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VOTE: shea hello everyone

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VOTE: T3

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I deduce Im obv town, obviously. DEB is as well, tchill is chilling, coasting.
collegegoer obvscum

That’s where I’m at so far. Gut vibes, don’t question

Chilling is what I do best. Until day 2 haha. What's the difference between DEB and Collegegoer. Or is it gut vibes?

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I actually trust the DEB read tbh.

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Des is hard town for providing a tier list without the order on page 3.

T3 is hard scum for using a joke vote then declaring VLA. I have nothing against being busy. T3 would have been better off just saying hi.

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It's the fact t3 joke voted then vla'd.

Doesn't matter. Town already won since the DEB tchill duo has been established.

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It's the fact t3 joke voted then vla'd.

so why is this scummy behavior

It's an easy in on day 1. You post something funny then take off for a bit. Hopefully avoiding the entire day.

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We can't invite you on the Def town island flippy. At night I fear we will be in danger. Just trying to keep you safe.

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I doubt doubt the need for a VLA I'm just saying he didn't have to vote someone not in the game beforehand as an introduction.

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I Don't doubt. My bad

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And I was planning on being around after I did that...

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I'd like for you to point out the difference in a bogus attack and a poorly reasoned attack redff.

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Just for the sake of it.

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And I was planning on being around after I did that...

Do you think that being around after your joke vote was significant in any way?

Yep. I had intentions of participating in discussion. The game started a little slow. But t3 had no intent of building on a joke vote where as I did.

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I wouldn’t expect tchill to point to something as scummy having done the same (mod joke vote) if he was scum himself, risk of drawing too much attention - which it has. College drawing the same conclusion then switching to DEB - maybe some sus behaviour so for now VOTE: collegegoer

I sus anyone that votes hard town DEB/chill island.

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It's the fact t3 joke voted then vla'd.

so why is this scummy behavior

It's an easy in on day 1. You post something funny then take off for a bit. Hopefully avoiding the entire day.

okay, but i said that i would be back when my conference ends. and now i'm back.

And now that you're back. What have you got for us? There's some content to comment on.

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I'd like for you to point out the difference in a bogus attack and a poorly reasoned attack redff.

why

Because the only difference between a bogus attack and one rooted in terrible reason is only determined by how "good" a player is at the game. Which is extremely subjective.

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I've seen many a player push terrible logic and be correct.

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Bogus is to say that I do not believe what I am saying. Day 1 intros are sometimes extremely awkward for scum. Feels like T3 seen an easy route to intro then leave for a bit. As opposed to me who was still going to be around to interact.

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But t3 had no intent of building on a joke vote where as I did.

Why do I have to build on a joke vote?

Exactly. You seen an opportunity that validated your lack of interaction and took it. What have you done so far except interact with the guy who's pushed you?

Zero ppl here are pushing you based on my argument yet you still have not commented on anything but this.

Which is my whole point.

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I'm null on Mala. Let me look real quick.

It's actually hilarious Mala unvoted at the mention of this though lol.

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At Miltos
I lowkey jsut voted the mod as a joke after he did the vote tags.
Usually in games I tend to RVS someone who I’m familiar with other than that I give zero thought in it other than if I’m scum and I won’t vote a scum partner that’s prob about it

Idk what else to say other than that was my thought process ^

Well the only thing of substance Mala has provided was in response to being questioned. Not a good look.

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Mitillos is my hardest town read actually. Then DEB. Then red.

T3 scum. Mala is super weird.

Everyone else null.

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As for who else, tchill might(?) be scum. I'm not convinced yet, as the ongoing posting about the issue could (in my mind) be stubborn townie rather than caught scum. I am still thinking on it.

Fwiw I didn't particularly think that College was scum.

I think red is stubborn town tbh.

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That's 2 ppl saying they wished they were scum on day 1...

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Alright. Enough people have at least acknowledged and slightly agreed with me that I'll begin to expand on other players a little.

I will say t3 is obv awkward scum. T3 has not done anything even after getting back. I'll be rereading the thread to focus on others though...

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VOTE: dessew

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dang 36 hours and youre prodded? i got a little loud for a bit was trying to let others converse

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bristep123 DeasVail Tchill13 Emperor flippyNips Dr Easy Bake have been prodded

this is disgusting lol. The game is moving a bit slower than I'd like. I'll be sure to stay active.

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Y’all just there.
I kinda thought scum!Tchill and DEB could be a thing cos they wouldn’t invite me to town! Island but like I said I’m here to flirt with LIL Debbie so no way I’m voting him first day

its for your protection emperor. Dessew can go. So can the college slot. T3 as well.

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I like mittilo (game solving) and red (reads as genuine) for town. DEB ultra town. Emperor on a raft slightly, but safely, off of town island.

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If you can’t tell I love hearing myself talk. Even if it is just in my head. I really don’t wanna go back and read anything. Boring boring blah blah. Unless someone wants to point something out for me otherwise boring boring blah blah

you know t3 is scum.

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dang 36 hours and youre prodded?

I was surprised too. Just 2 years ago the vast majority of games I was in had 48 hour prods, but it seems like mods are moving to 36 hour prods now.

I typically play a lot and play hard so its not an issue for me. Was just surprised. If you forget about the game for 1 day you get prodded pretty much lol

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I like how DEB agrees that dess is the vote then mala changes immediately lol.

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Seems like everyone just grabbed popcorn and wait for something to happen.

But nothing happens.

Enchant. Is your role being discussed in a PT somewhere? Just be honest. Nothing bad is going to happen either way.

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Post 216. I was just making a funny. Ofc it could be true.

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Mitillos is easily doing the most Townie things d1.

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If nobody is going to make waves or other pushes then we should go ahead and end this d1. Get on to the much juicer d2. Thanks.

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Pack up dessew. Let's get this show on the road.

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"Waiting for something interesting to happen" YOU should either make that happen... or make our first flip happen. I'd imagine at least one scum is in the inactives/less actives as well.

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It's also pretty dumb that only one player has tried to game solve at all. Scum who want a free town pass just has to join mili in looking like they care enough to actually attempt to solve things.

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I refuse to discuss play styles in this game. Gets me so annoyed. Not going down tht road again lol. I'll just say lurking sucks.

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See the thing is. He’s active and we have a couple people just flying under the radar. I’d rather get rid of them if they don’t step it up. If dess is scum it’ll be obvious in the coming day phases with The amount of activity that’s been there

VOTE: T3

I've gotten enough info out of the dess wagon tbh.

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Not keen on lynching lurkers, feels like a crap shoot and tells us far less if we get it right/wrong.

And if the site as a whole continues to not be keen on lynching lurkers then lurking will run rampant.

This actually ties into my ultra hard gut read of t3.

These ppl that sit back. You have to catch them in a slight mess up. Such as an awkward greeting. Due to the fact that they don't play enough to give you anything to go off. We've already discussed that when t3 was here t3 didn't accomplish anything either.

"We can't vote out lurkers. Not enough info." Coupled with ppl also saying... "Dang I was I was scum playing town is so boring." Is a really enfuriating experience.

Not sure why ppl don't want to play town. You're either garbage at game solving or your garbage as scum trying to act like you're town. So you play a few trash games as town so you're scum game is stronger when it comes to past game comparisons.... Rant over.

But come on people. Let's get this game going.

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I never really care to do much d1 nor do I think anything from d1 holds much weight

Agreed. This game is already starting to move slow. I have plenty of great reads from this d1 let's get this show on the road.

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VOTE: Malakittens
i'm willing to vote Dessew but only if it's getting near the end of the day tomorrow

Yeah. I'm the one with the fake confidence lol.

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I like that flip isnt letting go of the college/enchant slot.

You can have an actual tr now.

I say we chainsaw t3/enchant/dess. Has to be scum in there.

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You should probably claim

Town Novice Odd Night Vig. Basically, I can shoot on all odd nights except for N1.

Why except N1?

I've seen and heard of several odd and even night roles, but never have I seen one where it can't be used the first chance it gets. Like a even night but can't use it N2 etc.

Is it brazen enough to fake claim as scum thinking we'll let you hang around till N3 to prove the role? I don't know. And even if you're telling the truth about being a Town Novice Odd Night Vig, you still can't prove your role till N3.

VOTE: enchant

Let's back off t3. Maybe there's a way to figure that out before night 3... As for flippy. If you'd like I'm willing to vote out either enchant or dess.

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Enchant specifically? Hmm... I don't have any fantastic reasoning tbh other than that slot is lurky. And I'd like to be able to feel good about emperor. I think there's good odds one scum is in t3/enchant/dess

I'm willing to bet on any of those 3. T3 being my least favorite to vote out atm.

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I suppose I could reread the college/enchant slot. But I never felt great about them for town either.

Never felt anything about them in all honesty.

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Specifically because emperor flippynips is interested in that slot.

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Red can we please get on the same page lol.

I read that as a pitiful fake claim if he were scum. Surely.... Scum would do something better than that.

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Shows at least some type of conviction from you regarding one of the scummier slots in the game. All lurkers/nai content accounts are scum until proven guilty/ai content.

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So t3 back tracked and said he could shoot n1? Please shoot dess thanks.

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T3 has to be town. Such a terrible fake claim if they're scum.

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TOWN ISLAND HAS SEEN A DIRECT ATTACK!!!

in all seriousness... Damn.

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I'm not as happy with an Enchant elimination

as with a Dessew one, because to me Enchant looks like a shitposter in the style of Not_Mafia, so their posts look NAI to me. Either way, Enchant, someone claimed intent to hammer, you should probably claim now.

Not a fan of directing T3. Either he dies and then we learn stuff, or he survives the night and we see what he says tomorrow. Directing him will almost definitely lead us to some ambiguous situation, where we learn less, e.g. only one person dies, and we can't be sure what happened.

p-edit: Well, never mind, that works too.

hardest TR of my life. No way scum mate says this after scum hammered themselves lol.

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I checked normal guidelines and there's no SK in mini normal games. So im willing to take t3s word for it on his vig claim. T3 who did u shoot.

dr easy bake

smh

The jokes write themselves.

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I think we should avoid directing t3s shot.

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posted that incorrectly. add myself to the joke list.

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I wouldn’t expect tchill to point to something as scummy having done the same (mod joke vote) if he was scum himself, risk of drawing too much attention - which it has. College drawing the same conclusion then switching to DEB - maybe some sus behaviour so for now VOTE: collegegoer

Deasveil - my thought process is that I’m speculating without experience, first game since late 2018 and I haven’t played regularly since 2012.

The points about Dessew sway me, so let’s push them to 5.

VOTE: Dessew

I dont haaate this. I understand the bristep push but I think bristep is... ok.

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I think the case on bristep is kinda lame personally. How would scum KNOW that there's masons and not day 1 hard TR trolling?

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What I'm interested in is the fact that Enchant moved onto me, after T3's claim. A Dessew vote would have been far more viable, as it had reached L-2 before people switched to T3. So, why did Enchant not move there but decided to join Dessew and vote for me, instead?

VOTE: Dessew

Best post of the day so far.

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VOTE: dessew

I don't agree with the masons point. I think the enchant voting pattern is a much more compelling case here.

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I'm OK with Mala, dess, kop... Maybe drew....mayyybe bristep being scum. Personally I think the whole group is in that list. If I'm wrong about anyone it's redff but I don't think so.

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Agreed. No need to go quickly imo.

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T3 can you give me a rundown on where you're at with reads? Drew as well? Seems like I have an idea on where ppl stand with others except you two.

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Mala if you want to start obv town bleeding that'd be great too.

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More input from kop would be greatly appreciated.

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If we keep going with like half the player base not trying to solve or giving thoughts then town could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Seems like I lose more than I win when scum is yeeted day 1. Very annoying.

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VOTE: t3

Miltos is town
Dv is misguided town

Explain the misguided comment specifically.

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I'm OK with Mala, dess, kop... Maybe drew....mayyybe bristep being scum. Personally I think the whole group is in that list. If I'm wrong about anyone it's redff but I don't think so.

You think Red could be scum?

Also, kinda feel that Mala would be more engaged as scum. Kind of seems to not fully to be paying attention, feel like scum would be more cognisant of that.

More so I think im not perfect and assuming that im wrong somewhere and I feel I'd be most wrong with redff.

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If we keep going with like half the player base not trying to solve or giving thoughts then town could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Seems like I lose more than I win when scum is yeeted day 1. Very annoying.

Sounds like you're scum too often, then. :þ

sounds like id be terrible town or terrible scum either way lol.

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the early push on me. I still TR red dont get me wrong but the basis of the Tr (gut read as sincere town chasing the wrong rabbit when redff was pushing me) is much weaker than my Tr of miti.

I find it absurd that DV is higher than miti on your list though. I think my case for a town miti is the strongest argument in the game since this game started.

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I'm not as happy with an Enchant elimination

as with a Dessew one, because to me Enchant looks like a shitposter in the style of Not_Mafia, so their posts look NAI to me. Either way, Enchant, someone claimed intent to hammer, you should probably claim now.

Not a fan of directing T3. Either he dies and then we learn stuff, or he survives the night and we see what he says tomorrow. Directing him will almost definitely lead us to some ambiguous situation, where we learn less, e.g. only one person dies, and we can't be sure what happened.

p-edit: Well, never mind, that works too.

What I'm interested in is the fact that Enchant moved onto me, after T3's claim.

A Dessew vote would have been far more viable, as it had reached L-2 before people switched to T3

. So, why did Enchant not move there but decided to join Dessew and vote for me, instead?

VOTE: Dessew

The underlined is why im pretty positive mitillos is town.

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its a great point about the enchant vote. It's also why im voting Dessew.

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@dessew the point is enchant restarting a push on you that had already had momentum would have been easier than voting militos and getting that through. The only reason that wouldnt be seen viable in enchants eyes is because you are enchants scum mate.

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VOTE: Dr Easy Bake
Placeholder vote for now. Content doesn't have much substance.

VOTE: Malakittens
i'm willing to vote Dessew but only if it's getting near the end of the day tomorrow

VOTE: Enchant
Scum doesn’t want to allow me to shoot N3, so they’ll have to kill me N1/N2.

so i think mala is prob not scum since t3 actually voted there day 1. If you notice, T3 shot the only oother person t3 voted in day 1. Had t3 voted scum on day 1 i HIGHLY doubt that scum would risk letting a scum mate get shot.

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I'm OK with Mala, dess, kop... Maybe drew....mayyybe bristep being scum. Personally I think the whole group is in that list. If I'm wrong about anyone it's redff but I don't think so.

im gonna take mala and put them as a tr for now.

So poe is dess, kop, drew, bristep.... redff possibly.

I wont be voting miti or mala today. Hell of a risk to take if scum let the vig shoot after the vig had voted scum d1.

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What.

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Explain that Mala.

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Fine then I won't even bother fucking trying.
I'm trying to eliminate pool by voting.

I'll go back to lurking.

hey umm... how about you keep trying lol. Obviously im gonna sus you sussing me.

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Why is there so much hesitancy regarding dess? Seems like everyone is getting thrown at as scum my as we get close to a dess vote out.

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I mean I think dess is way more likely than bri.

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Heres where my reads are rn

Town

T3
TChill
DV
Mittilos
Kop
Malakittens
Dessew
Doctor Drew
Bristep

Scum

hey how about we dont all agree that im as townie as the conf town and get a target put on my back. Cant game solve if im night killed. Thanks.

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VOTE: Mala

I'd like to vote Dess, but I feel that Mala needs more pressure, because that last post absolutely stinks. It might be frustration, or it set out to be appearing like that, but I don't see that coming from town.

this is absolutely disgusting if dess ever flips scum btw. Noting this.

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Acting like you want to vote dess and voting dess is two seperate things.

Ofc if you wanted anything but dess I think bristep would be the easier thing to push.

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Are we going to make a habit of little to no game solving until deadline?

My main thing with Militos is they are clearly the only ones trying to catch scum. Actively. And I'm doing my best to not blow up the thread trying to do the same.

I'm honestly surprised I'm read as more town than Militos by some people here.

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Based on game history? I'm not even sure when the last game I played was lol.

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I could meet you in the middle on kop in all honesty.

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To be fair DV did announce its time to get things moving.

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I guess this site never started voting out all liars....

What the heck.

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if its t3 lying about his role, i dont really mind it. mala had to go

Ah cool. Part of the problem lol. I'll try not to discuss the topic any longer though. Don't want it effecting the game.

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i have a guilty on drew VOTE: doctor drew

Do you have any non guilties before we presumably steam roll this and then you get night killed?

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What the hell red.

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[tweet][/tweet]Why would you unvote confirmed scum after saying you're OK with townies lying.

DAMN IT MAN.

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I freaking hate town that lies. It's so detrimental to the game and it's just players that are incapable of convincing others which is a key component of the game.

If you know drew is town there's no reason to unvote. What the hell man.

If you "know" dres is town and you're lying to get your way. You better freaking say that.

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Know drew is scum. My bad.

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if its t3 lying about his role, i dont really mind it. mala had to go

Right before you claim something you literally say town can lie all they want.

Why would town unvote confirmed scum. Ever.

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Red is probably town here and drew is probably scum here. But still. What the hell.

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And we're not gonna steam roll in 5 minutes. I asked what his not guilties were. The only benefit of extending this day phase is getting THAT particular information and moving on.

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T3 did you shoot again?

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i agree with you that town lying is generally bad. its not a big deal in t3's case though, since he is confirmed town, and claiming he was odd night only is not a big deal and may have got him an extra shot.

Is t3 confirmed town? If they're an odd night vig. Scum would have killed them night 2 to avoid the night 3 kill. I'd imagine t3 being killed night 3 would mean t3 still got the shot off.

OR, red. Did you get a not guilty on t3?

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Screw all liars.

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I'm not mad about the state of the game.

I'm just mad... That people will never learn that lying as town is a terrible terrible idea. It will literally never get punished.

T3 who did you shoot? And why?

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Why are you waiting so long to comment on my question red? Did you or did you not use that action already and what was the results?

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I've lost games cus of town claiming to be PRs. It confuses the hell out of me when it starts happening. It makes it extremely difficult for me to trust ppl.

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Answer the question red.

Also I hard agree.

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See if you can keep killing townies as much as scum have liar.

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Yeah red is obviously ignoring my question about previous not guilties.

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So you're going to take information that is helpful to town to your grave? You're willingly going to do that. Since you're an investigative role scum are killing you.

Give me a break.

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Surely you did not talk about how lying is OK right before you lied about a guilty? For the love tell me that's now what has happened.

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I need proof you're a PR. That's all I'm asking.

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Idc what it is.

Answer the damn question.

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I'm not voting there today. No way. Not until you explain yourself.

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You've done shit all the entire game. And right after saying you're OK with town lying you do this.

Prove yourself.

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No way you're getting 4 other ppl to vote with you after this terrible explanation and refusal to cooperate. Good luck.

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I've been around the block t3.

I've also seen a VT say the same thing. Way too many times.

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I'm not believing another word from you until you talk about your non guilties red.

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I bet they're ppl that already flipped.

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I think red is town. Because this "big play" would be dumb as hell to do as scum. Red would just get eliminated next day phase. We already got one scum in college/enchant. So there'd have to be 2 night kills...

And while it's actually possible that happens. I don't believe t3 would be dumb enough to shoot and possibly give scum the win if drew flipped town here.

The absolute absurdity it would be if t3 and red were both scum... Which I don't think to be the case.

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Oh shit drew counter claimed.

I'll have to look back at drew. None of this makes sense. Cus if drew is scum here and red flips town then drew gets eliminated immediately next day phase. So neither "possible" scum are making good long term plays here.

If you're drew idk why you'd counter claim when you didn't have to. Enough questionable actions from red had already been established before Drew's claim.

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Heres where my reads are rn

Town

T3
TChill
DV
Mittilos
Kop
Malakittens
Dessew
Doctor Drew
Bristep

Scum

From your previous posts it seemed bristep was on your radar as well. If you're actually a PR I'm hard assuming you've interacted with bristep with an action.

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I'm OK with Mala, dess, kop... Maybe drew....mayyybe bristep being scum. Personally I think the whole group is in that list. If I'm wrong about anyone it's redff but I don't think so.

You think Red could be scum?

Also, kinda feel that Mala would be more engaged as scum. Kind of seems to not fully to be paying attention, feel like scum would be more cognisant of that.

More so I think im not perfect and assuming that im wrong somewhere and I feel I'd be most wrong with redff.

Anything about Red that jumps out to you? Personally I have them up there with T3(obvs) and DV as solid town reads(maybe Miti as well).

I'd like to know when this changed.

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I still haven't liked Bristeps logic Re: The NK and how it relates to Dessew. Starting to think there is some connective tissue there. I like making the elim between them.

VOTE: bristep

Went back and checked the VC, should be 3 votes apiece for both bri and Dess.

Funnily enough. If Drew is actually a PR I'd assume they interacted with bristep at some point well given drew pushed bristep pretty hard consistently.

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It is only day 3 correct? So... Red is making a big deal over hiding the results of... One night action. One.

I need Drew's and red's night one results and why that player was targeted.

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I was waiting for T3 to say who they targeted.

I have proof that red is scum.

I tracked red to Miti.

VOTE: red

Up until this point drew does not indicate a change of his town read stance on red according to there ISO.

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Dess, Drew, bristep and kop are all still in the game. These were people at the bottom to mid tier of red's latest read list before the end of day 2.

Idk how "likely" it is they chose drew. Correctly. Out of 4 options. When DREW was the scum that made the night kill.

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If drew had shown a natural progression from TR'ing red to scum reading red then I'd actually be more enclined to believe drew here.

But that's not the case. So I can't tell atm.

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Dess, Drew, bristep and kop are all still in the game. These were people at the bottom to mid tier of red's latest read list before the end of day 2.

Idk how "likely" it is they chose drew. Correctly. Out of 4 options. When DREW was the scum that made the night kill.

Mala just died right this last night phase right? So make that 5 options technically. Cus red could have targeted Mala who then died.

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But t3 isn't gonna shoot again if someone flips town here.

Vigs have the option to not shoot correct?

Even if they didn't the vig would shoot the opposite of red/drew if the other was voted out today and flipped town.

This is terrible scum play from drew or red.

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Bristep you ever seen a VT fake claim with no provocation? I have.

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It is interesting to me that drew is more forthcoming with info than red.

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Ah. That's a good point bristep.

That means IF TRUE drew has a not guilty on someone night one. And he's not telling us about that. So if we were to vote out drew and red die. That's info town is missing. Very helpful info as its a hard clear.

See why I'm hesitating on believing drew here?

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Well you definitely aren't hiding another hard guilty from us from night 1.

So idk what the hold up is. Unless you're night 1 action is conveniently someone who already flipped town. Then I have a problem due to how you've gone about this.

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Big egos ruin the game. "I got all the info I'm gonna hold town hostage and call the shots". Or.... The even bigger egos... "Yeah I knew drum was scum. That's why I faked a guilty on him. Dangerous play but ya know my reads are that good so it's whatever".

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this is absurd ALL YOU CAN HAVE IS A NON GUILTY. it literally can only help town. My gosh man.

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VOTE: redff

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yeah t3 has killed as many town as scum has. Greeaat place to run to for advice.

t3 is singlehandedly more detrimental to town than scum is.

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you're putting words in my mouth. Dr drew counter claiming you HAS NOT changed the situation for me regarding you specifically. You're just using it to wiggle out of having to explain yourself.

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Stop assuming things for me. You know what you're doing.

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"I recommend" cool ego bro.

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UNVOTE:

I mean ik drew is scum here. Has to be. But I hate how red is going about this.

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I mentioned let's not steam roll. You agree. I ask questions for info. You disagree and go right back to the steam roll.

You're a terrible pr.

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Hopefully some of the others will agree that red should share before he dies.

In my opinion you're hard claiming you can't die somehow.

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Drew I'd ask for you go tell us who your scum mate is but I think red already knows that too.

All hail red.

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Had you crumbled a red scum read your fake claim may have actually worked in all honesty.

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VOTE: drew

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Red I do apologize about the behavior. That's my pet peeve. Been a while since I played. My bad.

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Easy win from here on out though. Good job with your role red!

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Lmao that is a rail road. I've got a work thing today so I'd appreciate it deasvail if you gave me time.

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We need 3 people to vote the same. I'd like to hear from t3 why I'm scum.

It's obviously bristep from my pov and I'd like the opportunity to build a legitimate case there before getting hammered.

I'm one of the main reasons college got voted out. I'm the only one that pointed out drew didn't change his stance from a red town read then all of a sudden "tracked" red.

Bristep I do not believe has tried to game solve at all. Other than letting my pet peeve get the best of me as far as red goes I've played pretty well and have helped town along the way.

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If there's a vote out and scum kill someone and t3 shoots someone how does that even play out in order of operations?

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I wouldn’t expect tchill to point to something as scummy having done the same (mod joke vote) if he was scum himself, risk of drawing too much attention - which it has. College drawing the same conclusion then switching to DEB - maybe some sus behaviour so for now VOTE: collegegoer

Deasveil - my thought process is that I’m speculating without experience, first game since late 2018 and I haven’t played regularly since 2012.

The points about Dessew sway me, so let’s push them to 5.

VOTE: Dessew

Pretty clearly hops off college day 1 for another wagon that had already built steam.

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Heres where my reads are rn

Town

T3
TChill
DV
Mittilos
Kop
Malakittens
Dessew
Doctor Drew
Bristep

Scum

Red I agree with your list with the exception of me obv. I would just switch Drew and Dess around.

This is the first mention of drew the entire game so far.

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P4

Ok big ol ew to both Tchill and College

Pre Edit: Wait, there is a vig claim?

Do we think drew mentioned his scum mates specifically this early day 1? Lol

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I still haven't liked Bristeps logic Re: The NK and how it relates to Dessew. Starting to think there is some connective tissue there. I like making the elim between them.

VOTE: bristep

Went back and checked the VC, should be 3 votes apiece for both bri and Dess.

Drew voting bristep when a seperate wagon is there for distancing purposes but also at a safe time.

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Drew didn't push bristep at all unless there was a seperate wagon.

T3 Idk if I hurt your feelings or what with my comments on your vig play but opening the day with a vote is objectively not the greatest course of action.

As for the tantrum yesterday. Bristep saying that felt forced. That's pretty rich cus bristep hasn't hardly played at all. Siting "rust". At least I nailed college/enchant day 1 of all days when it is easiest to vote out town. There were other options "dessew" and I stayed firmly planted on colleg/enchant.

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College/enchant do not mention bristep at all.

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Distancing? I got enchant voted off lol.

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We need 3 people to vote the same. I'd like to hear from t3 why I'm scum.

It's obviously bristep from my pov and I'd like the opportunity to build a legitimate case there before getting hammered.

I'm one of the main reasons college got voted out. I'm the only one that pointed out drew didn't change his stance from a red town read then all of a sudden "tracked" red.

Bristep I do not believe has tried to game solve at all. Other than letting my pet peeve get the best of me as far as red goes I've played pretty well and have helped town along the way.

I just don't see a world where bristep is scum with Doctor Drew tbh

So there's just no room for me to operate at all in that? I mean the game history shows pretty obviously why bristep is much more likely to be scum with Drew/enchant

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There's no way that's the case though! Day 1 shows I'm not scum with college! I could pull the same argument.

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You should probably claim

Town Novice Odd Night Vig. Basically, I can shoot on all odd nights except for N1.

Why except N1?

I've seen and heard of several odd and even night roles, but never have I seen one where it can't be used the first chance it gets. Like a even night but can't use it N2 etc.

Is it brazen enough to fake claim as scum thinking we'll let you hang around till N3 to prove the role? I don't know. And even if you're telling the truth about being a Town Novice Odd Night Vig, you still can't prove your role till N3.

VOTE: enchant

Let's back off t3. Maybe there's a way to figure that out before night 3... As for flippy. If you'd like I'm willing to vote out either enchant or dess.

I flip flopped my vote quite a bit early day phase then PARKED it in enchant. Did I discuss other options? Yep. Did I move my vote? Ever? Nope.

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VoteCount 1.6

Enchant [ 6 ]

Doctor Drew, Tchill13, T3, Kop, Malakittens, redff

Dessew [ 3 ]

Mitillos, Dr Easy Bake, Bristep123

Mitillos [ 2 ]

Dessew, Enchant

T3 [ 1 ]

DeasVail

Not Voting [ 1 ]

Emperor flippyNips

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2023-04-03 16:47:31)

Not only were me and drew both on the enchant slot we were both THE FIRST TWO. I AM NOT SCUM WITH DREW AND ENCHANT.

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T3, kop, Mala,and red followed with the most reasoning being "to avoid a no elimination."

Meanwhile bristep was in dess the entire time. The only possible counter wagon of the day.

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Wait... If we no vote and just have t3 shoot bristep we win right? Or we vote and t3 doesn't shoot.

I don't think masons a role cop and a vig is balanced at all btw. I am throwing that out there.

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Wait a second scum has to have a vest or something correct? Cus if they can't be killed by the vig. And we vote out town. T3 shoots scum but the vest stops it. Scum night kill and win.

If the scum do not have a vest it's just a win for town right? Vote out town. Vig and scum kill each other. One Town left remaining.

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I think t3 is scum.

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Opened with a vote today for little to no reason. Makes zero sense to do as town before letting everyone talk.

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And be sure to take this with a grain of salt as deasvail has not said Bristep is definitely town.

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It doesn't make sense that t3 is still around... Please give me time to make my case on t3 tonight.

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Bristep is reading as super genuine. And I understand where they're coming from.

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I'm... Not sure bristep. That's why I asked for time to check lol.

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Explain why he'd be left alive after a vig claim day 1???

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There is a smoking gun. But like I said work and all. I'll post more tonight.

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OK can someone else read the roles for me and confirm scum have no capable way of getting an extra night kill? What the hell.

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You should probably claim

Town Novice Odd Night Vig. Basically, I can shoot on all odd nights except for N1.

Why except N1?

I've seen and heard of several odd and even night roles, but never have I seen one where it can't be used the first chance it gets. Like a even night but can't use it N2 etc.

Is it brazen enough to fake claim as scum thinking we'll let you hang around till N3 to prove the role? I don't know. And even if you're telling the truth about being a Town Novice Odd Night Vig, you still can't prove your role till N3.

VOTE: enchant

Let's back off t3. Maybe there's a way to figure that out before night 3... As for flippy. If you'd like I'm willing to vote out either enchant or dess.

I'm at work can't talk much. I'm not a VT. Crumbed it here.

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Bristep I clearly did not pivot off of you because you'd be a hard push. Deasvail was still undecided. I'm a PR and I thought that'd show t3 isn't a vig cus that's too strong for town but I looked at the possible roles and I can't figure out how he t3 would be scum mechanically.

There's a reason red's claim of an investigative role wasn't well received from me.

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I'm a tracker. Tracked t3 to Dr easy bake night 1. Tracked deasvail no where night 2. Tracked kop no where night 3.

This is why I "assumed" red was a tracker to see if they'd slip up on their initial claim. I didn't believe there could be an investigative and a tracker and a vig and 2 masons. From my history with this site they assume town will play poorly and scum will play perfectly to justify unbalanced setups.

It's really a shame here if bristep continues to tunnel me. I moved my push off of bristep and onto t3 BEFORE EVEN GETTING DEASVAILS THOUGHTS ON BRISTEP. That is the important part. I'm also aware of the fact how utterly stupid it's going to look to push the "conftown vig" here. As scum I would have a better shot getting bristep voted out.

The change from bristep to t3 didn't come out of a need to appeal to deasvail. And I'm aware it's much less likely to work than a bristep push. So as scum I have no need to do that. Cus if I were scum with a vest then it's game over on the bristep vote out which is way more likely.

This change coupled with the enchant slot getting voted out that was put into motion by ME and DREW. So you're saying his 2 scum mates got him voted out.

Is pretty much improbable. I hope yall can see how terrible that scum play would be. It's too bad for me to be scum.

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Scum winning off a fake claim and some weird role modifier seems to be the path we're going down.

I really, really don't think bristep is scum here. I think it's the so called vig who hast done anything in terms of actual game play to help solve. T3 has been a night action only player.

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*sigh* what happened to the smoking gun on T3 we were going to get after work yesterday? What happened to you being certain it’s me before the sudden declaration that t3 is scuk? You have been all over the place on d4 and this now feels like we’re about to see a fake claim - although at the moment what you’ve said is true either way. At this point I feel like you know there’s a deadlock so you’re trying to make everything so noisy to push towards a no elim.

I would have been capable of eventually swaying t3 to vote you had deasvail had my back. Simply because t3 would vote either of us to win this day phase. You're not shocked at how early he voted me? If you're scum or I'm scum then we'd be the only two that would vote early. No way t3 would be able to know that quickly. T3 wanted this day phase to end without even hearing from me.

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If I was scum and I had a vest the long push on bristep is the optimal play.

If I'm scum and I did not have a vest, and drew didn't have a vest... And enchant doesn't have a vest. The optimal play is to vote out t3 early

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Someone check my scum game history. I'm better than that.

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ive thought about it a lot and i think its correct to claim this, i have an innocent on deasvail. if t3 shoots tonight, it'll be 4 player tomorrow with 2 players confirmed town. t3 shoots kop tonight, you lim bristep tomorrow, the game should be over. tchill is the wild card here but i think he's likely town from his irate posting today. its hard to fake.

It really, really does not make sense for me to kill t3 over red here as scum either even if I have a vest. Red reads me as town. Meaning he'd probably investigate kop or bristep with his night action. Meaning if I were scum I'd just push the other one after deasvails Mason claim and it'd be GGs.

The bristep drew interaction makes me feel good that bristep is town.

T3 being scum is the only thing that can be possible here. Even if it is unlikely. Which I think it's more likely given all the PRs town have. Which is the smoking gun imo.

I don't think yall understand how absurd leaving t3 alive, then opening on bristep, then switching to t3 before getting opinions on bristep from deasvail.... Actually is.

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Ah. Well GGs t3 or bristep. Smh.

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I don't blame you DV. But damn.

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the mistake was the n2 kill. They knew red wasn't vanilla but shot mit instead.

If scum kills red they have a really good shot of winning this game.

The red herring really helped out town here. Assuming red was a bodyguard was incorrect.

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It's the fact t3 joke voted then vla'd.

Doesn't matter.

Town

won since the

DEB tchill

duo has been

established.

I had a pretty gnarly Mason fake claim set up due to Dr bakes early LOL posting but red just so happened to investigate the Mason lol.

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I just failed to realize that the vig being left alive one night too long meant an auto town win. GGs to everyone!

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A couple thoughts: the vig only had 40 posts in the entire game.

Very town sided set up as the scum only had 1 functional PR. The "strong man" was actually their to purposefully throw off scum.

I think Mala played the best game by far. No other town tried to game solve at all. Scum obviously could have done their night kills better.

Very low activity game overall. Very enjoyable as a first game back though! Thanks TSQ.

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I think that's a conversation worth having. If the setup is deemed as "swingy" it is likely to come off as being one sided.

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TSQ I'm thankful you modded the game this isn't anything directed at you lol.

I just remember having a conversation with some of the mods right before I left this site. And it was summed up from my POV as assuming towns Vigs always miss. There PRS perform horribly. Etc... And scum play optimally.

A vig is a stronger role than most ppl think and this is a good example.

T3 posted 40 times the entire active game. He never shot scum. Yet he removed scums options when it came to carrying players to the last day phase that would guarantee scum a win. T3 never game solved.

But you could say he easily did the most for town just by hard claiming vig. Now most games scum would just kill the vig early. Ofc you had a scum herring that meant there could be a BG.

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And scum could have easily killed still with the one shot strongman.

I tend to lead towards creating chaos. And that isn't always the smartest thing.

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I'm objectively talking about the setup before the game was played at all, not the decisions made during the game.

I can give my thoughts regarding that later.

If masons, vig and an invest all goes right. There's one scum day 3. If it all goes wrong. There 4 conf town players and an inactive townie shot rolling into day 2.

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That's based off night actions alone. Vig is conf town based off a claim and kill.

The game wasn't played optimally from scums pov. But that's typically the route I go when 1 of the 3 scum slots are extremely inactive day one if I'm scum.

Good VTs are stronger than good PRs. Mala was definitely going that route and if I remember correctly flippy is capable as well.

The balance was just cushion for town to have room for mistakes and still win. Which is typical for this site. Might be an overreaction to most players here not trying as town so that they can win scum games easier.

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I guess my perspective is that scum had the tools to win this game and chose not to, and that yes the vig is a powerful role even when they always shoot town, but its not like town had a ton of other power.

I think not shooting redff is a big blunder that lost you the game on the spot.

While I agree with this there no reason for scum to think there's an invest when 2 masons and a vig has been confirmed. And there's also a red herring for a bodyguard or vest somewhere.

Red also had played the game in a way I preferred they be in the last day phase.

The goal as scum should be to take the group you feel can be swayed in your best interest. Obv had I thought red was an invest and not a bodyguard red would have been the night kill.

The main issue I'd say I made was not killing t3. I should have read up on the game and realized there's no way to portray them as scum after double kills. T3 wasn't helpful to town in game solving but t3 did kill off players that lurked.

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Look at it from this perspective too: Town made only one miselimination but managed to be in a 3v1 situation on D4. Had there been just two miseliminations in the first three days, town would have lost. This is usually absurd in a 13-player game.

The vig only became as powerful as he did because 1) you didn't kill him and 2) town did its job.

I do agree that the setup was incredibly swingy, though.

I think town played extremely poorly outside of pr actions. Of course scum played worse cus we lost lol. It is what it is.