Micro 1071: MafiaInFreezer v2023 (Game Over)

[Syryana]

VOTE: syry

Be town by page ten or die

OMGUS

VOTE: notscience

Man my gif library is so outdated most of my shit doesn't work anymore

[Syryana]

Yeah I'm good with that

VOTE: Kilga

[Syryana]

Personally I'd prefer Kilga to Cakez today

I'm vaguely curious what the others think but I'm also bored enough to let notty hammer if we don't get anywhere soonish

[Syryana]

fuck I almost forgot

Dayvig: LLD

[Syryana]

dunn town

yep

[Syryana]

Dunn's got a point notty

You're breaking my heart here bud

[Syryana]

Naidrasse, I love it

[Syryana]

Fine

VOTE: cakez

[Syryana]

I can't do it

Kilga I'm sorry you rolled red this time bud but you need death

VOTE: Kilga

[Syryana]

I've never seen Notty called that before I literally had to read it three times before I got it.

It's a programming thing, the ! stands for "not"

[Syryana]

It’s all he calls me lol

You, head, ass. Where's your vote dude. Fuck your hammer, do something.

[Syryana]

Talking down was not my intent, and I am sorry if it came off that way. I assume people generally do not know programming references like that and was just explaining where it came from

[Syryana]

zzz

[Syryana]

Notty you and I both know that if you're determined to be in trollfuck mode literally nothing I do or say is going to pull you out of it

Do you think Cakez flinging shit at the walls is alignment indicative

Do you have any scumreads

[Syryana]

You fucking around was objectively less interesting to me than killing Kilga, which I am still on board for, see vote

There wasnt much point trying to read you until you decided to come out of it, so let's talk

From what I remember of Xenoblade 2 Cakez at least vaguely tried to put in some effort until Cabd pointed his nose in Cakez' general direction, at which point Cakez folded like a cheap card table

While I agree that his posting is godawful I'm not convinced it couldn't come from Cakez as town

[Syryana]

While I agree that his posting is godawful I'm not convinced it couldn't come from Cakez as town

Actually let me expand on this a bit
I don't necessarily think that Cakez isn't scum so much as I'm more convinced Kilga is scum. I can also imagine a reality where Cakez!town posts like this because they don't know what else to do and it's RVS, but I can't imagine a reality where Kilga posts the first two things they posted as town

[Syryana]

I think he went for what he assumed would be one of the easiest pushes to try and wiggle himself out of it

I mean he RVS wagoned himself then voted you for being a trolly trollfuck
Why do you think Cakez is scum for voting you when you're presently sus of me for NOT voting you

[Syryana]

Diff people get diff standards

You’re in the “notty is fuckin around and he’s gonna find out” pool

I think you overestimate my ability to make you find out

Anyways let's put Cakez aside for the moment, who else are you looking at

Pedit hi Naidrasse

[Syryana]

Don't just buy into wordless reaction images because they're clever or something.

[Syryana]

I feel that these two posts are two different explanations for the same vote

The part that snags me is where he says "If my vote is still there for the same reasons when we're a lot closer to the end of the day, I'll be at least as worried about it as you appear to be. ". That makes no sense to me if they do not consider their vote to be on a lurker.

I think we're on the same page here but just to make sure: the first post Kilga says "hey, I don't like voting lurkers but it's early and I like everyone else so the hell with it I'm voting Wavelength for being a lurker" versus the second post where Kilga says "oh when I said lurker a second ago I meant people with low post count but I'm voting Wavelength for low thread presence, not being a lurker". And the part that bothers you is the retcon of the reason Kilga is voting Wavelength, right? It doesn't work as a clarification because in the second post Kilga implies they were never voting WL for being a lurker which contradicts the aside to catboi about being worried for voting a lurker near the end of day.

[Syryana]

Notty, since I have you here:

Do you think the inconsistencies here are more indicative of scumplay from Kilga or townplay? I can't help but wonder if if scum!Kilga wouldn't be a bit more careful in planning their statements out.

[Syryana]

I read that post and I wanted to see how syr responded to it, which he...didn't really. I thought 77 was a little suspect at the time because it kind of felt like he was latching on to any suspicion that gained some level of sway with the thread but it was...kind of an early game gut thing I didn't want to make a move on, if that makes sense. I'm not whelmed by what he's posting on page 6 but...I dunno. Game feels a bit like it's stuck in neutral.

Ironically I didn't respond to it because I was curious to see what other people's reactions were to it. I guess I could now if you think there's any value in my doing so, but otherwise I don't plan to bother.

feel as if syr is trying to walk a fine line between the two and kind of walk people through the game holding hands
while being like well this could come from x town right (said abt cakez)

I literally watched Cakez do this wishy washy woe is me crap as town in Smoke Filled so yes I thought there was a nonzero chance he's town here
That being said he actually played the game in Smoke Filled and the refill for my box of fucks is late so let's gearshift this game already

VOTE: SirCakez

[Syryana]

Still pretty happy with my vote. Cakez never dies in this setup if scum have any kind of blocking power.

i got cold feet what can i say

why

[Syryana]

Syry how does it feel to be pushed by me

[Syryana]

It will be here tonight

[Syryana]

Notty I am so incredibly disappointed in you rn

[Syryana]

No.

For days he called you scum.

For days he promised a case.

When the time finally came, he says "oh, well, notty isn't actually scum ig so there won't be a case".

I expected your response to be

epic

. TO BE

LEGENDARY

!

[Syryana]

I know. I just wanted you to make me change my pants, like I did for you.

[Syryana]

Just as a heads up I'm not going to be able to respond to this until Sunday, ish

[Syryana]

Prodge. Content tomorrow.

[Syryana]

Notty, are you gonna be around tonight? Wanna hash some shit out.

[Syryana]

I'd prefer you be in full possession of your faculties but if you think we can figure this game out when you're high then fine

[Syryana]

Fair enough. When do you want to start

[Syryana]

Not sure. I'm bothered by a lot of things. I'll stream a bit of consciousness and you can pick what you wanna deal with. Why Wavelength over, say, LLD? Why hasn't catboi taken a firm stance on anybody but kinda sorta Dunn this game? What do you think of Kilga (I originally zeroed in on his first two posts because I thought they were something town!Kilga never says in any universe ever but after doing a post Cakez reset I'm not as convinced and I actually like his push on Ydra). Dunn I also wanna talk about but I'll save him for later.

[Syryana]

Actually I take that back I'm starting to see why Wavelength.

[Syryana]

Yeah I came to that conclusion after rereading my post. I think I'm overthinking that one.

Pedit: Killing you for the hammer is stupid. You choreographed that you were lolhammering all day, and we all knew as soon as literally anyone was at E-1 they were gonna die if you were paying any attention. That reminds me, I wanted to ask him something.

[Syryana]

i feel bad because i was at work and i thought cakez's posting was towny but i didn't bother posting it at the time and maybe i could have like helped him somehow. sorry dude

i didn't make that vote with the intention of eliminating him and i'm in general very pissed at that hammer especially given the shitshow in open 873, he should know better

Why did you make the vote then

[Syryana]

Dude I’m just having trouble parsing kilga

Like his push on ydra for inconsistency in a fourteen page game??

But I also realize I’m not the reigning authority when it comes to ydra as I’ve already kinda mentioned. But I am on the town side of the spectrum, it’s just with these little voices on my shoulders saying “why are you seeing it here and not there”

My problem with Ydra is that according to her she was very excited to play the game in RVS then just dropped off the face of the earth. Inconsistency is one thing but she starts off after with srsKilgaVote, then says spiritually she thinks Cakez is scum too, then pops me into the mix because I'm "holding hands with people", whatever that means. There's no thought behind her play, no reevaluation after being wrong on Cakez. Hell, if I had a dayvig shot I'd have dayvigged Kilga yesterday and even

I'm

reevaluating. She accused Kilga of lining up miselims, but I think it looks more like that's what she's doing than Kilga.

[Syryana]

You’re missing the context that I just had a really fucking rough game that tilted the fuck out of me for probably 85% of my time alive

Like, I’m def a lil more loosey goosey than I should be

Fair, but I'd be way more tilted at you had you just lolhammered out of nowhere. You didn't.

[Syryana]

What are the concerns w Dunn

I really really really hated his final post pre-Night1 after you hammered Cakez. I'm rereading it now to figure out why I hated it so much but I definitely felt it was performative

Pedit holy shit beetlejuice

[Syryana]

his final post pre-Night1 after you hammered Cakez. I'm rereading it now to figure out why I hated it so much but I definitely felt it was performative

276, specifically.

i got swept up into finishing off the pyp that ended so all of my attention gamewise went there
coming back to this it doesnt seem like anyone really cares which makes it harder to care too

I care. After I get done with Notty I'm gonna start throwing brimstone at people to get them to care too.

i also dont really think that i am lining anything up given that ive made one vote and even then im kind of hemming and hawing
like who is my partner i guess follows this logic or what am i waiting for
do you think im just letting apathy sweep through this

I mean, lining people up is what it looks like to me. You started with Kilga. Then added Cakez and me. Cakez flips town, it's still Kilga and me. Three misyeets (if Kilga is town) and you win. Doesn't matter who your partner is at that point. And yeah, optimal scum strat here is to let apathy win.

yes i beetlejuice
people actually posting is tempting

[Syryana]

I’ve been mulling over how I feel about LLDs intro into today

What do you think of that syr

I find it aggravating, certainly. If you put a gun to my head I probably say it's town!LLD over scum. I don't know her town from scum meta these days but I think that sort of smug finger-wag comes from a town!LLD perspective.

Pedit yes I know my recollection of when it happened with regards to the hammer post was slightly off sorry. All of his twilight posts sucked but I didn't like his vote post the most

[Syryana]

are you calling having a poe lining up elims lol

When I have no information about why you think anyone is town, the pool is the same as before the Cakez flip, and you're sitting back waiting to see which one of your favored mislims gains traction (I mean hell you think Kilga's push on you is trash and he was in your scumpool BEFORE his trash push, why does his push suddenly make you hem and haw, it makes no sense), then yes, it looks exactly like you're lining up miselims.

[Syryana]

i feel like if you feel im doing that
its probably important to actually care about who my partner is rather than pointing a finger like "oh look what she's doing"

No, because I believe as a general rule that associatives are complete garbage until we have at least one mafia flip.

[Syryana]

I mean this probably makes me the old man shaking his cane at people but I've seen so many games thrown because people these days are obsessed with "the solve" and just do the wildest shit to justify why two unflipped people are scum together. Associatives are well and good on flipped scum but until you GET a flipped scum I don't think it's worth the time and effort to figure out who their partner is.

[Syryana]

Alright, well, you're here now. Where are you at?

[Syryana]

hot take:

VOTE: LLD

I think she's not been towny where other people have exhibited some signs and in the back of my mind I have been thinking the wavelength kill makes sense as a low info kill.

That's a spicy take indeed. What makes you think scum, specifically? Happy to wait until you're done with your reread.

Pedit I agree the cakez back off was underwhelming. Thing is for me the little fingerwag she did at the start of toDay doesn't really ring scum for me, I wouldn't expect such an... obvious? move to come from her as scum.

[Syryana]

You wrote "I got cold feet" and expected what, the entire wagon to fall over? Seriously?

[Syryana]

I have an idea what the problem is with your post Dunn, but before I talk about it I'd like catboi to elaborate on his doubts

[Syryana]

sorry yall today sucked I'll try to get to this tomorrow

[Syryana]

I do think you and Syr is certainly possible as the solution given the above and a general feeling from how I think the Mafia team would have approached the Cakez situation post-claim, but I'm not yet as sold on Syr as I am on you.

- Syr and !science I'm comfortable dunking into the Town Bin barring something cataclysmic coming to light.

What happened between points A and B to change your mind? 323 implies I'm at best nullscum to you and now I'm in the town bin, and the only reference to me between is you discussing Ydra's takes on me.

[Syryana]

I appreciate that you are at last taking some level of meaningful stance on my alignment, because it has felt actively bizarre to me people seemingly don't really have any sort of opinion on me. This game has unfortunately been a struggle for me, which is kind of a theme fot a lot of games running back to last year. I didn't have that problem in PYP, I don't know what the issue is, I don't feel compelled to check the game. Normally I'd expect some suspicion or at least people commenting on me but a lot of the game doesn't seem to be saying much about me.

It's not really all that surprising, is it? Other than call dunn town you've been riding that fence so hard this game I get splinters every time you post. You voted cakez, but went afk while he died (yes, I know, other games, engagement here, we're not gonna get anywhere going down that road I'm just making the point) then came back and complained because he got killed because you were just voting for pressure. You voted LLD once for pressure since.

I STILL don't have a solid opinion on you. I know you as either alignment can play better than you've been playing and I can see the play you've shown thus far to be coming from a disengaged either alignment. Unfortunately that's been true of a lot of people this game, not just you.

I've gotten off track, I think. My original point was "why are you surprised nobody's commenting on you when you're one of several completely disengaged players this game".

[Syryana]

You've taken agreeable stances with agreeable justifications

Such as?

[Syryana]

wondering if any of the people i have expressed any curiosity in could be interchangeable

I'll bite. What does your gut tell you

[Syryana]

I think...normally I'm more used to people having

some

form of opinion on me even when I'm not invested in the game. The treatment is...weird? Even if a player isn't invested in the game it's kind of surprising to have people seemingly punt on making a read on me at all.

If you don't have an opinion on me, are you just waiting for me to get my head into the game or what?

You and half the playerlist, yes.

That it was telegraphed dosn't...change a whole lot for me. Like, do you think he couldn't/wouldn't play it that way as scum? Because that's not really hard to do and has obvious pro-scum utility. Actually, the hammer bothers me significantly less than the "wait what" after cakez made his "fuck you I was town" post - that looked artificial to me. I've been giving notty space though because if he's town I want to give him an opportunity to show it rather than blindly killing but so far I'm not really whelmed by anything I'm seeing from him.

My point was that the hammer was NAI and that yeeting him because he hammered was bad. It sounds like you agree with me there. I'm not sure I agree with the assessment of "wait what" being artificial but I'll give it another look.

I don't really think that's close to what she's doing at all and in fact she's probably one of the people I'm more confident is town out of anything.

Okay, because? I don't know that I've ever even played with Ydra before so I have nothing to go on there.

[Syryana]

As a second aside, I will note that I haven't really seen a satisfactory response to my request for someone to explain the Dunnstral case to me. Not holding this against anyone, just indicating that I haven't forgotten about it and am simply still not buying into it.

Personally I think it's more a playstyle clash than a genuine scumtell. At least that's how it ended up for me.

[Syryana]

Is "trust me bro" not going to cut it?

[Syryana]

VOTE: notscience

[Syryana]

his posting today has been underwhelming after promising to do things but he also had that big v/la so i dunno

i don't have good reason to townread him now though. i want to give him a chance to actually play...still

Oh for god's sake just bus him already

[Syryana]

A !science push times of all times feels

really

bizarrely timed. If there's reason to vote for him now surely there was reason to vote for him on Tuesday?

I have a reason for this, but I'm not talking about it yet.

[Syryana]

it's cute that you think i need that much prompting

Sometimes you just have to be coy

If you N1 shoot your partner in the head every game people start to get sus

[Syryana]

- I think syr is pretty towny actually and I liked what he was doing on page 14, it feels like he has been trying to kick the game into gear even if the engine won't start

- still think kilga is scummy

As for the first part, if you hadn't seen it by now I'd be speed-yeeting you

As for the second, why?

Also you still owe me that explanation for Naidrasse

[Syryana]

i don’t think i’ve actually like really refused
you just don’t like the answers that you’re getting (vibes gut etc) i feel like and then you’re calling them wolfy because they’re not like… traditional or what you’re expecting which to me feels like on the one hand understandable if you want something you can get but in the other hand, my pov is that this could be an easy push to make that you’re getting mad about because you can’t make it with people defending me for reasons that are pretty wispy

i don’t have a strong process this game but i’m voting someone i feel could be a wolf atm. i’m not trying to disrespect you as a player but i literally don’t have the answers you want in like an essay format and you’re gonna have to accept that if you’re town. i’m not sure that you are but i recognize if you are this game probably fucking sucks to try and play so like. sorry but idk

I mean no you haven't said "lolno I'm not telling you" or anything but you also have been pretty vague about pretty much everything. I get it, gut and vibe is definitely a way to play mafia (hell, I played with Bert), but you could definitely throw Kilga (and me, since I tried to talk with you at one point too and got about as far as Kilga did) a bone and elaborate a bit on why you vibe/get gutfeels on person X. I don't want an essay on why you think X is town or scum but at least "I liked post 132" is a point I can interact with.

[Syryana]

i don't even know what you're asking me

Basically, you think Ydrasse is town. I think Ydrasse is a wolf for repeatedly refusing to explain why she has the suspicions/thought processes she has posted. My request to you was to square that behavior with your town read, e.g. give me a reason to think it's an honest town approach and not a wolf making shit up.

okay, sure.

so back when the game started there was this little queue in the notifications bar where Ydra had to then open an unread Private Message which turned out to contain her role PM which happened to be green.

So you see she can't be scum, she's got a green role PM.

Please don't do this.

[Syryana]

i don't even know what you're asking me

Basically, you think Ydrasse is town. I think Ydrasse is a wolf for repeatedly refusing to explain why she has the suspicions/thought processes she has posted. My request to you was to square that behavior with your town read, e.g. give me a reason to think it's an honest town approach and not a wolf making shit up.

okay, sure.

so back when the game started there was this little queue in the notifications bar where Ydra had to then open an unread Private Message which turned out to contain her role PM which happened to be green.

So you see she can't be scum, she's got a green role PM.

Please don't do this.

so i can't even joke now lmfao

got it

Joke? No, that's the kind of snarky, condescending thing people say to "caught scum". Kilga deserves better and I'm politely requesting you refrain from such in the future.

[Syryana]

You said something I find offensive. I politely and respectfully asked you not to in future. I won't be responding to this further.

[Syryana]

Man, this was not what I was expecting. This is like 2014 notty instead of 2023 notty. Where's the Cobra Kai?

I'm gonna be honest I looked at that notty post and my first instinct was "antispew". I try to avoid saying that because it's really not nice to say about someone when it's incorrect, but. Feels like beyond phoning it in it's refusing to commit to anything meaningful which I'd associae with not wanting to give anything away

Sadly I agree with you in that it was the first thing that I thought when I read it. The more I think about it the more I'm starting to get deja vu from yesterday though.

I told you coming into today I expected to die in karmic retribution lol

I think clearing me off the board keeps me from being a marci tomorrow so logistically, yeah, I think it makes sense

If you're town here dude work with me here. Forget about the lolhammer, we all do dumb shit from time to time, it happened, let's do something about it.

UNVOTE:

[Syryana]

Kilga what do you think of 524

[Syryana]

i just don't think Catboi/Kilga are T/T

agree

[Syryana]

ngl any outside attempt to float the narrative that myself vs. catboi can't be TvT when we only have one misyeet to spare makes me

massively

paranoid

VOTE: Kilgamayan

[Syryana]

you've been bussin him all day m8 don't back down now

bus with gusto

[Syryana]

<3

[Syryana]

Pretty sure that's E-1.

Thoughts about anyone else notty?

Catboi? LLD?

Also I'm apparently Syrians now. Thanks Gif.

[Syryana]

I’m really trying hard not to hedge but like, fuck dude

Look at the table we’re at

I know. I've got whiplash from going back and forth on some folks too.

UNVOTE: Ydrasse
VOTE: Syryana

For posterity.

I will not vote for myself for the sake of not playing against my win condition, but I would not hold it against anyone to cast the fourth vote at this point. If my death and flip is enough to show everyone that Syr has overplayed his hand here, that's about all I can ask. If anyone alive on Day 3 intends to vote for catboi using our spat today as justification, please reconsider.

[Syryana]

Just want to take a moment to say I appreciate you all. The game has been weird and there have been some rough patches but I am having fun. I hope you all can do the same regardless of outcome here!

Are...are you running for president? I'd vote for you.

[Syryana]

VOTE: no elim

[Syryana]

Sigh. VT.

[Syryana]

I'm not voting notty today. Everyone else is up in the air.

[Syryana]

Although Dunn's 637 is making my trigger finger itch

[Syryana]

Although Dunn's 637 is making my trigger finger itch

Do you disagree that you have been on the wrong side of things?

Notty already made this point, but you do realize you were the hammer on one and arguably both mislims, right? You hammered Kilga outright, and you put Cakez at E-1 knowing notty had declared intent to lolhammer.

I actually started feeling like dunn might be town from his recent posting though

Do you think notscience is scum?

[Syryana]

There is a difference between deflecting and calling your point objectively bad.

You can't call me scum for being on the wrong side of things all game when all other living players sans LLD were on the death wagons of the prior two in game eliminations. Excluding yourself, that's three people. We can't all be scum. Therefore your original argument for me being scum holds no water because there are too many living players that argument applies to.

You say I guided each elimination. Show evidence of this claim. The only wagon I actually started was the one on notscience, which went spectacularly nowhere. I was also the first to unvote him once he came back and started talking again.

I do believe I missed something you asked me, for which I apologize.

If I assume Catboi/LLD are not performing theater right now, there should be at least 1 in Syryana/Notscience

I'm not sure if I want to make that assumption yet though, from my memory this push only came out near the end of the phase. I guess LLD was voting catboi over kilga

Syr, notsci, what do you make of this?

I don't think it being S/S theater is out of the question. I think it's probably T/S, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was S/S either.

[Syryana]

EBWOP Above @Dunn

[Syryana]

hadthe realization this morning that I want to vote first if I can

it's selfish, but if I am right, I get one confirmed scum and can try to solve for a partner. Right now I feel like there's too much uncertainty for me to try to figure out the team.

Well, I'm pretty sure now it's LLD/Dunn, so if you want more time and info sure but I'm pretty ready to slap a vote now.

I also feel like LLD made some posts kinda similar here to what she made in PYP but they don’t feel like, manipulative here like they did there

Uh, 671 and 655 are pretty recent examples of her trying to manipulate you in particular. 615 if you want more thread control in general type of manipulation (which you can also find several almost identical examples of in her ISO).

At the start of day 1 you are pushing both SirCakez and Kilga, which I believe were both popular pushes at the start of the game. In posts 190 and 247 you switch to pushing SirCakez who ends up being the elimination; you are the third vote our of five so you are the one who pushes this into viability this day phase.

This shows I was on the wagon. It does not show me pushing the wagon on Cakez. It's pretty clear in 190 that my vote swap to Cakez was a compromise vote.

On day 2 you agree with LLD that Catboi/Kilga are not both town in 554 and then move to vote in 558 when Kilga expresses paranoia towards that. You are the second vote on the wagon out of four and manage to convince notscience to join you too. At this point there is less than 24 hours on the clock so I think it is fair to say that this wagon would not have easily shifted to somebody else.

Well, yeah. The only way Kilga's paranoia made any sense whatever is if both LLD and I were scumpartners which is a pairing I don't think anybody has suggested at any point in this game. And do show me the post where I convince notscience to follow me onto Kilga, because strangely enough I can't seem to find it.

And today you seem to have forgotten the above. Do you think that Kilga/Catboi was not T/T, or do you think that LLD was setting up elims. I'm not seeing either stance from you and a lot of keeping your options open. Instead you're coming after me because I said I thought you were mafia instead of going after previously stated beliefs.

Forgotten, no. Reconsidered, yes. I agree with neither stance at this point; catboi/Kilga was T/T and LLD wasn't setting up mislims so much as sitting back watching the town tear itself apart.
Besides which, let's assume for the sake of argument I agreed with the idea that Kilga/Catboi was T/S for the purposes of setting up mislims. Why then would I "forget" about that setup today?

[Syryana]

She's trying awful hard to convince you I'm scum for someone who supposedly isn't sure you're town, notty.

[Syryana]

If you wanna run some shit by me lmk notty. I'm gonna fuck off to my easy chair and read but I'll keep an eye on the phone

[Syryana]

Yes, well this entire discussion was predecated on "If Notty is town, then his town read on Syr loses us the game".

It's almost as if I'm not certain on anyone yet. It's almost like I literally just said "I need to find one townie to make this easier" and the point of the conversation was to deprogram Notty from being fucking pocketed by you incase he is town, which to my CURRENT UNDERSTANDING OF THE GAME he and dunn are.

Am I certain? No. But I have suspicions and my actions are consistent with my suspicions, including my lack of certainty.

Your actions, on the other hand, contradict your own statements and you have shown zero good reason why you have changed your mind.

You appear to have just woken up and decided "nah I'm good actually".

You voted Kilga over Catboi after agreeing with me and then went "actually it's LLD, Catboi and kilga were town definitely".

so why did you say you agreed yesterday? Was it perhaps just to kill the person who was most suspecting you?

The problem is your argument falls over at the base premise because I'm not scum and if you were town you should have figured that out by now. Instead, you've vaguely pointed fingers in my direction since early Day 2, and since today started you jumped all over Dunn's specious case instead of picking it apart. You haven't sorted Dunn in any way shape or form prior to today and now suddenly he's the golden standard and you took his case at face value despite the inconsistencies and bad logic therein. In fact, you have not spoken to or about Dunn in your entire ISO outside of RVS excepting one brief interchange about ydra being town for tone. So why are you suddenly so certain Dunn is town you can't be bothered to fact check anything he's said, hm?

Pedit lmao the emotional manipulation is laid on so thickly now
Pedit2 notty I havent read PYP but like the whole argument here is predicated on "I wouldn't do that, my play here isn't the same as PYP" which is a trivially easy thing to do for someone even passingly acquainted with their own meta. Plus, do you really see a plist like this one letting overt thread control go like that, it wouldn't fly here
Pedit3 Hang on I can't type fast enough from the phone with the pedits let me get back to PC
Pedit4 godfuckingdamnitnotty

[Syryana]

Syr why am I lock town to you today btw? You were voting me and then we both killed town and then today I’m lock town. But like, in my head your posting reads as town with the charisma behind it but I have to actually do my due diligence because I’d very much not like to do the same Shit I just did and be brought as a patsy again

Here's the thing dude. I pushed you d2 because I felt varying degrees of good about everyone else and you'd fallen off the map hard and I wanted to see what you'd do. At first I thought the whole self defeated thing was pretty sus, because I didn't think you'd be that down about one lolhammer. Catboi said something about antispew I remember agreeing with at the time. Once the Kilga fiasco happened I did another reset and essentially decided "if notty is bullshitting me here, good on him". Looking at your ISO as a body of work rather than piece by piece I think you're being genuine in a way you wouldn't be able to fake as scum and I just don't think you would be able to interact with me in the same way you have been. At the risk of sounding cliche, it's too real.

There's also a component of game fatigue in there too. I'm tired of this game, notty. If you're the wolf, well played. If not, you're basically my only chance at pulling any kind of win out of this dumpster fire. Dunn thinks I'm scum for bad reasons. LLD is not going to work with me pretty much regardless of alignment at this point, though in my opinion the sheep's clothing has come off at this point. Catboi is still using a fencepost as a dildo. You're basically all I've got.

Pedit fuck you my fat fingers suck on phone keyboards
Pedit2 lmfao it's nothing BUT emotional manip "trust me I've been right all along" "let me be your stake in the ground" etc

[Syryana]

You know what fuck this

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

[Syryana]

gg scum

[Syryana]

Sorry Cakez. You too, Kilga. Pretty clear the rust has hardened significantly.

I like that rule, but I don't know how it would work in closed setups where roles like bombs and supersaints exist. I don't blame the scumteam here for taking it slow when I'm a fucking wild card and notty has a literal scummy for getting fucked by a frame perfect unvote in Ello

[Syryana]

Not bombs, vengefuls.

[Syryana]

Yeah a rule like that would at least prevent the entire team from outing then.