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Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:53 am

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Emojus :thinking:
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Post Post #9 (isolation #1) » Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:01 am

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Shall we play some mafia
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Post Post #34 (isolation #2) » Tue Mar 14, 2023 1:55 pm

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Selfing already, we only just started D;
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Post Post #53 (isolation #3) » Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:18 pm

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My name in Ranger's lists crashed harder than Greece's economy
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Post Post #55 (isolation #4) » Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:20 pm

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Penguin what do you make of the LLD/Ranger thing
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Post Post #57 (isolation #5) » Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:22 pm

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Do you not think self-voting is always weird?
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Post Post #83 (isolation #6) » Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:34 am

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Ethel same, me every game
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Post Post #90 (isolation #7) » Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:00 am

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In post 86, Detective Penguin wrote:
In post 83, furtiveglance wrote: Ethel same, me every game
furtive scumtell #1 has made its appearance.
I think I'm always self-deprecating
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Post Post #117 (isolation #8) » Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:01 am

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Morbin time
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Post Post #118 (isolation #9) » Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:02 am

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I want to get the game going a bit more including all players

Even best case scenario if Ranger flips scum it's like ok LLD is town and what else

I'd like to get more out of today
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Post Post #200 (isolation #10) » Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:48 pm

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I'm not sure for reads at the moment
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Post Post #220 (isolation #11) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:12 am

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I think Korina and Umlaut are town so far, how's that?
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Post Post #222 (isolation #12) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:17 am

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I think town are more likely to do a big list of dislikes, I think scumreads are more +town than townreads, especially early on
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Post Post #238 (isolation #13) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:44 am

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In post 236, Gimli wrote: furtive townreading korina for something that's as close as you can get from reading a player mechanically (posting more scumreads than townreads) is not great and feels informed. I don't agree with sail's take on it but I think they had a towny perspective about furtive and I'm townleaning that approach
Gimli seems off, fake, this doesn't look like a real Gimli thought
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Post Post #241 (isolation #14) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:24 am

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I pretty consistently look for people actively scumhunting to townread.

So your read on me looks like uncharitable
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Post Post #245 (isolation #15) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:32 am

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LLD, what's the tell?
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Post Post #263 (isolation #16) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 6:59 am

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In post 248, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 245, furtiveglance wrote: LLD, what's the tell?
Why would I say that if I'm gonna run into Ranger again lol
Because we're playing this game now, and you need to back up your push with something?
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Post Post #403 (isolation #17) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:59 pm

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How do you follow through on 2 medium strength townreads at this stage
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Post Post #405 (isolation #18) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 2:07 pm

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I'm undecided on the main wagon, which is you.
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Post Post #416 (isolation #19) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:08 pm

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In post 409, Detective Penguin wrote: meh

VOTE: furtive

that's probably e-1 idrc I just want this day over
I didn't realise there was a wagon on me at all.

I'm a Night 1 Cop.
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Post Post #417 (isolation #20) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:09 pm

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All I wanted to do was survive to get my check done and now I can't even do that
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Post Post #418 (isolation #21) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:12 pm

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Wagon on me looks properly disgusting.

redFF is clearly scum from the way he talks about doing nothing as town

I don't know what that means for Ranger's alignment. Ranger is 100% a better kill than me though obviously.

STD probably scum on my wagon, Cephrir also has potential.
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Post Post #419 (isolation #22) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:14 pm

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This is the first time I've ever had a Cop role and I'm not even gonna get to use it.

First investigative of any kind I think.
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Post Post #421 (isolation #23) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:18 pm

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In post 420, Detective Penguin wrote: UNVOTE:

would be happy not to believe you but meh

your day play today has been very underwhelming as town
LLD tunnel on Ranger sort of took over the day, and I found that interaction hard to read

Tried to give some reads on other players, apparently that was too surface-level and TMI

Several players are also being hypocritical.

You for instance haven't done anything extraordinary (do you ever?), and Ceph and STD are coasting as usual.
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Post Post #423 (isolation #24) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:20 pm

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This wagon on me makes me very grrrr

I have no faith in this group to get a town win whatsoever, even though this setup should be townsided.

I wanted to play a quiet day and do my check
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Post Post #424 (isolation #25) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:21 pm

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In post 422, Detective Penguin wrote: way to project instead of own...I would be happy to get rid of you for that alone if you didn't have to now die or confirm a slot
Yeah I'll own my terrible crimes...of what exactly?

Not posting every 5 minutes?

In that case Radical Rat should be up in flames
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Post Post #427 (isolation #26) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:22 pm

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In post 425, Detective Penguin wrote: yeah - that's not ever how this game works. stop whining and do your stuff.
what

I want to do my stuff but I'm obviously gonna die now
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Post Post #429 (isolation #27) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:23 pm

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In post 426, Detective Penguin wrote:
In post 424, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 422, Detective Penguin wrote: way to project instead of own...I would be happy to get rid of you for that alone if you didn't have to now die or confirm a slot
Yeah I'll own my terrible crimes...of what exactly?

Not posting every 5 minutes?

In that case Radical Rat should be up in flames
not actually stating shit? not actually taking a hard stance on...anything? just kinda being....a player?
Yeah I said what I actually thought which was that I wasn't sure.

If I just randomly lied and said I thought Ranger was scum or I thought Ranger was town for sure, would that be better?

I've been honest with my opinions.
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Post Post #432 (isolation #28) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:25 pm

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In post 430, Detective Penguin wrote:
In post 427, furtiveglance wrote: I want to do my stuff but I'm obviously gonna die now
sure seems like being a n1 cop would involve trying to not do things that results in being suspected d1...maybe
I wanted to play a quieter D1 than usual...then I suddenly see that I'm E-1. FML
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Post Post #433 (isolation #29) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:25 pm

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The way it puts my words right under the quote even if I add a line break myself...is unreasonably infuriating
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Post Post #442 (isolation #30) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:42 pm

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In post 437, Korina wrote: Ranger claimed n1 too, and like... I feel like everyone getting ran up today will just claim n1.
This comment seems uncharacteristically thoughtless...

Do you think town will lie, or do you think everyone getting ran up D1 is scum?
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Post Post #450 (isolation #31) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:46 pm

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Cephrir really desperate for my elimination...embarrassingly thirsty for it
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Post Post #456 (isolation #32) » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:51 pm

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If Cephrir was town who strongly scumread me here he'd recognise that it's mechanically correct to let me live regardless.

You've misjudged things my furry friend
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Post Post #593 (isolation #33) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:43 am

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What's the VC at? I'll vote red.
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Post Post #599 (isolation #34) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:56 am

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VOTE: redFF
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Post Post #658 (isolation #35) » Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:38 pm

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Yh I was about to die
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Post Post #687 (isolation #36) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 6:10 am

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Hey guys

Ranger protect me tonight
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Post Post #723 (isolation #37) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:12 am

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How do I help to progress this day
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Post Post #734 (isolation #38) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:21 pm

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I'm not scum.

I've been busy
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Post Post #748 (isolation #39) » Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:24 pm

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I personally said LLD's tunnel itself, but yeah your reaction is also strange because I would never self-vote, nor do you seem to consider your elimination the best outcome anymore. In fact it looks like you dropped that quite quickly.
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Post Post #832 (isolation #40) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 9:33 am

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I like the idea of redFF elim, Ranger protects me.
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Post Post #843 (isolation #41) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:02 pm

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Why did Enchant unvote redFF, bit sus
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Post Post #846 (isolation #42) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:12 pm

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Yeah ok

Does someone want to set that up then
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Post Post #852 (isolation #43) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:28 pm

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Too much maths
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Post Post #854 (isolation #44) » Sun Mar 19, 2023 1:30 pm

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I'll come into the dead thread with a red check knowing my luck
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Post Post #914 (isolation #45) » Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:35 am

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Every N1 Doc on me pls. We need all hands on deck!
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Post Post #929 (isolation #46) » Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:31 pm

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I got a guilty result last night.
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Post Post #931 (isolation #47) » Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:36 pm

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I want people to play as usual for a bit first. Just to see what happens!
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Post Post #935 (isolation #48) » Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:41 pm

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In post 932, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 931, furtiveglance wrote: I want people to play as usual for a bit first. Just to see what happens!
that's...

but you said you had a guilty which already skews it.
It skews it in a way
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Post Post #943 (isolation #49) » Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:34 pm

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Once I claim it people will just vote.

Maybe in the morning
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Post Post #965 (isolation #50) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:04 am

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Cephrir is Mafia, that's my check.

I'd probably guess Ranger and Kawaii for the other 2 but could be others idk
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Post Post #970 (isolation #51) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:37 am

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I chose Cephrir because I can't really read him
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Post Post #983 (isolation #52) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:50 am

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I think Enchant, Gimli and Umlaut are town.

VOTE: Cephrir
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Post Post #985 (isolation #53) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 7:52 am

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I did think this setup was townsided when signing up

Too many cops

Glad I got town
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Post Post #1050 (isolation #54) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:37 am

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If you kill me first we lose a day, it's very simple

Vote cephrir + I die in the night is a lot better than

Vote me + vote cephrir tomorrow

LLD equating the 2 is really dumb
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Post Post #1054 (isolation #55) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:39 am

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Radical Rat is doing some really strange mental gymnastics that are possibly outside their townrange
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Post Post #1059 (isolation #56) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:41 am

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In post 1054, furtiveglance wrote: Radical Rat is doing some really strange mental gymnastics that are possibly outside their townrange
+ RR piggybacking on LLD's idea without mentioning a read on me or Ceph, just considering the hypothetical is wack.

At least LLD is taking a (wrong) stance reads-wise
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Post Post #1063 (isolation #57) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:44 am

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In post 1057, Radical Rat wrote: VOTE: furtiveglance

Another consideration is that I don't think checking Cephrir made sense. I think given the way things ended last night, Ranger would have been the best option to check, though that may be personal bias.

But also the quotes Cephrir shared do seem to negate the stated reasoning of not being able to read him.
Ranger's getting voted inevitably let's be honest. That would have been a waste of a check

Also, Ceph is a somewhat biased source.
In Legends of the Hidden Temple, I fluctuated on my read on him, both in the main thread and in my PT.
Idk what our other T/S game is, but I did read him wrong in Warrior cats (T/T)
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Post Post #1066 (isolation #58) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:44 am

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In post 1062, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 1060, Enchant wrote:
In post 1057, Radical Rat wrote: VOTE: furtiveglance

Ranger would have been the best option to check
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn
I mean she's been incredibly polarizing and has expressed the position that the game won't progress healthily without her being resolved.

A cop check is an opportunity to resolve her without spending a day eliminating her, so that's what I'd have done.
Does this TMI town!Ranger?
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Post Post #1075 (isolation #59) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:47 am

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LLD, can you just do a quick gamestate check?

RR is scum piggybacking on your idea.

Enchant is town.

Gimli is town.

Both of the above are trying to talk sense.
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Post Post #1080 (isolation #60) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:50 am

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I haven't insulted you. I called your idea dumb because it is. Do you want me to say it's smart to kill me?
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Post Post #1084 (isolation #61) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:51 am

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Logic being defined very loosely at the moment
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Post Post #1088 (isolation #62) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:53 am

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In post 1083, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1080, furtiveglance wrote: I haven't insulted you. I called your idea dumb because it is. Do you want me to say it's smart to kill me?
Yes. I have proven empirically that trusting the cop claim is wrong here as a default stance.

So i will kill the one I think is more scummy. Right now that is you.

Your best move is to show yourself town not argue with something I will never change my mind on.
You're out of touch with the reality of my perspective.

Do you really think I, as a Cop with a guilty, should be advocating for my own elimination like Ranger was yesterday?

Answer honestly.
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Post Post #1097 (isolation #63) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:57 am

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Ok. Well it seems to me at the moment that you're going one step further than just saying "a guilty is just a 50/50" (when I think it's more like 70/30 anyway) and trying to argue that it's better to kill me because 'logic' - remember your post comparing the worlds?
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Post Post #1100 (isolation #64) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:59 am

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In post 1077, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1071, Gimli wrote: btw furtive I agree with you this is way outside of what I think of RR's town game
RR is repeating word for word my prose. My takes.

Why is RR scum for agreeing with me when I am not scum for pushing it?

Or do you think my town game is so weak I would push a bad take that scum hop onto?
Answer to this is that whether or not your ideas are bad or weak or whatever, they are misguided, and RR is using you yeah.
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Post Post #1102 (isolation #65) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:00 am

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In post 1091, Ranger wrote:
In post 1066, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 1062, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 1060, Enchant wrote:
In post 1057, Radical Rat wrote: VOTE: furtiveglanceRanger would have been the best option to check
daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn
I mean she's been incredibly polarizing and has expressed the position that the game won't progress healthily without her being resolved.

A cop check is an opportunity to resolve her without spending a day eliminating her, so that's what I'd have done.
Does this TMI town!Ranger?
No, but should.

VOTE: furtiveglance

I agree it comes down to which is the townier slot. That’s Cephrir.

I believe furtiveglance has Perspective slipped, revealing himself to be scum.
I should clarify the Perspective slip is far from the only reason. It is simply the reason I can most immediately comment on from my phone.
We can all agree that Ceph flips Ranger here right

They are clearly paired.
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Post Post #1105 (isolation #66) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:01 am

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In post 1101, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1097, furtiveglance wrote: Ok. Well it seems to me at the moment that you're going one step further than just saying "a guilty is just a 50/50" (when I think it's more like 70/30 anyway) and trying to argue that it's better to kill me because 'logic' - remember your post comparing the worlds?
It's only 70/30 in closed games. Open games with easy fake claims it's more 50/50
I think there are more players in this game who would rather not claim guilties as scum than those who would. That's why I think 70/30.
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Post Post #1106 (isolation #67) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:02 am

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Waste of a check bc the goal of a Cop check is to hit scum not town - so if you got Ranger town then you get a green check, preventing 1 mc. Better to let the slot be eliminated.
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Post Post #1107 (isolation #68) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:03 am

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I'm gonna go now but pretty sure Ranger and Rat are the pardners.
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Post Post #1117 (isolation #69) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:26 am

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In post 1115, Ethel wrote: VOTE: furtiveglance
There seem to be valid arguments for both sides of this but in the end it comes down to everyone's own decision.
You can't just drop a vote unexplained.

Which arguments are convincing you?
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Post Post #1123 (isolation #70) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:52 am

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In post 1121, Gimli wrote: furtive I'm not saving you cause I think you'll have a nicer time in dead thread than here
At least do the bare minimum and vote correctly.
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Post Post #1126 (isolation #71) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:58 am

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LLD, Umlaut, STD: Our hopes of a correct elimination apparently rest on you now.
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Post Post #1130 (isolation #72) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:35 pm

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In post 1128, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1126, furtiveglance wrote: LLD, Umlaut, STD: Our hopes of a correct elimination apparently rest on you now.
why doesn't this list contain kawaiikame
I forgot my man existed I'll keep it 100
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Post Post #1131 (isolation #73) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:35 pm

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In post 1130, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 1128, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1126, furtiveglance wrote: LLD, Umlaut, STD: Our hopes of a correct elimination apparently rest on you now.
why doesn't this list contain kawaiikame
I forgot my man existed I'll keep it 100
Besides, it only takes 6 to hammer.
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Post Post #1135 (isolation #74) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:38 pm

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In post 1132, Cephrir wrote: or you just assumed your partner would vote me
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Post Post #1136 (isolation #75) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:39 pm

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In post 1134, Gimli wrote: you guys are both mafia, is that it? lmao
I never bus; bussing is betrayal
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Post Post #1139 (isolation #76) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:42 pm

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In post 1138, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1136, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 1134, Gimli wrote: you guys are both mafia, is that it? lmao
I never bus; bussing is betrayal
the nerve to post this after bussing me for the entirety of 2289
You literally begged me!

Anyway, that's clearly not what's happening here.
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Post Post #1141 (isolation #77) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:47 pm

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In post 1140, Gimli wrote: ceph/furtive/lld please flea make it happen
Yeah just change our roles around now to make Gimli happy
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Post Post #1144 (isolation #78) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:56 pm

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In post 1143, Umlaut wrote: Speaking of Kawaii I'd like it if we could wait for them to say, like, anything of substance at all, before the day ends?
Umlaut talk about the important thing: who are you going to vote?
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Post Post #1146 (isolation #79) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:00 pm

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In post 1145, Umlaut wrote: If I had to pick now, you
Why
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Post Post #1149 (isolation #80) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:02 pm

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In post 1147, Umlaut wrote: Cephrir has read town to me so far, which I would normally ignore because I'd say there's no reason as scum for you to 1v1 them, but in this scenario there sort of is because you had to give a cop result anyway.
Why is Ceph reading town
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Post Post #1152 (isolation #81) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:09 pm

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In post 1150, Umlaut wrote:
In post 1149, furtiveglance wrote:Why is Ceph reading town
Tone, activity level, solviness, je ne sais quoi. I haven't reread and can't really back this up at the moment, if I could I'd be voting.
He just has un certain je ne sais quoi

What a good reason that's so easy for me to refute

Activity level? This isn't mafia.gg

Tone - Cephrir always has the same tone.

Solviness - it's easily faked.

I think all of these things would be rendered moot if you read any of Cephrir's scumgames
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Post Post #1153 (isolation #82) » Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:13 pm

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In post 1151, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1150, Umlaut wrote:
In post 1149, furtiveglance wrote:Why is Ceph reading town
Tone, activity level, solviness, je ne sais quoi. I haven't reread and can't really back this up at the moment, if I could I'd be voting.
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Post Post #1167 (isolation #83) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:01 am

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The fact that LLD is thinking Ranger is bussing me here is genuinely mindblowing. How naive do you have to be to think the scumteam is that desperate?
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Post Post #1168 (isolation #84) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:01 am

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Can some sensible people start voting correctly?
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Post Post #1173 (isolation #85) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:12 am

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Are people really scumreading me for not claiming immediately?
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Post Post #1174 (isolation #86) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:18 am

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I'm thinking about this setup, and I'm wondering whether it's good to mass claim whether you're a Cop or a Doc. If you get a 7/6 split, you know at least 1 in the 7 group is Mafia. If you get 8/5, 2 in the 8 are Mafia, and if 9/4, 3 in the 9 are Mafia. Now obviously Mafia will try to create a 7/6 split, probably by claiming 2/1 themselves, but this could in theory lead to an 8/4 split if it's 6/4 among the town. And if we could engineer the order of the mass claim to make scummier slots go first, we could get some info out of it.

As for potential disadvantages, I don't know if there are any. Is it even good for Mafia to kill Cops or Docs? As long as no one claims the night they act, I don't think it helps mafia much.
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Post Post #1175 (isolation #87) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:19 am

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8/5 not 8/4^
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Post Post #1177 (isolation #88) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:35 am

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oh ok
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Post Post #1180 (isolation #89) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:24 am

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It's both ridiculous and scandalous, to be sure.

I can't wait for all the manoeuvring and finger pointing tomorrow, as everyone who voted for me decries everyone else who did as scum.
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Post Post #1222 (isolation #90) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:30 am

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Ceph is scummier. I saw it with my own eyes
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Post Post #1234 (isolation #91) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:00 am

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I'm on E-1 how fun
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Post Post #1236 (isolation #92) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:02 am

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When I flip I'll still probably get blamed for how I played or something, I don't think certain players are capable of humility
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Post Post #1237 (isolation #93) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:02 am

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In post 1235, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In post 1233, Cephrir wrote: i have a solve that i like too much right now to accommodate STD in it but page me in a couple days if i'm alive
C'est quoi ça?
Right, Cephrir's solve will definitely be useful when I flip
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Post Post #1245 (isolation #94) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:16 am

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In post 1240, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:


For me... One scum in Korina Ranger
One scum in Furtive Ceph

One scum in Ceph STD
Who's the common denominator there
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Post Post #1246 (isolation #95) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:17 am

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I know no one will listen to my legacy, but for what it's worth I think Ranger is 100% scum and Radical Rat about 80%.
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Post Post #1250 (isolation #96) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:20 am

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In post 1249, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: Does towm ceph really say that to Fen.
I think I have some relevant information here. I uh...I cop checked Cephrir and it came up bad
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Post Post #1252 (isolation #97) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:23 am

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In post 1251, Cephrir wrote: yes i do

hope that helps
yes I do...also say that as town

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Post Post #1254 (isolation #98) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:51 am

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In post 1253, Radical Rat wrote: I don't see why furtive's partner(s) would be undecided?

Voting a guilty result is a perfectly reasonable course of action that would be silly to call someone scum for, so I don't see why they'd be hesitant to jump on that. Unless it's somehow furtive/Ceph, but.... that's a very silly world.
Yeah, so do you think the team is me, Gimli and Enchant? Otherwise, what is your claimed worldview?
  • I'm scum
  • My partners are either voting with me or hesitant, which you just said they aren't.
At least put a bit of effort in rather than coming up with some garbage like this just to try and show a thought process.
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Post Post #1256 (isolation #99) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:53 am

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In post 1255, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1253, Radical Rat wrote: I don't see why furtive's partner(s) would be undecided?

Voting a guilty result is a perfectly reasonable course of action that would be silly to call someone scum for, so I don't see why they'd be hesitant to jump on that. Unless it's somehow furtive/Ceph, but.... that's a very silly world.
kawaii hasn't posted in quite a while
Yeah he must be my partner, since only Mafia ever coast... -_-
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Post Post #1258 (isolation #100) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:56 am

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In post 1257, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1256, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 1255, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1253, Radical Rat wrote: I don't see why furtive's partner(s) would be undecided?

Voting a guilty result is a perfectly reasonable course of action that would be silly to call someone scum for, so I don't see why they'd be hesitant to jump on that. Unless it's somehow furtive/Ceph, but.... that's a very silly world.
kawaii hasn't posted in quite a while
Yeah he must be my partner, since only Mafia ever coast... -_-
you literally just accused someone of coming up with some garbage to try and show a thought process and then made this post as though "coasting" is my case when i have already outlined exactly why i think kawaii is your partner

the enchant school of scumplay
I mean I have ignored most of your posting today
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Post Post #1260 (isolation #101) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:08 am

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In post 1259, Cephrir wrote: a little tired of the just outright making shit up today

try a little please
I will write a poem without the aid of ChatGPT to show my effort in this game

There once was a Mafia game
The Kingdom of Zeal its name
I will tell you now of its fame
That legendary Mafia game

There were 13 players all told
Some young, but others were old
Some good, but others' hearts cold
Those 13 players all told

I, furtiveglance, was a Cop
My task was the mafia to bop
On Day 1 I avoided the chop
Yes I furtiveglance was a Cop

Night 1 I checked Cephrir the Red
No magic found under his bed
He must have been Earthbound it said
Yes Cephrir was seen to be Red

On Day 2 the players were stuck
Although I had received good luck
They thought I was shady as fuck
On Day 2 those players were stuck

There you go, I tried a little
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Post Post #1265 (isolation #102) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:23 am

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Ceph you do a poem
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Post Post #1267 (isolation #103) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:24 am

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In post 1264, Cephrir wrote: my cat made a million typos in that post and then posted it somehow

it is so silly that i've repeatedly shown inconsistencies in this dude's mindset and he's got a poem and we're really still having a think about it
What inconsistencies

I really did check you because you're hard to read. I must have forgot that I'd correctly called you embarrassingly thirsty to eliminate me, a N1 Cop, the day before
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Post Post #1270 (isolation #104) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:28 am

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In post 1269, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1265, furtiveglance wrote: Ceph you do a poem
if i do, mine will be better so be careful what you wish for
Do it then. I challenge you to an ABAB rhyme scheme
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Post Post #1272 (isolation #105) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:29 am

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Spoiler:
In post 1268, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 1254, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 1253, Radical Rat wrote: I don't see why furtive's partner(s) would be undecided?

Voting a guilty result is a perfectly reasonable course of action that would be silly to call someone scum for, so I don't see why they'd be hesitant to jump on that. Unless it's somehow furtive/Ceph, but.... that's a very silly world.
Yeah, so do you think the team is me, Gimli and Enchant? Otherwise, what is your claimed worldview?
  • I'm scum
  • My partners are either voting with me or hesitant, which you just said they aren't.
At least put a bit of effort in rather than coming up with some garbage like this just to try and show a thought process.
You're right. I haven't been putting as much thought into complete solves as I should have been. Even on an individual basis, my reads just aren't as strong as they usually are by this point in a game. Probably a symptom of me not being here for the start, but in any case, I should be attempting a more holistic approach here.

Ranger is my strongest scumread. Even that isn't as confident as I was on her yesterday, but she's the only one existing outside of "lean" territory right now.

For you, I don't think your stated motivations quite line up, and I think that you're the correct elimination from a purely mechanical point of view... but I don't think Ranger's behavior toward you makes sense if you're both scum. And I don't think the kill makes sense if you're both Town. So I'll either owe her an apology or a tunnel based on your flip, I guess.

Cephrir I have weird vibes on from D1, but the behavior that struck me as odd was his attitude toward the claims, where it felt like he just really wanted to get one of you eliminated, but that also only works if Ranger's Town, and today I think he's been talking a lot of sense. It's also very unlikely he's scum with you, so I don't know who would be viable partners?

Umlaut has been agreeing with and praising me a lot, and it makes me uneasy, but that again comes down to whether Ranger is Town, since I don't think bussing is something worth doing when the game's full of cops.

Kawaii and Ethel need to do more, but I can't form reads on what isn't there. Gut leans Town on both though.

Gimli I think has been deliberately misrepresentative and reductive, and I don't trust him as such. But also I felt the same way about him in Mutiny, and was very wrong most of the game because of it, so I'm trying to keep an open mind for now.

Enchant... I think I lean scum? It doesn't seem like he's being genuine, but it does still feel very on-brand for him.

StD I'm fairly comfortable with being Town. Nothing I've seen from him so far has raised any alarms.

LLD is probably Town as well. Whether you agree with her or not, it very much reads to me like she's genuinely attempting to solve the game, and I don't think she'd be so easily frustrated if she already knew she was lying.


So from there, the only viable full solve IS you/Gimli/Enchant... which requires me to townread Ranger, which I'm not really comfortable doing... but it would also be extremely silly to vote outside the 1v1 today, and at the moment you look worse than Cephrir to me, a viable solve exists even if I'm not quite satisfied with it, and eliminating you has mechanical backing.


Sorry for the wall with no real progression. When I started thinking about this, I thought I might actually have changed my mind, but... I didn't.


You're hiding behind the word mechanical here. What's the idea you're trying to express? Know that you can't piggyback on LLD anymore, since she's apparently voting me on a social read, and considers it equal mechanically.
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Post Post #1280 (isolation #106) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:43 am

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In post 1273, Radical Rat wrote: As I said before, if we're to assume the worst case scenario and flip whichever of you is Town, you don't have an ability anymore, Cephrir (allegedly) does. Therefore, in the absence of other factors, you're the better elimination. That other factors are also pushing me towards you and not Cephrir cements my decision to vote you.

And I am again genuinely confused by the assertion that I'm "hiding behind LLD." I expressed suspicion first, and while I did agree with most of her logic after it was shared, I've also consistently had my own take on the situation, it doesn't make sense that I'm just coasting off her
Why assume worst case? Just aim for the best case which is being correct.
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Post Post #1283 (isolation #107) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:45 am

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In post 1276, Save The Dragons wrote: VOTE: cephrir
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Post Post #1285 (isolation #108) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:45 am

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In post 1282, Umlaut wrote:
In post 1173, furtiveglance wrote: Are people really scumreading me for not claiming immediately?
I agree this is by itself a kind of silly reason for a scumread. A better reason would be not sticking by your guns on it and making people play out the day for at least a few IRL days before giving your result, implying you were swayed by popular opinion.
In post 1180, furtiveglance wrote: It's both ridiculous and scandalous, to be sure.

I can't wait for all the manoeuvring and finger pointing tomorrow, as everyone who voted for me decries everyone else who did as scum.
This post is making me feel better about wanting to flip furtive first. I'm still going to make time to reread first but at the end of that reread I'm pretty sure I know which way my vote is going.
I mean yeah everyone point blank refused to play until I claimed the result.
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Post Post #1286 (isolation #109) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:46 am

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In post 1284, Cephrir wrote: yeah that just obliterated the fucks i had left to give

whatever have fun losing
Don't worry, Umlaut's voting me apparently. It'll be close
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Post Post #1288 (isolation #110) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:50 am

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I think the fourth option is also yay
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Post Post #1297 (isolation #111) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:59 am

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In post 1294, Umlaut wrote:
In post 1285, furtiveglance wrote:I mean yeah everyone point blank refused to play until I claimed the result.
  1. I didn't.
  2. You gave people less than one IRL day before giving up.
I got some reactions
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Post Post #1314 (isolation #112) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:13 am

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In post 1311, Umlaut wrote:
In post 1297, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 1294, Umlaut wrote:
In post 1285, furtiveglance wrote:I mean yeah everyone point blank refused to play until I claimed the result.
  1. I didn't.
  2. You gave people less than one IRL day before giving up.
I got some reactions
Given that you're at risk of dying today, I'd think you'd want to tell us what you make of those reactions. What did you get?
Kawaii's was bad
Ranger's was terrible
Radical Rat is probably scum

Scum here ^^
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Post Post #1315 (isolation #113) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:15 am

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Cephrir really getting em with the AtE...fair play

I don't really care enough, obviously it's 100% mechanically better to vote out the Cop, because I've already used my ability, and we want to keep the fake Doctor around to pretend to heal us, so I've just got to accept this one, because of everyone's amazing logic.
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Post Post #1322 (isolation #114) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:40 am

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Clowntown
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Post Post #1324 (isolation #115) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:44 am

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Umlaut discovers coasting
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Post Post #1325 (isolation #116) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:45 am

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Who suggested Mafia? What a dumb game.

It's like some of us are bad and we have to figure out who is bad but everyone argues about it the whole time.

I should join a poetry forum
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Post Post #1328 (isolation #117) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:46 am

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Renown is pronounced to rhyme with town, it doesn't rhyme with known.
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Post Post #1331 (isolation #118) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:47 am

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Ethel, bad poem. You literally called me a Cop and still voted me.
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Post Post #1334 (isolation #119) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:49 am

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Thought I already got hammered.
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Post Post #1335 (isolation #120) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:52 am

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Yeah, pretty sure Ranger, Cephrir, Radical Rat, Gimli, LLD, Ethel makes 6.

Now that I got hammered,

WHY DID YOU BUS ME WHYYYYYYYYY

WE HAD A PLAN YOU TRAITORS!!!
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Post Post #1338 (isolation #121) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:56 am

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Laughable to think bussing is a viable strategy in this setup of all setups.

I am now rooting for town!
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Post Post #1339 (isolation #122) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:56 am

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In post 1337, Ethel wrote: Can someone explain to me what "bussing" someone actually means? I couldn't figure it out yet.
When the other Mafia throw you under the bus
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Post Post #1342 (isolation #123) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:57 am

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like [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] just did to me
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Post Post #1344 (isolation #124) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:57 am

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jk I was town, and I really did peep Ceph
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Post Post #1345 (isolation #125) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:59 am

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It said Ceph was Mafia (Earthbound)
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Post Post #1346 (isolation #126) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:59 am

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nah I was actually Mafia, sorry for trolling

Shame everyone saw through my ruse
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Post Post #1350 (isolation #127) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:01 am

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In post 1347, Enchant wrote: Fat
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Post Post #1351 (isolation #128) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:02 am

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In post 1349, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: If I die tonight dont let Ranger or Cephrir live to ELO
Yeah I think Cephrir into Ranger into Radical Rat
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Post Post #1353 (isolation #129) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:02 am

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I think STD's town
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Post Post #1355 (isolation #130) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:04 am

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In post 1354, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: RR is town.

Ethel can be scum.

Kawaii can be scum only if Ranger is town though. If Ranger scum kawaii town.

STD scum.

Ceph dies before lylo.

Enchant prolly town.

Uhh
Why is RR town? They should have known better than to vote me.
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Post Post #1357 (isolation #131) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:06 am

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Can someone protect Enchant tonight? Pretty sure scum want to kill them
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Post Post #1362 (isolation #132) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:07 am

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In post 1358, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 1355, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 1354, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: RR is town.

Ethel can be scum.

Kawaii can be scum only if Ranger is town though. If Ranger scum kawaii town.

STD scum.

Ceph dies before lylo.

Enchant prolly town.

Uhh
Why is RR town? They should have known better than to vote me.
Contrary to popular belief, I am not perfect
So you know I'm town? lol
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Post Post #1368 (isolation #133) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:11 am

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In post 1366, Ethel wrote: So you are town, furtive? Or are you still trolling?
What do you think I am?
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Post Post #1370 (isolation #134) » Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:16 am

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Death is what gives life meaning. To know your days are numbered, your time is short.

Don't feel bad about this...part of the journey is the end.
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