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Post Post #13 (isolation #0) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:25 am

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Post Post #14 (isolation #1) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:25 am

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Post Post #28 (isolation #2) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:04 am

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In post 24, Doctor Drew wrote: I know this is wacky, even more wacky than a Korina game normally is, because they didn't make me CL.
CL?
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Post Post #29 (isolation #3) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:04 am

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In post 28, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 24, Doctor Drew wrote: I know this is wacky, even more wacky than a Korina game normally is, because they didn't make me CL.
CL?
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Post Post #30 (isolation #4) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:04 am

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In post 26, TemporalLich wrote: the aether is ever present
The infinite expanse of the aether's abyss
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Post Post #46 (isolation #5) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 1:50 pm

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In post 39, TemporalLich wrote: eh... I'd say the openings of Gimli and Doctor Drew are a little bad but that's not really alignment indicative to me
Why they slightly bad?
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Post Post #52 (isolation #6) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:05 pm

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In post 50, TemporalLich wrote: Gimli's "im town" opening feels LAMIST
LAMIST? Lemme get acronyms
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Post Post #53 (isolation #7) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:05 pm

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In post 52, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 50, TemporalLich wrote: Gimli's "im town" opening feels LAMIST
LAMIST? Lemme get acronyms
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Post Post #77 (isolation #8) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:58 pm

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In post 71, Botanical Rat wrote:
In post 70, Empathice wrote: I'm really not sure what the point of voting people to run the nightmare really is. Shouldn't we decide who gets the invention and "force" the people in the nightmare to give that person the invention? Following with this thought shouldn't we also decide how these inventions should be used?
In an ideal world, you'd be right.

However, in my experience trying to wrangle enough people to agree on this many things within a single day's deadline is an exercise in futility. Either someone not paying attention mucks it up, or we spend too much time squabbling and scramble things at deadline.

We do definitely want the Nightmare to be Town though, so I'd say just vote your townreads for now.
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Post Post #78 (isolation #9) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 5:00 pm

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In post 76, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 72, Doctor Drew wrote:But what about Rat is coming off townie? This is directed to TL and Emp.
Merely just general vibes from reading the ISO.

though is a good post as well, letting scum into the nightmare might cause problems (especially later in the game) though good solving is still my main metric for nightmare votes as of now.
Rat/Empath feel like good solvers to me, Rat feels like a solver in IS0, Empath was a solver in the last game I played with him
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Post Post #79 (isolation #10) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 5:01 pm

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In post 76, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 72, Doctor Drew wrote:But what about Rat is coming off townie? This is directed to TL and Emp.
Merely just general vibes from reading the ISO.

though is a good post as well, letting scum into the nightmare might cause problems (especially later in the game) though good solving is still my main metric for nightmare votes as of now.
I feel the same with reading Rat as town as IS0, I'm with you in this read
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Post Post #85 (isolation #11) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 5:54 pm

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In post 84, Empathice wrote:
In post 77, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 71, Botanical Rat wrote:
In post 70, Empathice wrote: I'm really not sure what the point of voting people to run the nightmare really is. Shouldn't we decide who gets the invention and "force" the people in the nightmare to give that person the invention? Following with this thought shouldn't we also decide how these inventions should be used?
In an ideal world, you'd be right.

However, in my experience trying to wrangle enough people to agree on this many things within a single day's deadline is an exercise in futility. Either someone not paying attention mucks it up, or we spend too much time squabbling and scramble things at deadline.

We do definitely want the Nightmare to be Town though, so I'd say just vote your townreads for now.
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Post Post #86 (isolation #12) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 5:57 pm

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In post 80, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
and of course, cause I'm a masochist:

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In post 82, Enchant wrote: HURT: Enchant

Mmm power
We have a masochist + a powerseeker, this is gonna be fun
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Post Post #87 (isolation #13) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 5:59 pm

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In post 86, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 80, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
and of course, cause I'm a masochist:

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In post 82, Enchant wrote: HURT: Enchant

Mmm power
We have a masochist + a powerseeker, this is gonna be fun
Idk what I make of voting yourselves into a power-role... probably NAI, maybe wanting to explore into the Nightmare
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Post Post #89 (isolation #14) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:02 pm

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In post 88, Enchant wrote: Why wouldn't you vote self in nightmare?
I don't trust myself with that kind of power, I thought we doing top 2 townreads, though it makes sense to vote yourself as your top townread... I didn't know you could vote yourself into the Nightmare, thought it had to be someone else
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Post Post #99 (isolation #15) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:13 pm

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In post 91, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
In post 89, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 88, Enchant wrote: Why wouldn't you vote self in nightmare?
I don't trust myself with that kind of power, I thought we doing top 2 townreads, though it makes sense to vote yourself as your top townread... I didn't know you could vote yourself into the Nightmare, thought it had to be someone else
Why you don't trust yourself with that kind of power?

it's just about choosing who to receive an invention, or is there more to it that we don't know?
New mechanics scare me, but intrigue me, I'm not used to them, I feel I didn't fully get the invention power, do we create a role in the Nightmare and give it to someone?
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Post Post #103 (isolation #16) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:21 pm

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In post 101, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: the 7 we choose will choose someone amongst themselves and vote for an invention type (what skill they wanna give) probably and they will receive 1 shot of it

That's what I understood

even though I wouldn't put it beyond design that scum has some mechanics related to the nightmares - cause of the name and theme of the game mainly and cause event sabotage is a thing I would definitely add if I was designing this kind of setup. So we have to consider the possibility of that hidden stuff that might happen - maybe if a scum gets in?
We will need to keep scum out of the Nightmare to avoid the possibility of anything bad happening, which is why we only should vote in who we believe is town
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Post Post #104 (isolation #17) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:21 pm

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In post 102, Enchant wrote: You should put me in, otherwise these idiots will try to use vig.
Do you feel vig is a negative utility role?
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Post Post #108 (isolation #18) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:25 pm

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In post 105, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: obviously

so that goes back to the question why wouldn't you want yourself to be in there? If you're town, to your perspective you're the only one who you know that is a town
I didn't know self-voting was allowed
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Post Post #118 (isolation #19) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:42 pm

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In post 105, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
so that goes back to the question why wouldn't you want yourself to be in there? If you're town, to your perspective you're the only one who you know that is a town
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Post Post #131 (isolation #20) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:32 pm

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In post 120, TemporalLich wrote: okay Enchant is acting scummy, 97 feels OMGUSy and 102 is just trying way too hard to get into the nightmare at the expense of other players
These = nai to me, I don't see these votes as scummy, also get into the nightmare at the expanse of other players? Enchant is barely being voted into the nightmare? I'm in confusion with what this even means...
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Post Post #132 (isolation #21) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:32 pm

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In post 131, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 120, TemporalLich wrote: okay Enchant is acting scummy, 97 feels OMGUSy and 102 is just trying way too hard to get into the nightmare at the expense of other players
These = nai to me, I don't see these votes as scummy, also get into the nightmare at the expanse of other players? Enchant is barely being voted into the nightmare? I'm in confusion with what this even means...
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Post Post #133 (isolation #22) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 7:33 pm

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In post 129, Empathice wrote: Which means you thought the possibility of it being a RVS vote was enough to warrant mention. AKA you said it could be a RVS vote.

VOTE: Enchant
I feel this is such an inconsequential thing to vote Enchant in on...
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Post Post #145 (isolation #23) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:05 pm

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In post 134, TemporalLich wrote: I think Enchant could be scum trying to control the nightmare mechanic
Anyone can be scum trying to control the nightmare mechanic, this is not exclusive to Enchant
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Post Post #147 (isolation #24) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:05 pm

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In post 144, Empathice wrote: I Don't think inventions being awarded to scum is something you should be worried about as they will be known to have said invention and will be held accountable for it's use. You should still be worried that they may try to choose players to get the invention who will use it in a way that benefits them however.

92 looks pockety to me but it's certainly not a strong read.
I need to see 92 [
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Post Post #149 (isolation #25) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:08 pm

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In post 146, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: Need to note that FN in this way its setup assuming we give it to player A and they say they use it on player B will mean:

If A is town B is town (or they get a guilty assuming no interfere)

If A is not town then they received no skill in the first place to use so we have no info on B besides a wifom

Its actually too conditional so I'm not entirely sure if its best play. We still have till night phase to think about these inventions though
FN might not be the best play then... how much should we theorize about Nightmare giving? Should we wait until Nightmare to discuss this in depth/do it in the day?
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Post Post #150 (isolation #26) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:08 pm

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In post 148, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
In post 144, Empathice wrote: I Don't think inventions being awarded to scum is something you should be worried about as they will be known to have said invention and will be held accountable for it's use. You should still be worried that they may try to choose players to get the invention who will use it in a way that benefits them however.

92 looks pockety to me but it's certainly not a strong read.
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Post Post #151 (isolation #27) » Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:09 pm

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In post 139, Empathice wrote: Enchant changing the story on their vote or Kyoko pocketing Eater?
Do you not think both is possible at once, why these mutually exclusive?
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Post Post #236 (isolation #28) » Thu Mar 09, 2023 4:22 am

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In post 234, Save The Dragons wrote: enchant having wim/not trolling/doing mech spec is probably town enchant
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Post Post #242 (isolation #29) » Thu Mar 09, 2023 5:04 am

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In post 239, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: Am I the only one who is not actually town reading gimli.

I think him going after TL was not fine I think still and he is not doing much rn but talking about how many town reads he has

Like I just want to know why is everyone town reading him
I'm not hurting Gimli so I feel that indicates I'm at least nai on him
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Post Post #253 (isolation #30) » Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:57 am

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In post 250, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 248, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 234, Save The Dragons wrote: enchant having wim/not trolling/doing mech spec is probably town enchant
Not always, he did mech spec in the scum chat in Mutiny.
Uh...that's way different
What makes it way different?
(I wasn't in Mutiny so Idek)
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Post Post #304 (isolation #31) » Thu Mar 09, 2023 2:32 pm

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In post 298, TemporalLich wrote: KawaiiKame does have towny vibes but I did an ISO skim on them and they have some reads but I don't see any scumreads from KawaiiKame. 242 feels more likely genuine than not.

pedit: good reasoning, though DragonEater's waffling discredits his solvey vibes and I indeed do like Gimli's vibe and posts

I can definitely see KawaiiKame being scum, but I still have a low confidence townread there (the scumminess comes from a concerning lack of scumreads)
It takes me a long ass time to scumread anyone, I have to have strong conviction to scumread someone initially and no one I know is explicitly scum to me as of now, I'm open to any and all possibilities but I feel it's best to see who I see as town and see who's left, I'm usually not confident in any/most of my reads, so many people makes it hard to know who is scum especially with everyone acting vaguely townie in my eyes, I will have to deeply analyze the game and see what I find
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Post Post #305 (isolation #32) » Thu Mar 09, 2023 2:34 pm

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In post 288, Ranger wrote: {Save The Dragons, Doctor Drew, Botanical Rat, Empathice}
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{KawaiiKame, Enchant, Gimli}

P6.
How do you get reads of everyone page by page? This is genuinely impressive, I hope to be this skilled in time
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Post Post #307 (isolation #33) » Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:07 pm

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In post 304, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 298, TemporalLich wrote: KawaiiKame does have towny vibes but I did an ISO skim on them and they have some reads but I don't see any scumreads from KawaiiKame. 242 feels more likely genuine than not.

pedit: good reasoning, though DragonEater's waffling discredits his solvey vibes and I indeed do like Gimli's vibe and posts

I can definitely see KawaiiKame being scum, but I still have a low confidence townread there (the scumminess comes from a concerning lack of scumreads)
It takes me a long ass time to scumread anyone, I have to have strong conviction to scumread someone initially and no one I know is explicitly scum to me as of now, I'm open to any and all possibilities but I feel it's best to see who I see as town and see who's left, I'm usually not confident in any/most of my reads, so many people makes it hard to know who is scum especially with everyone acting vaguely townie in my eyes, I will have to deeply analyze the game and see what I find
I'm town reading Rat, Empath, Enchant, Ranger, Save The Dragons, Temporal Lich
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Tweet is below this line, I like how observant/solving she is in spite of only 3 posts, willing to trade in someone above with Tweet
Kyoko is below this line, I'm willing to trade someone out of the above line if I continue to like what she says in challenging people
Tweet/Kyoko exist in the same line interchangeably to be next in line in who I hurt vote into the Nightmare
9/17 town, let's see the 8/17 in P2
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Post Post #309 (isolation #34) » Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:29 pm

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In post 308, Doctor Drew wrote: I tend to read people the best when just coming off another game with them, and like you Kawaii, even though she hasn't posted much I really like Morning Tweet's last post, I feel confident she is town.
That gives me confidence in my Tweet read, finished a game with Empath so Ik he's good at solving when pursuing a specific line of reasoning systematically
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Post Post #311 (isolation #35) » Thu Mar 09, 2023 3:49 pm

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In post 310, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 309, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 308, Doctor Drew wrote: I tend to read people the best when just coming off another game with them, and like you Kawaii, even though she hasn't posted much I really like Morning Tweet's last post, I feel confident she is town.
That gives me confidence in my Tweet read, finished a game with Empath so Ik he's good at solving when pursuing a specific line of reasoning systematically
Is he somewhat displaying that same behavior here?

Sorry, lost to catch up on lol.
Yes, not exactly the same way but close to the same mindset, no hard pursuing as of yet tho
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Post Post #319 (isolation #36) » Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:04 pm

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In post 315, Ranger wrote:
In post 305, KawaiiKame wrote:How do you get reads of everyone page by page? This is genuinely impressive, I hope to be this skilled in time
I've been playing games of werewolf since 2009. I've never stopped. That's 14 years of experience. Most of those were blitzes, too. And EpicMafia. Developing reads quickly was a must. I've slowed down in my old age. :P

Big help: intellectual honesty. Let people move for any reason.
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reason. A single good post up. A single bad post down. Out of sight out of mind move down. Sucks to let go of correct reads, sucks to change to wrong reads, but the honesty is worth it.

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{imaginality, KawaiiKame}
{Gimli}
{Enchant}

I realize I've too few scumreads. Hopefully will solidify these later. I did like Kawaii this page.
Kyoko has gone up to me in being town with the pursuit of Gimli

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Decided to switch out with Enchant, seems to me this is Enchant's town play tho with the meta reads
I'm guessing Tweet is placed 6 since she only has 3 posts, why is Enchant so low to you?
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Post Post #320 (isolation #37) » Thu Mar 09, 2023 6:06 pm

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In post 315, Ranger wrote: Big help: intellectual honesty. Let people move for any reason. Any reason. A single good post up. A single bad post down. Out of sight out of mind move down
Being fluid like this is optimal, being adaptable/flowing like water since the game is always changing, this big help makes so much sense to me, thank you
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Post Post #502 (isolation #38) » Sun Mar 12, 2023 12:22 am

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@Mod V/LA today 3/12
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Post Post #827 (isolation #39) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:08 pm

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Sad Kyoko died...
Intending to engage with her when finally having the time to be in this game then the hammer came down on Ranger wtf was that hammer? Was hoping to engage with Kyoko today but she died in the night...
Top town is down to Rat/MT with Ranger and Kyoko dying,
In post 776, imaginality wrote: From the rules:

There is at least one guaranteed moderator lie present in this game. Your role, alignment, and any abilities you possess will always be truthful. I will never lie to you about what you can do, or who you win with, or if you know anyone else is aligned with you. Anything else in the game could be lied about. The exact things I will lie about have been determined in the review.

@mod: would saying "Last night, I saw in a dream that Save the Dragons could kill another player" be a possible moderator lie or would it fail the "I will never lie to you about what you can do" condition given Save the Dragons is one of the players reading your post?
^ This feels solving town to me

TL is uncc'd cop so being town is a given
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Post Post #828 (isolation #40) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:08 pm

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In post 825, Botanical Rat wrote: I'm here, I'm playing. It's been all me so far today
What do you think of the game in this state?
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Post Post #835 (isolation #41) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:49 pm

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In post 824, Gimli wrote: I think kyoko died because scum was in the hood
The hood?
Is the nightmare the hood?
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Post Post #836 (isolation #42) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:50 pm

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In post 834, imaginality wrote:
In post 827, KawaiiKame wrote: TL is uncc'd cop so being town is a given
I don't think we should be so quick to assume that. Though it certainly keeps Lich out of the lim pool today.
I mean yeah the chance exists that Lich is lying but is town in my eyes as of now
Who do you want to lim outside of STD?
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Post Post #839 (isolation #43) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:21 pm

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In post 837, imaginality wrote: I need to reread the two Es (Enchant, Empathice), I've seen some people suspicious of one or the other but they've blurred together a bit in my mind. I do remember wondering about possible associatives between you and Enchant and TemporalLich but you at least seem towny to me today so I was probably wrong about that
Enchant is dead, died in the night w/ Kyoko, you want Empath
Idk about Gimli suddenly pushing Morning Tweet, maybe it's paranoia? If Gimli genuinely fears MT then this makes sense, anything outside of it doesn't to me. Idk what hood means but I assume it's the nightmare, the shift is notable tho
You scumread me yesterday since I was being self-conscious, that's how I am sometimes, fear of failing
I'm down with eliminating Clone, open intent to be inactive, feel meg ghosted but that's usually to things beyond someone's control, so Clone > Meg if I had to choose between the 2
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Post Post #840 (isolation #44) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:22 pm

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In post 717, Doctor Drew wrote: I fear this game has a some people who are doing a good job 'acting' like they are solving.

And others falling for it.
What did you mean by this? Who is acting like they solving?
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Post Post #842 (isolation #45) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:30 pm

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In post 841, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 840, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 717, Doctor Drew wrote: I fear this game has a some people who are doing a good job 'acting' like they are solving.

And others falling for it.
What did you mean by this? Who is acting like they solving?
More a general statement. People will superficially look at post and say 'It looks like they are solving, they are town', without looking at the meat and potatoes of said post.

And conversely, if someone is more working off vibe and not posting these analytical posts they 'aren't solving at all, they are scum'

Just don't like that mindset that sometimes takes over a game.
Ye I fail to see why going off vibes/emotions is inherently a bad thing in an emotional/social game
I appreciate deep analysis, I do, but a hands off game shouldn't be looked down upon I feel
Admittedly when I see someone solving I see them to be town automatically
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Post Post #843 (isolation #46) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:31 pm

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In post 832, Save The Dragons wrote: I wanted to warn people of the lie so I outed myself as not a killing role
You wanted to warn people of the mod lie? How did you know it was going to happen?
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Post Post #844 (isolation #47) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:34 pm

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In post 841, Doctor Drew wrote: More a general statement
Idk if I like this, feels like you don't want to antagonize anyone unless you genuinely have no one to go against specifically, only the prevailing belief, sounds like a set up to go against specific users initially though, I do like what you say tho
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Post Post #848 (isolation #48) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:38 pm

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In post 830, Botanical Rat wrote:
In post 828, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 825, Botanical Rat wrote: I'm here, I'm playing. It's been all me so far today
What do you think of the game in this state?
I think StD is highly likely a mislim, and the quick votes on him looked really bad.

If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say this whole "saw in a dream" bit is going to happen every night and that some will be true and some false, with that being the guaranteed lies present in the setup, but that's pure speculation for now.
It's highly likely the "saw in a dream" is going to be a nightly thing, Korina indicated that the post of STD killing might be a lie, I don't blame people with being blood lusty with how the day/night ended, a possible mislim exists tho
I meant to post this b4 but failed to submit, if I double post that I didn't see that's why
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Post Post #850 (isolation #49) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:41 pm

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In post 764, Save The Dragons wrote: I don't have a kill.
I believe you
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Post Post #851 (isolation #50) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:43 pm

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In post 849, Botanical Rat wrote:
In post 841, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 840, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 717, Doctor Drew wrote: I fear this game has a some people who are doing a good job 'acting' like they are solving.

And others falling for it.
What did you mean by this? Who is acting like they solving?
More a general statement. People will superficially look at post and say 'It looks like they are solving, they are town', without looking at the meat and potatoes of said post.

And conversely, if someone is more working off vibe and not posting these analytical posts they 'aren't solving at all, they are scum'

Just don't like that mindset that sometimes takes over a game.
It's really odd that you don't have any feelings at all about who's doing this. Was this thought not sparked by seeing someone with rotten meat and potatoes?
I'm in confusion with this too, the implication is yes, but explicitly it's no, something unspoken is being said...
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Post Post #853 (isolation #51) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:45 pm

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In post 852, Porkens wrote:
In post 850, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 764, Save The Dragons wrote: I don't have a kill.
I believe you
Why?
Why don't you?
It's possible the mod is lying is why
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Post Post #861 (isolation #52) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:55 pm

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In post 856, Botanical Rat wrote: Let's say StD is scum here.
He has two options when that announcement gets made. He can either attempt to CC the mod and slog through what's happening now. Or he can just admit to being able to kill.

In a wacky role madness setup, just claiming a killing ability makes way more sense to me. Not that scum COULDN'T do what StD is, but it's not scum-indicative at all either. And the reaction has been incredibly disingenuous for a game with known mod lies in it.
Yee flat out saying he doesn't have a killing ability feels town
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Post Post #862 (isolation #53) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:56 pm

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In post 859, Porkens wrote:
In post 853, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 852, Porkens wrote:
In post 850, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 764, Save The Dragons wrote: I don't have a kill.
I believe you
Why?
Why don't you?
It's possible the mod is lying is why
I don't see why the mod would lie about that. I don't believe they are honestly trying to "expose the mods lie".
But the mod could, self-admittedly, it doesn't implicate STD
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Post Post #863 (isolation #54) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:59 pm

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In post 857, Empathice wrote:
In post 783, Gimli wrote: BTW IM IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MORNING TWEET AND IM SCARED
Why would you be scared of a neighborhood..?
I have the same question, specifically why this deep fear of being in a hood with MT?
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Post Post #873 (isolation #55) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:18 pm

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In post 871, TemporalLich wrote: I was trying to articulate my reasons, I tend to play based on intuition...
I feel the same way, playing based on emotion...
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Post Post #874 (isolation #56) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:19 pm

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In post 872, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 851, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 849, Botanical Rat wrote:
In post 841, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 840, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 717, Doctor Drew wrote: I fear this game has a some people who are doing a good job 'acting' like they are solving.

And others falling for it.
What did you mean by this? Who is acting like they solving?
More a general statement. People will superficially look at post and say 'It looks like they are solving, they are town', without looking at the meat and potatoes of said post.

And conversely, if someone is more working off vibe and not posting these analytical posts they 'aren't solving at all, they are scum'

Just don't like that mindset that sometimes takes over a game.
It's really odd that you don't have any feelings at all about who's doing this. Was this thought not sparked by seeing someone with rotten meat and potatoes?
I'm in confusion with this too, the implication is yes, but explicitly it's no, something unspoken is being said...
There isn't anything deeper, just a general commentary on how people fall for 'solvey' posts as always coming from town.

And I am about to head to bed, but I believe it was at a point where I was thinking of replacing out because of frustration of the reliance on that thinking and scum reading people for not 'appearing' to be analytical.
Hope you sleep on it, night
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Post Post #875 (isolation #57) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:19 pm

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Holy Wall
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Post Post #877 (isolation #58) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:21 pm

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In post 845, Botanical Rat wrote:
In post 831, Gimli wrote: I mean why is std highly likely a mislim? that seems like a strong townread no?
Same deal as Mutiny I guess. It's a bad push for bad reasons and I don't like it.
I feel you
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Post Post #878 (isolation #59) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:22 pm

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In post 876, Empathice wrote: Isn't it ideal to vig Clone and eliminate someone moderately active?
Good point, I feel it is
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Post Post #879 (isolation #60) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:24 pm

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In post 876, Empathice wrote: Isn't it ideal to vig Clone and eliminate someone moderately active?
Who would you eliminate at this point?
At this point Idk who I'd eliminate
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Post Post #882 (isolation #61) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:36 pm

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In post 880, TemporalLich wrote: I'd have to vote MegAzumarill (very good at looking towny superficially)
She is? I played with town Meg in Death Note, she played semi elusive but town, is this what you mean by towny superficially?
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Post Post #938 (isolation #62) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:38 am

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In post 900, DragonEater70 wrote:

In post 827, KawaiiKame wrote:
In post 776, imaginality wrote:
Spoiler:
From the rules:

There is at least one guaranteed moderator lie present in this game. Your role, alignment, and any abilities you possess will always be truthful. I will never lie to you about what you can do, or who you win with, or if you know anyone else is aligned with you. Anything else in the game could be lied about. The exact things I will lie about have been determined in the review.

@mod: would saying "Last night, I saw in a dream that Save the Dragons could kill another player" be a possible moderator lie or would it fail the "I will never lie to you about what you can do" condition given Save the Dragons is one of the players reading your post?
^ This feels solving town to me
What??? How is that post tangentially related to solving?
SOLVING means "making an effort to find out who is town and who is scum", in other words "working to achieve a clear picture of everyone's role and alignment, thus SOLVING the game".
This post is not solving, it's at best asking a mechanical question and at worst an unwarranted defense of Fenrir (StD).
Imaginality is insightful, seeing std's pov into the equation, if it is a lie then std does not have a killing role, if it is the truth then std does have a killing role, since the mod said it could be a lie std may/may not have a killing role, the question is solving since we'd know std's role type depending on the answer given, Imaginality's mind is solving
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Post Post #940 (isolation #63) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:01 am

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In post 934, DragonEater70 wrote: @Kawaii, random question but what do you think about Empath? And why about Porkens?
Empath feels evasive, Empath felt engaged in the last game, the Kyoko post doesn't look good in my eyes,
In post 526, Empathice wrote: Town:
-Kyoko (genuine sounding curiousity)
-Imaginality (good solving and aggressive even if they're wrong)
-Morning Tweet (logic feels pure)
^This looks good in my eyes, with Kyoko's curiosity, Imaginality's solving, MT's logically

Porkens feels erratic, going all out aggressive against the leading consensus town reads intially, subsiding in aggression D2, claiming to have a gun, only to unclaim the gun
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Post Post #942 (isolation #64) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:21 am

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In post 899, Morning Tweet wrote: We should probably get Clone while we have him right where we want him
VOTE: Clone
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Post Post #946 (isolation #65) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:30 am

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In post 943, DragonEater70 wrote: Do you agree with Gimli that Fenrir is giving off Kira energy?
Fenrir is Kira-esque in posting, with one exception,
willingness to die
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In post 767, Save The Dragons wrote: My role makes it okay if I die
In the Death Note game STD kept asking, "Am I?" in an attempt to dissuade people in him being Kira, claiming Follower to look to Kira, when he was Kira, in this game he accepts death instead of pushing the blame to someone else, without this it would be a Kira-esque game, but with this it's not in my eyes
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Post Post #947 (isolation #66) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:30 am

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In post 945, Save The Dragons wrote: this certainly sucked my wim
wim?
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Post Post #949 (isolation #67) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:41 am

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In post 948, Save The Dragons wrote: Wants It More, it means motivation to play
I feel you, I see why the mod saying you have a killing role when you don't in your pov is motivation killing
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Post Post #962 (isolation #68) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:01 am

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In post 954, Save The Dragons wrote: i listed why it would be strategic for me to die, not that i want to die
aka Fenrir
You seeing the strategic value in your death shows you willing to die, willing is distinct to wanting
pedit: This feels genuinely town being upset
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Post Post #963 (isolation #69) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:03 am

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In post 959, Save The Dragons wrote: it's also possible kyoko was shot because she was in the nightmare to cause paranoia
It's possible, do you feel at least one scum is within the nightmare/0 scum is within the nightmare NI?
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Post Post #965 (isolation #70) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:12 am

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Post Post #967 (isolation #71) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:32 am

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In post 966, Save The Dragons wrote: i think the kyoko kill is a little weird coming from no scum in the hood so i think it more likely scum was in the hood but i don't want to rule out the possibility that it was clean and scum just shot at random inside the hood
Who was in the hood?
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Post Post #971 (isolation #72) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:09 am

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In post 970, TemporalLich wrote: is indeed a strange post especially given that Kyoko flipped town
Keep in mind Empath's mind changed in Kyoko is Empath's top town
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Post Post #972 (isolation #73) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:12 am

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In post 968, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 749, Korina wrote:
I will add your Nightmare Runners of: Morning Tweet, TemporalLich, DragonEater70, Kyoko Kirigiri, Gimli, Botanical Rat, and Save The Dragons to the PT before resolving the rest of the flip.
@Kawaii
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Post Post #974 (isolation #74) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:19 am

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In post 973, TemporalLich wrote: oh okay... still a strange post imo

not really seeing the read progression either but I don't think that read progression would be unreasonable given Kyoko's posts
I town read Kyoko initially which only became stronger with time, Idk why Empath changed his thinking but that's likely why
Why do you feel Empath is scummy? I felt Empath felt scummy last game I was with him in
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Post Post #977 (isolation #75) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:29 am

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In post 975, TemporalLich wrote:
In post 974, KawaiiKame wrote:I town read Kyoko initially which only became stronger with time, Idk why Empath changed his thinking but that's likely why
Why do you feel Empath is scummy? I felt Empath felt scummy last game I was with him in
I was not really able to sort Empathice, and with DragonEater70's scumcase I now feel Empathice is scummy.

I don't really see a town mindset tbh...
What is a town mindset to you? Who you seeing a town mindset with?
To me a town mindset is someone who is actively solving, someone who pursues the truth following logic/emotion
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Post Post #978 (isolation #76) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:30 am

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In post 976, Empathice wrote:
In post 970, TemporalLich wrote: I actually agree with... and yeah Empathice is more likely scum than not... and yeah is indeed a strange post especially given that Kyoko flipped town

just doesn't feel like a town mindset post to me...

VOTE: Empathice
This is you OMGUSing
again
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TL is? When did you vote/sr TL?
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Post Post #1010 (isolation #77) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:52 am

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Post Post #1012 (isolation #78) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:14 am

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Clone was debating between saying something/being quiet, deciding to be quiet
That was his only participation
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Post Post #1027 (isolation #79) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 4:59 am

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@Enchant If only you had a killing role
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Post Post #1029 (isolation #80) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:04 am

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@Korina: I feel genuinely bad, this game is genius conceptually, who knows if someone would notice the PT leak down the line since Empath was being built up to being eliminated, sad it ended this way... MT's role should definitely be in the successor game, even if it's a spiritual one, thought of nking MT N2 with how town she seemed, wanted to see if I could solo the game to the end, c'est la vie
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Post Post #1030 (isolation #81) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:05 am

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I felt TL was town but I see why that's surprising
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Post Post #1031 (isolation #82) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 5:05 am

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In post 1026, Gimli wrote: I softed a bunch of fake shit cause I wanted to get in the hood and get the vig and shoot mafia

I was just a bodyguard lol
We thought you a PG0 Gimli
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Post Post #1071 (isolation #83) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:20 am

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In post 1061, DragonEater70 wrote:
In post 1029, KawaiiKame wrote: @Korina: I feel genuinely bad, this game is genius conceptually, who knows if someone would notice the PT leak down the line since Empath was being built up to being eliminated, sad it ended this way... MT's role should definitely be in the successor game, even if it's a spiritual one, thought of nking MT N2 with how town she seemed, wanted to see if I could solo the game to the end, c'est la vie
Honestly there was a possibility you could solo the game. I was seriously considering giving you the doc on the N2 nightmare, haha.
Yee I wanted to solo
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