Election! | GAME OVER

[Alisae]

I think it is reasonable for you to want to keep your options open regardless of alignment and I think that sounds reasonable to me

[Alisae]

It's hard to imagine anyone else as a viable elimination today

[Alisae]

You are one of the two people that I’m NOT asking but ty for the approval

You're goddamn right

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

ingle moment

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

We got to the phase where people are allowed to start the murder

But where is the murder???????

Wow
is that THE Great Mafiauniverse player Kdowns????

No way!

[Alisae]

I look forward to your "Sharp mind" and "strategic thinking!"

[Alisae]

LLD seems super wrong on Furtive, I wish she would reconsider and not allow the wolf player to send all of the moneys to the board of election
Maybe vote Furtive for Treasure instead of the player we want to kill today

[Alisae]

i don't get the std scumreads either tbh
I empathize with the guy

[Alisae]

LLD seems super wrong on Furtive, I wish she would reconsider and not allow the wolf player to send all of the moneys to the board of election
Maybe vote Furtive for Treasure instead of the player we want to kill today

Like at least Furtive has incentive to play ball today if he's a wolf. Like he'll do it.

[Alisae]

I don't really have much to do right now. I don't really have a reason to play my hand.
At least not till either election phase ends or I get a chance to talk to kdowns.

[Alisae]

actually I wanna play mafia LOL

I think the team is GL/Sheep/Unowen

[Alisae]

Something I very distinctly remembered is that on D2 Furtive was calling Bloodbot obvtown while GL was trying to attack Sheep. I think GL also attacked bloodbot for declaring board d1?
Anyway I think GL putting sheep in the fos pool but never really exploring the option could just be strategic positioning/distancing.

Now that I think about it, I don't think GL really went for Sheep on D3 either? If anything I think GL spent that day phase pretending like he was wolf hunting.

Also, normally when one (Sheep) says they want to go ISO someone they do it immediately after they posted and I feel like Sheep has never really attempted to actually go through that? Probably because he never felt like he needed to and I think the last time I saw him replace in he was more willing to try to trudge through that?

Anyway this brings us to this day phase.

Sheep declares cop to oppose me which is what I think a wolf!GL would want ideally.

Sheep also echo's GL with "I don't think GL has any points mechanically but I do think Ali is performative" which is????????????
All of the takes that I'm performative are likely just coming from wolves here.

I don't think Sheep has ever given it a fair shot at trying to actually sort me.

[Alisae]

I don't think Unowen has really came into this day phase fairly at all. I think they've been trying to bring up this "SCUM HAS TO BE INFORMED OF THE PLAN" angle when I don't think that's really true at all. I think he's just been using that to avoid actually contributing anything to the day phase and tbh, I don't think this slot has really been doing much of anything the whole game?

[Alisae]

Wasn't STD setting up the exact "whoops maybe I was wrong" take that I thought he might if scum before replacing out? Town furtive still seems entirely possible with town LLD.

It's hard for me to get motivated to try and team solve here having been wrong twice in a row and without it being a necessity just yet. Probably Alisae is scum because of the GuiltyLion push, that's enough for me.

Furtive and LLD I think are likely town who have this "STD is a wolf" take but Unowen is just a wolf trying to nudge people in that direction.

[Alisae]

I empathize with STD because I've been in a position where I've just been super lost in the game, not really having any fun, and in general not really wanting to get into the game.

I want to believe that STD here has just given it his best shot at solving and is genuinely just stuck here.
And it's not like anyone is reaching out to him and wanting him to play either.

[Alisae]

I don't think Unowen has really came into this day phase fairly at all. I think they've been trying to bring up this "SCUM HAS TO BE INFORMED OF THE PLAN" angle when I don't think that's really true at all. I think he's just been using that to avoid actually contributing anything to the day phase and tbh, I don't think this slot has really been doing much of anything the whole game?

Like, why can't wolves
- make the read that said strong protective ability has been used up
or
- force village to use said strong protective ability

[Alisae]

funny timing that as soon as a new player replaces in Alisae now feels the urgency to come in with all this fake solving

ah yes let's attack the timing of my posting because that's easy to do and you can scapegoat it when I flip town and it blows up in your face amazing.

Why would I be doubting my wolfread on you when you're posting junk like this

[Alisae]

Born out of survival lmfao
so I can't be town who thinks you're a wolf capitalizing on the moment

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

because I"ve posted like an INFINITE amount of other content today that you've just consistently ignored

everything you posted is a wolfpost because you're a wolf

[Alisae]

I'm not going to fight you on that front, I'm not going to talk to you, and I'm not going to let you crawl out of this.

There are not words I have to say to you, you're a wolf pushing me and throughout this whole day phase you grasped at straws to attack me.

[Alisae]

You're probably a wolf encouraging this shit storm tbh

[Alisae]

you aren't even wolf-hunting outside of me today until literally the second a new player comes in you need to buddy up to, then you start posting a team solve

Like why the fuck do I have to show my work every single second.
You can't vote me out in election phase.
Like are you saying I have to be wolfhunting and posting every single second? Like, I can't just do nothing because try to gauge alignments based on how everyone else is posting?

Like inaction is action here and it's not my duty to show my alignment to you, it's my duty to kill wolves.

[Alisae]

you'd bet the game on me being mafia?

you have to be

[Alisae]

it's kind of your duty to show your alignment when you were supposed to protect the cop and you didn't

no
my duty is to use my position as the person most likely to come under fire by wolves to find wolves and kill them.

I am not here to show you how town I am. I am here to hunt down the mafia.

But ya ok let's throw some buzzwords in my direction to make me look bad

[Alisae]

just now nearly a week IRL into the day phase you have started posting something that resembles real #content

Welcome to my villager gameplay!

[Alisae]

[gifv][/gifv]Extremely performative solve tbh.

I don't think you're scum just because of the doc, I think you're scum because you flipped to being certain GuiltyLion was scum based on a couple of posts that weren't different tonally from what he's been posting this game - having declared the previous day that you were having difficulty finding any solid scum reads. I'm not convinced that you're convinced.

PERFORMATIVE SOLVE GUYS

[Alisae]

MY SOLVE IS
I am

[Alisae]

look at how I am guys!

[Alisae]

lol

[Alisae]

its funny because I think it's the same three people that have used the word "" to describe me

[Alisae]

seems like a bunch of other players disagree with you (Sleepy,

UNOwen, sheep

) so why didn't you engage with them on that when they posted as much yesterday

"Ya Ali, why aren't you talking to the MAFIA"

[Alisae]

my reaction is BAD!

[Alisae]

lol

[Alisae]

I would be FAR more suspicious of anyone giving you too much slack

"Ya Ali, don't be sus of me! Be sus of anyone who's doing what I'm not doing!"

[Alisae]

I would be FAR more suspicious of anyone giving you too much slack

"Ya Ali, don't be sus of me! Be sus of anyone who's doing what I'm not doing!"

it's like you're trying to point me AWAY from your mafia teammates!

[Alisae]

I would be FAR more suspicious of anyone giving you too much slack

"Ya Ali, don't be sus of me! Be sus of anyone who's doing what I'm not doing!"

I mean, yeah. I'm town

Are you saying there is no wolf motivation in pushing me today?
because I think its the play wolves would want to do

[Alisae]

this argument is legitmately making my eyes glaze over

can you vote furtive for treasurer instead of GL?
If GL is a wolf what's going to happen is he is going to take out a loan and send all of the money to the board of election

[Alisae]

this argument is legitmately making my eyes glaze over

can you vote furtive for treasurer instead of GL?
If GL is a wolf what's going to happen is he is going to take out a loan and send all of the money to the board of election

why are you worried about him doing that? he has to do it before the end of day. if he doesn't do what he promises, he dies. There's no world where we allow the votes to go onto anyone before GL submits funding, so there's no quick hammer nonsense.

What I would do if I was wolf!GL is I would as soon as I won the role, take out a loan and submit all of the funding to the board of election.
If he thinks he is going to die today that just makes sense and if turns out he isn't going to die, he can adjust funding to play ball with whatever village wants.

[Alisae]

no, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying if you really, truly, earnestly believe you are doing your "duty" to find wolves, you've failed at it here and I'm trying to appeal to you in a fucking honest way that if you're town then this game is currently lost and I guess I was hoping I could somehow get you to maybe see or consider that

If you're a villager it's your duty to see it

[Alisae]

I don't get this "this game is lost if I'm town" approach.
It's your duty to try to get a correct read on me. We both think we're wolves but if you think I could be town, it's your duty to try to get who you think is a wolf killed.

I'm a villager.

[Alisae]

the way you immediately just continued to snark at me was unpleasant and I'm not going to get baited by it further, I'll cop to the fact that my posts at the start of this exchange were reactive and unproductive but the last few I'm trying really hard to just be regulated and offer a final olive branch

Look man, if you're a villager you have to determine if I'm a wolf or if I'm town trying to look for who I think is a wolf and pursuing that.

I can't point posts for you to be like "you should townread me for this!"
it's your duty to find the truth of the game. I found my truth, if you're truth is that I'm a wolf I'm going to keep pushing you for it because I am town and I know you are pushing town.

[Alisae]

Capsing isn't scummy

[Alisae]

I don't think Furtive thought that was an actual point on d1

[Alisae]

more I think about it's like what even is that point

[Alisae]

That point feels more nefarious than it appears tbh.

[Alisae]

I'll probably vote Alisae today

but why

[Alisae]

The team is so obviously GL/Sheep/Unowen how can you not see this

[Alisae]

How can you like anything GL posted this phase
he's not looking for truth here and everything he's posted has been very likely to come from a wolf here

[Alisae]

even winding back to the whole "performative" thing which Alisae brought up again just now and definitely escalated everything at daystart

if you're town and you post 3883 and 3884, "WHAT THE FUCK" in all caps, how can you be surprised if someone thinks you're playing it up and faking your emotions? and that's not to say Alisae definitively was or wasn't faking their emotions, like town can be performative, town can be manipulative, town can yell in all caps, I'm definitely a bit performative and manipulative as town, but it's the way e then

denies

it, like 3989, "tries to sell the picture that I'm just some crazy maniac screaming their heads off to other players.", I did not make Alisae enter the thread and post "WHAT THE FUCK" or "I'M ANGRY" (3896)! like e did that, not me!

maybe this is personality and not alignment indicative but if I got fake guilted or my slot looked compromised as a result of night actions, I would

understand

that people are going to suspect me. even knowing I was framed, I think I personally would be a lot more aware that I'm under a microscope and some people are going to think I'm insincere. I'm not trying to tone police or say there's a correct reaction, I'm really not, my issue is more that I feel it's entirely reasonable to see a guilty looking person say "WHAT THE FUCK" and think it feels fake, but Alisae thinks my response is wolf-indicative. like would it be townier for me to just be like, "gosh Alisae, you seem so surprised! you must be innocent!" like is that the thought process there?

also, this whole thing reminded me of furtive's bullshit with "stop capsing" on D1. furtive, why haven't you had any issues with Alisae's caps posting today?

you know what this is and why this is nefarious
I think it's emotionally manipulative.
LLD is low wim, on tilt, and lurking.
So like I imagine GL is just trying to emotionally compromise LLD here

[Alisae]

is really weird as like something that doesnt even mean STD is any more likely a villager in this game, the way it's phrased

but it's still used as like an active defense of the slot

Yes he's a villager
I don't think STD's play from d2 to now has been wolf indicative.
The only thing I can see is D1 where he was pushing meowth but also shopping for alternatives but I think days D2-D4 have been townie for STD

[Alisae]

if STD was a wolf I imagine we see more of him on D3

[Alisae]

this argument is legitmately making my eyes glaze over

You wanna know why that is btw?
It’s because as soon as I posted the correct solve gl comes out of the woodwork w/ a lot of unnecessary stuff to hide it

[Alisae]

The team is gl/sheep/unowen

[Alisae]

The team is so obviously GL/Sheep/Unowen how can you not see this

I don't think this team makes sense with D1 voting

Fuck d1 man
You get better reads just by reading everything else

[Alisae]

Just read this day phase and see what those 3 players are doing
Anything that is happening during this day phase is likely to be way more alignment indicative than d1

[Alisae]

Like throw that shit in the fucking garbage and just look at your surroundings

[Alisae]

Something I very distinctly remembered is that on D2 Furtive was calling Bloodbot obvtown while GL was trying to attack Sheep. I think GL also attacked bloodbot for declaring board d1?
Anyway I think GL putting sheep in the fos pool but never really exploring the option could just be strategic positioning/distancing.

Now that I think about it, I don't think GL really went for Sheep on D3 either? If anything I think GL spent that day phase pretending like he was wolf hunting.

Also, normally when one (Sheep) says they want to go ISO someone they do it immediately after they posted and I feel like Sheep has never really attempted to actually go through that? Probably because he never felt like he needed to and I think the last time I saw him replace in he was more willing to try to trudge through that?

Anyway this brings us to this day phase.

Sheep declares cop to oppose me which is what I think a wolf!GL would want ideally.

Sheep also echo's GL with "I don't think GL has any points mechanically but I do think Ali is performative" which is????????????
All of the takes that I'm performative are likely just coming from wolves here.

I don't think Sheep has ever given it a fair shot at trying to actually sort me.

Did you even read this post

[Alisae]

Like I’m sorry furtive but your std read is fucking dogshit

[Alisae]

You would have to be blind to not see that wolves have complete control of this day phase

[Alisae]

Like gl thinks that me omgusing him is wolf indicative

[Alisae]

How are we taking anything this player says seriously???

[Alisae]

GL first said xof scum slipped, then they shopped other options, then they said they were willing to sheep porky on xof, then xof flipped town

Gl then said that Ircher townslipped, then they pretended to scumhunt that and then eventually they compromised on Ircher

This is how you fake scumhunting.
You look like you’re doing things but it turns out you’re not actually doing things and you let town talk you into voting town

[Alisae]

Election Phase 4 is complete. The following players have been elected:

Treasurer - GuiltyLion
Sherriff - Sheepsaysmeep
Mayor - Bingle
Council Member - No player received a majority of votes and thus no player is elected.
Trash Collector - LLD
Board of Election - Kdowns

VoteCount Vote Count 4.0

Not Voting [ 11 ]

Lady Lambdadelta, Bingle, Alisae, Sheepsaysmeep, furtiveglance, Kdowns, Guiltylion, Sleepykrew, Unowen

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2023-04-06 12:49:00)

My apologies, one ballot was incorrectly not counted.

This results in unowen being elected. Nothing else changes based off of these votes.

Wolves control this day phase btw

[Alisae]

How is it a tie??? nOO

Someone has destroyed democracy by not voting, just as I warned would happen!

I'm confused on why it's a tie too. Did Kdowns just not vote?

Probably

[Alisae]

Kdowns not voting is town indicative btw

[Alisae]

In that post you just call him more likely scum than GL! That’s not the level of confidence I’m looking for!!

lmfao

you need me to turn my WIM on and shout how certain i am?

I'm pretty fuckin' certain but I've been certain for weeks now.

life is what you make of it

[Alisae]

I’m still gonna stand by the wolf team being gl/sheep/unowen it’s what makes the most sense for the current gamestate

[Alisae]

Election Phase 4 is complete. The following players have been elected:

Treasurer - GuiltyLion
Sherriff - Sheepsaysmeep
Mayor - Bingle
Council Member - No player received a majority of votes and thus no player is elected.
Trash Collector - LLD
Board of Election - Kdowns

VoteCount Vote Count 4.0

Not Voting [ 11 ]

Lady Lambdadelta, Bingle, Alisae, Sheepsaysmeep, furtiveglance, Kdowns, Guiltylion, Sleepykrew, Unowen

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2023-04-06 12:49:00)

9 not voting shea

[Alisae]

In that post you just call him more likely scum than GL! That’s not the level of confidence I’m looking for!!

lmfao

you need me to turn my WIM on and shout how certain i am?

I'm pretty fuckin' certain but I've been certain for weeks now.

This tunnel is becoming outright scummy at this point

Why

[Alisae]

I think it’s perfectly normal for town that never gets what they want to be hung up on a fos

[Alisae]

LLD ignoring the Alisae night action thing entirely is giving me MAJOR bad vibes

She hasn’t been though?

[Alisae]

LLD voted me for cop because she knows I’m right, village wants me to produce a cop result or get shot cuz of night actions

Village didn’t put me as cop
This day phase is in control of wolves

[Alisae]

Alisae you are bad vibes

We as a town are in the trenches right now

That seems to be the one thing that most of us agree on.

DUDE
YOU LITERALLY SCUMSIDED WITH YOUR VOTES
YOU DONT KNOW WHAT DAY OF THE WEEK IT IS

[Alisae]

IF TOWN IS IN THE TRENCHES ITS BECAUSE OF YOU

[Alisae]

Town was in trenches because of you in hollow knight and they’re in trenches now because you

[Alisae]

You voted all for wolves in election phase
You think LLD is a wolf tunneling you and opting not to have influence on the rest of the game because why????

You think std is a wolf becaus why????

You haven’t even read any of my posting, you don’t see to care either it’s just “bad vibes”

[Alisae]

Just a typical Sunday for town!furtive ig!

[Alisae]

I feel like I’m the only one that’s even trying to say things that make sense or even play the game
What the fuck are you doing?

[Alisae]

LLD ignoring the Alisae night action thing entirely is giving me MAJOR bad vibes

I'm not ignoring it at all. I'm literally not.

You're not going to be able to shake me off of you by calling me scum every time I suspect you, it's fucking ridiculous.

He just doesn’t know what day of the week it is.
It’s really frustrating!

[Alisae]

Like furtive in f4 wanted to kill an obvtown klick over actual wolves
Don’t think he even looked at gimli once in that game

[Alisae]

I don’t even know what I can do to make this person realize that they way they’re currently approaching the game needs to fucking change

[Alisae]

ali you make me so fucking nervous

i just got major buddying vibes from you

Furtive is town

[Alisae]

Alisae you are bad vibes

We as a town are in the trenches right now

That seems to be the one thing that most of us agree on.

DUDE
YOU LITERALLY SCUMSIDED WITH YOUR VOTES
YOU DONT KNOW WHAT DAY OF THE WEEK IT IS

Unflipped players.

Town was in trenches because of you in hollow knight and they’re in trenches now because you

I had a plan that solved all of FB/Klick/Gimli but FB wanted to do his own thing with the hiding

LLD ignoring the Alisae night action thing entirely is giving me MAJOR bad vibes

I'm not ignoring it at all. I'm literally not.

You're not going to be able to shake me off of you by calling me scum every time I suspect you, it's fucking ridiculous.

What is your stance on it? If Alisae is town, who is scum pushing em? You think GL and UNowen are town apparently...

You shouldn’t need a plan to know that Klick was obvtown in that game

[Alisae]

IN THAT GAME THE LAST VOTE I PLACED WAS ON THE LAST REMAINING WOLD AND NO ONE CARED BTW
I SUGGESTED A MASSCLAIM IN THE BIGGEST LEAD YOU WILL EVER SEE AND NO ONE WANTED TO DO IT

[Alisae]

OH BUT ALI IS A WOLF SO WOLF MUST WANT MASSCLAIM LOL

[Alisae]

I don’t even know what I can do to make this person realize that they way they’re currently approaching the game needs to fucking change

It's a game, your opinion is worth the same as mine

I don’t know how to get my message across button yell at you
Being nice doesn’t seem to do the trick

[Alisae]

I don’t even know what I can do to make this person realize that they way they’re currently approaching the game needs to fucking change

It's a game, your opinion is worth the same as mine

Besides, I've literally been saying that my reads are neither confident nor set in stone

Maybe I’m being too harsh then but user alisae thinks you voted all wolves for election and Lld and std are town

[Alisae]

Alisae why do you think flaming me for a different game will convince me; it won't

Feels more like an attempt at manipulation than anything else

I don’t know how to get my message across

[Alisae]

What I say doesn’t change just because of how I said it

[Alisae]

what is your message exactly Ali

Furtive needs to reconsider his reads
He voted for all wolves in the election phase and he thinks std is wolfy and that you tunneling him is wolf indicative

[Alisae]

I’m just frustrated because it feels like I’m Galileo saying the earth is round and everyone else is telling me “no Ali sorry you’re wrong earths flat”

[Alisae]

what is your message exactly Ali

Furtive needs to reconsider his reads
He voted for all wolves in the election phase and he thinks std is wolfy and that you tunneling him is wolf indicative

Well what am I meant to think?

LLD is really town for pushing me for 3 days straight and wanting to kill me despite last night's unsolved night action debacle?

Ya I think it’s way more likely town that didn’t get anything they wanted in this game aside from the 1 wolf they killed to hang on a scum read like that then mafia
Mafia want to exploit the situation for their own needs.

[Alisae]

I don’t think Lld played to any specific agenda this game so she’s a villager

[Alisae]

Like ok ur town, u know Lld is wrong on u, I can understand that
But it’s way more likely for town who hasn’t really gotten anything they wanted except for meowth who did flip mafia to hold onto one scumread until they get it and not partake in anything else that happened in the game
She’s also low wim and very demotivated so under those contexts it’s especially just more likely for her to just keep this 1 scumread she has of u

In her eyes she hasn’t had any reason to move off of it.

[Alisae]

I don’t think Lld played to any specific agenda this game so she’s a villager

Terrible reasoning and it's not even true, she openly has an agenda to park on me daily and complain about others not doing the same

it’s way more likely to come from a villager than a wolf.
This is play that villagers do.
Wolf!lld likely just uses her vote to influence the game more. She understands that what partially makes wolves so strong is their numbers

[Alisae]

Furtive wolves don’t vote park someone and do nothing
That’s just not how an active wolf plays the alignment

[Alisae]

ali you make me so fucking nervous

i just got major buddying vibes from you

Furtive is town

Fucking why. Why is this song and dance Furtive is doing town and not scum?

You're apparently town from your PoV right? Furtive's refusing to listen to you and going to force a kill on you today, despite having a scumread on GL apparently.

Why are you townreading this slot? from your PoV it makes zero sense.

Furtive as town has really out there reads that attract a lot of attention to him. I don't think he has teammates or anyone who is playing with him/he is playing with.

I think he most likely just wants to be right this game.

He also just put out a lot of takes that I think are just wild to me so I can only assume that these are takes that are coming from a villager instead of a wolf playing to cross the finish line

[Alisae]

ali you make me so fucking nervous

i just got major buddying vibes from you

Furtive is town

Fucking why. Why is this song and dance Furtive is doing town and not scum?

You're apparently town from your PoV right? Furtive's refusing to listen to you and going to force a kill on you today, despite having a scumread on GL apparently.

Why are you townreading this slot? from your PoV it makes zero sense.

Furtive as town has really out there reads that attract a lot of attention to him. I don't think he has teammates or anyone who is playing with him/he is playing with.

I think he most likely just wants to be right this game.

He also just put out a lot of takes that I think are just wild to me so I can only assume that these are takes that are coming from a villager instead of a wolf playing to cross the finish line

Furtive entered today deadset on GL/SK. And is now leaning voting you.

If you're town how is that NOT PLAYING TO CROSS THE FINISH LINE?

I mean if me and GL are both town it is.
I have the read that GL/Sheep/Unowen are wolves

[Alisae]

LLD who are Furtive's partners?

[Alisae]

I don't think UNOwen is scum.

why

[Alisae]

LLD who are Furtive's partners?

Bingle, Sheep, STD/Kdowns but I'm waiting and praying KDowns comes in and just towns it the fuck up.

I don't think SK or GL can be a furtive buddy and I don't think UNOwen is scum.

My read on Bingle is he has been solving this day phase.
My read on STD is that STD has been trying to solve throughout the whole game and is just lost. I think it's pretty likely the guy is just town here.

I have Sheep as a wolf with GL and Unowen so ig we both agree there.

Something is wrong idunno what it is

[Alisae]

will definitely re-evaluate and talk furtive with you later LLD I think if Alisae is town furtive scum equity is super high

Alisae have you ever considered that I'm just town lol

GL can you give me a solve that doesn't have me in that makes sense?
If you could do that, that would probably help me out!

[Alisae]

You're going to have to sell me on the Bingle part of that solve because I really liked his posts today

[Alisae]

He also declared Mayor which I think isn't something that wolves want to do here?

[Alisae]

like he says he wants to partner hunt outside of us today but it feels like all he's doing is arguing with me and virtually every other player doesn't receive any scrutiny from him at all

ig this is true

[Alisae]

Hello user Bingle
who are the wolves if I am mafia
who are the wolves if GL is mafia
who are the wolves if we are both town

[Alisae]

Did you see the team I put out?

[Alisae]

I think the slip thing probably comes from GL as both alignments tbh

[Alisae]

Like obviously there's wolf motivation for wanting to push a slip like that but Gl would probably do it as town too tbh

[Alisae]

maaaaaaaaaybe

[Alisae]

I'll mull it over

[Alisae]

GL you wanna know a trick to help you with your catch-up?

Add &ppp=200 to the end of the url

[Alisae]

oh my gosh I have not ever done this before, excellent suggestion thank you

If you quote something and post you'll have to redo it

[Alisae]

I saw Kison post about it it's a neat trick

[Alisae]

it should be capped to 200 posts per page, no?

[Alisae]

42 better

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

If tonight is the last night we can act there isn't any reason not to slam the all in button

[Alisae]

hi lld

[Alisae]

how is drunk

[Alisae]

i'm a good girl, or at leaast that's what i'm told

you are!

[Alisae]

You sound like you had a lot of fun today!

[Alisae]

Also if you needed my votes

Treasurer[0] , GuiltyLion
Sherriff[1] Sheepsaysmeep
Mayor[0] Bingle
Council Member[0] Unowen,
Trash Collector[0] LLD
Board of Election[0] STD

You have votes????

[Alisae]

I like alisae better now but I still think that line of reasoning holds true

????

[Alisae]

I think we only get 1 more night of actions and I think the only path to getting 2 nights of actions would be to maybe not have actions tonight.

I think having a night of actions and getting the biggest bang for our buck is way better than getting 2 nights of actions that we might not even get to.

We should be playing to our outs here and I think taking out the biggest loan and using as much money as you can afford to use is our best play here

[Alisae]

Also if you needed my votes

Treasurer[0] , GuiltyLion
Sherriff[1] Sheepsaysmeep
Mayor[0] Bingle
Council Member[0] Unowen,
Trash Collector[0] LLD
Board of Election[0] STD

You have votes????

Why wouldn't I?

I’m just surprised
I thought you were too busy/behind/inactive to get votes in

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

[Alisae]

Yellow is too powerful ik

[Alisae]

I meant Bingle as well^

Let's do the sensible thing today, and follow up on last night's no doc disaster.

Think for yourselves - it doesn't matter how 'good' LLD is because I know I'm town, simple as that.

VOTE: Alisae

Like this is the vote cast after shading people all day.

Because Furtive has 0 confidence or progression on his reads. He's been just in pure survival mode and saying what keeps him alive and never has it been more apparent than today in which you have called just about every player in the game scum for different bad reasons and finally ended on the only wagon you think keeps you alive.

Ya his reads are just fake at this point

[Alisae]

wow it's like your push on me has no heart.

[Alisae]

wow it's like your push on me has no heart.

Enjoy your free win

Is that all you got?

[Alisae]

You gonna bark all day little doggy or are you gonna bite

[Alisae]

You wanna know the difference between you and GL?

[Alisae]

GL tried and exerted a LOT of energy to try to get my killed. At points which he couldn't even KILL me.
We are now in the phase of the game where we can vote to kill off a player. And here you are with this "read" you have.

GL cared way more about when he believed it was ali!wolf.
You on the other hand just fucking don't

[Alisae]

If you care about this game try harder and maybe care more

[Alisae]

Are games mindless fun to you or a logic puzzle that you want to solve?

[Alisae]

Do you just want to have fun or do you want to learn and care about the game?

[Alisae]

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[Alisae]

Do you just want to have fun or do you want to learn and care about the game?

Are games mindless fun to you or a logic puzzle that you want to solve?

If games are mindless fun and you just want to enjoy yourself that is a perfectly acceptable answer, there's no wrong answer here btw

This is how I view games. Not just mafia games, but games as a whole.

[Alisae]

I think it's relevant to understanding you as a player

[Alisae]

I'm trying to assess your motivation

[Alisae]

You should answer the question

[Alisae]

if you don't answer it I'll be asking you these questions during the postgame

[Alisae]

ig cop's result here is only trustworthy if you trust the cop

[Alisae]

I feel like I've shown a lot of town thought process and people who want to vote me are either scum or just not reading

That's right, I'm saying y'all bad

If you are a "for fun" player and it all really is "just a game" to you, then you don't really have any right to flame people for being wrong on you. After all, it's just a game, so why should you care if people are wrong on you.
If you're a player who wants to do everything in their power to win, then I find it to believe that you are doing everything in your power currently to win. I find it hard to believe that you are really giving this game your best effort.

[Alisae]

I find it hard to believe

[Alisae]

that meant to be an edit to the above post

[Alisae]

I'm not saying I overly care, but it is a bit annoying

As for effort, I've put in more than most of this playerlist

I am saying if you're a villager you should try harder to get what you want.
Life is what you make of it.

[Alisae]

Do something worth listening to

[Alisae]

otherwise I am going to thumbs up emoji with dog emojis

[Alisae]

Hey Furtive, I need a bit more from you.

Can you site the posts that your reads were based on?

[Alisae]

Do something worth listening to

the trick is to use the emoji that's most relevant to the user in the given context.

[Alisae]

Also Furtive I don't really understand what you think the wolf team looks like

[Alisae]

All of them?

[Alisae]

All of them?

This probs isn't helpful to you but I want to understand which posts you got your reads from and it's really just hard to tell with just the analysis.

It's like writing a paper but you forgot to include the quote that you're analyzing in your paper.

[Alisae]

GuiltyLion: Pretty obvious town, I should have realised sooner. Unpaired with SleepyKrew with quite a consistent scumread there.

It's really hard to call this analysis when you're not analyzing anything and you're just stating a conclusion.

[Alisae]

Furtive if I give you a specific name I'm going to then ask for another name and you're just going to end up doing it for everyone.

I want you to do it for everyone you stated a read on

[Alisae]

Furtive if I give you a specific name I'm going to then ask for another name and you're just going to end up doing it for everyone.

I want you to do it for everyone you stated a read on

For some players it's based on general stuff or lack of stuff if you see what I mean

I don't see what you mean
Don't "tell" me
"show" me

show not tell.

[Alisae]

ok but what if I don't want to eliminate you

[Alisae]

Also Furtive I don't really understand what you think the wolf team looks like

Also Furtive I don't really understand what you think the wolf team looks like

Why not, I literally said

Also, which posts shall I cite for you

Also here what I meant by I don't get what you think the wolf team is is which 3 players do you think are actively playing together as a team

[Alisae]

Like right now I'm looking for reasons to think you are town here

[Alisae]

any if you don't wanna do more I can't make you do more ig

[Alisae]

I want kdown's reads.

[Alisae]

Sheep as well ig I don't think I quite understand what sheep's worldview is

[Alisae]

undecided.
I'm want to look for how others react to your reads as well as attempt to understand the world view of others and then come back to it

[Alisae]

You don't have to worry about me voting you for a bit

[Alisae]

I would prefer to take my time with this and I don't think I need to form a definitive stance on you on the current moment.

I'm trying to identify how wolves are positioning themselves during this day.
kdowns provided a little bit but not much and I really have an understanding on what sheep currently thinks

[Alisae]

now that I think about it I'm not sure I have an understanding of what skrew unowen or lld really think is going on in this game either

[Alisae]

I can buy you thinking it's unowen and skrew from your perspective but I'm not sure it's bingle

[Alisae]

Do you just want to have fun or do you want to learn and care about the game?

Are games mindless fun to you or a logic puzzle that you want to solve?

If games are mindless fun and you just want to enjoy yourself that is a perfectly acceptable answer, there's no wrong answer here btw

This is how I view games. Not just mafia games, but games as a whole.

I still want an answer to these questions btw

[Alisae]

Like I would like to understand what it means to you to care about a game and I feel like those two questions as well as this, if you could answer them, would really help me out

[Alisae]

You'll have my reads tomorrow, but I also don't think it's that good of a look to be trying to piggy back off of reads

Really? I disagree.
Ig you can see this as piggybacking but tbh this is just how I like to approach the game and I feel like this kind of statement makes me think you don't really understand the intent behind what it is I'm doing. I don't mind explaining it.

I am town from my perspective, just like how from you're perspective you are town, furtive's perspective he is town, lld's perspective she is town, gl's perspective they are town.
From our own perspective's we are all town. Town can see a perspective that only they can see. We all have our own truths.

What I'm looking for is I'm trying to understand who is working together, who isn't and is just doing their own thing, as well as who is just playing their own game compared to who is playing to attempt to cross the finish line.

Something I'm always trying to think about in the back of my mind is "What do I think wolves want to do in this current gamestate"
My current suspicion is that Furtive feels easy, so I'm looking around to see who Furtive could potentially be a wolf with based on what people are doing currently.

[Alisae]

I think identifying how people win the game and seeing if they're playing to that is a very important aspect of late game that not a lot of people consider to think about.
Who knows I just played a mid-late game really badly where I fos'd LLD because I found something that I thought "made sense" but that game also had a third party and third parties really fuck with how it is I solve the game. I'm not used to playing with those things at all.

[Alisae]

my scumdar is fucking broken ok

[Alisae]

LLD I forget, who do you think Furtive might be teammates with?

[Alisae]

Like I would like to understand what it means to you to care about a game and I feel like those two questions as well as this, if you could answer them, would really help me out

When I first started on this site I took things really seriously, like in my first game when I was mislimmed it was really painful. I used to care so much because I treated mafia as an escape from my actual life which I wasn't doing great in. Nowadays I just see the game as a fun way to pass the time and I don't care as much about being mislimmed. I do still get stressed as scum though. Recently especially, having built up a reputation for being a bad player who's easily mislimmed, it's just better to not care as much about the game. I stopped updating my wiki and stuff. Will probably slow down the amount of games I join and try and reduce it to 1 at a time because I've been finding this site less fun recently, it's been feeling a bit cliquey.

So yh that's how I see this site and this game

Bad players are the ones that forces others to play off of their reads. I have had a lot of bad games recently.

Would you like to be miseliminated less? Do you want to be a better player or do you not care about improvement?
What makes mafia fun to you?

[Alisae]

i'm high btw

me too!

[Alisae]

The way I see it is this site is full of users who prefer voting newer players to voting their friends and I don't fit in as well

Not sure what I can do to change that

I don't think this is true at all. I think you could become a good player if you wanted to be one

[Alisae]

Do you want to be one?

[Alisae]

don't lol at me I'm serious. I think you're fun to play with but I feel like you have a lot to learn

[Alisae]

Yeah I'll become a good player by posting thumbs up dog

Get over yourself

The amount of players in this game and on this site who think they're the bees knees...

I'm not a good player. a Good player to me is RadiantCowbells, Regfan, and Llamarble. I think expect the average player to be as good as these players is insane.
I am above average. I think in a game I am likely to have above random reads. I may have been a time that I was the bees knees but now is not that time. I think Peak Alisae was before my selfban.
Average is who I think most of what the MS playerbase is.
and then there's below average and like bad.

I feel like you're blatantly disrespecting me here because I feel like I have a solid understanding of the game and when I see your play across games I feel like we have different views of the game and I feel like your view comes from someone who is more likely to be newer to the game and can still be developed.

Do you have an understanding of what your playstyle is?

[Alisae]

Probably the most toxic part of mafia: egos

I think I can easily see what I want to see even if I am wrong

[Alisae]

Bingle/Sheep/Furtive with outside of STD is my current view

I don't really get how bingle is tied into this btw.
I don't know if you explained it or not but I've really liked this posting this day phase

[Alisae]

Or any posts in this thread at all for that matter

What are your reads

[Alisae]

I'm also not sure I understand Bingle math in 4699. We have $125, I could take out a $200 loan for $325. funding 80/80/70 puts us at 230, what do I do with the extra $5 after we pay $90 to debt? and how does funding Mayor $80 mean $100 success rate?

give the 5$ to someone

[Alisae]

You'll have my reads tomorrow, but I also don't think it's that good of a look to be trying to piggy back off of reads

Really? I disagree.
Ig you can see this as piggybacking but tbh this is just how I like to approach the game and I feel like this kind of statement makes me think you don't really understand the intent behind what it is I'm doing. I don't mind explaining it.

I am town from my perspective, just like how from you're perspective you are town, furtive's perspective he is town, lld's perspective she is town, gl's perspective they are town.
From our own perspective's we are all town. Town can see a perspective that only they can see. We all have our own truths.

What I'm looking for is I'm trying to understand who is working together, who isn't and is just doing their own thing, as well as who is just playing their own game compared to who is playing to attempt to cross the finish line.

Something I'm always trying to think about in the back of my mind is "What do I think wolves want to do in this current gamestate"
My current suspicion is that Furtive feels easy, so I'm looking around to see who Furtive could potentially be a wolf with based on what people are doing currently.

[Alisae]

If you don’t care that you’re saying my playstyle is wolfy then ya ig you’re just a wolf and the team is furtive-kdowns-sheep

[Alisae]

Like it’s like u didn’t read my post or care about what I had to say

[Alisae]

I would prefer to take my time with this and I don't think I need to form a definitive stance on you on the current moment.

I'm trying to identify how wolves are positioning themselves during this day.
kdowns provided a little bit but not much and I really have an understanding on what sheep currently thinks

You'll have my reads tomorrow, but I also don't think it's that good of a look to be trying to piggy back off of reads

Reads tomorrow btw

[Alisae]

I was not beating you up in 4831 and 4832. When I saw ur post I thought you just didn’t understand the intent of what I’m doing, now I think you just don’t care.
In fact I think furtive even thinks you’re town? What is happening isn’t actually lining up with what you’re saying here.

I wouldn’t say he’s trying to beat you up here.

Me personally I think you don’t care about trying to see my perspective or see where I’m coming from.

[Alisae]

Also I do not play mafia that often, this is my first game in a couple of years. So I am not going to be the most articulate person to begin with, and when there is just shy of 200 pages it's a lot of information to go through.

Why do you need to read 200 pages to engage with the me who’s engaging with you saying that I’m piggybacking

[Alisae]

I feel like your piggyback comment comes from either town who lacks understanding of what my intent or how I want to play with or a wolf who’s just finding things they think are scummy to attack.

I want to have a conversation about it.
You don’t need to be able to articulate yourself clearly or read 200 pages to engage with me here

[Alisae]

I am just saying how I saw it, I saw you trying to piggy back off of people and I wanted to call it out. I don't see how me doing so should be scum indicative. I rubbed me the wrong way as I briefly glanced at it and thought it should be brought to attention.

You're reading my playstyle as wolf!indicative. This by itself isn't wolf indicative, town can do it too. It's the not engaging what I have to say and talking over me that is cuz that comes across as you not trying to have the right read on me

[Alisae]

VOTE: furtive

[Alisae]

he gave me reads.
If he's a villager this should flip wolf tbh

[Alisae]

furtive's partner is probably bingle actually and not kdowns btw