Weird Dreams Mafia I [Gone]

[Doctor Drew]

I know this is wacky, even more wacky than a Korina game normally is, because they didn't make me CL.

Now I am all out of sorts.

[Doctor Drew]

Don't worry I'll recruit you

Goddam right you will.

Thank you sir.

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Step one of being a cult leader is to deny being a cult leader

eh... I'd say the openings of Gimli and Doctor Drew are a little bad but that's not really alignment indicative to me

I see two people not getting recruited tonight.

I mean, of course you won't....nothing to see here.

[Doctor Drew]

Why they slightly bad?

Gimli's "im town" opening feels LAMIST to me, while Doctor Drew's wanting to be culted opening just doesn't bode well to me.

Empathice's opening feels like an RVS vote to me - it would look bad past RVS stage though!

If there is a cult here, I want to get culted, super serious about that.

The mod and I are soulmates in that regard, all cult all the time.

But, I am also ryde or dye with town until that happens or doesn't, I promise you that.

Maybe as a consolation, we could be put in a hood TL, I need to make things up to you

[Doctor Drew]

Botanical Rat is very towny.

Temporal Lich's #34 looks like campaigning to be placed in the Nightmare?

Do you think they are good at solving?

[Doctor Drew]

Botanical Rat is very towny.

Temporal Lich's #34 looks like campaigning to be placed in the Nightmare?

Do you think they are good at solving?

No, I don't know them, but they're nearly the only person who's actually solving so far and certainly the person doing the most so far.

Definitely more than me lol.

But what about Rat is coming off townie? This is directed to TL and Emp.

Pre Edit: How much can we force people to use the invention?

Pre Edit2: What non-Radical Rat said

[Doctor Drew]

Had a very tiring day, but don't worry the depressant affects of alcohol will fuel my energy tonight, cause I got some catching up to do.

[Doctor Drew]

HURT: Gimli, Meg, Botanical

I think I do remember people saying we want the most solvy players to run the nightmare?

To me, at least who I have played with recently, Meg and Gimli would be at the top of my list. As far as the hydra, they both are quality as well....but I figure two heads are better than one in this scenario (it pains me to compliment a hydra lol)

[Doctor Drew]

KawaiiKame does have towny vibes but I did an ISO skim on them and they have some reads but I don't see any scumreads from KawaiiKame. 242 feels more likely genuine than not.

pedit: good reasoning, though DragonEater's waffling discredits his solvey vibes and I indeed do like Gimli's vibe and posts

I can definitely see KawaiiKame being scum, but I still have a low confidence townread there (the scumminess comes from a concerning lack of scumreads)

It takes me a long ass time to scumread anyone, I have to have strong conviction to scumread someone initially and no one I know is explicitly scum to me as of now, I'm open to any and all possibilities but I feel it's best to see who I see as town and see who's left, I'm usually not confident in any/most of my reads, so many people makes it hard to know who is scum especially with everyone acting vaguely townie in my eyes, I will have to deeply analyze the game and see what I find

I'm town reading Rat, Empath, Enchant, Ranger, Save The Dragons, Temporal Lich
HURT: Rat, Empath, Enchant, Ranger,Save The Dragons, Temporal Lich , KawaiiKame
Tweet is below this line, I like how observant/solving she is in spite of only 3 posts, willing to trade in someone above with Tweet
Kyoko is below this line, I'm willing to trade someone out of the above line if I continue to like what she says in challenging people
Tweet/Kyoko exist in the same line interchangeably to be next in line in who I hurt vote into the Nightmare
9/17 town, let's see the 8/17 in P2

I tend to read people the best when just coming off another game with them, and like you Kawaii, even though she hasn't posted much I really like Morning Tweet's last post, I feel confident she is town.

As is TL and you as well Kawaii.

Page 13, unlucky for scum, because only town here, ya dig.

[Doctor Drew]

I tend to read people the best when just coming off another game with them, and like you Kawaii, even though she hasn't posted much I really like Morning Tweet's last post, I feel confident she is town.

That gives me confidence in my Tweet read, finished a game with Empath so Ik he's good at solving when pursuing a specific line of reasoning systematically

Is he somewhat displaying that same behavior here?

Sorry, lost to catch up on lol.

[Doctor Drew]

How do you get reads of everyone page by page? This is genuinely impressive, I hope to be this skilled in time

I've been playing games of werewolf since 2009. I've never stopped. That's 14 years of experience. Most of those were blitzes, too. And EpicMafia. Developing reads quickly was a must. I've slowed down in my old age.

Big help: intellectual honesty. Let people move for any reason.

Any

reason. A single good post up. A single bad post down. Out of sight out of mind move down. Sucks to let go of correct reads, sucks to change to wrong reads, but the honesty is worth it.

{Save The Dragons, Doctor Drew, Botanical Rat, Empathice}
{TemporalLich}
{DragonEater70}
{Kyoko Kirigiri}
{Clone, Flea The Magician}
{Morning Tweet}
{MegAzumarill}
{imaginality, KawaiiKame}
{Gimli}
{Enchant}

I realize I've too few scumreads. Hopefully will solidify these later. I did like Kawaii this page.

I do wonder why Kawaii is so low, along with Morning.......and I have been lock town apparently, even I would say I haven't been blatant town.

[Doctor Drew]

HURT: Gimli, Meg, Botanical

I think I do remember people saying we want the most solvy players to run the nightmare?

To me, at least who I have played with recently, Meg and Gimli would be at the top of my list. As far as the hydra, they both are quality as well....but I figure two heads are better than one in this scenario (it pains me to compliment a hydra lol)

this is a good looking post and i think drew is a townie for it

cause he voted for you? It's actually a really bad post cause he did not consider solving you at all. This is not a popularity contest

It's pretty obvious we want town players in the nightmare, not just people who are generally better in the game.

And you're really alarming me right now with how you're reacting to this kinda stuff

Why do you say I am not solving them?

[Doctor Drew]

you're really gonna make me have to play this d1 aren't you kyoko

hood <<<< vig, no? why would you prefer a hood over a vig instead?

You really shpuld be playing D1 when it's your town meta to be very active D1. Idk why town you wouldn't want to play D1.

This just screamed of 'hey fellow scum, don't act so scummy'

[Doctor Drew]

VOTE: Dragon

[Doctor Drew]

And TL, tbf I did say I think they are solid players, not that I was town reading them per se.

As I said in that post I thought I saw someone mention that you want the best solvers in there.

Though realize now that obviously I want them to be town.

And, definitely not sold on Gimli.

[Doctor Drew]

i dunno what i did

IT

[Doctor Drew]

you're really gonna make me have to play this d1 aren't you kyoko

hood <<<< vig, no? why would you prefer a hood over a vig instead?

You really shpuld be playing D1 when it's your town meta to be very active D1. Idk why town you wouldn't want to play D1.

This just screamed of 'hey fellow scum, don't act so scummy'

VOTE: Dragon

Does it though? Wouldn't that be super on the nose? This just seems like the way it was phrased that is pinging you more than anything. like by saying "town!you" twice it seems slightly lecture-y in tone but other than that im not sure it implies anything about Dragon. He could have phrased that like "You're usually very active D1 as town" and it wouldnt read the way it does, at least to me

That being said i like this thought process though HURT: Drew

I bit on the nose yes for scum for scum, as I stewed on it a little bit more it seems more of a S v T thing.

I don't understand why town would say that though.

[Doctor Drew]

Post Edit: A bit......I didn't bite nothin

[Doctor Drew]

I played with Gimli and Kyoko in said recent game.

I will say that thinking of that games reminds me of townGimli, he isn't afraid to point out when he thinks he was incorrect.

Pre Edit: Slips are usually subtle

[Doctor Drew]

Mod, I am voting Dragon, not myself lol

[Doctor Drew]

Rats intro felt really scummy to me and they didn’t pull up from that read while I skimmed through.

Ranger’s posts reek scum. The posting method they are following is super easy to do as scum.

Any posting method is easy to do as scum, especially early game. Also easy to do as town, I don't get this read.

[Doctor Drew]

TL, can you elaborate on what exactly led you to town read me in AbLoaf?

[Doctor Drew]

I will say, Porkens shares a bit of dna with me, come out swinging when replacing in.

And they have a bit of a shit posting ruffle the feathers posting style sometimes, also in my dna.

I don't love their entrance, but think it is NAI.

[Doctor Drew]

I literally hate this game, can't deal with a large game at the mo, that is the main thing, but trying to keep up as best as I can.

But this game will make me angry, I have some fun and I am scum read.....ok. I have a feeling this game will be bad for my mental health.

You people are no fun. This is a game we play for fun, have some fun.

Like literally someone used my opening post about me talking about be upset about not being a CL as an actual case for me?

Fuck off with that, this is no way you possibly can be serious with that shit.

And TL, I have been voting Dragon for a minute.....there is my scum read. Oops all my bad I can't fake a scum read.....as kinda said before, it is D1 on a large game with wackadoo mechanics, and it is moving faster for my liking. I will focus on the microcosm that happens when I am free, and I will gives reads as I see such, if they are town reads.....is that so bad?

I need a fucking beer.

And before someone comes in and says 'AtE, classic scum move', first off wrong, being strung up for some shit reasons when trying to get into the game will bring out emotions, and actually I don't have a second lol.

I will say, Porkens shares a bit of dna with me, come out swinging when replacing in.

And they have a bit of a shit posting ruffle the feathers posting style sometimes, also in my dna.

I don't love their entrance, but think it is NAI.

Meg, you have experience with me in a game you modded where I was a bit more gentle replacing in, and I was scum. Not saying that I would never be aggro as scum, but this is one example.

And you have seen me in a game playing with you, and maybe wasn't as aggro.....and hey look, I was CL.

You are are judging me from one perspective.

Go look up greentexts for what I specifically meant.

[Doctor Drew]

Oh my god, imaginalitys iso is bad I hate the TL read and the stated confidence. I like the talking with the bats post

Maybe imaginality is just really scummy as town? He was pretty convincing that one time he was scum in a game i was in. But I think he's suspicious here. Would need to see a read other than "TL is faking being townie!helpful" which he mentions in 3 or 4 of 7 posts

I voted Meg because I largely disagreed with almost every conclusion. I was thinking Ranger!Scum Enchant!Town, Drew!Town (obviously). Why is Porkens and Ranger your top townreads (above Kyoko who you state what i thought were better reasons for. Maybe respecting the scumrange but still idk.)



Also, I hate the wordy comment by Meg because it's true

Do you want to run the Nightmare?

[Doctor Drew]

Pork is probtown, MT is about as town as town can get.

TL I think maybe scum, Ranger I love for making me the towniest town that has ever towned.....but don't really get why tbh.

I bitch about getting strung up as town, but I get why someone not familiar with me will scum read me, so this continual town read of my by her.....is a bit odd to me

Meg, I can't really ever figure her out, hope she responds to my post above though.

[Doctor Drew]

meg is null leaning town for effort... I think

that's just an impression from barely skimming meg's ISO

Why does effort = town?

Pre Edit: I kinda disagree Meg

[Doctor Drew]

yeah... effort is why I lean town on you lol

pedit: it takes effort to fake effort so having effort is very slightly towny imo
me.
and having zero effort is anti-town

This is a bad take on Meg, and makes no sense on why you once TR me.

[Doctor Drew]

Go look up greentexts for what I specifically meant.

I looked it up. You were incredibly townie there, not getting the same vibes here. Like there you were offering legit scumreads and interacting in a meaningful way and here not so much.

But I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Can you point out three players you think are/can be scum here? Or even two? Can you point out some players which you think are townie?

I meant my entrance and overall ruffling feathers.

And the vibe wasn't that I was incredibly townie there, so that is interesting.

I literally just said that TL is scum, still feel Dragon is scum(voting them after all). And literally just said Pork and MT are town.

Are you even paying attention or just trying to act like you are?

[Doctor Drew]

Spoiler: TL, Meg, and Drew hjalp

meg is null leaning town for effort... I think

that's just an impression from barely skimming meg's ISO

I effort more as scum dw

meg is null leaning town for effort... I think

that's just an impression from barely skimming meg's ISO

Why does effort = town?

Pre Edit: I kinda disagree Meg

yeah... effort is why I lean town on you lol

pedit: it takes effort to fake effort so having effort is very slightly towny imo

and having zero effort is anti-town

Im lost. Are we agreeing that effort is something that Meg does more as town or scum? Drew, if you think that Meg efforts more as town then why wouldn't it be town indicative for Meg to be putting in the effort this early. This reads like you and TL are agreeing that Meg would effort more as town. I'm very confuse

This is what is grinding my gears with this game, Meg said herself she efforts more as scum.

But I have seen her effort really hard as town(re: Citadel Conflict).

So....something doesn't add up.

[Doctor Drew]

Yes I sent MT into the Nightmare, thought I softed it pretty hard.

She is my tippity top town read, so want to make sure she is in there

And I will admit that I probably would have waited to use my power, but someone mentioned I am at e-2 or 3 and selfishly I wanted to use my ability before ol trustworthy Drew was yeeted out of here.

[Doctor Drew]

Hold me, Drew...

Gotta at least take me out for dinner for that to happen Pork

[Doctor Drew]

HURT: Gimli, Ranger, Botanical

VOTE: TL

Seems right now

[Doctor Drew]

Hey that's my night action!

Is it a friendly dinner?

[Doctor Drew]

The one thing about Clone is, and just finished a game with them, I think they barely care. Why they even bother joining a game, especially a large game, I do not know.

I get the urge to vote them, even if policy, but saying they are scummy is a reach for me. And voting to elim them is an uneducated guess IMO.

Honestly would prefer a TL elim over Clone, disingenuous has been thrown around a bit lately, would say it applies to them quite a bit.

[Doctor Drew]

considering that I scumread imaginality and Doctor Drew, I am not intending for a policy lim but for a good faith lim because I believe Clone is scummy and that Clone will ultimately harm the town with the blatant lack of effort regardless

Clone's vote on Doctor Drew seems like a meta read at best and a scummy push at worst... while Clone's vote on Gimli is outright OMGUS

The only meta Clone has on me I was town, along with them.

And I am not defending Clones play, it definitely isn't helping anyone, but can you call it scummy?

And walk me through how you got from 'Drew is town' to 'Drew is scum'.

And tbh, your town read on me was weird to begin with. At least in Abloaf you admitted that you thought having the Hood keep going led to my town read and I hadn't done anything anti town. Here you just seem to latch onto to me for some reason, and then when given some pushback from others you waffle a bit and go with the flow of 'Drew is scummy'.

This is disingenuous, and not the town TL from Abloaf.

[Doctor Drew]

The one thing about Clone is, and just finished a game with them, I think they barely care. Why they even bother joining a game, especially a large game, I do not know.

I get the urge to vote them, even if policy, but saying they are scummy is a reach for me. And voting to elim them is an uneducated guess IMO.

Honestly would prefer a TL elim over Clone, disingenuous has been thrown around a bit lately, would say it applies to them quite a bit.

I think it's fine that you think this but if clone is mafia I'm gonna wanna flip you next for this defense alone.

and as far as d1 goes flipping a slot that 'barely care' is a good idea iyam.

Shouldn't policy elim be sort of a last resort?

I get it, Clone hasn't done jack shit of any worth, but wouldn't you rather go after someone who has been actively scummy? Then even if it was a mis elim there is some connective tissue tied to it?

Like I said, this is an uneducated guess vs other more educated guesses.

If this implicates me then so be it, and I won't fight against the elim of Clone too much per se..... partially I am fighting against the perception this game that acting like they are solving is actually town.....which brings me right back to TL.

[Doctor Drew]

if clone is scum and you're scum you're gonna have to learn the basics which is MURDER THIS SLOT

if you're town I get what you're saying but flipping clone is at least a great base elimination for the day. we find something better we move there, sure.

your weird defense of Clone is not helping Clone's case

pedit: agreed, Clone is low effort lurking scum who is caught in an associative... I highly doubt Clone and Doctor Drew is an SvT interaction

Ladies and gentlemen, here is the difference between a town mentality(Gimli) and scum mentality (TL).

Though Gimli, as I read your post again.....how exactly would you know my alignment? You just said you would be all over me regardless.....is this some TMI?

[Doctor Drew]

Plus, like, you're not going to figure this out by *not* voting Clone. Voting Clone is at least marginally better in that maybe it causes Clone to do more

Strong disagree.

3 posts, no content, acknowledging a prod.
That's a slot that doesn't care about anyones read or pressure. Voting there is going to do less than nothing.

Hell I'd go as far as saying that wagons scum driven.

Also this^

[Doctor Drew]

I fear this game has a some people who are doing a good job 'acting' like they are solving.

And others falling for it.

[Doctor Drew]

Disappointed in Doctor Drew doing what he did

Not the first time a lady told me this, but I digress.....

Pork you don't see Ranger as town? Going back to my previous post, she seems like of the few making 'super solvey posts' that are actually transparent and holding some substance(MT being the other big one, and Gimli doesn't come across as the overly analytical type, but solvey in a more real world type.....if that makes sense(though we are probably gonna butt head all games on reads lol)).

Meg is that type as well, but seems pretty self unaware....in a bad way. Like she says she plays town/scum a certain way.....but I have recent experience that debunks that. I am waffling a bit on what that means exactly, so she is a work in progress.

[Doctor Drew]

If no one is claiming locking MT into the nightmare then chances are it wasn't town who did it. But she was likely to be in it anyway so scum motivation to lock scum MT into it isn't there. So I still think MT more likely town, with scum hoping to cast suspicion on her. I bet some of the push on her today is from scum.
The neighbourhood thing could easily also be scum wanting her to be under more suspicion.

I also like Porkens for town. So of Gimli's options StD and Clone are the two I can see myself voting today.

My question to the mod certainly wasn't a defence of StD and DragonEater painting it as an associative seems like a stretch. We know there are mod lies in this game, understanding what could or couldn't be a lie seems useful to me.

VOTE: Save the Dragons

Overall there's still a lot of stuff up in the air. Hope to find some silent headspace to figure a bit more out today and tonight.

I literally said it was me who put MT in the Nightmare.

[Doctor Drew]

I fear this game has a some people who are doing a good job 'acting' like they are solving.

And others falling for it.

What did you mean by this? Who is acting like they solving?

More a general statement. People will superficially look at post and say 'It looks like they are solving, they are town', without looking at the meat and potatoes of said post.

And conversely, if someone is more working off vibe and not posting these analytical posts they 'aren't solving at all, they are scum'

Just don't like that mindset that sometimes takes over a game.

[Doctor Drew]

I fear this game has a some people who are doing a good job 'acting' like they are solving.

And others falling for it.

What did you mean by this? Who is acting like they solving?

More a general statement. People will superficially look at post and say 'It looks like they are solving, they are town', without looking at the meat and potatoes of said post.

And conversely, if someone is more working off vibe and not posting these analytical posts they 'aren't solving at all, they are scum'

Just don't like that mindset that sometimes takes over a game.

It's really odd that you don't have any feelings at all about who's doing this. Was this thought not sparked by seeing someone with rotten meat and potatoes?

I'm in confusion with this too, the implication is yes, but explicitly it's no, something unspoken is being said...

There isn't anything deeper, just a general commentary on how people fall for 'solvey' posts as always coming from town.

And I am about to head to bed, but I believe it was at a point where I was thinking of replacing out because of frustration of the reliance on that thinking and scum reading people for not 'appearing' to be analytical.

[Doctor Drew]

I had a curious thought.

@Mod

In the hypothetical event that one's alignment were to change, would an ability that reveals or interacts with their alignment use their alignment at the start of the night, or the end of the night?

I haven't been culted if that's what you were asking.

Yet

[Doctor Drew]

924 I actually agree with... and yeah Empathice is more likely scum than not... and yeah 136 is indeed a strange post especially given that Kyoko flipped town

937 just doesn't feel like a town mindset post to me...

VOTE: Empathice

This is you OMGUSing

again

.

TL is? When did you vote/sr TL?

#937?

Can you give me a case on TL that isn't just you screaming 'This is all OMGUS!' from the mountain tops?

[Doctor Drew]

I had a curious thought.

@Mod

In the hypothetical event that one's alignment were to change, would an ability that reveals or interacts with their alignment use their alignment at the start of the night, or the end of the night?

I haven't been culted if that's what you were asking.

Yet

I was just thinking about how you were asking to be recruited earlier, and were I a cult leader I'd be inclined to oblige.

Had a tinfoil thought TL could be leader claiming an inno on their recruit, wanted to rule out the possibility of the cop being genuine but the check invalid.

I'm not committing the tinfoil thought to an actual theory yet, but it is a thought I had.

Is this Bianco or Rat?

And in the event that there is a CL, you think they would be a cop as well?

[Doctor Drew]

I knew this would be a bastard game, didn't know that involved one of the players being an actual bastard.

I feel bad for Korina especially, I know how much they were looking forward to modding this game.

[Doctor Drew]

MT, please tell me you would have culted me at some point. I guess my town read on you was because somehow deep in my subconscious, I knew you were cult and want to buddy up to you lol.