Micro 1071: MafiaInFreezer v2023 (Game Over)

[Syryana]

i don't even know what you're asking me

Basically, you think Ydrasse is town. I think Ydrasse is a wolf for repeatedly refusing to explain why she has the suspicions/thought processes she has posted. My request to you was to square that behavior with your town read, e.g. give me a reason to think it's an honest town approach and not a wolf making shit up.

okay, sure.

so back when the game started there was this little queue in the notifications bar where Ydra had to then open an unread Private Message which turned out to contain her role PM which happened to be green.

So you see she can't be scum, she's got a green role PM.

Please don't do this.

so i can't even joke now lmfao

got it

Joke? No, that's the kind of snarky, condescending thing people say to "caught scum". Kilga deserves better and I'm politely requesting you refrain from such in the future.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i don't even know what you're asking me

Basically, you think Ydrasse is town. I think Ydrasse is a wolf for repeatedly refusing to explain why she has the suspicions/thought processes she has posted. My request to you was to square that behavior with your town read, e.g. give me a reason to think it's an honest town approach and not a wolf making shit up.

okay, sure.

so back when the game started there was this little queue in the notifications bar where Ydra had to then open an unread Private Message which turned out to contain her role PM which happened to be green.

So you see she can't be scum, she's got a green role PM.

Please don't do this.

so i can't even joke now lmfao

got it

Joke? No, that's the kind of snarky, condescending thing people say to "caught scum". Kilga deserves better and I'm politely requesting you refrain from such in the future.

Yeah no that's not what this post is doing at all. This is the kind of thing I say to people when they ask me to explain a town read and they've given me nothign I can follow wrt their scumread so I can't even debate it outside of the points I have literally already said.

I'm politely requesting you refrain from being the arbiter of what is and isn't acceptable, and that you consider which of the two of us in that scenario is more consecending, the person making a joke because they've said literally all they can currently say, or the person making a fucking big deal of assumptions out of a joke post that was referenced in the post immediately after as being a joke and just assuming they're right.

You do a lot of that "Assuming you're right" stuff.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Go on, tell me what I really meant some more. Mansplain my intention to me just a tiny bit more yeah?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yes I'm fucking with you, i don't know what elements of her play you consider suspicious here. i know i'm making you do more work than i otherwise usually would but treat me like i'm barely holding on this game lol

like what the fuck do you think this is Syr. "I don't know what elements of her play you consider suspicious" "I know I'm making you do the work to show me, but show me" "I'm fucking with you, the above was a joke".

Like jesus fucking christ who died and made you the tone police Syr. Who decided you're the one who gets to pick and choose when I'm allowed to jest and have fun and what is and isn't acceptable?

I'm being civil and open about where I'm at. I made a joke, it was explained and given full due respect of my stance in the literal post after, you just like being superior and condescending to others so you didn't bother reading the follow up. Even when you were told it was a joke, you decided no. Someone telling you what it was isn't the correct answer. What YOU decide is true is correct.

How arrogant and entitled do you have to be to think you get to decide that?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is pissing me off.

The interaction was

"Can LLD explain this thing?
"No one answered me!"
"I saw it but didn't understand the question"
"Ydra has scummy interactions and I want you to explain how they are town for me"
"Well I have no idea what you're referring to, so I'm going to joke about how I know because I know, and then do actual serious talk asking for those receipts to be provided such that I can provide that insight"

There's nothing disrespectful here. I made a joke about someone being town because they have a green role PM because I had nothing left to say and then immediatelly followed up with a humble request for assistance in providing the required things.

To interpret this as you have done and try to shame me for fucking trying to re-engage with this game and have a little lighthearted fun as I do requires you to think you are so superior and so morally self righteous that you don't even bother to read context or other posts.

[Syryana]

You said something I find offensive. I politely and respectfully asked you not to in future. I won't be responding to this further.

[catboi]

- I think syr is pretty towny actually and I liked what he was doing on page 14, it feels like he has been trying to kick the game into gear even if the engine won't start

- still think kilga is scummy

As for the first part, if you hadn't seen it by now I'd be speed-yeeting you

As for the second, why?

Also you still owe me that explanation for Naidrasse

sorry lol i've been in a funk this game but i think i'm getting back into it

i will get to discussing ydrasse now

[catboi]

uhm

before I go on

please let's refrain from making this personal

it's just a game and there's no need to get super heated

[notscience]

hello.

[notscience]

I think I’m gonna skim the game

I’m sorry I’ve kinda been empty promise central, just really rough week. And I get if y’all want to kill me for it, not really going to argue against it because meh, something something actions and consequences and lack of action counts as an action

I’m gonna see if I can half court the scumteam before I die tho

[notscience]

Uuuugh I don’t fucking know

Dunn seems to be solvey Dunn. I feel like he’s faded some but that also makes me a giant hypocrite so idfk? I tried to look at the twilight posts that bugged syr and I can kinda see it but I also put a lot of the blame for how that went down solely on me so idk I might just be too close to it for my own good. This is a long walk for a town lean

Ydra is making me think ydra is town which I’ve already gone on about is weird but atp half court shot means stop overthinking and just go

syr is town and idk what his big thing about me is but /shrug I don’t really feel like I have the ground to stand on to defend myself. Also ha his blurb is more about his read on me than him

I actually find myself agreeing with catboi that it’s weird he hasn’t garnered more side eyes bc I feel like he normally does and ik I’ve also been part of the issue but whatever. I can see him approaching me the way he is this game as town but I can also see him playing this angle as scum. I wouldn’t say it’s like outright buddying because it’s not I just don’t know what other term id use here

Kilga could be scum but I am basing this solely on he’s like the only person actually calling me town atp

LLD *hedge* I dunno. I always kinda flip flop here and don’t really know how to keep my paranoia in check. I agree with syr that I don’t really feel like she actually put the breaks on she said she did, however I liked her thought process abojt it but think she’s self aware enough to replicate this as scum

Why are these all just more fucking hedges this is fucking stupid

[notscience]

I’m going to go eat my salad, but I’m around if people want to direct me to things or ask me shit

Actually around this time

[notscience]

Well, goodnight moon.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

mmm

i have a list of players i'm worried about and it's way too long so someone's gotta be town lmfao

[catboi]

I'm gonna be honest I looked at that notty post and my first instinct was "antispew". I try to avoid saying that because it's really not nice to say about someone when it's incorrect, but. Feels like beyond phoning it in it's refusing to commit to anything meaningful which I'd associae with not wanting to give anything away

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm gonna be honest I looked at that notty post and my first instinct was "antispew". I try to avoid saying that because it's really not nice to say about someone when it's incorrect, but. Feels like beyond phoning it in it's refusing to commit to anything meaningful which I'd associae with not wanting to give anything away

right but this day is so fragile and unmotivated, if Notty just took a hard line stand on say like, Syr, he'd kill Syr.

Hardline stance in Kilga maybe kills Kilga.

So Notty could live here, why isn't he trying to?

[notscience]

Syr is town

[catboi]

I'm gonna be honest I looked at that notty post and my first instinct was "antispew". I try to avoid saying that because it's really not nice to say about someone when it's incorrect, but. Feels like beyond phoning it in it's refusing to commit to anything meaningful which I'd associae with not wanting to give anything away

right but this day is so fragile and unmotivated, if Notty just took a hard line stand on say like, Syr, he'd kill Syr.

Hardline stance in Kilga maybe kills Kilga.

So Notty could live here, why isn't he trying to?

*shrug*

not everyone has the will, if he's scum he's afraid of tripping up or can't bring himself to push a fake case

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Syr is town

no one is more town than you are supposed to be knowing wise.

are you content to just die?

[notscience]

I told you coming into today I expected to die in karmic retribution lol

I think clearing me off the board keeps me from being a marci tomorrow so logistically, yeah, I think it makes sense

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I told you coming into today I expected to die in karmic retribution lol

I think clearing me off the board keeps me from being a marci tomorrow so logistically, yeah, I think it makes sense

do you have a claim, or is it just VT?

[notscience]

Yeah, I’m gardevoir

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah, I’m gardevoir

my brain is full of worms because i went looking for a deez nuts joke here in a panic

[Lady Lambdadelta]

anyway, i don't want to kill notty today anymore, sadly.

there's been enough apathy and very little time left that this new apathy string doesn't feel like it saves him so i wonder

[catboi]

stuff on ydrasse for

@syr

. I'm going to spoiler tag this even though I had doing so but I feel like I need to pull quotes to be able to explain what I'm seeing here

Spoiler:

so do u think im partnered with syr : ?

i feel as if ive expressed more of a wolfread on u/through my actions this game than syr so this should not be a surprise but youre leaving the implication vague.
i also dont really know what about my lack of posting abt you two does to undermine my previously given reads
youve done nothing to change it nor warrant avoiding a vote

so do u think im partnered with syr : ?

i feel as if ive expressed more of a wolfread on u/through my actions this game than syr so this should not be a surprise but youre leaving the implication vague.
i also dont really know what about my lack of posting abt you two does to undermine my previously given reads
youve done nothing to change it nor warrant avoiding a vote

Basically, between the stuff I mentioned yesterday and what I quoted there, I don't think you're paying attention to your own stated suspicions. Like, yes, you've been Unpleased with me for most of the game, but you went from a statement of "i’d probably vote (kilga) last of (cakez, syr, kilga)" to restating a desire to vote for me without any mention of what happened to your Syr read in the meantime.

I do think you and Syr is certainly possible as the solution given the above and a general feeling from how I think the Mafia team would have approached the Cakez situation post-claim, but I'm not yet as sold on Syr as I am on you.

do you think me not paying attention is a wolfy trait
like do you think im just being careless with my play

my reasons to wolfread you were the ones i remembered more because i voted you most of yesterday, syr is still there and also on the wagon so like points there but me wanting to kill you is just falling back on where i voted all d1

this is the kind of response though that makes me feel like you and syr could be together though because youre like well IM NOT THERE YET on syr but more there on me and its like, micro game, push out townie and then fight for one more elim while keeping syr just out of danger

Responses to kilga - have a little bit of self-righteousness to them which I think comes from a town mindset. The last line in bold is paranoid and worldbuilding on a slight thing, comes across as genuine from her as looking at angles and reading into words closely. I just buy it as a real suspicion and not an angle she's pushing as scum because it does not feel convenient or contrived

Spoiler:

do you think me not paying attention is a wolfy trait
like do you think im just being careless with my play

I think that townies, by virtue of being genuine in their wolfhunting, will actually have the opinions that they claim to have and believe the things they say and be consistent about it as a result, where wolves, by virtue of not being genuine in their wolfhunting, will be far more prone to either forgetting the things they said previously or simply not caring about being consistent as long as they can say whatever they need to in order to survive.

my reasons to wolfread you were the ones i remembered more because i voted you most of yesterday, syr is still there and also on the wagon so like points there but me wanting to kill you is just falling back on where i voted all d1

You apparently felt unconfident enough in your vote to remove it in 187, though, which makes sense in the context of the immediate followup where you put me behind Cakez and Syr but

doesn't

make sense now in that you're "still inclined to vote" me but have nothing to say about Syr (or even me, beyond the statement that you're still inclined to vote for me). Under the assumption that your wolfhunting is genuine, either Syr is equal to or ahead of me on your list and you're pursuing your tied-for-first/second target while not doing anything to pursue your tied-for-first/outright first, or I'm ahead of Syr and the ordering in 188 is a lie, making the unvote in 187 extra strange. Neither of these seem likely at all, which means the only conclusion I can reach is that the assumption that your wolfhunting is genuine must be faulty, at which point we go back to my previous paragraph.

i'm not gonna lie the way these posts are written make my eyes glaze over a little bit so i don't know if i'm understanding your point in full but i think that your methodology is flawed given that i could just reference my posts if i actually cared about them being perfectly consistent and presenting that to everyone

like i just dont care that much about distinguishing equal than or greater two reads in this game lol

if youre town and want to understand me better i genuinely dont think approaching it like this to understand my thoughts is going to work because there's too much ... tangling in your post or explanation

as it is i think that this isn't an interesting way to solve and i feel like there is some content you could probably divine but haven't really done so &_&
i want to vote you but i'm hesitant because i am stupid and dont get what youre doing

There's a puzzled uncertainty in this response to kilga where she's working through trying to decide whether he's actually scum or not, I buy it, it feels like gears turning, it feels inwwardly focused in terms of what she's writing rather than trying to directly confront her attacker

Spoiler:

im going to be real with you
im playing this game entirely off of vibes and i dont think that theres going to be as much logic as you want to hear
for example my gut is saying "wow this is weird questioning" if only because it seems like the last point in the series of questions is missing the idea that i could not be married to the kilga/syr read and it's a bit ! that you're attached to it and went down like... a setup extreme instead of just wondering if any of the people i have expressed any curiosity in could be interchangeable
it's mostly just how you feel and i know that you are wrong on me and like are townreading/fine with a lot of other people so you have an incredibly small pool you're actually interested in but i don't think ? that really reflects in your posting

i like the last line here, but overall the whole post reads genuine and in line with what i expect from ydrasse as town. she's playing intuitively and can't fully articulate thoughts but when she does manage to form words around it it

makes sense to me

taken all together I look at these posts and they seem like someone who's solving