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CL?In post 24, Doctor Drew wrote: I know this is wacky, even more wacky than a Korina game normally is, because they didn't make me CL.- KawaiiKame
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Cult Leader, got it with recruitIn post 28, KawaiiKame wrote:
CL?In post 24, Doctor Drew wrote: I know this is wacky, even more wacky than a Korina game normally is, because they didn't make me CL.- KawaiiKame
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The infinite expanse of the aether's abyssIn post 26, TemporalLich wrote: the aether is ever present- KawaiiKame
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Why they slightly bad?In post 39, TemporalLich wrote: eh... I'd say the openings of Gimli and Doctor Drew are a little bad but that's not really alignment indicative to me- KawaiiKame
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LAMIST? Lemme get acronymsIn post 50, TemporalLich wrote: Gimli's "im town" opening feels LAMIST- KawaiiKame
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*abbreviationsIn post 52, KawaiiKame wrote:
LAMIST? Lemme get acronymsIn post 50, TemporalLich wrote: Gimli's "im town" opening feels LAMIST- KawaiiKame
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HURT: Botanical Rat, EmpathiceIn post 71, Botanical Rat wrote:
In an ideal world, you'd be right.In post 70, Empathice wrote: I'm really not sure what the point of voting people to run the nightmare really is. Shouldn't we decide who gets the invention and "force" the people in the nightmare to give that person the invention? Following with this thought shouldn't we also decide how these inventions should be used?
However, in my experience trying to wrangle enough people to agree on this many things within a single day's deadline is an exercise in futility. Either someone not paying attention mucks it up, or we spend too much time squabbling and scramble things at deadline.
We do definitely want the Nightmare to be Town though, so I'd say just vote your townreads for now.- KawaiiKame
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Rat/Empath feel like good solvers to me, Rat feels like a solver in IS0, Empath was a solver in the last game I played with himIn post 76, TemporalLich wrote:
Merely just general vibes from reading the ISO.In post 72, Doctor Drew wrote:But what about Rat is coming off townie? This is directed to TL and Emp.
though 71 is a good post as well, letting scum into the nightmare might cause problems (especially later in the game) though good solving is still my main metric for nightmare votes as of now.- KawaiiKame
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I feel the same with reading Rat as town as IS0, I'm with you in this readIn post 76, TemporalLich wrote:
Merely just general vibes from reading the ISO.In post 72, Doctor Drew wrote:But what about Rat is coming off townie? This is directed to TL and Emp.
though 71 is a good post as well, letting scum into the nightmare might cause problems (especially later in the game) though good solving is still my main metric for nightmare votes as of now.- KawaiiKame
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I amIn post 84, Empathice wrote:
Are you saying you townread Rat and me?In post 77, KawaiiKame wrote:
HURT: Botanical Rat, EmpathiceIn post 71, Botanical Rat wrote:
In an ideal world, you'd be right.In post 70, Empathice wrote: I'm really not sure what the point of voting people to run the nightmare really is. Shouldn't we decide who gets the invention and "force" the people in the nightmare to give that person the invention? Following with this thought shouldn't we also decide how these inventions should be used?
However, in my experience trying to wrangle enough people to agree on this many things within a single day's deadline is an exercise in futility. Either someone not paying attention mucks it up, or we spend too much time squabbling and scramble things at deadline.
We do definitely want the Nightmare to be Town though, so I'd say just vote your townreads for now.- KawaiiKame
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In post 80, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
and of course, cause I'm a masochist:
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Idk what I make of voting yourselves into a power-role... probably NAI, maybe wanting to explore into the NightmareIn post 86, KawaiiKame wrote:In post 80, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
and of course, cause I'm a masochist:
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I don't trust myself with that kind of power, I thought we doing top 2 townreads, though it makes sense to vote yourself as your top townread... I didn't know you could vote yourself into the Nightmare, thought it had to be someone elseIn post 88, Enchant wrote: Why wouldn't you vote self in nightmare?- KawaiiKame
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New mechanics scare me, but intrigue me, I'm not used to them, I feel I didn't fully get the invention power, do we create a role in the Nightmare and give it to someone?In post 91, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
Why you don't trust yourself with that kind of power?In post 89, KawaiiKame wrote:
I don't trust myself with that kind of power, I thought we doing top 2 townreads, though it makes sense to vote yourself as your top townread... I didn't know you could vote yourself into the Nightmare, thought it had to be someone elseIn post 88, Enchant wrote: Why wouldn't you vote self in nightmare?
it's just about choosing who to receive an invention, or is there more to it that we don't know?- KawaiiKame
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We will need to keep scum out of the Nightmare to avoid the possibility of anything bad happening, which is why we only should vote in who we believe is townIn post 101, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: the 7 we choose will choose someone amongst themselves and vote for an invention type (what skill they wanna give) probably and they will receive 1 shot of it
That's what I understood
even though I wouldn't put it beyond design that scum has some mechanics related to the nightmares - cause of the name and theme of the game mainly and cause event sabotage is a thing I would definitely add if I was designing this kind of setup. So we have to consider the possibility of that hidden stuff that might happen - maybe if a scum gets in?- KawaiiKame
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Do you feel vig is a negative utility role?In post 102, Enchant wrote: You should put me in, otherwise these idiots will try to use vig.- KawaiiKame
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I didn't know self-voting was allowedIn post 105, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: obviously
so that goes back to the question why wouldn't you want yourself to be in there? If you're town, to your perspective you're the only one who you know that is a town- KawaiiKame
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HURT: Rat, Empath, KawaiiKameIn post 105, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
so that goes back to the question why wouldn't you want yourself to be in there? If you're town, to your perspective you're the only one who you know that is a town- KawaiiKame
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These = nai to me, I don't see these votes as scummy, also get into the nightmare at the expanse of other players? Enchant is barely being voted into the nightmare? I'm in confusion with what this even means...In post 120, TemporalLich wrote: okay Enchant is acting scummy, 97 feels OMGUSy and 102 is just trying way too hard to get into the nightmare at the expense of other players- KawaiiKame
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*expenseIn post 131, KawaiiKame wrote:
These = nai to me, I don't see these votes as scummy, also get into the nightmare at the expanse of other players? Enchant is barely being voted into the nightmare? I'm in confusion with what this even means...In post 120, TemporalLich wrote: okay Enchant is acting scummy, 97 feels OMGUSy and 102 is just trying way too hard to get into the nightmare at the expense of other players- KawaiiKame
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I feel this is such an inconsequential thing to vote Enchant in on...In post 129, Empathice wrote: Which means you thought the possibility of it being a RVS vote was enough to warrant mention. AKA you said it could be a RVS vote.
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Anyone can be scum trying to control the nightmare mechanic, this is not exclusive to EnchantIn post 134, TemporalLich wrote: I think Enchant could be scum trying to control the nightmare mechanic- KawaiiKame
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I need to see 92 [In post 144, Empathice wrote: I Don't think inventions being awarded to scum is something you should be worried about as they will be known to have said invention and will be held accountable for it's use. You should still be worried that they may try to choose players to get the invention who will use it in a way that benefits them however.
92 looks pockety to me but it's certainly not a strong read.- KawaiiKame
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FN might not be the best play then... how much should we theorize about Nightmare giving? Should we wait until Nightmare to discuss this in depth/do it in the day?In post 146, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: Need to note that FN in this way its setup assuming we give it to player A and they say they use it on player B will mean:
If A is town B is town (or they get a guilty assuming no interfere)
If A is not town then they received no skill in the first place to use so we have no info on B besides a wifom
Its actually too conditional so I'm not entirely sure if its best play. We still have till night phase to think about these inventions though- KawaiiKame
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I love big deep pockets fIn post 148, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
My pocket is big enough for everyone. Don't be jelouseIn post 144, Empathice wrote: I Don't think inventions being awarded to scum is something you should be worried about as they will be known to have said invention and will be held accountable for it's use. You should still be worried that they may try to choose players to get the invention who will use it in a way that benefits them however.
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Do you not think both is possible at once, why these mutually exclusive?In post 139, Empathice wrote: Enchant changing the story on their vote or Kyoko pocketing Eater?- KawaiiKame
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HURT: Empath,Enchant,KawaiiKame,RatIn post 234, Save The Dragons wrote: enchant having wim/not trolling/doing mech spec is probably town enchant- KawaiiKame
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I'm not hurting Gimli so I feel that indicates I'm at least nai on himIn post 239, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: Am I the only one who is not actually town reading gimli.
I think him going after TL was not fine I think still and he is not doing much rn but talking about how many town reads he has
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What makes it way different?In post 250, Save The Dragons wrote:
Uh...that's way differentIn post 248, Flea The Magician wrote:
Not always, he did mech spec in the scum chat in Mutiny.In post 234, Save The Dragons wrote: enchant having wim/not trolling/doing mech spec is probably town enchant
(I wasn't in Mutiny so Idek)- KawaiiKame
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It takes me a long ass time to scumread anyone, I have to have strong conviction to scumread someone initially and no one I know is explicitly scum to me as of now, I'm open to any and all possibilities but I feel it's best to see who I see as town and see who's left, I'm usually not confident in any/most of my reads, so many people makes it hard to know who is scum especially with everyone acting vaguely townie in my eyes, I will have to deeply analyze the game and see what I findIn post 298, TemporalLich wrote: KawaiiKame does have towny vibes but I did an ISO skim on them and they have some reads but I don't see any scumreads from KawaiiKame. 242 feels more likely genuine than not.
pedit: good reasoning, though DragonEater's waffling discredits his solvey vibes and I indeed do like Gimli's vibe and posts
I can definitely see KawaiiKame being scum, but I still have a low confidence townread there (the scumminess comes from a concerning lack of scumreads)- KawaiiKame
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How do you get reads of everyone page by page? This is genuinely impressive, I hope to be this skilled in timeIn post 288, Ranger wrote: {Save The Dragons, Doctor Drew, Botanical Rat, Empathice}
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I'm town reading Rat, Empath, Enchant, Ranger, Save The Dragons, Temporal LichIn post 304, KawaiiKame wrote:
It takes me a long ass time to scumread anyone, I have to have strong conviction to scumread someone initially and no one I know is explicitly scum to me as of now, I'm open to any and all possibilities but I feel it's best to see who I see as town and see who's left, I'm usually not confident in any/most of my reads, so many people makes it hard to know who is scum especially with everyone acting vaguely townie in my eyes, I will have to deeply analyze the game and see what I findIn post 298, TemporalLich wrote: KawaiiKame does have towny vibes but I did an ISO skim on them and they have some reads but I don't see any scumreads from KawaiiKame. 242 feels more likely genuine than not.
pedit: good reasoning, though DragonEater's waffling discredits his solvey vibes and I indeed do like Gimli's vibe and posts
I can definitely see KawaiiKame being scum, but I still have a low confidence townread there (the scumminess comes from a concerning lack of scumreads)
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Tweet is below this line, I like how observant/solving she is in spite of only 3 posts, willing to trade in someone above with Tweet
Kyoko is below this line, I'm willing to trade someone out of the above line if I continue to like what she says in challenging people
Tweet/Kyoko exist in the same line interchangeably to be next in line in who I hurt vote into the Nightmare
9/17 town, let's see the 8/17 in P2- KawaiiKame
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That gives me confidence in my Tweet read, finished a game with Empath so Ik he's good at solving when pursuing a specific line of reasoning systematicallyIn post 308, Doctor Drew wrote: I tend to read people the best when just coming off another game with them, and like you Kawaii, even though she hasn't posted much I really like Morning Tweet's last post, I feel confident she is town.- KawaiiKame
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Yes, not exactly the same way but close to the same mindset, no hard pursuing as of yet thoIn post 310, Doctor Drew wrote:
Is he somewhat displaying that same behavior here?In post 309, KawaiiKame wrote:
That gives me confidence in my Tweet read, finished a game with Empath so Ik he's good at solving when pursuing a specific line of reasoning systematicallyIn post 308, Doctor Drew wrote: I tend to read people the best when just coming off another game with them, and like you Kawaii, even though she hasn't posted much I really like Morning Tweet's last post, I feel confident she is town.
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Kyoko has gone up to me in being town with the pursuit of GimliIn post 315, Ranger wrote:
I've been playing games of werewolf since 2009. I've never stopped. That's 14 years of experience. Most of those were blitzes, too. And EpicMafia. Developing reads quickly was a must. I've slowed down in my old age.In post 305, KawaiiKame wrote:How do you get reads of everyone page by page? This is genuinely impressive, I hope to be this skilled in time
Big help: intellectual honesty. Let people move for any reason.Anyreason. A single good post up. A single bad post down. Out of sight out of mind move down. Sucks to let go of correct reads, sucks to change to wrong reads, but the honesty is worth it.
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I realize I've too few scumreads. Hopefully will solidify these later. I did like Kawaii this page.
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Decided to switch out with Enchant, seems to me this is Enchant's town play tho with the meta reads
I'm guessing Tweet is placed 6 since she only has 3 posts, why is Enchant so low to you?- KawaiiKame
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Being fluid like this is optimal, being adaptable/flowing like water since the game is always changing, this big help makes so much sense to me, thank youIn post 315, Ranger wrote: Big help: intellectual honesty. Let people move for any reason. Any reason. A single good post up. A single bad post down. Out of sight out of mind move down- KawaiiKame
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Sad Kyoko died...
Intending to engage with her when finally having the time to be in this game then the hammer came down on Ranger wtf was that hammer? Was hoping to engage with Kyoko today but she died in the night...
Top town is down to Rat/MT with Ranger and Kyoko dying,
^ This feels solving town to meIn post 776, imaginality wrote: From the rules:
There is at least one guaranteed moderator lie present in this game. Your role, alignment, and any abilities you possess will always be truthful. I will never lie to you about what you can do, or who you win with, or if you know anyone else is aligned with you. Anything else in the game could be lied about. The exact things I will lie about have been determined in the review.
@mod: would saying "Last night, I saw in a dream that Save the Dragons could kill another player" be a possible moderator lie or would it fail the "I will never lie to you about what you can do" condition given Save the Dragons is one of the players reading your post?
TL is uncc'd cop so being town is a given
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What do you think of the game in this state?In post 825, Botanical Rat wrote: I'm here, I'm playing. It's been all me so far today- KawaiiKame
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The hood?In post 824, Gimli wrote: I think kyoko died because scum was in the hood
Is the nightmare the hood?- KawaiiKame
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I mean yeah the chance exists that Lich is lying but is town in my eyes as of nowIn post 834, imaginality wrote:
I don't think we should be so quick to assume that. Though it certainly keeps Lich out of the lim pool today.In post 827, KawaiiKame wrote: TL is uncc'd cop so being town is a given
Who do you want to lim outside of STD?- KawaiiKame
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Enchant is dead, died in the night w/ Kyoko, you want EmpathIn post 837, imaginality wrote: I need to reread the two Es (Enchant, Empathice), I've seen some people suspicious of one or the other but they've blurred together a bit in my mind. I do remember wondering about possible associatives between you and Enchant and TemporalLich but you at least seem towny to me today so I was probably wrong about that
Idk about Gimli suddenly pushing Morning Tweet, maybe it's paranoia? If Gimli genuinely fears MT then this makes sense, anything outside of it doesn't to me. Idk what hood means but I assume it's the nightmare, the shift is notable tho
You scumread me yesterday since I was being self-conscious, that's how I am sometimes, fear of failing
I'm down with eliminating Clone, open intent to be inactive, feel meg ghosted but that's usually to things beyond someone's control, so Clone > Meg if I had to choose between the 2- KawaiiKame
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What did you mean by this? Who is acting like they solving?In post 717, Doctor Drew wrote: I fear this game has a some people who are doing a good job 'acting' like they are solving.
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Ye I fail to see why going off vibes/emotions is inherently a bad thing in an emotional/social gameIn post 841, Doctor Drew wrote:
More a general statement. People will superficially look at post and say 'It looks like they are solving, they are town', without looking at the meat and potatoes of said post.In post 840, KawaiiKame wrote:
What did you mean by this? Who is acting like they solving?In post 717, Doctor Drew wrote: I fear this game has a some people who are doing a good job 'acting' like they are solving.
And others falling for it.
And conversely, if someone is more working off vibe and not posting these analytical posts they 'aren't solving at all, they are scum'
Just don't like that mindset that sometimes takes over a game.
I appreciate deep analysis, I do, but a hands off game shouldn't be looked down upon I feel
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You wanted to warn people of the mod lie? How did you know it was going to happen?In post 832, Save The Dragons wrote: I wanted to warn people of the lie so I outed myself as not a killing role- KawaiiKame
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Idk if I like this, feels like you don't want to antagonize anyone unless you genuinely have no one to go against specifically, only the prevailing belief, sounds like a set up to go against specific users initially though, I do like what you say thoIn post 841, Doctor Drew wrote: More a general statement- KawaiiKame
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It's highly likely the "saw in a dream" is going to be a nightly thing, Korina indicated that the post of STD killing might be a lie, I don't blame people with being blood lusty with how the day/night ended, a possible mislim exists thoIn post 830, Botanical Rat wrote:
I think StD is highly likely a mislim, and the quick votes on him looked really bad.In post 828, KawaiiKame wrote:
What do you think of the game in this state?In post 825, Botanical Rat wrote: I'm here, I'm playing. It's been all me so far today
If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say this whole "saw in a dream" bit is going to happen every night and that some will be true and some false, with that being the guaranteed lies present in the setup, but that's pure speculation for now.
I meant to post this b4 but failed to submit, if I double post that I didn't see that's why- KawaiiKame
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I believe youIn post 764, Save The Dragons wrote: I don't have a kill.- KawaiiKame
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I'm in confusion with this too, the implication is yes, but explicitly it's no, something unspoken is being said...In post 849, Botanical Rat wrote:
It's really odd that you don't have any feelings at all about who's doing this. Was this thought not sparked by seeing someone with rotten meat and potatoes?In post 841, Doctor Drew wrote:
More a general statement. People will superficially look at post and say 'It looks like they are solving, they are town', without looking at the meat and potatoes of said post.In post 840, KawaiiKame wrote:
What did you mean by this? Who is acting like they solving?In post 717, Doctor Drew wrote: I fear this game has a some people who are doing a good job 'acting' like they are solving.
And others falling for it.
And conversely, if someone is more working off vibe and not posting these analytical posts they 'aren't solving at all, they are scum'
Just don't like that mindset that sometimes takes over a game.- KawaiiKame
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Why don't you?In post 852, Porkens wrote:
Why?In post 850, KawaiiKame wrote:
I believe youIn post 764, Save The Dragons wrote: I don't have a kill.
It's possible the mod is lying is why- KawaiiKame
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Yee flat out saying he doesn't have a killing ability feels townIn post 856, Botanical Rat wrote: Let's say StD is scum here.
He has two options when that announcement gets made. He can either attempt to CC the mod and slog through what's happening now. Or he can just admit to being able to kill.
In a wacky role madness setup, just claiming a killing ability makes way more sense to me. Not that scum COULDN'T do what StD is, but it's not scum-indicative at all either. And the reaction has been incredibly disingenuous for a game with known mod lies in it.- KawaiiKame
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But the mod could, self-admittedly, it doesn't implicate STDIn post 859, Porkens wrote:
I don't see why the mod would lie about that. I don't believe they are honestly trying to "expose the mods lie".In post 853, KawaiiKame wrote:
Why don't you?In post 852, Porkens wrote:
Why?In post 850, KawaiiKame wrote:
I believe youIn post 764, Save The Dragons wrote: I don't have a kill.
It's possible the mod is lying is why- KawaiiKame
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I have the same question, specifically why this deep fear of being in a hood with MT?In post 857, Empathice wrote:
Why would you be scared of a neighborhood..?In post 783, Gimli wrote: BTW IM IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MORNING TWEET AND IM SCARED- KawaiiKame
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I feel the same way, playing based on emotion...In post 871, TemporalLich wrote: I was trying to articulate my reasons, I tend to play based on intuition...- KawaiiKame
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Hope you sleep on it, nightIn post 872, Doctor Drew wrote:
There isn't anything deeper, just a general commentary on how people fall for 'solvey' posts as always coming from town.In post 851, KawaiiKame wrote:
I'm in confusion with this too, the implication is yes, but explicitly it's no, something unspoken is being said...In post 849, Botanical Rat wrote:
It's really odd that you don't have any feelings at all about who's doing this. Was this thought not sparked by seeing someone with rotten meat and potatoes?In post 841, Doctor Drew wrote:
More a general statement. People will superficially look at post and say 'It looks like they are solving, they are town', without looking at the meat and potatoes of said post.In post 840, KawaiiKame wrote:
What did you mean by this? Who is acting like they solving?In post 717, Doctor Drew wrote: I fear this game has a some people who are doing a good job 'acting' like they are solving.
And others falling for it.
And conversely, if someone is more working off vibe and not posting these analytical posts they 'aren't solving at all, they are scum'
Just don't like that mindset that sometimes takes over a game.
And I am about to head to bed, but I believe it was at a point where I was thinking of replacing out because of frustration of the reliance on that thinking and scum reading people for not 'appearing' to be analytical.- KawaiiKame
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I feel youIn post 845, Botanical Rat wrote:
Same deal as Mutiny I guess. It's a bad push for bad reasons and I don't like it.In post 831, Gimli wrote: I mean why is std highly likely a mislim? that seems like a strong townread no?- KawaiiKame
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Good point, I feel it isIn post 876, Empathice wrote: Isn't it ideal to vig Clone and eliminate someone moderately active?- KawaiiKame
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