see if i was mafia and saw claim like "UH I EAT THIS AND RELEASE THIS"... I won't believe it. Because there's no reason to tell so at end of day just for sake of telling. As you saw in message, i had idea that you are gambiting. Was not 100% sure though.

If i have redirection power... On who i use it anyway? So yeah if mafia had redirection power, they plainly use it on you and redirect so you won't cause SURPRISE like this.


... Unless mafia is like hell naive. So i think they are out of shots.
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Post Post #2041 (isolation #38) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:57 am

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What Ali actions was N1?
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Post Post #2043 (isolation #39) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:03 am

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I doubt it's redirector. Otherwise Alisae will be send on someone else and kill them.
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Post Post #2044 (isolation #40) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:04 am

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I think you meant Rolestopper.
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Post Post #2049 (isolation #41) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:31 am

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What Kokichi role was?
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Post Post #2051 (isolation #42) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 3:00 am

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Sounds boring.
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Post Post #2052 (isolation #43) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 3:08 am

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My theory is that you should be perfectly fine with killing remaining mafia at night.
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Post Post #2064 (isolation #44) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:56 am

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For someone who poorly played with role, you have big demands.
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Post Post #2065 (isolation #45) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:57 am

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I mean if i am mafia, i just vote no-lim, we go in night phase where Pink believes i am not scum and eats town, while i send him to kingdom come.

And i win.


... So?
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Post Post #2070 (isolation #46) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 5:04 am

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In post 2068, Pink Ball wrote: (Sorry should’ve asked this first: Enchant, what are your pronouns?)
I don't have
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Post Post #2072 (isolation #47) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 5:07 am

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If we talk about this, your actions is completely not provable.
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Post Post #2085 (isolation #48) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 5:54 am

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Okay Wave is mafia. Whatever.
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Post Post #2090 (isolation #49) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:05 am

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In post 2088, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 2085, Enchant wrote: Okay Wave is mafia. Whatever.
I’m pretty sure his paranoia towards you, although incorrect, confirms even more that he’s town
Not really. I think Wave fears dying to you and tries to keep options open.
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Post Post #2092 (isolation #50) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:13 am

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I am not sure if you are survivor why you care so much about not killing me but whatever.
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Post Post #2100 (isolation #51) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 3:52 am

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If Pink is SK who can't return town back on dying, we are kingmake and i side with him regardless.
If Pink is SK who can return town back on dying, we need to vote him to have chance. I dunno.
If Pink is Survivor, then eliming last mafia is best course of action.

Likelyhood of Pink telling truth about being survivor is pretty slim though, but let's try to go with that it possible.


I think, going with no-lim is best course of action regardless if Pink is SK or survivor.
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Post Post #2101 (isolation #52) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:04 am

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On other hand 50% population wincon really dissuades SK.

Like SK loses guarantee against lone maf? Meh.
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Post Post #2114 (isolation #53) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:53 pm

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I hope it's not copypasta of messages.
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Post Post #2170 (isolation #54) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:07 pm

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Oh wait did we lose
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Post Post #2171 (isolation #55) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:09 pm

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No i mean, i think if Pink Ball still wants to help town and survivor, he can just... Uh... Kill mafia at night.

Why force town by insisting that mafia need to be elimed today.
... Which is prob flea idk.

So yeah good luck i guess.
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Post Post #2178 (isolation #56) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:14 pm

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Honestly, town is to blame by letting you survive so i think that's fair game.


You asking to blindly believe you are survivor on town side after your play? Eh. I doubt sorry, go kill if it makes you feel better.
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Post Post #2179 (isolation #57) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:15 pm

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What point of reading? You already voted no-lim and said we lose.

So yeah, let's go with that. I replaced, I don't care.
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Post Post #2183 (isolation #58) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:17 pm

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It was already hammered.

You need only half of votes to hammer no-lim.
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Post Post #2186 (isolation #59) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:19 pm

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... i repeat.

No-Lim doesn't require majority. It reguires half of players.
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Post Post #2189 (isolation #60) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:21 pm

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We can ask.

But it's done because if half of ppl vote no-lim, then... What? Just wait for deadline ticking? Lol.
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Post Post #2191 (isolation #61) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:22 pm

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Idk why you apologize.

You supposed to not care.
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Post Post #2195 (isolation #62) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:27 pm

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Hilarious.
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Post Post #2197 (isolation #63) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:32 pm

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Wave you acknowledge that he doesn't need our hammer?

Like he can just stale before end of deadline.
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Post Post #2205 (isolation #64) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:40 pm

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Killing Pink Ball only makes sense if his targets come back.
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Post Post #2207 (isolation #65) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:44 pm

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Okay presuming you get my vote. But you really expect support from Flea?
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Post Post #2210 (isolation #66) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:47 pm

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Why you not consider no-lim strongly better though?
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Post Post #2213 (isolation #67) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:56 pm

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In post 2212, Wavelength wrote:
In post 2210, Enchant wrote: Why you not consider no-lim strongly better though?
What makes no-lim a better option?

I have asked you and flea both this (while explaining what I saw the benefits were to killing pinkball) and neither of you answered
Regardless if Pink is Survivor or Killer, he has incentive to kill mafia at night.

If survivor stops kill and finish game hopefully.
If SK, well why not?

Like even if it goes like he wants where mafia kills me and he no actions, it's simple enough to vote him and mafia will follow suit: Like hell they risk beliving potential SK instead of just letting him die and win guarantee.
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Post Post #2221 (isolation #68) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:15 pm

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In post 2217, Wavelength wrote: Here is the issue that I see with no elim.

If only his kill goes through, then we come back to 3p elo tomorrow. No matter who he ate, he claims that they were confirmed town to him when he ate them, and he was wrong, and it is ____.

And we will have no way to distinguish between:

Pinkball ate the last mafia and is lying
vs
Pinkball and the last mafia doubled up on the same target

And we will be back at having the exact same argument on whether he has a SK win con or if he has a Survivor win con.
Well, yes. Exactly. Situtation will not really change.

But we will give chance if he is real survivor though and eats mafia. If not, well, just vote him and then roll for "If dying players can come back".
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Post Post #2225 (isolation #69) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:20 pm

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Take your time.
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Post Post #2226 (isolation #70) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 6:37 pm

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But if he SK who gives back all players he ate, there's no difference when vote him: Today or tomorrow.
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Post Post #2231 (isolation #71) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:03 pm

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If i am mafia, i vote this "Survivor" like 100%
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Post Post #2237 (isolation #72) » Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:06 am

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Pink so you are FOR no-lim or not i am confused
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Post Post #2253 (isolation #73) » Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:30 am

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In post 2249, Pink Ball wrote: If you're scum, I win, if you're town, Flea shoots Enchant to avoid WIFOM, I win
Or Flea doesh't risk you being SK and holster, then votes you out.
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Post Post #2255 (isolation #74) » Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:33 am

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In post 2254, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 2253, Enchant wrote:
In post 2249, Pink Ball wrote: If you're scum, I win, if you're town, Flea shoots Enchant to avoid WIFOM, I win
Or Flea doesh't risk you being SK and holster, then votes you out.
If I am a SK fae still wins, scum’s win condition is being at 50%
Unless your ability overrides it.
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Post Post #2258 (isolation #75) » Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:36 am

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So you siding against me?
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Post Post #2270 (isolation #76) » Wed Mar 22, 2023 9:15 am

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Oh for god sake
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Post Post #2278 (isolation #77) » Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:58 am

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You still trying to pull i am mafia?
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Post Post #2284 (isolation #78) » Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:39 am

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And i stop Pink from eating you because?
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Post Post #2306 (isolation #79) » Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:14 pm

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In post 2286, Wavelength wrote:
In post 2284, Enchant wrote: And i stop Pink from eating you because?
I think that he holstered.

He told you and flea that he was going to target me. If one of you are scum, and listened to him, and he ate me, then the game would have gone to 1:1, and the scum would win.
Okay, and i won't kill because?
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Post Post #2307 (isolation #80) » Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:17 pm

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Actually if i am mafia, i wouldn't attack anyone. Dumb question.
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Post Post #2309 (isolation #81) » Wed Mar 22, 2023 12:21 pm

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I think we just should no-lim again idk

Just vote fast night this time, because i did and bruh
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Post Post #2314 (isolation #82) » Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:05 pm

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VOTE: No-Lim

Yeah.
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Post Post #2334 (isolation #83) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:06 pm

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Why you ate Flea instead though.
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Post Post #2336 (isolation #84) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:28 pm

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fuck
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Post Post #2337 (isolation #85) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:33 pm

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Why you killed Alisae, and not Kokichi?
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Post Post #2339 (isolation #86) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 10:36 pm

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this is literally cringe
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Post Post #2343 (isolation #87) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:49 am

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Why you used it.
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Post Post #2346 (isolation #88) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:51 am

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Let me put simple.

You used Bunny Mask which confirms you don't perform NK... Now?
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Post Post #2347 (isolation #89) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:51 am

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No really i know you are no-way are town but damn that's so silly.
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Post Post #2350 (isolation #90) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:53 am

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In post 2348, Wavelength wrote:
In post 2346, Enchant wrote: Let me put simple.

You used Bunny Mask which confirms you don't perform NK... Now?
I don't think that I understand the question.
Your actions make no sense for town.
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Post Post #2357 (isolation #91) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:59 am

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I know you both not town.

My decision is basically kingmaker of sorts.
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Post Post #2368 (isolation #92) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:08 am

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I need to think.

But i am still not understand. Pink you are survivor. Just vote me and win?
No i mean don't do that but i would't be mad in this case i think because that's for your wincon and all.
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Post Post #2375 (isolation #93) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:14 am

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In post 2371, Wavelength wrote: But if you think that there is even a 1% chance that I am town
hahahaha

no
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Post Post #2385 (isolation #94) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:23 am

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Pink, you are in hood with Flea and that dangarnopra fan right?
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Post Post #2392 (isolation #95) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:28 am

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It's not break of rules. Survivors are not forced to side with mafia. It's just easier.
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Post Post #2394 (isolation #96) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:28 am

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Also i believe you cannot accuse players of breaking rules. So can we not
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Post Post #2398 (isolation #97) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:35 am

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In post 2395, Pink Ball wrote: It's ok Enchant I don't mind in this particular case
Do you need to finish off remaining mafia when you eat last one to end game?
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Post Post #2403 (isolation #98) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:42 am

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Nah that would be silly.
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Post Post #2404 (isolation #99) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:43 am

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In post 2402, Wavelength wrote: If you were a survivor, why did you previously argue that the game would continue even if you had all of the scum inside you?

What was the rational behind saying that the game would not end?
where
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Post Post #2412 (isolation #100) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:58 am

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If Pink ball is SK then why mafia wincon so strangely worded to allow them to win 1vs1 against SK?
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Post Post #2421 (isolation #101) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:24 am

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Here's why both the Mafia and Mold win.

As planned, the Mafia and Mold were not able to win with each other. However, the Mafia win condition was inadvertently written to be completed upon control of 50% of the population. As this obviously occurred, the Paranatural Entities win.

However, I consulted fferyllt and T-Bone about this result occurring due to an error in written win conditions. Thus, had the Mafia win condition been written correctly as planned (they would have needed to eliminate all other factions) then the Mold would have won as with NAR resolution and Norwe's 1-shot Bulletproof he would have been able to kill Mastina before Mastina could kill him. Thus in fairness, we decided to rule the Mold as a winner as well.

I sincerely apologize for this improper conclusion but I could not see a way for a fair result otherwise as both the Mafia and the Mold had arguments for their victory.

I also apologize for my mod interference on day 1 when I locked the thread during the fake dayvig shot. I took steps to ensure I would not undertake such mod interference again in the future!

I hope everyone enjoyed this game - I had a lot of fun running it and you all were an awesome group.

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Could SirCakez make same mistake TWICE?
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Post Post #2422 (isolation #102) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:39 am

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Damn that's really bastard.

If Pink is SK and Wave is mafia, then mafia wincon allows them both to win. Which techically wrong.
Therefore, wincon denies SK existance.

But if Mod is screwed with wincons... Then i make decision out of wrong knowledge?
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Post Post #2424 (isolation #103) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:52 am

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I want.
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Post Post #2436 (isolation #104) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:06 am

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No i mean if i am mafia i just hammer Pink already and then win regardless so uh.
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Post Post #2438 (isolation #105) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:06 am

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In post 2434, Wavelength wrote: If you vote enchant, you confirm me town too. And you suddenly have no out to win.
lol i have bad feeling about this
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Post Post #2453 (isolation #106) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:23 am

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In post 2452, Pink Ball wrote: I could end voting Enchant, but I'm not threatening them
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Post Post #2459 (isolation #107) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:26 am

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I needed to contact listmod but hey! Now i know you both evil!
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Post Post #2468 (isolation #108) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:32 am

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Image

VOTE: Pink Ball

Sorry, but if there's slim chance to bring Flea and ... what that was dangaronpa fan again, i am forced to take it.
If it was SK vs mafia, i absolutely side with you though!
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Post Post #2476 (isolation #109) » Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:20 am

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Looking back, no-lim was mistake. We could had 2 chances instead i think.
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Post Post #2478 (isolation #110) » Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:28 pm

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You must be joking.
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Post Post #2481 (isolation #111) » Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:03 pm

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If i am mafia, i instantly win with hammer of Wave, due controlling 50% votes.

I doubt mod would say "oh well i fucked up so i retract your win", so it's safest option for me.


Do you insist i am mafia even after that?
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Post Post #2483 (isolation #112) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 12:46 am

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Mafia either wins over SK, or with SK. Regardless, mafia wins.

I can't be mafia. Nope. Vote Wave.
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Post Post #2485 (isolation #113) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:29 am

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Cool idea, but what about i don't?
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Post Post #2487 (isolation #114) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:38 am

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I already quoted mod post from CONTROL where SK with same wincon and mafia with 50% votes are won together.
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Post Post #2491 (isolation #115) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:55 am

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I see.
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Post Post #2492 (isolation #116) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:56 am

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In post 2489, Wavelength wrote:
In post 2476, Enchant wrote: Looking back, no-lim was mistake. We could had 2 chances instead i think.
I do think that it would have been better, but I don't actually think that it would have given us an extra shot?

Just would have given us kokichi or ali today to help you sort.
If you didn't figure, mafia would had dilemma between killing someone and confirming you as good (because you had fruit vendor shot and could't kill), or not killing to keep options open.
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Post Post #2493 (isolation #117) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:57 am

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Ah yes that bunny mask would confirm you as not killing last night.

How cool you wasted it right?
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Post Post #2495 (isolation #118) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 7:59 am

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You should't had used it regardless.
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Post Post #2497 (isolation #119) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:02 am

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So why you used it?

Like what you expected?
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Post Post #2502 (isolation #120) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:14 am

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They don't make you town either.
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Post Post #2504 (isolation #121) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:17 am

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You also suggested to kill pink instantly which should had worked better imo.
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Post Post #2506 (isolation #122) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 8:18 am

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But why Flea didn't just kill Pink?
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Post Post #2517 (isolation #123) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:44 am

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Pink lied about this fact.

Pink was not bulletproof, nor he roleblocked anyone he eat.
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Post Post #2518 (isolation #124) » Mon Mar 27, 2023 9:45 am

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Fairly we didn't knew about this fact.
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Post Post #2521 (isolation #125) » Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:04 am

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Flea can you fullclaim again
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Post Post #2532 (isolation #126) » Wed Mar 29, 2023 8:05 am

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wroom wroom
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Post Post #2536 (isolation #127) » Wed Mar 29, 2023 12:37 pm

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i am bad at Elos
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Post Post #2537 (isolation #128) » Wed Mar 29, 2023 12:38 pm

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Wait actually i am bad overall carry on
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Post Post #2546 (isolation #129) » Wed Mar 29, 2023 11:43 pm

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I am still mad that by using that fucking mask on me Wave would clear self last night, and we would't have this day.
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Post Post #2550 (isolation #130) » Thu Mar 30, 2023 3:22 am

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In post 2548, Flea The Magician wrote: Yeah but then Kokichi would also be alive.
Or if you are ADVANCED player, just lie you used it before AND THEN use.
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Post Post #2552 (isolation #131) » Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:41 am

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It's for me mostly so i won't jump whole thread.

Spoiler: Dead Players
Name: Amici Curiae (hydra of RH9 and biancospino)
Perish: Eliminated Day 1
Flavor: Gnome Ann
Role: 1-Shot Watcher, 1-Shot Cop?, Flavor Cop
Actions: None

Name: Marashu
Perish: Eliminated Day 2
Flavor: Heihei
Role: 1-Shot Janitor-Roleblocker. Animal Hood.
Actions: Unknown

Here There Be Dragons (hydra of Cephrir and Save The Dragons)
Perish: Killed Night 2
Flavor: Lux and Tenebrae
Role: Tracker, SuperSaint Variant. Animal Hood.
Actions: Unknown

Name: Ircher
Perish: Eliminated Day 3
Flavor: Quality
Role: 1-Shot BP, Cop+Tracker Miller
Actions: None

Name: kuribo
Perish: Killed Night 3
Flavor: The Pig from Baked Ham
Role: BG with 1 Vest, Shit Poster. Animal Hood.

Name: Lady Lambdadelta
Perish: Eliminated Day 4
Flavor: Lady Lambdadelta
Role: Doublevoter, Last Will
Actions: No point

Name: PenguinPower
Perish: Killed Night 4
Flavor: An Extremely Apathetic Macaroni Penguin with a Chef's Hat
Role: Does it matter?
Actions:
N1: Can't act
N2: Can't act

Name: Alisae
Perish: Killed Night 6
Flavor: Blue-Eyes White Dragon
Role: 1-Shot Janitor Vigilante

Name: Pink Ball
Perish: Eliminated Day 7
Flavor: The Dream Kid
Role: Kidnapper
Actions:
N1: Kokichi
N2: PenguinPower
N3: Alisae, kills PenguinPower
N4: Unknown
N5: Flea, kills Alisae

Kokichi Oma - Killed Night 7 - Kokichi Oma (Strengthener)
N1: Unknown
N7: Unknown



I gonna figure.
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Post Post #2554 (isolation #132) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:36 am

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no
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Post Post #2555 (isolation #133) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:36 am

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Updates
In post 2552, Enchant wrote: It's for me mostly so i won't jump whole thread.

Spoiler: Dead Players
Name: Amici Curiae (hydra of RH9 and biancospino)
Perish: Eliminated Day 1
Flavor: Gnome Ann
Role: 1-Shot Watcher, 1-Shot Cop?, Flavor Cop
Actions: None

Not Interest.


Name: Marashu
Perish: Eliminated Day 2
Flavor: Heihei
Role: 1-Shot Janitor-Roleblocker. Animal Hood.
Actions:
N1: Unknown. If i was janitor i would think twice before wasting it so probably RBed someone.

There's two failed actions on Marashu N1: AlisaE Janivig, Here was the Dragons tracker.


Here There Be Dragons (hydra of Cephrir and Save The Dragons)
Perish: Killed Night 2
Flavor: Lux and Tenebrae
Role: Tracker, SuperSaint Variant. Animal Hood.
Actions:
N1: Marashu. Failed.
N2: Unknown

Name: Ircher
Perish: Eliminated Day 3
Flavor: Quality
Role: 1-Shot BP, Cop+Tracker Miller
Actions: None

Name: kuribo
Perish: Killed Night 3
Flavor: The Pig from Baked Ham
Role: BG with 1 Vest, Shit Poster. Animal Hood.
Actions:
N1: LLD
N2: Alisae (why protect someone with Ascetic mask is question though)
N3: Waveleght

Name: Lady Lambdadelta
Perish: Eliminated Day 4
Flavor: Lady Lambdadelta
Role: Doublevoter, Last Will
Actions: No point

Not Interest.

Name: PenguinPower
Perish: Killed Night 4
Flavor: An Extremely Apathetic Macaroni Penguin with a Chef's Hat
Role: Does it matter? Sigh. N2+3-Shot Strengthener (Strongman OR Ninja)
Actions:
N1: Can't act
N2: Can't act

Not interest.


Name: Alisae
Perish: Killed Night 6
Flavor: Blue-Eyes White Dragon
Role: 1-Shot Janitor Vigilante
Actions:
N1: Marashu. Didn't work.
N2: Nothing
N3: Used Mask (Ascetic+BP)

N1 fail is most interesting here.

Name: Pink Ball
Perish: Eliminated Day 7
Flavor: The Dream Kid
Role: Kidnapper
Actions:
N1: Kokichi
N2: PenguinPower
N3: Alisae, kills PenguinPower
N4: No Action
N5: Flea, kills Alisae

I dunno. I bet if Pink was redirected at Flea, then just plainly tells it.

Kokichi Oma - Killed Night 7 - Kokichi Oma (Strengthener)
N1: Unknown
N7: Unknown

Interesting things:
Wave never got legit results of Flavor. Every time he checked someone, it was either already claimed (me) or CLAIM OR DIE.
LLD is for some reason catgirl
Basically all actions is meh.


Then i thinked about redirection more.
Flea gived mask to player who was dying N2. BUT was redirected on Waveleght. After consideration i builded my theory.


Redirection didn't exist, but Flea is also town. This paradox is possible, because mask was planned for dying player. If Flea is mafia, he have no incentive to give anything to dying player when he can build alibi for self with living ones.

Wave didn't claim mask on massclaim, but mentioned when Flea claimed he suddenly "oh hi i actually received it" and insisted on redirector.
This theory is only one which makes sense without holes.
Also i genuine don't care anymore so can we just end.


Therefore, i, as judge, declare Waveleight GUILTY. Appeal never.

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Post Post #2556 (isolation #134) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:36 am

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Oh boy i hope wave doesh't just flip town otherwise i will look awkward lol
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Post Post #2557 (isolation #135) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:40 am

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Also i misgendered flea sorry for that i was hot
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Post Post #2564 (isolation #136) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:08 am

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I would vote you anyway, because my point about Flea giving mask to dying player remained unchallenged.
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Post Post #2565 (isolation #137) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:08 am

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Also you would't use objection meme.
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Post Post #2566 (isolation #138) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:11 am

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Also: I actually worked out theory that you redirected Flea on self.

I deemed it unplausable because mafia generally wants to avoid that due risk being guiltied or killed by vig/SK. So i went with this.
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Post Post #2569 (isolation #139) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:20 am

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Well i was right for wrong reason but still right.

Now let's wait for dead thread to barge how they always knew pink ball is not survivor.
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Post Post #2574 (isolation #140) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:25 am

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I got confused by wincon. Idk.
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Post Post #2577 (isolation #141) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:32 am

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I decided to not argue and went for listmod with ask to review setup.

Then message happened. So... Oh well. Idk?
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Post Post #2585 (isolation #142) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:58 am

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Don't make 50% wincons because they are not really checking for Vigilante+Doctor combo which can save town from already achived mafia parity. There's like little reason to do so.
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Post Post #2588 (isolation #143) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:03 am

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It can be messed up if there's survivors or jester which generally mafia don't need to kill.

"Kill all threats" is way to go.
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Post Post #2603 (isolation #144) » Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:39 am

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In post 2601, Wavelength wrote: @Pinkball

There was a moment where I considered giving you the win. When Enchant said this:
In post 2375, Enchant wrote:
In post 2371, Wavelength wrote: But if you think that there is even a 1% chance that I am town
hahahaha

no
I was like... oh.

Even if I win the Pinkball 1v1, I probably lose the flea 1v1 tomorrow.

And I would rather Pinkball win then the town this game lmao.
I think final nail in coffin was fact that Flea targeted Alisae with mask N1 while SOMEONE rolestopped Marashi. I decided that it's too cordinated to roleblock both.

It actually went me to investigate redirection.
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Post Post #2636 (isolation #145) » Sat Apr 01, 2023 9:42 am

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Nah just vote out Flea.

Then shot Pink Ball when he eats you.

Baam. You eaten and free instantly.
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