Mini 2295 | Star Trek uPick - Fin!

[hebichan]

Our house was discussing mariachi Q the other day. And there he is. I think mod mind reading should be against site rules.

[hebichan]

Our house was discussing mariachi Q the other day. And there he is. I think mod mind reading should be against site rules.

You got it

What did I get? Q's identity?

[hebichan]

Our house was discussing mariachi Q the other day. And there he is. I think mod mind reading should be against site rules.

You got it

What did I get? Q's identity?

Yes Frogs thought Q was Elon Musk

I thought that was a joke tbh

[hebichan]

VOTE: GreyIce

Until he confirms

[hebichan]

Pretty sure it was established I'm a starship infesting snake.

[hebichan]

Pretty sure it was established I'm a starship infesting snake.

You got it! Now where are all the others? Don't make me call a red alert!

VOTE: Kokichi

I have decided I will not be using contractions this game

I might sound weird

You're fine, it's the early game, you can wait at least a few days to develop a character trait like that.

All of my snake sisters have gotten temporaly displaced. As far as I know they might be in your childhood home while you were a wee baby.

[hebichan]

Pretty sure it was established I'm a starship infesting snake.

You got it! Now where are all the others? Don't make me call a red alert!

VOTE: Kokichi

I have decided I will not be using contractions this game

I might sound weird

You're fine, it's the early game, you can wait at least a few days to develop a character trait like that.

All of my snake sisters have gotten temporaly displaced. As far as I know they might be in your childhood home while you were a wee baby.

Vote: Hebi

this is reaaaaalllly cheeky and comfortable which i don't expect you to be in town first game back for yourself

It's been four years and you have helped me chill out a lot. It's just personal growth.

[hebichan]

Pretty sure it was established I'm a starship infesting snake.

You got it! Now where are all the others? Don't make me call a red alert!

VOTE: Kokichi

I have decided I will not be using contractions this game

I might sound weird

You're fine, it's the early game, you can wait at least a few days to develop a character trait like that.

All of my snake sisters have gotten temporaly displaced. As far as I know they might be in your childhood home while you were a wee baby.

Vote: Hebi

this is reaaaaalllly cheeky and comfortable which i don't expect you to be in town first game back for yourself

It's been four years and you have helped me chill out a lot. It's just personal growth.

Yes but what if you had personal growth and also you were scum

Then I swear to make you proud love.

[hebichan]

RIGHT ON THE SNOOT

A KEESE FROM THE BIG BIRD BEAK!

<3

On another note, birds and snakes? This temporal anomaly is a veritable menagerie.

[hebichan]

also Black is probably town

but Hebi look scummy sowwy snek

Look gimme one night and I'll prove myself to you.

[hebichan]

also Black is probably town

but Hebi look scummy sowwy snek

Look gimme one night and I'll prove myself to you.

so you can shoot me in the face

right in my big bird beak?

oh jail for snek

jail for 1000 lightyears!

I literally can not shoot you even if I wanted to. I would shoot you night one if I were scum OR vig and you were not. But I don't know your alignment and I don't have a night kill.

[hebichan]

also, i'm sorry you're scum =(

it's okay we can have fun together another game when you're not scum

I'm gonna stop interacting with you now cause I don't think you're scum and I'm not gonna be able to convince you by back and forthing this.

[hebichan]

The temporal alliance made me think of the temporal Cold War and now I’m sad.

Who can I murder to forget about Enterprise again?

VOTE: rogue

Vote the non animals.

[hebichan]

VOTE: hebi

You can't break the animal bloc this soon T,...,T

Penguins are the lynchpin.

[hebichan]

I guess that's fair.

[hebichan]

I guess that's fair.

You’re calling breaking up the coalition fair?

You sure it’s not because penguin doesn’t want to vote his scum buddy rogue?

Vote:Penguin

Two scum caught, page 3

If you think rogue is scum with penguin just stick on the wagon with us. Don't split on penguin.

[hebichan]

Honey you’re so high the only way you could see us is with the Hubble telescope

I MAY BE HIGH, BUT I CAN CATCH SCUM IN MY SLEEP

Needle someone else then. I don't feel like day one claiming on my first day back.

[hebichan]

Honey you’re so high the only way you could see us is with the Hubble telescope

I MAY BE HIGH, BUT I CAN CATCH SCUM IN MY SLEEP

Needle someone else then. I don't feel like day one claiming on my first day back.

i'll needle others when others deign to show up in a way that i can needle them

but right now you're giving me reactions so

Cause I'm bored and you're the only one posting

[hebichan]

That’s scummy. I’m posting too.

Soft claim on page 3 lol

Less than her and I'm also responding to you.

[hebichan]

Yes yes very townie. I think we sh…

LOL DID YOU GET AN AWESOME FAKECLAIM? CANT WAIT TO SHOW OFF YOUR FAKIE AND SCARE US ALL OFF?

No. I want to scream at you irl about how stupid it is you're reading into everything I do but I'm holding it inside and trying to not do it in thread cause I actually want to scumhunt.

[hebichan]

VC 1.3

"You! What planet is this?" -- -- McCoy (City on the Edge of Forever)

Mod I'm on rogue

hebichan (4): Aureal, Lay Lambdadelta, PenguinPower, GreyICE
Rogue (3): Wavelength, Porkens, Black
GreyICE (1): hebichan
Black (1): Rogue

Not Voting (13):

Kokichi Oma, KawaiiKame, xyzzy, Frogs

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to eliminate

Deadline: April 2, Midnight Eastern Time

countdown: (expired on 2023-04-01 21:00:00)

Mod Notes

• If you see vote count errors, please let me know.
  
• 

[hebichan]

VC 1.3

"You! What planet is this?" -- -- McCoy (City on the Edge of Forever)

Mod I'm on rogue

hebichan (4): Aureal, Lay Lambdadelta, PenguinPower, GreyICE
Rogue (3): Wavelength, Porkens, Black
GreyICE (1): hebichan
Black (1): Rogue

Not Voting (13):

Kokichi Oma, KawaiiKame, xyzzy, Frogs

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to eliminate

Deadline: April 2, Midnight Eastern Time

countdown: (expired on 2023-04-01 21:00:00)

Mod Notes

• If you see vote count errors, please let me know.
  
• 

Oops Mod I'm on rogue*

[hebichan]

WHOPPER WHOPPER WHOPPER WHOPPER

You're going to wake up tomorrow and one of you will be so confused.

[hebichan]

Wouldn't it make more sense to wait until your birthday to get it then? Why are you demanding early birthday wishes?

UNVOTE: rogueVOTE: aureal

I encourage everyone in the animal coalition to get on these actually awful posts.

[hebichan]

actually awful posts

Elaborate

Elaborations are scum sided. I just don't like your posts.

[hebichan]

actually awful posts

Elaborate

Elaborations are scum sided. I just don't like your posts.

My posts? I am not the one you voted for

I got your profile picture mixed up and I just woke up not too long ago. Uh sorry, thought you were aureal

[hebichan]

Hebi already in too deep. Maybe you should have kicked off your reunion tour with a Newbie

I was requested to play here by LLD

[hebichan]

Getting false scumread by her day 1 after being requested to come back and immediately being wagoner does make me feel salty.

[hebichan]

Pretty sure it was established I'm a starship infesting snake.

Hello Hebichan. Do you remember me?

Of course I do, I was super excited when I saw you in!

[hebichan]

Does she actually have a scumread on you or was she fishing for reactions in RVS? It's hard for me to tell

I feel like she actually does since she was pushing me after my initial reaction.

[hebichan]

Also, I can't tell if any of the last few pages is serious or not. Buuuuut.. Who had the worst opening and why?

For me it's Frogs than aureal but Frogs says they have reads and there's a hydra bad post qouta that I allow for.

[hebichan]

HNNNNNNNNG maf silver

@hebi iirc I saw somewhere you mentioned a townread on LLD. Why?

Cause I've played a zillion social deception games with her and the way she's playing is just how she plays town.

[hebichan]

@hebi can you explain what LLD's early wolf game is like in comparison?

She tries to buddy harder, normally with someone she doesn't know as well. She's buddying GreyIce but they're also married and that could just be her genuinely scumreading me and wanting to tease me that she was able to get me day one cause honest belief.

[hebichan]

HNNNNNNNNG maf silver

@hebi iirc I saw somewhere you mentioned a townread on LLD. Why?

Cause I've played a zillion social deception games with her and the way she's playing is just how she plays town.

Soooooo how good is she at scumfinding you?

She's right more often then not. But she has a habit of scumreading me early when I'm town every few games, and generally we're playing in real life so things are different.

[hebichan]

I dig.
I like hebi last post
It pings town

~R

I do not agree. Hebi seems a little stiff and overly concerned about LLD's scumread

I'm emotionally hurt about it. I'm her partner too.

[hebichan]

I also consider her in super high regard in terms of convincing people of things so her voting ke in any game always leaves me on edge.

[hebichan]

I'm emotionally hurt about it. I'm her partner too.

If she does it every few games...does it always bother you?

As silly as it is, yes.

[hebichan]

Hebi
What’s your preferred pronouns.

~R

She/her

[hebichan]

I dig.
I like hebi last post
It pings town

~R

I do not agree. Hebi seems a little stiff and overly concerned about LLD's scumread

I'm emotionally hurt about it. I'm her partner too.

ahhh

don't make me feel bad love

i'll make you a deal. I'll keep looking in other places, I won't hyper tunnel you out of this game, I'll give you the space to prove yourself more town.

But you know that if I do that I risk letting you go, yeah? I risk that if I take the pressure off you, the wagon disipates and suddenly you're not killable at the end of the day if I decide you're still my strongest scum read.

So, here's the deal. You can either fight your way out from under this and convince me somehow you're town without the emotional aide.

Or, you can take this deal, I'll let up off you but two conditions

1) If I decide you're scummy at the end of the day, no more bitching that I'm being unfair to you. I love you but I have a duty to my alignment.
2) If for some reason I decide you are scummy at end of this day, and you don't die, if I die, you die right after. Like not instantly, obviously, get your reads in and stuff. But if I let you go, and I die before I can make my move on you because I let you go... you need to agree for the town here that my death causes your death.

That's the deal.

I'll take the deal. I don't have any interest in you dying. Barring you flipping scum of course, but I don't think you will?

I take some issue with the framing there. Me feeling bad doesn't imply you're being unfair. I didn't mean to imply you were doing anything wrong. I just feel bad emotionally, but I can acknowledge my opening likely was bad too.

[hebichan]

I'll take the deal. I don't have any interest in you dying. Barring you flipping scum of course, but I don't think you will?

Didn't you say in 41 that you'd shoot her if you were a vig? Which I believe is part of the reason she's been scumreading you?

That's not why she's scumreading me and we were both on edibles when I posted that. But that's just one of the we have about her being to good to leave alive as any alignment.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: black

Aureal got real

[hebichan]

Post Work Catch Up

Running Thoughts

My

impression

is that I don't think LLD does that to hebichan if they are scum together. Possible, but unlikely. GreyICE's part of the interaction looks more RVS than serious, but that's a

cluster

of OOG stuff I can't personally fathom.

As others have noted, xyzzy's hop onto hebichan's wagon slightly smacks of distancing. I agree that if hebichan is scum, xyzzy is partner-leaning.

I don't see a town motivated reason why Aureal unvotes hebichan in 91. At that point, I don't have a strong townread on hebichan. Aureal doesn't express one either. Why not wagon hebichan? Someone at Y-2 is kinda the end of RVS in my opinion, but Aureal seems to be sticking with goofiness at that point. Regardless of hebichan's alignment, I scumread Aureal for this. hebi's omgus vote on aureal is bad too.

Rogue might be looking for a reason to townread hebi? (130). Also 137 gives me "no we aren't in a scum PT look we are chatting here" vibes.

I find myself agreeing with Black, a lot.

LLD's "deal" with hebi indicates to me she feels in a very dominant position. Again doesn't feel partnered, but also feels NAI on LLD's part.

I'm gutreading Kokichi town but don't get the vote/unvote on GreyICE.

PenguinPower's vote on rogue is puzzling to me combined with the question in 97/220

I don't like hebi's progression on Aureal or her vote on Black.

Similarly don't like Frogs' vote on black and I don't see the relevance of the quoted posts.(235)

Don't like Rogue's "me too me too" 240 about black. Rogue/Frogs/hebichan? But I do think that team would have Rogue on xyzzy's wagon.

Wavelength joins the bad counterwagon on black.

KawaiiKame lots of questions no opinions. baa baa.

---

Black

Kokichi Oma

Lady Lambdadelta
GreyICE
KawaiiKame
PenguinPower

Wavelength
Rogue
Frogs
hebichan
Aureal
xyzzy

I could vote for any of the bottom 6 right now.

Why don't you like my posts? You have so many thoughts on everyone else.

I didn't Iike Aureals post until they started scumhunting. Black seemed like a reasonable pick afterwards. I feel like this is buddying hard.

[hebichan]

Also known as Rogue. I’m the pretty one not to be confused with Gambit who’s the handsome devil.

I like this a lot

it's this post, to be clear.

Also, wow it's 2 posts not 5, lmfao. That's actually incredible I was so high last night.

Anyway, the read is still the case. This is a town post.

How is "I like this a lot" a town post?

I'm confused about that too. Does liking X-Men references have some strange connection to alignment here? I know Sir Patrick Stewart is awesome and all but...

No read of your own? Are they in charge of this game?

I gave a hebi read in 132

Okay, so why bring LLD and Grey up when I asked without referring to your own read?

This one literally right before I switched my vote.

[hebichan]

Huh, ok. I guess that doesn't seem overtly solvey to me.

Mostly I feel that the Black wagon is kinda unfounded and seems in response to counter yours intentionally. I think that mroe than anything is the seed of my read.

I voted black for pressure at first but obviously you don't say that when you vote. I haven't read anything since that's made me feel like moving. Tell me why you think Black is town and I'll see if I find it convincing.

[hebichan]

Black/Porkens def town in this, I'm willing to believe Kokichi is town too
It's likely scum is within the Black/hebi wagons, though it's possible they outside of them

I don't agree. I think if Black is town, Porkens reads heavier scum. I can kinda see the rationale for town black but I don't think it's reasonable for it to be the highest town read in its own category for Porkens. Feels like alignment knowledge and buddying.

[hebichan]

Who should I have at the top?

I dunno. I don't think there's enough game information for you to have any too read here.

[hebichan]

Black/Porkens def town in this, I'm willing to believe Kokichi is town too
It's likely scum is within the Black/hebi wagons, though it's possible they outside of them

I don't agree. I think if Black is town, Porkens reads heavier scum. I can kinda see the rationale for town black but I don't think it's reasonable for it to be the highest town read in its own category for Porkens. Feels like alignment knowledge and buddying.

I feel it's town to defend town, though I'm with you that Black should be above Porkens in being town since Black created the post while Porkens analyzed them

It's NAI to defend town, it's scummy to be the knight in shining armor "you're my top town read" person when they have a decent wagon on them.

[hebichan]

It's likely scum is within the Black/hebi wagons, though it's possible they outside of them

who are the scum you are pointing to here? this is vague handwaving

-sc

It is vague, I'm voicing my thoughts on what's likely/wanting to narrow down who in the Black/hepi wagons is most likely scum, making notes

I'm kinda unfamiliar or just have played with a lot of these people in a long time. Anyone being uncharacteristic in how quiet rhey are since voting?

[hebichan]

It's likely scum is within the Black/hebi wagons, though it's possible they outside of them

who are the scum you are pointing to here? this is vague handwaving

-sc

It is vague, I'm voicing my thoughts on what's likely/wanting to narrow down who in the Black/hepi wagons is most likely scum, making notes

I'm kinda unfamiliar or just have played with a lot of these people in a long time. Anyone being uncharacteristic in how quiet rhey are since voting?

0nly one who fits this is Kokichi

I considered this then considered it could just be bad hours for him.

[hebichan]

It's likely scum is within the Black/hebi wagons, though it's possible they outside of them

who are the scum you are pointing to here? this is vague handwaving

-sc

It is vague, I'm voicing my thoughts on what's likely/wanting to narrow down who in the Black/hepi wagons is most likely scum, making notes

I'm kinda unfamiliar or just have played with a lot of these people in a long time. Anyone being uncharacteristic in how quiet rhey are since voting?

0nly one who fits this is Kokichi

I considered this then considered it could just be bad hours for him.

Definitely possible, the Rogue wagon looked weird to me when I was looking at it in the opening, like I didn't see why Rogue was being voted at all

I dunno. It felt very rvs to me. Hard to read into those. I don't think there's much content to read into until lld scumread me and I feel like she's town and GreyIce hasn't pinged me either way.

I feel most confident of scum in one of black/porkens still, kokichi is pretty weak iso but he's been gone awhile.

Frogs has been better since cakez jumped in, aureal had a few good posts but not the best iso.

You just feel like lost town I guess?

Xyzzy cab be town

Everyone else I want more out of.

[hebichan]

It's likely scum is within the Black/hebi wagons, though it's possible they outside of them

who are the scum you are pointing to here? this is vague handwaving

-sc

It is vague, I'm voicing my thoughts on what's likely/wanting to narrow down who in the Black/hepi wagons is most likely scum, making notes

I'm kinda unfamiliar or just have played with a lot of these people in a long time. Anyone being uncharacteristic in how quiet rhey are since voting?

0nly one who fits this is Kokichi

I considered this then considered it could just be bad hours for him.

Definitely possible, the Rogue wagon looked weird to me when I was looking at it in the opening, like I didn't see why Rogue was being voted at all

I dunno. It felt very rvs to me. Hard to read into those. I don't think there's much content to read into until lld scumread me and I feel like she's town and GreyIce hasn't pinged me either way.

I feel most confident of scum in one of black/porkens still, kokichi is pretty weak iso but he's been gone awhile.

Frogs has been better since cakez jumped in, aureal had a few good posts but not the best iso.

You just feel like lost town I guess?

I am, Idk what to make of the people Idk, the people I do know feel ooc

Once how?

[hebichan]

Sorry, autocorrect...ooc how?

[hebichan]

It's likely scum is within the Black/hebi wagons, though it's possible they outside of them

who are the scum you are pointing to here? this is vague handwaving

-sc

It is vague, I'm voicing my thoughts on what's likely/wanting to narrow down who in the Black/hepi wagons is most likely scum, making notes

I'm kinda unfamiliar or just have played with a lot of these people in a long time. Anyone being uncharacteristic in how quiet rhey are since voting?

0nly one who fits this is Kokichi

I considered this then considered it could just be bad hours for him.

I feel like I lost the plot in this exchange between Hebi and Kawaii. I am seeing:

Kawaii saying that they expect scum to be

inside the people voting black/hebi

. (the alternative is still possible, just less likely)

--(Kawaii is asked for specifics.)

--(Kawaii responds that they are still working through that.)

Hebi asks if anyone has been uncharacteristically quiet since voting. Given the above, I read this as Hebi asking "uncharacteristically quiet since voting [

black/hebi

]"

Kawaii says Kokichi.

[Except Kokichi has never voted for either Black or Hebi.]

Then Hebi soft

agrees with the idea, saying that the considered the same thing

, but saw an alternate explanation.

I meant quiet after voting in general, to clarify. I do see why you read ot that way.

[hebichan]

I agree with hebi's 307 - this could come from wolf!Porkens but I am feeling it is more town motivated

Kawaii's 305 feels more informed than anything Porkens has said imo. I am not sure how Porkens and I are definitely town here and the extra Koki townread seems random. 310 feels informed too

cakez 299 and 311 feels sideliney, saying there is no town thought process behind my posts but not pointing out any examples except a pressure vote on kawaii?

Porkens goes in listing all of these NAI comments on posts acting like they are good reasons to think Black is town when like...none of them are.

Porkens has provided more reasons for town!Black than your slot has provided for wolf!Black. Ali posted a bunch of quotes and said they feel like wolf but no reasoning, and now you are doing similarly here

I do believe Black feels semi lost though in a way she didn't feel b4

I have a feeling it is the lack of contractions. Maybe I sound robotic to you XD

I feel most confident of scum in one of black/porkens still, kokichi is pretty weak iso but he's been gone awhile.

Your initial vote on me was pressure but now I am your most confident scumread, along with the person that townreads me? That is quite the progression. I think you should elaborate on your scumreads of Porkens and I

Porkens is my most confident scumread. Your flip would be more interesting. You flipping town always results in me voting porken tomorrow, you flipping scum would likely make porkens town cause why buddy so close to a scum partner.

[hebichan]

Porkens is my most confident scumread. Your flip would be more interesting. You flipping town always results in me voting porken tomorrow, you flipping scum would likely make porkens town cause why buddy so close to a scum partner.

You did not elaborate on your scumreads at all

Also I think this approach is scummy. You say my flip is more interesting but it just looks like you are taking the easy way out on my mobile wagon instead of starting your own with Porkens

I live with greyice and LLD. All greyice ever does is tell me explaining reads is scummy.

[hebichan]

You can complain about my play but I'm just trying to incorporate stuff I picked up from them and trying to shake the rust off.

[hebichan]

Does she actually have a scumread on you or was she fishing for reactions in RVS? It's hard for me to tell

I feel like she actually does since she was pushing me after my initial reaction.

HNNNNNNNNG maf silver

@hebi iirc I saw somewhere you mentioned a townread on LLD. Why?

Cause I've played a zillion social deception games with her and the way she's playing is just how she plays town.

It seems you only refuse to elaborate on reads when it conveniences you

I will not complain about your play but I do think this is scummy

Then vote me if you think it's scummy.

[hebichan]

Am I at e-1 yet?

[hebichan]

Damn, kinda want out

[hebichan]

I want to claim or fight but my hearts just not into it

[hebichan]

I want to claim or fight but my hearts just not into it

Will you claim for me, so I can evaluate from here?

...for what it's worth, I'm sorry I wasn't able to find my way out of seeing you as scum. Doubly if you are actually town.

Sure, I'm in a third party survivor faction with the ability to flavor cop hunt for borg or former borg and neighborize them when I find them.

[hebichan]

Do you start with anyone in your hood who can corroborate its existance?

No one in my hood but I do have other people in my faction. Not gonna out them since our win con is specifically "achieve numerical parity with all other teams" and it'd probably hurt their chances if I outed.

[hebichan]

Sure, I'm in a third party survivor faction with the ability to flavor cop hunt for borg or former borg and neighborize them when I find them.

wait - faction? or you're a third party survivor?

It's like a weird 3p faction? Idk no night kill but we have like some borg theme going?

I guess kinda like the witches in town of Salem but it reads like we can town side.

[hebichan]

so essentially what you are saying is I found non-town but we are weirdly multiballing.

Yeah. I felt very called out but for tge wrong reason sort of thing.

[hebichan]

When you voted me we were debating if this was multiball or if we were scum cause of our pt but we couldn't find any mention of a night kill in any of our role cards.

[hebichan]

I even gain the abilities of one of my faction members when they die.

[hebichan]

What exactly is "numerical parity with all other teams"? All others put together I would think? Not parity with both town and mafia separately?

And this neighborize former Borg thing doesn't actually add people to your faction?

No, it creates a separate qt from my faction qt. One of my other faction members is an inventor who can give borg players a One shot ability. But the third person in my qt is not a borg flavor wise or ability wise.

Also my flavor claim is Seven Of Nine

[hebichan]

@Hebi, if you reach parity, do you win and leave, or win and end the game?

Win and leave

[hebichan]

How does a survivor

faction

even work? Is this a thing that can actually happen? Does the whole faction win if one of them is alive at the end? How does numerical parity factor in then? Do they win early if there's say, 2 of them and 1 town and 1 mafia? I am so confused.

I didn't get my first choice

VOTE: Rogue

two of my 3 choices were borg, and I did not get either of them

I'm so mad

Hmmmm. I guess that gives some additional credibility to this faction's existence.

HOW THE HELL MANY BORG CHARACTERS ARE THERE EVEN GEEZ

That was my question seeing that I had a neighborize ability and was already in a qt with another borg. How many borg or former borg characters do people even care about?

[hebichan]

Sure, I'm in a third party survivor faction with the ability to flavor cop hunt for borg or former borg and neighborize them when I find them.

No one in my hood but I do have other people in my faction. Not gonna out them since our win con is specifically "achieve numerical parity with all other teams" and it'd probably hurt their chances if I outed.

No, it creates a separate qt from my faction qt. One of my other faction members is an inventor who can give borg players a One shot ability. But the third person in my qt is not a borg flavor wise or ability wise.

I do not feel like all of these things even make sense together.

You are borg/former borg.
One your our faction mates is borg themed, and already in a PT with you.
But then you are targeting other former borg to add to different, unrelated borg hood.

That would imply that there are a LOT of borg out there. You+your faction mate + other people for you to hunt down.

Why do you think I didn't want to have to claim? This role makes no sense.

[hebichan]

Like yeah. I am aware that all of that is insane sounding.

Edit: Kawaii could verify my neighborizer ability

[hebichan]

I requested the borg queen and seven of nine, and got neither.

I would not be surprised if someone is out there that is Picard, and falls under a "borg / used to be borg" title. (I could even see this as the 3rd both in the borg faction that Hebi did not think was borg in flavor for what its worth)

But I don't think I could name a single other borg off the top of my head?

No, the third member of our faction is not janeway or Picard, and the wiki entry never mentions they were a borg and our factions flavor isn't even borg themed

[hebichan]

I mean look, my neighborhood power is very confirmed if you have like borg collective, Picard or janeway. I can verify with anyone who claims including kawaii.

[hebichan]

Flipping also wouldn't be the worst since it would verify my faction doesn't have a night kill and make it safer for my faction to interact. But lld knows I love neighborizers.

[hebichan]

I can't force then to out themselves but it would be preferable

[hebichan]

Flipping also wouldn't be the worst since it would verify my faction doesn't have a night kill and make it safer for my faction to interact. But lld knows I love neighborizers.

I do. I do know.

I want any reason not to kill you here, I literally do.

What if I had my partner give an invention to kawaii?

[hebichan]

I can't force then to out themselves but it would be preferable

you can claim who they are?

Does that violate rule 3 if not outing scum partners if they are also non town?

[hebichan]

Kind of in a stalemate in the qt about playing to my outs vs them playing to theirs.

[hebichan]

also I'm getting fuckin' turbo shot this game btw

so if anyone picked fucking Bones and wants to save my ass tonight I'd love that

For finding a 3p faction based on your personal history with them?

C'mon, we've got 10 days left before deadline, why are we trying to determine who is protect-worthy already, or at all?

This is an LLD day one shot lol

I’m townreading her

That is a very rare thing

Ribbit

I think I speak for everyone when I ask what rabbit means in this context

[hebichan]

What if she's mafia who thought there was a 3P and that's why she went all-out on hebi? Wouldn't mafia want to figure out the 3P, maybe even moreso than town who's just clueless to its existence?

If she doesn’t kill groupscum by like day three we can revisit

But she’s town lmao

i sort of feel like i'm obligated to kill you to prove your claim, Claire.

The only other world where I don't is if one of your partners comes out and goes "yes this is real and i'm part of the faction too"

at which point I'm willing to entertain that you might be able to win alongside town somehow.

I am also taking this to mean you aren't a borg in flavor.

[hebichan]

I really like 333. good analysis there. one small thing I think is interesting is Black directly calling out that not using contractions might sound robotic -- I wouldn't be inclined to point that out as scum.

338 onwards -- PenguinPower is town. scum does not take eight posts across 5 minutes to wiggle on around to voting on someone (even if it's me)

the interaction between Black and hebichan starting at 350 is very interesting. not sure what it means, but hey

355 oh my god don't spill the plan directly in the thread :/

357 fwiw, in response to GreyICE a post or two later, if someone asked me to coordinate RVS like that as scum, I'd probably be like "sure, whatever, let's do it," but I would never originate a plan like that on my own

358 for the record, I wasn't dodging the question so much as being dismissive of it. that being said, to me the function of RVS is to create tension that can be shaped into reads. voting in a way that creates tension pushes the game in the direction of having things actually happen. jumping on the hebichan wagon turns that wagon into a Thing The Game Is About, which in turn lets people generate reads.

359 don't love this! reads very youth pastor trying to be cool with the teens in a scummy way

quick confession: whenever I've seen a post by KawaiiKame I've just been like "ah! it's my good friend Luz Noceda posting," so I didn't notice their username until like page 8 or 9. I kept seeing people refer to "Kawaii" and being like "hm, not sure which player that is. guess that's a problem for future me to figure out."

btw I'm moving my vote to Aureal at the end of this post because of 359, but I'm just pointing out here that I could see hebi scum being a thing. I put the vote at the end of my Notepad++ document before 368, but you're just gonna have to take my word that me moving my vote isn't a scum buddy maneuver.

god I just watched the page count go up by like 2 while I was responding to posts on page 16. wish me luck

381 I don't care for the "that was pocketing?" comment. on the one hand I'd be willing to believe that Aureal genuinely isn't sure whether daytalk is a default thing or how PTs work. on the other hand I still get such bad vibes from 359, and this doesn't really mitigate those.

just checked: my last scum game was mini 2051 by schadd. thanks, schadd. I got hammered on the day I went to sheetz while driving to Buffalo. makes you think.

404 Frogs barely acknowledged hebichan at all before this vote. concerning.

405 I don't hate this.[/post]

406 I know I said earlier that I would not be prepared to read LLD but this could be scum behavior

408 lol, lmao. hebi, if you haven't done so between now and whenever I'm caught up on the thread, I'd love to hear your role name.

425 this is very, very interesting for reasons I will not be elaborating on at this time.

446 figured this was probably it, but good to have confirmation.

459 good shit!

462fwiw I very strongly considered putting the salamander babies on my list. I could see someone putting something silly and obscure like a random specific borg.

464 okay just to clarify, you know the role name of the other borg, and it's someone who

isn't

a canon borg?

489 it's not out of the question imo

517 changed my mind from 406. this is town LLD

frogs, I'd forgotten who was in your hydra until it came up just now. alisae, one of the games I opened trying to find my last scum game was [url=viewtopic.php?t=79232]micro 862[/post]. good shit

VOTE: Aureal

To clarify for you, as I said. Team of three. One member is a Canon borg character, the third is not a borg at all. Our faction is not borg themed and the third members role is not flavored or related to borgs at all, in abilities, fluff or anything.

[hebichan]

My role name is "Seven of Nine, Borg liason"

[hebichan]

What if she's mafia who thought there was a 3P and that's why she went all-out on hebi? Wouldn't mafia want to figure out the 3P, maybe even moreso than town who's just clueless to its existence?

Yeah, no. She's just tunneled.

VOTE: aureal

[hebichan]

Also I am sorry that I have introduced the information hazard that us multiball into the game but my flipping will not clarify anything

[hebichan]

So a non-town claim.

Vote: Hebi

I will not go into a long explanation of why this is always, always, always, always the correct move. A brief summary:

- The moderator has not confirmed the existence of a non-hostile, non-town faction. There's no evidence it exists. There's a known non-town faction - it's Mafia. Occam's Razor.
- Fferyllt likes fairly vanilla roles. For instance their design document for Tarot Mafia, despite having an incredibly complicated picking procedure, has mostly "modified vanilla" roles: viewtopic.php?p=12857475#p12857475
- It's a mini normal, 13 players doesn't give much room for a non-town, non-hostile faction.
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It's day 1, we're guaranteed not to eliminate town by doing this

The last one should be the only one that matters.

But have you considered my worst argument, my birthday is next week and it would hurt my feelings.

[hebichan]

So if I am understanding this correctly... if hebi's faction wins, town does not lose? I do not know if hebi is being 100% truthful about the claim and I think it would be in her best interest to leave some stuff out. I think this is a good lim option but I do not think we rush it

@hebi is gaining your dead faction members abilities unique to your role or do the other people in your faction have that power too?

Also maybe you said this and I missed it but does your neighborization thingy recruit them to the faction and count toward the numerical parity?

It doesn't recruit them to the faction, no idea if it counts to my win con.

My ability to gain my dead members powers only counts to the other borg in my faction, no other borg. It specifically names the player and not the role.

[hebichan]

And yes its unique to me. Doesn't work for them if I die.

[hebichan]

So a non-town claim.

Vote: Hebi

I will not go into a long explanation of why this is always, always, always, always the correct move. A brief summary:

- The moderator has not confirmed the existence of a non-hostile, non-town faction. There's no evidence it exists. There's a known non-town faction - it's Mafia. Occam's Razor.
- Fferyllt likes fairly vanilla roles. For instance their design document for Tarot Mafia, despite having an incredibly complicated picking procedure, has mostly "modified vanilla" roles: viewtopic.php?p=12857475#p12857475
- It's a mini normal, 13 players doesn't give much room for a non-town, non-hostile faction.
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It's day 1, we're guaranteed not to eliminate town by doing this

The last one should be the only one that matters.

Also as someone who doesn't regularly play fferey upicks I can tell you this does not fit the experience of my role at all. Nothing semi vanilla about it.

[hebichan]

Not a fan of LLD's doc leading in 504 but other than this I TR this slot for the most part and I like their posts during the hebi reveal in particular

Frogs echoing the doc lead in 507 feels bad. The case on me feels weak and forced, like someone put red glasses on and read my iso

Agree with Aureal in 510 for pointing out the doc lead

Strong townread on xyzzy's 534. I like the tone here

@Rogue I also have a recent game with Aureal. I mentioned earlier she seems different but I cannot tell if it is AI

I like Grey's stance on hebi in 546. A hebi elim is not a town elim, and in the chance that hebi is lying about winning the game and leaving then we should probably think about reducing the Borg's numbers

Again...not in a borg faction. My ability specifically targets borg flavor.

[hebichan]

And yes its unique to me. Doesn't work for them if I die.

So you are the leader then?

I'm the liason, as I said before

[hebichan]

People considering not killing hebi might be interesting, but I have not really looked at it all that closely

I'm considering not killing hebi for character reasons, though killing hebi is pro-town

I would appreciate it if no other reasons than I want more qts to talk in.

[hebichan]

I say hebi outs her partners or we eliminate her. If they “win with town” what’s the downside?

I said before I'm pretty sure that's against the rules

[hebichan]

Said it before, I'm okay with me flipping as it will confirm some things

[hebichan]

VOTE: hebi

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