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VOTE: kokichi

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mine

well hurry up if you're going to pagetop steal

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VOTE: hebi

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oops!

I saw that!

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yeah...but now black has voted and there are competing wagons

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Is that why you're in such a hurry to wagon hebi?

UNVOTE: hebi, VOTE: xyzzy

Why are you in such a hurry to destroy the beauty of competing wagons?

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you aren't a penguin though....

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VOTE: rogue

i blame Aureal.

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This was a real question btw

Is that why you're in such a hurry to wagon hebi?

UNVOTE: hebi, VOTE: xyzzy

Why are you in such a hurry to destroy the beauty of competing wagons?

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VOTE: xyzzy

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mmmmmm

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PenguinPower's vote on rogue is puzzling to me combined with the question in 97/220

Cool stuff, why?

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cakez is here for a little bit

-frogs

still not a penguin

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im fine with our vote on Black

-sc

can you say why?

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VOTE: hebi

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oi - wait

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I should be on xyzzy in the vc above

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I should be on xyzzy in the vc above

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VOTE: xyzzy

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Rogue (1): PenguinPower

@mod: pretty sure I should still be on xyzzy

fixt! ~f

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oh...interesting.

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Sure, I'm in a third party survivor faction with the ability to flavor cop hunt for borg or former borg and neighborize them when I find them.

wait - faction? or you're a third party survivor?

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well I guess that answers that

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mmm...that would be cult like

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I'm curious what multiball is

more than one non-town faction.

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NOOOOOOO

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fuck me for actually trying to be helpful

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fuck me for actually trying to be helpful

says PP, the newbie game list mod

I'm in a game and I wanted the damn page top

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fuck me for actually trying to be helpful

Why the sudden sadness? The borg thing?

LLD nailed it, and I already said it, so I won't say it again.

I'm being hyperbolic but I do love my page tops.

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Other people can correct if I’m wrong but typically multiball means smaller groups? So it would be an easy assumption to make.

typically - Fire and Ice as a 13p game has two scum teams of 2. Not sure how a 3p Survivor faction would factor in to the design given a neutral wincon and I'm not really in a place tonight to think about it.

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btw how do I know which one of you is posting?

hmmm - same question?

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OK

I'm done for the night

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all four posts...got it.

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@mod: v/la through today

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VOTE: wavelength

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cool - perhaps reading why i was not here since day start would be a good start for you

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sure sure

sorry i voted your buddy Mx. Half-my-posts. A typical response if you actually wanted to try and figure out my alignment would have been something to the effect of "Interesting...why wave?"

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oh cool there actually is an equivalent wagon on you...let's go

VOTE: xyzzy

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Kokichi: obviously plays to intentionally be null doing obviously unhelpful things like asking others to do helpful things without doing so himself and thus will probably forever be null waiting for PoE to come for him

does it make kokichi scummy?

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Peng, how much attention are you paying to this game?

Wave, I still have no idea what you're getting at. Are you saying that you think hebi had more information on our possible secret role aspects than we do?

100% attention now. Not so much before today...my typical D1 strategy was foiled by scum claiming scum.

I notice you didn't answer my question though.

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This game has slowed down a bit. Anyone want to explain any reads?

Kokichi: obviously plays to intentionally be null doing obviously unhelpful things like asking others to do helpful things without doing so himself and thus will probably forever be null waiting for PoE to come for him

how is this an answer to my question? playing to intentionally be null doesn't answer whether or not you find it scummy

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Also because you apparently forgot that you were voting xyzzy D1 and decided to do it again as if it was something new.

My D1 votes are almost always for wagons unless I find something to actually latch on to so the fact that I actually have something is new.

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I think it's reasonably clear from the end that null is null and I have little hope that Kokichi is going to do anything to change that.

obviously not to the outside observer! seems like a pretty meh way to maintain a waffly read for as long as suits

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So what exactly is that 'something' you have?

shhhh - i'm not done talking with xyzzy yet.

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Also, this is the second time you've accused me of not answering questions you asked me even though your questions were pretty easily seen as rhetorical/already answered. I noticed you asked Porkens a more substantial question D1 and he doesn't seem to have answered- are you going to follow up and accuse him of not answering your question?

Sorry - would you like for me to hop in my time machine and go back to D1 to follow up on that (disagreement on relative substantiality aside)? You're taking my prodding a little hard - why?

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Town Lean

xyzzy

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i mean - i'm pretty sure i know but i'd like you to say the words

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literally the same number on each wagon.....

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if you want a wagon may i suggest xyzzy?

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shhhh - i'm not done talking with xyzzy yet.

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can you elaborate?

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honestly not sure what question you have for me here! one of the only comments you've actually made about me so far is that I have fewer posts than you. which, sure, that's true. but the vast majority of your posts have been basically contentless.

you also said that I could've asked why you voted for Wavelength. and that's true! I could've asked you that. I didn't, though, because I already felt very strongly that I knew the answer to that question, which I think I made pretty clear in my vote for you. if you think I was wrong about that, you're perfectly welcome to explain why I was wrong.

Sure sure -

338 onwards -- PenguinPower is town. scum does not take eight posts across 5 minutes to wiggle on around to voting on someone (even if it's me)

What changed from this read for you to drop me to scum worth voting?

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after your day 2 vote, I gave your ISO a read and felt you were avoiding committing to any specific takes.

mmhmm...you went from "this is town" to "this is scum" when the only posts I made in between were "i'm v/la" and "vote: wavelength"

So your first read was bs or is your second?

can you tell me more about the day 1 strategy you mention in 828?

I've already answered this in this game.

I'll admit that you have become more engaged in the game since I voted you

I've become more engaged in the game since I came back from v/la!?!?



actually tbf you scumming it up is somewhat responsible for my current level of engagement so i retract half the shocked pickachu face.

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fuck off - I believe everything I said and for you to say otherwise is shitty.

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and yes - I've already said what I do d1 wrt wagons which anyone who has played with me before can support so stuff it

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nice selective quoting though

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sorry, xyzzy - I'm stepping away for a bit. I let some things irl leak in.

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Prod received.

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Peng: I guess I'll be the one to ask then, why DID you vote Wave?

I can answer this now - wave has been playing very mechanically which was very reminiscent of my time with scum!wave in Anything uPick. Wave deferring to LLD (who has been low activity this day phase) whilst focusing on the mechanical seems like a way to absolve of responsibility while appearing to be busy.

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I’m not feeling wave scum at all.

On the other hand, we should wagon Aureal.

Oh...ok, why is wave not scum?

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At the beep, it will have been five full days since PenguinPower posted here.

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Let's see if he's immune to votes as well as prods.

VOTE: PenguinPower

boy - almost if I peaced out after being an asshat to xyzzy

almost

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I'm less feeling wave scum but wave is good at scum

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sorry - are we saying kawaii is town because of the Borg claim alone?

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I don't like Aureal...but I don't think Aureal is scum.

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xyzzy still a good vote

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everything since like 455 was mech based until I just got caught up which is why I said I'm less scum reading you now

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I saw it...I don't agree with it.

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we have emojis now?!?!

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....I knew that....

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Oh no. I should have known that given my knowledge of the update but I did not. My “I knew that” was complete sarcasm.

Gotta love text based communication.

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And yes, in advance, I'm a raging bitch. It's okay.

I'm also right.

Belongs in the “give feedback for funney psots” threade.


But can’t talk about ongoing game, so…

VOTE: rogue I don’t totally see it but I trust you

I know I said I think wave is less scummy now, but I would still like an answer

I’m not feeling wave scum at all.

On the other hand, we should wagon Aureal.

Oh...ok, why is wave not scum?

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oooh - accidental pagetop

fun

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And Wave has pretty much put the last nail in that idea.

mmm...fair...

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You ever going to answer my question?

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And yes, in advance, I'm a raging bitch. It's okay.

I'm also right.

Belongs in the “give feedback for funney psots” threade.


But can’t talk about ongoing game, so…

VOTE: rogue I don’t totally see it but I trust you

I know I said I think wave is less scummy now, but I would still like an answer

I’m not feeling wave scum at all.

On the other hand, we should wagon Aureal.

Oh...ok, why is wave not scum?

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because you threw it out there without reason at a time I didn't think there was a reason to, and I would like to know what at that point in time you townread?

maybe...

seems self-explanatory really

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I don't see a reason why you can't articulate it?

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I see no reason for you to keep being this obstinate if you actually could

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but I won't ask again

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....I can't math

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oh dear god - have I stared at myself in the mirror?

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rude

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i'll be here-ish for the next few hours - absent power being knocked out by a line of thunderstorms - but i would rather rogue than aureal if we aren't yeeting xyzzy.

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is it just me and greyice again?

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meh fine

VOTE: rogue

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Suspenguin

<3

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oh wait - we have emojis now

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Suspenguin

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v/la until tomorrow - easter

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prod received...sorry unexpected work trip this week. i'm back and will catch up today.

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So I'm thinking that we have ONE scumteam, and that scumteam has ONE player who can feasably make kills, making it a NON FACTIONAL kill that passes down to other players upon their death so that the scumteam is never without a killing power.

Following that line of thinking there would only be two scum so that seems like a pretty huge nerf unless they had stronk abilities.

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mechanically, it seems like this setup has a substantial amount of ways that kills can be prevented — if both you and GreyICE are town and this isn't multiball, that would require a pretty substantial power boost to scum, which isn't really reflected in Hebichan's role.

oh hey...

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if i had to make a snap decision based on what i've read so far (on page 23 atm), i'd go xyzzy over aureal quite easily, fits the profile of a busser moreso than aureal

I knew I liked you

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yes...I see multiple [redacted]

You will be assimilated: Should [redacted] be eliminated or killed, you will be able to assimilate and salvage any actions [they] had not yet used. You will be able to use those actions with the same conditions and restrictions starting on the next Night phase.

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oh...you mean that each pm has one person listed....

I'm dumb

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idk - it's not just the kill it's all abilities...I think chaining and restricting like that is a pretty huge nerf

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idr townread porkens but the inability to yeet xyzzy is baffling

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So…that was a scum claim? I’m confused.

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Sorry - work has thrown me a lot of curveballs this month. I'll have time this weekend to get caught up.

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Sure, I'm Julian Bashir. My ability is called once a doctor, always a doctor and grants me a one-shot doc ability.

I used it on you last night.

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i think we should yeeteth the penguin and no one has provided me a good reason not to

i'm town

that's a pretty good reason

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why are we voting for no elim?

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xyzzy probably

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I already said what I did with my night action...

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strongarmed?

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i've thought they were scum since d1 and i'm pretty sure I've already explained that...since then they've claimed 1-shot bp miller which translates into 1-shot bp scum haha you can't vig me

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strongarmed?

strongman w/e

i'm not sure why they would have had to? but sure - why not?

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Share our biological and technological uniqueness: Two times during the the game you can give another player a device. You can give each device once:
-- Ultimate Personal Weapon. If the player has a night kill (including the factional kill, the player can choose the night to use this weapon. The kill will be unstoppable unless their target either commutes, hides, or is redirected.

Ok?

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i mean - maybe because they were down to the last member of the scum team and the target pool was getting smaller so they wanted to minimize the chance of a failed nk?

idk - maybe

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that was my question as well so i'm waiting for kokichi to chime in

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That's the reason?

VOTE: xyzzy

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I assume this is just like a normal day phase except you pick who is being voted on and who gets to vote? Or should I just go back to not caring because I'm dead regardless.

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If I was scum I'd just use this tomorrow

doubt a power like this would be allowed to work in elo assuming it works like I think it does above

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it works like I think it does or it works in elo or both?

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appreciate the super clear response btw

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glad you understand less than I do at least

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best of luck to town tomorrow

maybe you'll finally yeet xyzzy

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I protected peta N3 btw.

Anyway - fun theme and setup. Thanks for designing and modding, fferyllt!

Apologies for my drop off (and this is my opinion as a player) but I was kinda put off by the amount of OGI that seeped in here coupled with a lot of work travel I didn't anticipate.