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[Lady Lambdadelta]

user Lady Lambdadelta what do you think about users ActionDan and Lorne Malvo

AD is town b'ys lol

Lorne gives me nothing burger vibes that make them feel bad but honestly nothingburger is less suspect than other people and Lorne might have a style clash overall.

Feels kind of like a very inexperienced CES tbh.

that's someone who goes on the list btw. the top 100? CES.

And Glork.

=(

now i'm sad

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lorne you said i'm your top townread right b'y

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lorne you said i'm your top townread right b'y

Absolutely

aight can you sell me on where your scumreads are then rn b'y.

like i get if you're not able to give the same reasons as others, just let me know what things you're seeing about what people even if you can't fully explain

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lorne you said i'm your top townread right b'y

Absolutely

aight can you sell me on where your scumreads are then rn b'y.

like i get if you're not able to give the same reasons as others, just let me know what things you're seeing about what people even if you can't fully explain

I don't have any other scumreads, frankly I don't see a point when I already have a confident push (that other people agree with)

right but...

i'm not going to be letting action dan die today. is the long and short of it.

like i'm open to being sold on him, actually, i should say. i'm not gonna be closed minded but

as long as i townread AD, i won't allow him to die.

so please sell me on AD and show me the things you're seeing, but also consider looking at other directions and letting me feel about? even if it's just "these players are town i really think that" that's helpful

[Lady Lambdadelta]

these are good townreads, at minimum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

im not really convinced by the ad case nor the xof tr case

yes but xof town

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i'll kill you >=)

okay no i probably won't

but xof still town

[Lady Lambdadelta]

nah

okay but tell me why b'y

ehehehehe why b'y why b'y that's funny i'm dead

[Lady Lambdadelta]

both ausuka and xofelf are scummy ausuka's thread presence was minimal and xofelf gave a pretty bad readslist

i agree ausuka is scummy but xof looks townie what bad about readslist

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I need to see more posts written by this avatar

it brings me happiness.

what about my avatar

sad chirping sounds echo from the sleeby firebirb if you don't like her

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I need to see more posts written by this avatar

it brings me happiness.

what about my avatar

sad chirping sounds echo from the sleeby firebirb if you don't like her

Whenever I see your avatar I think that I need to choose my words very carefully i mean its very cute plz don't turn me into ash >_<

TSEEEEEERS AGGRESSIVELY

ehehhehe

i get that, i'm a bit of a uh, sharp person, trying to be more relatable! and have people less sscared

but i'm cute brid chirp!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yay!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

There is a certain beauty in fire that ya really can't find anywhere else tbh

god i agree building fires are so good

[Lady Lambdadelta]

do you think xof's list comes from town and why

yes, town

the list was baseline and not saying anything but the order of reads made some sense and the expliantions she gave on her reads when she did give them after were good

[Lady Lambdadelta]

it was ordered?

i thought it was?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

she put me at the top of it and called me her top town read a few times so i assumed it was ordered

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like it didn't say it wasn't ordered and i was on top consistently soooooooo

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i think that just means they put you as town, i don't think that's a good assumption

then maybe we ask? Asking works

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i think it's safer to assume unordered unless stated but if you want to ask you can, i don't see any indication it's ordered tho

Xoffff answer

and idk, i assume ordered by default unless it is said otherwise

[Lady Lambdadelta]

it doesn't really matter to me, ordered or not my points still stand

i mean i don't really agree with your points was my thing and i think her read explinations are good

[Lady Lambdadelta]

oh right my bad gah

their points

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ty sk

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ok debate my points then

okay but i'm high do you really want me to go through their iso and find the posts where they gave good read reasonsings and explain them

[Lady Lambdadelta]

actually yes

i h8 you lol

one sec

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ActionDan:
You were right, your iso was very pleasant to get through. The highlights being the way you format your thoughts and reasonings are very clear and easy to reference what you're talking about specifically. I also like the way you go back and reread people, not just when somebody has a new point or question, but to also confirm what your new thoughts or feelings are. You don't just stick to what you remember, you go back to the source as far as I can tell, and this is pretty admirable.
Posts like these are really

Spoiler:

I'm underwhelmed by Bingle posts and takes

Why am I "very scummy"?

You're approaching the mech from a perspective of "How does scum benefit" instead of "How does town benefit" and I think it's a perspective slip. You're smart enough to know that we can use the threat of investigations to kill off scummy slots via scumkill, and yet have said nothing about that. You're playing obtuse about the actual power behind cop shots. Your "I want to 1v1 Pooky over mayor" bit feels lamist af.

Take your pick.

I don't remember a missed opportunity to opine about scummy slots being thrown into the sherif role for ritual sacrifice. Could you point out where that might have come into play in these mech arguments, and the scummy point where GL neglects to mention this?

In the exchange earlier between Datisi gl and Ausuka, I thought Ausuka comes out the worse for it. 92 reads artificially aggressive. The disbelief in other posts that GL would not think other players would find a cop role strong is attacking something GL never communicated.


Furtive if enchant flips scum do we have your blessing to flip you after post-haste?

oh ok, got it. I disagree that's wise but I believe you believe it so I guess its ok. I assume that doesn't apply to the other choices at least

btw with all this talk surrounding owen's 222, can't they just answer the motivation for asking the question themselves, have they been in this thread yet to perhaps shed daylight on it?

My own opinion on UNOwen rides between Bingle's and Meowth's in that logically there isn't anything in the "fluffy short iso" I can pin down as scummy (I don't think either of 222 or 424 are egregiously scummy) but the fact that those are the only two posts that would qualify as content in 20 pages is.

Ah ok, what thoughts of mine aren't real to you. Which townreads then? I haven't fleshed out all of them in thread, but am available to do so now if you'd like.

Why is it unacceptable for UNOwen to be scumread or more precisely, why shouldn't I scumread him.

Why wouldn't Cakez / Herta be easy scumreads the same way? Herta is low content objectively, most of his posts are filler. Cakez less so.

I find Nono almost pure null. I guess that wasn't clear, whereas Enchant/SK more null scummy.

While yeah, you did scumread Ausuka, I can completely understand and follow your reasons for *why* you did. They're valid conclusions. I also really like the way you ask people specific questions. They always read as genuinely wanting to understand why someone said something they did or for further elaborations. Even ones that are a bit snarky, they don't feel like they're intentionally trying to get a specific emotion from somebody. You're just putting in all the work towards solving imo, so confirming that town read. Not just vibes, this one is more than that, on par with how I feel about LLD this game.

this is a really good AD approach. giving a town read this strong to another person isn't scum sided on general, this is pre-meowth flip and gives some insight into how Xof's progressions are working.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

so you're not concerned that they basically had 1 scum read and didn't do anything to push that read like vote for them

in fairness i know xof holsters their vote, but at the same time they had basically 1 scumread

mmm

replacing in, does xof strike you as the type to be cautious in a return to mafia or aggressive?

cause i feel like the answer is cautious and explains some of that?

but I will read it again with that in mind

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i think being cautious is NAI

you think they're cautious as either alignment in this case?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Just waiting on Bingle at this point

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i'm not going to be letting action dan die today. is the long and short of it.

like i'm open to being sold on him, actually, i should say. i'm not gonna be closed minded but

as long as i townread AD, i won't allow him to die.

LLD can you explain why you townread Dan to this degree?

I know the 'bad associations with meowth' case might not be convincing but I'm not really seeing a lot there to townread this strongly?

gut and memory of a prior game situation wherein similar situations cropped up and he behaved differently as scum nothing i can write a thesis paper about but i'm strong on it, plus i don't explain town reads so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ahhahahahahha

[Lady Lambdadelta]

why are we doing unflipped associatives when we have a flipped scum with whom to look for associatives from lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

my wim is in the toilet lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

sure we'll do it after we lim alisae tommorrow

can't we kill furtive today tho

[Lady Lambdadelta]

you literally told lld not to vig xof last night and claimed I was using svengali mind magic on her

my mindddddddddddd

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm hoping LLD saved that "powerful" ability. I would have.

I won't say what ability I used, and neither should my successor as Council Member, frankly. There's 0 reason to let scum know what to play around.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have accountability, GL. Someone else will take my role and see what ability I used, because they won't be able to use it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The only reason for me to claim my ability usage would be if there is a hard need later on to track what happened, but right now all it does is confirm for scum whether or not the most powerful ability of the role has been used, because it's one scum have to play around.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

unless she has an effective guilty which would only be wise to reveal after SK gives the cop result.

this makes sense to me, I get this

but if there's no effective guilty, then I'm otherwise having a hard time squaring how "my abilities are so powerful, you should fund me" can coexist with "none of the CM abilities are too useful and we don't need to discuss which one she used"

I'll drop it for now I was probably a bit hastily reactive but I 100% think someone else should be Council Member today, maybe it is finally UNOwen's time to shine

Yes that was the expectation, GL. No one here was advocating that I take CM again. I was planning on running for Treasurer.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You weren't in 1st council where I very much gave away what the nature of the powerful ability is. I probably wouldn't have used it or necessarily pushed to be funded just to use it in N2's circumstances. I don't know what transpired 2nd council so I can't give a nuanced answer

I didn't push to be funded, I didn't expect to be funded, I woke up funded fully and had to use it or lose it so I pulled a trigger on an ability. I have no guilty to share, so I won't share what I did.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I literally marveled at how nonsensically powerful the abilities I had were, and got funded without being told that was going to go down. Bingle told NO ONE who he was funding until 4 hours before deadline for day start.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

aite fair enough, sorry for jumping the gun

it's fine? I get the conceptual need for transparency but, look lemme spill the beans a SMALL amount.

One of the abilities in the list is a Doctor, it's a powerful doctor too. Scum have to play around it. Whether I used that doctor or not is something I do not want to share because once it's used it's gone.

So from my POV, better to have someone else we trust be CM, they can validate what I did, and we can keep it hidden from scum so there's town night play we can still do.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ActionDan is town.

You copped Dan?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think with SK's result... that'll be me

100%.

You take CM, I'll take Treasurer?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I guess first order of business is do we go with the Cop chain plan or elim SK. I'm going to read Gimli's iso once again and hope Icher produces something deterministic one way or the other

I personally think SK is town and I want to make him cop a second time, and then flip him tomorrow.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I think he's town, but any cop should expect to die if they live to give 2 results.

Like if SK lives for 2 resutls, even 2 greens, trading one town death for that is fine. and if he's scum, works too.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Aside from the fun panicky mechanics planning we as a whole ought to really have a nice deep think.

I would say I need to reads reset but I did that yesterday after I killed Cakez and I said Xof town and people went "shrug" and decided to do it anywya.

I still think Furtive scum, fyi.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Furtiveglance
Alisae
Bingle
SleepyKrew
ActionDan
Save the Dragons
GuiltyLion
Lady Lambdadelta
Ircher
Unowen
sheepsaysmeep

this is who is alive, I know I'm town, and I'm confident you are town Dan, and I'm willing to act as if SK is town for the moment.

Furtiveglance
Alisae
Bingle
Save the Dragons
GuiltyLion
Ircher
Unowen
sheepsaysmeep

I can say at this point I have seen the thing that makes me confident in UNOwen town, and he can go on the town pile list. I think Furtive is scum pretty passionately, so that stays up.


Alisae
Bingle
Save the Dragons
GuiltyLion
Ircher
sheepsaysmeep
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[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why did it post early wtf

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I was working through it and it posted early screammmming

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Alisae
Bingle
SaveTheDragons
GuiltyLion
Ircher
sheepsaysmeep
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Furtive

At this point, I'm at the "less confident" stage so I'll tell you where my brain is at.

I have STD town GL town based on behaviour and exchanges I've had. GL has some scum equity having pushed Dan yesterday past me saying "Dan town", but looked really town with my interaction with them today. STD looked town from the way he pushed Xof as compared to other Xof wagoners.
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Alisae
Bingle
Ircher
sheepsaysmeep
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Furtive

So I'm looking at 2 scum in these 4. Ali's entrance push on me into back off looked kind of weird but I know how Ali works as scum and I sort of thing she wouldn't have backed off as scum. She'd have wanted my cred in the game in the toilet and been wanting to make the game less bearable for people to exist in. I think Ali is town from that, but it's weaker than STD and GL.


Bingle
Ircher
sheepsaysmeep
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Furtive

Ircher's slot looks scummy, and ircher's entry probably needs rope. Gimli didn't look town, neither did Herta...


Bingle
sheepsaysmeep
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Furtive
Ircher

So I'm down to between Bingle and Sheep? Honestly, I want to just say "kill these 4 and we win" but like, if I'm going to isolate which one is scummier, I think it's Bingle. Bingle's opposition to me on the mechanics feels like a cover to actual hunting.

So I'm on a Furtive/Ircher/Bingle team rn, with Sheep as my unknown 4th, and Ali being the outside 5th. I think all the scum are in that 5 but it's worth saying that STD/GL could have 1, but it's max 1 scum in that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

preface: I don't have any experience playing with furtive

after some thinking I'd be pretty surprised if furtive is scum. the way he's been playing (antagonizing LLD, incessantly calling me scum, trying to get credit for suspecting meowth) just feels wild for scum to do

Furtive literally spent 2-3 weeks in Mafia Bootcamp with me on "how to play scum" with me when he hydra recruited me into a game. Call me conceited but that usually makes people better and enjoy refuge in absurdity. I literally showed him how to use our hydra dissonance as a weapon.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Declare: Treasurer

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Gotta go to bed soon I'll read through some stuff now and post more in the mornign

[Lady Lambdadelta]

im worried about lld tbh

Okay, tell me more. This will be a great way for me to see if my town read on you is justified after you ignored me trying to save Xof yesterday.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because I've been expecting scum to try and slowly shade and paranoia me, and especially you who always has this paranoia of me so it's easy for you to just go "oh I'm always worried about you if you live long" so

I'm going to shine the flashlight in your face, and see what shakes out when I call you on this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i wanna hear what posts you were going to make first

Oh no no no.

You have thoughts based on my current status. I laid everything I have on the table read wise earlier today, put up my solve. I've said PLENTY.

You're the one who needs to answer here.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Gotta go to bed soon I'll read through some stuff now and post more in the mornign

no you said you were going to post more

so what is it

I'm rolling my eyes at you so hard right now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have thoughts on Bingle's posting, obviously STD.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

so post them

You first. You're actively shading me without giving ANYTHING.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I owe you nothing, STD. I couldn't give a fucking hoot if you worry about me or not, I just want to figure out your alignment.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

aight bet, fuck you too then lmfao

if you don't wanna play ball i won't play ball either

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like you don't get to be conceited and superior when someone calls you out for being vague and shady

[Lady Lambdadelta]

im not i'm just curious what you were going to say

it obviously wasn't about me so i don't know what the big deal is

right but I have a genuinely good reason to want to know what the fuck your "i'm worried about LLD" post was trying to do before I give you more ammo to try and fake something with.

My posting has 0 to do with you, it's a Bingle read.

So why should I post my shit first when my shit lets you pretend to actually have shit to say if you're scum when if you say shit it changes nothing about what i say, especially since i told you what it's about now so it's not as if i can change lmfao

[Lady Lambdadelta]

and yes you're being conceited and superior you don't get to decide how you're making me feel lmfao

like i work hard to keep my anger in check and you're literally just fucking with me and refusing to engage over literal nothing because you like being obtuse.

i have legitimate reasons to want you to go first. you're doing this to be a jerk.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like you could be scum who doesn't have great reasons for scumreading me and i don't want to give you extra ammo if you are, but regardless of alignment right now i'm of the belief that you're choosing to behave like this regardless of alignment just to be a jerk.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because you won't even engage with me on the concept of why my desire for you to go first makes logical sense when you have 0 reason to make me go first.

i'm going to fucking make those posts, obviously STD. it's not gonna NOT HAPPEN so why does me going first matter to you if not to be obtuse

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i am not doing this to be a jerk i'm sorry you feel that way

then explain

explain logically why me going first makes any sense when my posts aren't related to yours but yours are influenced by mine

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like it's not sufficient to just say it

the fact you're not engaging with me on it and stonewalling me, to me means you're doing it for the sake of doing it

which maybe you don't think is being a jerk but it is

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i even fucking good will told you what the posts were going to be about. it's not as if i have a fucking pre-written thing i'm holding back. i came back from scream 6 last night, read the thread, declared treasurer and wanted to write about bingle, but i was too tired so i saved it for the next day.

i have general thoughts about the bingle GL exchange and how it makes them look

i just gave you like so much more info and you're not even willing to fucking play ball with me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

because i'm trying to sort you and i think those posts will help

i am also trying to fucking sort you, and i think you will use the posts i make to hide your alignment if you are scum.

so you posting first is better for town because you get to be read on the merits of the original post you made where you shaded me, but now you're sorting me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lld, i could be wrong, but it doesn't make me a jerk that just makes me wrong

no because you won't engage with me remotely on why me going first makes any sense.

you want to sort me

i want to sort you

if we both had equal reasons i'd just GO FIRST my dude.

but my posts aren't affected by what you say and your posts ARE because you said what you aid WITHOUT my posts.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like i have enough respect for you as a player and a clever one at that to know you understand this argument.

that's why i'm feeling lke you're being a jerk

because it's not as if you don't get it or just disagree outright. you won't even tell me why you disagree you just stonewall me

and no if you're scum this is exactly what you do, but you do it like this as town too. the scummiest thing you could do is just disappear while i get mad. people would crucify you for that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

so don't like, pretend that scum you would just let me froth at the mouth because that is a one way ticket for me to just tunnel you because i hate you and scum you probably dies to that because i have a lot of town cred i'm willing to burn even if it loses me the game because fuck that shit lmfao

you know this. you know this about me, you know i behave this way, so there's 0 % chance scum you does that

[Lady Lambdadelta]

give me a minute

aight bet

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I guess in the mean time I'll literally just write those bingle posts so i can post them once I see your stuff

[Lady Lambdadelta]

here is my problem #1

Furtiveglance

Alisae

Bingle

SleepyKrew

ActionDan

GuiltyLion

Lady Lambdadelta

Ircher

Unowen

sheepsaysmeep

if you're not scum, where the hell are they?

my problem #2 is the pooky kill

i just don't understand it. i think it comes from someone who thought they were widely tr. i don't know that pooky was actually widely tr. i find it possible you still thought that, or that you may have thought Alisae and I would have had trouble killing Pooky. Hell, it could be for another reason i'm just unaware of. But furtive never makes that kill, Alisae never makes that kill, but some combo of {you ircher sheep bingle} might make that kill for instance.

my problem #3 is also the pooky kill

if scum's in the D2 PT, they know you said you had very good powers. it's a call to be funded, who isn't tempted by that? Bingle did fund you and i think any scum worth their salt could have guessed that. So either the D2 PT was pure and no scum knew that, or it's just you. Plus with the D2 funding being released hours before deadline, scum could have changed their mind and killed you, so either that PT was pure or it's you.

my problem #4 is just gut things. Xof could have been TMI, you're constantly trying to exercise thread control but you were also hanging back a little bit when xof was getting killed. you handwave taking credit for meowth when a lot of people had their fingers in that pie.

okay lemme get to this in a sec but i just finished the bingle post so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lld is town or I’ll eat Titus’s hat.

This worries me a ton. I'm already known to be somewhat susceptible to turning on people who express suspicion on me that I dislike the logic behind, so following my putting Bingle in my scumteam solve, this response feels really like an attempt to buddy. I don't see how or why ANYONE should be this confident on me. I'm town, I am giving town vibes, I'm working on how to show myself as town when I am town, a skill I didn't used to have. But even with that, there is a lack of paranoia for a player who knows how good I am.

With the new knowledge that there’s multiple ways to doc, I think I want AD cop, btw.

This is the actual worst mechanical play and coming from Bingle makes me REALLY worried. We should 100% be forcing scum to shoot SK and solve him for us OR have SK give a second result and then resolve him ourselves.

If you could build a scum team out of the living players who would it be?

I do actually want you to answer this, Ali.

Furtive+Unowen+1 more

sorry not Furtive Ircher

This is a sort of normal conversation that I'm snipping to show something weird below, but I wanted to comment that Bingle focuses in on Furtive when Ali makes that mistake, even when Ali corrects. Also, ali looks better for this mistaken word speak and these reads. UNOwen is unquestionably town to me but I know I'm going to have to defend that.

If you could build a scum team out of the living players who would it be?

I do actually want you to answer this, Ali.

Furtive+Unowen+1 more

Interesting, but not what I meant. If you could pick any scumbuddies, who would they be?

Wait if you're not asking me for what I think the team is in the game are you asking me if I could draft a woflteam in this playerlist who would it be?
I'm like
confused

Yeah. Looking at who is alive, who do you think would be a fun scum team?

You, GL, and LLD snow this game easily.
No competition.

This is such a weird question, and I need Bingle to explain why the fuck this is relevant and why he's asking. It feels like he's trying to search for ways into people's brains and generate paranoia, despite the fact he HAS no paranoia of me. It's just a weird weird WEIRD thing to ask and feels like scum trying to engender themselves to town.

I don't think Ali/Bingle are S/S after this.

I don't know who Alisae/Dats partners would be to be as disengaged from the thread as they both were. Like, both of them have been super absent, and both of them riff off of scum partners to keep themselves active and engaged. I feel like the continued not giving a fuck implies that they would have to have been let down severely.

Here's the follow up to the above and Bingle trying to buddy Ali, I think. This is the payoff to what I thought was weird when I initially read it.

I think we either give AD the cop and have a high probability of failed scumkill if they shoot for him or give a scummy player cop with the understanding that not investigating Skrew will raise many eyebrows. I prefer the first, because it's a lot harder to play around, but both have their merits.

This... is so clearly understanding WHY SK should be cop, but using that logic to confuse and twist what is actually good. Forcing us to use our money tonight when you know our situation is weird. We should be trying to hide our itnentions, not brodcast them to scum.

yet he also has unshakable confidence in LLD?

I can say, for certain, that LLD sent forward money for me to use.

The way the treasurer role worked is that I got the role information on how it worked as one chunk, the amount of money from taxes in one chunk, and the amount of inherited money in one chunk. I don't think LLD would have known that the money she sent forward would be given to me as a separate value, but I was explicitly told how much she invested in the town coffers. Whoever is treasurer today should be able to corroborate that when they get an explicit inheritance of $0.

I'll also say that just looking at a VC for the meowth wagon seems a bit iffy to me in trying to figure out who should get towncred given that the whole thing was delayed by waiting on treasurer submission. IIRC, there were quite a few people vocally supporting the wagon early but off wagon for mechanical reasons and it's probably worth it to add those names in at the beginning of the wagon as well.

These are all decent reasons to townread me but they also say NOTHING. They say nothing about anything that happened on day 2, they say nothing about FURTIVE the person I am CURRENTLY TRYING TO KILL.

to me, this is Bingle+Furtive as a team. The more I read, the more I become convinced.

I'll also say that just looking at a VC for the meowth wagon seems a bit iffy to me in trying to figure out who should get towncred given that the whole thing was delayed by waiting on treasurer submission. IIRC, there were quite a few people vocally supporting the wagon early but off wagon for mechanical reasons and it's probably worth it to add those names in at the beginning of the wagon as well.

this is a fair point

re: LLD, I also appreciate the clarity there and that makes sense to me. somewhat unfortunately for you I believe you'd feel compelled to give this read as scum so I don't think it makes you any townier, but I am willing to sheep you on town!LLD and put her in treasurer again and generally support whatever judgment/decisions she makes for mechanics.

GL saying the thing I am thinking makes me feel WAY better about GL. GL can go up with AD in my town pool. This level of mindmeld is pretty convincing.

Bingle what do you think of limming Ircher today, or generally my thoughts outside of the meowth wagon point?

also I think I have figured out how to articulate the additional things I didn't like about 3268 but it's late and I've done my Mafia Effort for the day, if anyone's particularly interested I can flesh out those Ircher badvibes tomorrow. and it's not wildly changing my reads or anything but I like that UNOwen had an immediate negative reaction, don't feel inclined at all to doubt the existing TR there

That wasn’t intended to flavor your reads but to inform your process. I’m more interested in seeing how you get from a to b than that b is a townread on me. If you do end up with a scumread on me at the end of the process (I think this is one of my more obviously town games) I can try to fix that, but seeing your ideas given the correct context is going to make your analysis more useful and help me understand your thinking more.

Petit: if I were to vote right now it would be for ircher, but I don’t particularly want to share why yet. I don’t think it’s a conclusion you would reach the same way, though.

This response to the above GL post gives me huge twitches. Not only is Bingle selling onto Ircher after that convo with Ali where Ali SAID she scumread Ircher and Bingle had ZERO to say about it.

But also he's like "my reasons will be weird and not match yours" and that's fucky. I can't tell if this is a semi bus with a way to try and get Ircher to safety, or if Ircher is just town and this is really Bingle trying to kill him.

either way, Bingle does not look good for this interaction. I can't find a good town motivation here.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

here is my problem #1

Furtiveglance

Alisae

Bingle

SleepyKrew

ActionDan

GuiltyLion

Lady Lambdadelta

Ircher

Unowen

sheepsaysmeep

if you're not scum, where the hell are they?

my problem #2 is the pooky kill

i just don't understand it. i think it comes from someone who thought they were widely tr. i don't know that pooky was actually widely tr. i find it possible you still thought that, or that you may have thought Alisae and I would have had trouble killing Pooky. Hell, it could be for another reason i'm just unaware of. But furtive never makes that kill, Alisae never makes that kill, but some combo of {you ircher sheep bingle} might make that kill for instance.

my problem #3 is also the pooky kill

if scum's in the D2 PT, they know you said you had very good powers. it's a call to be funded, who isn't tempted by that? Bingle did fund you and i think any scum worth their salt could have guessed that. So either the D2 PT was pure and no scum knew that, or it's just you. Plus with the D2 funding being released hours before deadline, scum could have changed their mind and killed you, so either that PT was pure or it's you.

my problem #4 is just gut things. Xof could have been TMI, you're constantly trying to exercise thread control but you were also hanging back a little bit when xof was getting killed. you handwave taking credit for meowth when a lot of people had their fingers in that pie.

okay lemme get to this in a sec but i just finished the bingle post so

Part 1: Where is scum?

Bingle. Furtive. Ircher. Sheep. Ali. Those 5 have at least 2 scum in it, if not all 3.

Part 2: Pooky Kill

Pooky was hard townreading me and part of the reason I was in so much control with the town. I never kill Pooky last night. Instead, I was the funded Council Member right?

All I have to do is use Tracker, let scum kill the cop and go "shit guys I saved the tracker and they took a risk" and avoid a cop.

You just watched me play PYP. You have access to the dead thread there. Go read it and see how much I expected to be copped. If I'm scum, I ALWAYS expect to be copped. Pooky is never a death I allow if I'm scum yesterday. He was so far in my pocket if I'm scum I convinced him to shoot Cakez for me and he still thought I was town. That isn't something you get rid of and risk a cop for.

3: The fact I didn't die over Pooky or a SK shot is admittedly strange to me, but I'm not really in a position to argue why it happened? I genuinely don't know why I'm alive, but I severely doubt that it's because the PT is pure. It was announced just before deadline. If they kill me, do they really stop much? Maybe they think I get this paranoia, like I always do. Maybe I'm wrong on Furtive and this is designed to make me kill a townie?

I can't speak to this, I can't argue against it, all I know is I'm town.

4: I gave you literal reasons for Xof town, no one else did that. I literally was scumreading the Xof slot prior to Xof replace in. there's 0 reason for em to flip my read on that when it's a free kill. I stood up against it, but PYP had worn me down, I was resetting from Cakez and I had ALREADY TRIED TO CHANGE YOUR MIND. And you said "nope don't buy it".

It's not TMI when I scumread the slot and then try to save the slot. And then FAIL to save the slot. It would have been better for me if I'm scum to keep Xof who 1000000% townread me alive. And I had the capital to do that yesterday. I could have compromised on Dan if I wanted. That was somehting that could have happened yesterday, instead I said "never kill Dan, never kill Xof".

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like you got to watch town me be 1000% right in Gnosia and just not have the spoons to stop what was a game losing play. I had enough capital to fight for it then and just couldn't muster it.

I burn out on Mafia, STD. If people don't listen to me I can't devote 10 hours a day to stopping it anymore.

I acknowledge that Pooky dying over me is weird. That is, as a point, something I don't have an answer for. I'm sorry, I wish I did. It would possibly assuage your concerns. All I know is I am town and there are a multitude of other reasons for that, and there are lots of people who are scum. Our reads even sort of align. You have Sheep/Bingle/Ali in a tier just above Ircher. the only read we disagree on is Furtive, who is 1000000% scum for me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And for what it's worth I've become somewhat reaffirmed that you're town, btw.

Your reads list matching up with mine while you simultaneously go "where are the scum!?" feels like town being worried about being snowed by me, and not just throwing paranoia.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like you got to watch town me be 1000% right in Gnosia and just not have the spoons to stop what was a game losing play. I had enough capital to fight for it then and just couldn't muster it.

I burn out on Mafia, STD. If people don't listen to me I can't devote 10 hours a day to stopping it anymore.

I acknowledge that Pooky dying over me is weird. That is, as a point, something I don't have an answer for. I'm sorry, I wish I did. It would possibly assuage your concerns. All I know is I am town and there are a multitude of other reasons for that, and there are lots of people who are scum. Our reads even sort of align. You have Sheep/Bingle/Ali in a tier just above Ircher. the only read we disagree on is Furtive, who is 1000000% scum for me.

Fuck you got to watch this IN REAL LIFE, Fen.

the final game of Quest we played that time, when Hebi was getting tilted. It would have helped me to just push back harder against her and make it all noise.

Instead of conceded room and asked for space to talk and was going to lose from that PoV.

As town, sometimes I step back and let people cook. I just don't have it in me anymore to be the obnoxious only voice in town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD and Bingle with regard to Mechanics.

Naturally, I think SK dying by scum's hand is the best result we can get, but I don't think scum will necessarily oblige. And as bingle said if SK is scum, which is completely possible, if he is given the chance to perform two investigations they will be worthless once town is forced to elim him. And there's always the possibility of a fake result too.

I do think chaining is probably the better way to go about it. There are two chains. 1) New Cop X --> Targets SK ---> AD ; 2) SK ---> New Cop AD targets ----> New Cop Target X

I want to think of it from this perspective. there are 11 players left and 3 scum and therefore we have worst case two miselims before elim or lose. While this remains the case I think we are better off spending the JOAT Docs we have these two nights and get two more guaranteed results. Especially if we can use the Doc to save someone we want to save (I am also biased to live more than SK). I am therefore in favor of the 2nd Cop chain and I think Bingle is correct. I also think scum's choice in kill even if town has no way to produce cop/doc WIFOM is not a pleasant one. Sure they can kill in say {LLD, STD, GL} but they can't really do anything about the cop chain or else have to start killing SK which isn't a winning strategy. They could try to predict who I'd cop but that's hella risky because that's the equivlent of 2 miselims if they miss and even if they hit well they are doing the cop's job (again this is also why I prefer #2 chain because I think a kill on me isn't one scum would feel bad making at this point). And leaving the SK --> AD ---> X line intact might be a little paranoia inducing but that has to be an exact team of all scum worst case and analyzing that question shouldn't be hard.

LLD I'll read your posts about mech again to see if there's your trajectory would yield better dividends but I currently am favoring Bingle's approach.

So you're saying fuck tentativeness, let's just go all in and get 2 cop results and have that be the end of town power?

Cause we have money issues so we can probably do this but we'll be locked out of the game power wise after that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Declare: Sheriff

I obviously support AD as sheriff. Making this declaration in case LLD convinces people that me being the cop is optimal.

i'm sort of on the fence myself now, after AD's post. i'm seeing the logic a bit more, but i'm not sure it's optimal. this is a good play to give us the options, i think.

we'll just need to public consensus for Sherrif so there's 0 funny business.

additionally, i'm in a not okay brainspace today because of a trending story on twitter involving yet another unneeded trans death at the hands of cruel people that hits so fucking home for me in a way that could have been me if i wasn't as careful as i was so i'm...

gonna need some space today and tomorrow

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD/Bingle maybe split mayor/treasurer?

this seems reasonable. Bingle if you get online should declare for Mayor I think.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i'm here, sorry

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Furtive

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I really want to kill Furtive today and I don't understand why epople view that player as so town lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My WIM is very low this game. I do not feel compelled to put in a lot of effort if it is ultimately going to be in vain.

even if you are eliminated, you can leave behind thoughtful and well-explained reads for us to consider (once we know your alignment for sure and assuming you are town). that is never in vain

this mentality needs to go away in mafia games, there's no point to it other than to excuse you from playing and that's hard to see as anything but scummy

Have you ever considered that telling someone who is just slated to die and can't seem to come out from under that, that if they're really town they should leave their last words in peace, is really shitty?

"this mentality needs to go away in mafia games" no, what needs to go away is people's lack of understanding that if town is killing you and you don't feel like you've been given a fair shake or will be listened to after you die (cause no one's gonna listen to Ircher's reads after they die if thye're town don't fucking pretend that) you're being super elitist.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Honestly, seeing you say that frustrates me.

It almost frustrates me enough to make me forget about how that post you wrote sort of TMI's Ircher as town, GL.

But not quite.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Not sure if that's just how you talk to people or something, or if the condescention is pissing me off but, like.

It reads like scum who know Ircher is dying and town and are telling him to write reads because it gives them ammo to point to later and makes them look more town nominaly for doing it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not scum

maybe I'm not relating to how frustrating it is to be eliminated or maybe I'm overvaluing people's dying reads but personally I find it really frustrating someone basically says they don't want to play because they're getting voted. it registers to me like taking their ball and going home, and it's instinguishable from scum trying a last ditch AtE to save themselves. I don't know how else to offer someone an olive branch into the game other than pushing them to try and care

if I were scum there's no need for me to do any of this, I just vote Ircher and ride it out. I'm trying to get him to towntell

yeah i guess

maybe i'm just annoyed, lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

it's not about right/wrong answers, it's about explaining what happened...

VOTE: Ircher

shouldn't have doubted

Let's suppose I took the time to explain. Would it change your read? Would it change other people's reads? No, it would not. Thus, there is no point. There isn't an explanation that would change anyone's reads on me.

i'm currently voting furtive

wanna explain it to me?

(i'm really burnt out right now so bare with me but i'm trying to connect with mafia games positively rn so)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like i feel relatively confident if i put my foot down enough and yelled enough i could probably get a specific elimination i wanted

everyone would rightfully hate me after and the game would be less fun but it's doable

so if you need to convince someone you're defintiely 100% town it's probably me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

in the number of posts and words you've spent explaining why you won't explain, you could have just explained

i

please

give it some space unless you're looking to read the words of a choking man

liek either your itnent is to make them not want to do this so they don't do it and they die

or you're town and you think this will do something positive but right now Ircher is already dying they're not getting out from it currently, not unless they improve and if they do improve you will have your day in court to scream about why it's wrong so given there's no added benefit of this pressure and nothing new you can gain positionally, have you considered trying something else

[Lady Lambdadelta]

when did i become the reasonable one this is ridiculous

[Lady Lambdadelta]

honestly I think Ircher's play and his actions speak for himself

maybe

[Lady Lambdadelta]

is everyone besides GL also out of town

i'm just demotivated in general and trying to stay in the game and focused

[Lady Lambdadelta]

funded

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I funded Andante 110 and Alisae 100, taking 60 dollars from the bank as a loan to do so for a total of 210 dollars, having started at 150.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I was fully funded
I targeted Andante
what the FUCK

confirm you were funded 100 dollars, a full funding.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean simplest explination is you chose to do nothing with the 100 dollars I gave you, but that would be LITERAL scumclaiming.

sigh.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Are you saying that the council was informed the doc would come from Ali instead of from Uno?

No, we kept it ambiguous who was getting funded

yeah but i mean...

we were talking about doing doc+cop only. I tried to WIFOM it and everyone went "no just do this"

There was only one doc remaining, GL.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So UNOwen didn't have a doc ability? I thought it was heavily implied that he did

GL...

I was Council Member on Night 2 and I was funded...

what ability do you think i used....

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like i tried to be coy about it but how obviously is it that i did the thing

[Lady Lambdadelta]

UNOwen can confirm this when he shows up. He'll have seen a list of abilities he could use and there won't have been a doctor on that list.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok, but we didn't know whether you used the doc or not? I didn't think it was obvious

i felt it was very obvious but like

maybe that's just priviledged info bias? like, i know something so i think it's obvious to infer but others don't know so it's harder for them? I tried to be coy, either way

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like i tried to be coy about it but how obviously is it that i did the thing

I was hoping you'd used an ambiguous investigation, personally.

I should have. I took a WIFOM guess.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Given that we know there isn't a protective left on the CM, what was the ability?

It was called "Peacekeep". It stopped any killing abilities used on the target and also stopped any killing abilities they used.

So essentially I got to see if SK was going to shoot instead of cop in addition to protecting our cop and it just felt correct.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD I’m very surprised to learn that you had used your protective ability. You mentioned that you had a very strong/cool ability and [idr if you explicitly said or just implied this next part but it doesn’t matter] that you had used it. Didn’t expect the cool ability to be a protective+

yeah it was a protective to keep your cop result alive AND stop you from killing if you were scum and doing a shot instead of our cop result.

i figured it was the right way to use it?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

mostly yeah, especially with Alisae's immediate OMGUS reaction to me

I think a player of Alisae's caliber should understand that most town people are going to think e is scum here,

especially

if e is town. Like if I were town in that situation, I'd actually be more skeptical of anyone giving me too much benefit of the doubt

All it implies to me is that scum had more info than they should've, which would suggest one of me/Alisae/LLD is scum.

I'm not convinced that Datisi would have backed meowth so hard on day 1 if they were scum together.

That might be true given alisae, but I don't think it's outside the realm of reason that scum could have known what I chose to do.

And I don't like the suggestion that it was the only way they could have known, given the abilities they could have, or that they couldn't have just guessed based on me being there N2 and claiming to have been funded. It's way more likely as a result the Mayor's doc was left than the other wya.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Okay 3 things:

1) I didn't ask to be funded! I said that I concurred with ActionDan from day 1 that the ability on Council Member was bonkers strong. This myth that I ASKED TO BE FUNDED is a lie.

go ask anyone who has access to the round 2 council QT. Go see if I asked to be funded, I didn't.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

True^, the vig shot was especially egregious. Also, why on earth was the way scummier Cop protected? rip Enchant.

enchant was way scummier wtf are you talking about lmfao

[Lady Lambdadelta]

All it implies to me is that scum had more info than they should've, which would suggest one of me/Alisae/LLD is scum.

I'm not convinced that Datisi would have backed meowth so hard on day 1 if they were scum together.

if you are thinking LLD is scummier than Alisae you're gonna have to sell me on that one

I remember in HotD where the peasants were against LLD being elected as king for fear she could play anti-town and get away with it.

In this game:
N1: Killed a townie, funded a vig - knowing that our use of night actions is dependent on how many town are alive.
N2: Asked to be 100% funded apparently to waste a protection on SleepyKrew. The point was to make scummy people Sheriff so scum were forced to decide to kill them and help solve or leave them to gather info. Why protect Sleepy? If scum killed him that would be good. It only makes sense if LLD is sure Sleepy is town, which is not the impression I've got.
N3: Funding situation leads to dead doc.

So I think this needs to be considered.

Also, "play anti-town and get away with it"?

Dude, I killed scum Day 1, and then have tried to kill who I think is scum for TWO STRAIGHT DAYS.

I have told everyone who would listen Xof is town xof is town Xof is town. And no one wanted to listen to me.

And then while I had ircher on my suspect list, I prefered other targets but no, again, no one listens to me.

This isn't some grand masterminded scheme. I'm so clearly not in control. Or if I was, the people who I wanted to kill would be DEAD lmfao.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Okay 3 things:

1) I didn't ask to be funded! I said that I concurred with ActionDan from day 1 that the ability on Council Member was bonkers strong. This myth that I ASKED TO BE FUNDED is a lie.

go ask anyone who has access to the round 2 council QT. Go see if I asked to be funded, I didn't.

Oh I forgot things 2 and 3.

2 was the one I just posted.

3 is that I literally have done everything that has been asked of me as treasurer, each and every time. There has been zero hidden info, I've done the town's fucking will.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Bingle isn't answering and LLD is here so I'm gonna cut to the chase

LLD, does the Treasurer role specifically refer to the "oh shit" button as an "oh shit" button?

what? no.

It's a loan you can take of up to 200 dollars, but the next day you have to pay it back at 50% interest. If you can't pay it back that day, you pay it back as much as you can and then pay back the rest the next day.

But if you default and can't pay back right away, you not only lose the day after, but you are penalized a whole day of actions.

So if I was scum as treasurer, as the first treasurer.

I could have taken 200 in loan from the bank, sent it all to someone and put both middle fingers in the air. That would have been optimal for me as scum.

Like, if I'm scum and I see that role PM. I go, no bussing, 0 bussing, I am sacrificing myself and town gets 0 PRs for the rest of the game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

so for example yesterday I had 150 dollars, and was told we want to fund Cop+Doc.

That costs 210 (110+100) so I took a 60 dollar loan.

Today, town must pay back 90 dollars in cash. We'll do that easily with the townies we have. Then we can take a loan today or tomorrow and fund our abilities to max with a 200 dollar loan, BUT we won't be able to ever use abilities again after that basically.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lld treasurer is fine. We put both joats as strong townreads and seriously consider hitting the oh shit fund errybody button.

He uses it here, prior to the N3 Council thread. I'm pretttty sure I got this nomenclature from here.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I literally just clarified with LLD that the role PM does not use the phrase "oh shit" button

You will need to explain this argument to me more.

I don't get it either.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ah damn, ok, so the inspiration was backwards, you got it from Bingle. I must have missed it in Bingle's ISO when I cmd+F'd "shit"

darn I was hoping that was a good one

yeah I was hyper confused because it's not even called a button in the role PM or anything, the terminology came from Bingle I was p. sure lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

All it implies to me is that scum had more info than they should've, which would suggest one of me/Alisae/LLD is scum.

I'm not convinced that Datisi would have backed meowth so hard on day 1 if they were scum together.

if you are thinking LLD is scummier than Alisae you're gonna have to sell me on that one

I remember in HotD where the peasants were against LLD being elected as king for fear she could play anti-town and get away with it.

In this game:
N1: Killed a townie, funded a vig - knowing that our use of night actions is dependent on how many town are alive.
N2: Asked to be 100% funded apparently to waste a protection on SleepyKrew. The point was to make scummy people Sheriff so scum were forced to decide to kill them and help solve or leave them to gather info. Why protect Sleepy? If scum killed him that would be good. It only makes sense if LLD is sure Sleepy is town, which is not the impression I've got.
N3: Funding situation leads to dead doc.

So I think this needs to be considered.

Also, "play anti-town and get away with it"?

Dude, I killed scum Day 1, and then have tried to kill who I think is scum for TWO STRAIGHT DAYS.

I have told everyone who would listen Xof is town xof is town Xof is town. And no one wanted to listen to me.

And then while I had ircher on my suspect list, I prefered other targets but no, again, no one listens to me.

This isn't some grand masterminded scheme. I'm so clearly not in control. Or if I was, the people who I wanted to kill would be DEAD lmfao.

If I was dead, you'd look worse.

Honestly I'd welcome it tbh.

I've been trying to kill you for days, if you're really town at this point everything is fucked 6 ways from sunday.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Xofelf

[ 7 ] STD, furtiveglance, unowen, Pooky,

Alisae

, Guiltylion, Bingle

Ircher

[ 4 ]

Alisae

, Guiltylion, Furtiveglance, Sleepykrew, UNOwen, Bingle

@UNowen, this alone is a pretty compelling reason to prefer scum!Alisae explanation over scum!LLD explanation as well IMO

Also why am I supposed to be convinced that Alisae is scum based on vote counts which show them voting the same as me?

it's weird that THAT was your first take. That you defensively went "I have the same votes too!" and not "oh, yeah, Alisae killed two townies and LLD hasn't supported either wagon, while Alisae entered the game on day 1 and tried to derail the Meowth wagon while LLD led that one to completion.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i wish pooky was alive right now because i need someone i can like talk to who gets what i mean when i say shit and i don't have to explain 3 layers of Yomi to just to be on the same page >.>

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, "play anti-town and get away with it"?

Dude, I killed scum Day 1, and then have tried to kill who I think is scum for TWO STRAIGHT DAYS.

I have told everyone who would listen Xof is town xof is town Xof is town. And no one wanted to listen to me.

And then while I had ircher on my suspect list, I prefered other targets but no, again, no one listens to me.

This isn't some grand masterminded scheme. I'm so clearly not in control. Or if I was, the people who I wanted to kill would be DEAD lmfao.

In terms of "anti-town" play I'm referring to purely the night actions. If furtive is scum then your play in thread has not been anti-town at all.

But I 100% believe that you as scum would be willing to bus a partner on Day 1 to set yourself up well. And the night actions are not good. I don't get why you'd protect SleepyKrew - if he was scum he's still only got 1/3 chance of making the night kill and probably less considering scum knew that he would be a focus on that night. You had other abilities that could have achieved a guilty in the same way, why not use one of those (again the plan was for scum to kill a town Sheriff)?

Bingle gave you the funding so he will have to explain why he thought you were hinting for it.

Did you not listen? I didn't just protect SleepyKrew. I had a chance to stop a kill, it stopped SK from shooting someone if he was scum too. We also had a doctor in our back pocket still, and we were running out of money. I thought it was the best time to use it.

Additionally, I will go find every post in the Council 2 Thread I have made and paraphrase them here. One second.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

One Ego Post,

One post confirming I had all 3 of my abilities, and that they all cost 100, and they were all "verrryyyy sweet".

One post reconfirming that they all cost 100.

Two posts confirming that the prices stated in the N1 council thread are the same as those stated in the N2 council thread.

2 post confirming what I funded n1 action wise

2 posts discussing Furtive's alignment

1 post making a joke about the mind control nonsense people were spouting wiht Pooky

that's it. That's EVERYTHING. Not once did I ever request funding. The closest I came to it was echoing ActionDan's sentiment that the abilities on Council Member were indeed strong.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I literally have 0 posts indicating I should be funded, 0 posts telling our treasurer what to do and was blind funded.

And I just remembered something that influenced my decision.

Bingle said he would tell everyone what he funded before the night ended. With 4 hours left, he told everyone he funded the cop and me, and I was like, well, shit, what if this influences scum's actions?

So I used the protect/block action because it felt right. Critique my nightplay all you want but I did what felt best.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Did you not listen? I didn't just protect SleepyKrew. I had a chance to stop a kill, it stopped SK from shooting someone if he was scum too. We also had a doctor in our back pocket still, and we were running out of money. I thought it was the best time to use it.

Additionally, I will go find every post in the Council 2 Thread I have made and paraphrase them here. One second.

I listened - and as I said, SleepyKrew only had a 1/3 chance of being the scum to make the kill and was already known to be a focus so probably less likely than even that. I strongly disagree that using a Doc at that point was the play.

i disagree that it's 1/3 i feel it's probably higher than that given his position as a funded cop.

look, disagree with my choices all you want but my motivations are clearly not scum here. i haven't been in control of ANYTHING since I vigged Cakez n1.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

and if you're wondering, UNOwen, why I'm so fervently arguing this point it is because I have you as town.

And it's important to me that you can see me as town as well. I'm frustrated that I'm being interrogated for things I didn't really do, but I get your hesitance?

I'm just asking you to see what was done and how things were done and and understand.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Did you not listen? I didn't just protect SleepyKrew. I had a chance to stop a kill, it stopped SK from shooting someone if he was scum too. We also had a doctor in our back pocket still, and we were running out of money. I thought it was the best time to use it.

Additionally, I will go find every post in the Council 2 Thread I have made and paraphrase them here. One second.

I listened - and as I said, SleepyKrew only had a 1/3 chance of being the scum to make the kill and was already known to be a focus so probably less likely than even that. I strongly disagree that using a Doc at that point was the play.

i disagree that it's 1/3 i feel it's probably higher than that given his position as a funded cop.

look, disagree with my choices all you want but my motivations are clearly not scum here. i haven't been in control of ANYTHING since I vigged Cakez n1.

That vig was suspect in itself

Cakez was scummy to me from that fight we had on page 10, I felt confident with how scummy Meowth was, I was feeling myself.

It's not a scummy vig, Cakez was scummy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like when else are you going to use a vig btw?

I didn't want it in the hands of scum who get funded later and get to use it and fuck with us. It was better used then to give more info after day 1.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I had no reason to move my vote but ok GL you're a wolf so...

let's go back to Things That Matter

in this post, Alisae is telling me that I am a wolf. Why does e need to do that? If I'm a wolf I already know I'm a wolf. This is a statement that is meant to impress upon everybody else that I am a wolf, it is manipulative rhetoric and an unnatural way for town to be talking to somebody they earnestly scumread.

lmao is this a bit

no the whole town has gone loco lmfao

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hm OK the extent that LLD tried to get funding on N2 does matter and if it wasn't as much as presented then that does weaken my suspicion.

I'm still not convinced that it's as simple as something like Alisae/furtive/??? scum. That would mean that Day 1 at least 3 scum were pushing me with bad arguments at the same time. Which strikes me as weird?

Does it? They wanted to save Meowth badly, no?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I had no reason to move my vote but ok GL you're a wolf so...

let's go back to Things That Matter

in this post, Alisae is telling me that I am a wolf. Why does e need to do that? If I'm a wolf I already know I'm a wolf. This is a statement that is meant to impress upon everybody else that I am a wolf, it is manipulative rhetoric and an unnatural way for town to be talking to somebody they earnestly scumread.

lmao is this a bit

no the whole town has gone loco lmfao

Are you townreading GL? Or just referring to everyone alive currently as the town

the later, i'm still processing the GL Alisae convo

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I scumread and pushed meowth

you never voted him, your vote was on UNOwen as counterwagon especially when UNOwen was larger

we already covered this on D2

yuuuuuuuuuuuuuup

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Jesus GL you are giving me bad vibes
I understand your argument, I get what you are saying but you are bludgeoning the thread with it in a way that suggesta there can be no other accepted outcome and doesn't feel town =/

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Jesus GL you are giving me bad vibes
I understand your argument, I get what you are saying but you are bludgeoning the thread with it in a way that suggesta there can be no other accepted outcome and doesn't feel town =/

I'm bludgeoning the thread with it because I'm frustrated I'm getting met with so much pushback AGAIN

after D2 of me not liking the wagon but compromising on it anyway

after D3 of me not liking the wagon but compromising on it anyway

whoever is also town here is either scumreading me or not listening to me (except for UNOwen mainly) and I don't know what to do other than keep yelling about it so at the very least if I die y'all will do what I want tomorrow

Okay but do you think I don't also feel that fucking way?

You are describing my life.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Jesus GL you are giving me bad vibes
I understand your argument, I get what you are saying but you are bludgeoning the thread with it in a way that suggesta there can be no other accepted outcome and doesn't feel town =/

I'm bludgeoning the thread with it because I'm frustrated I'm getting met with so much pushback AGAIN

after D2 of me not liking the wagon but compromising on it anyway

after D3 of me not liking the wagon but compromising on it anyway

whoever is also town here is either scumreading me or not listening to me (except for UNOwen mainly) and I don't know what to do other than keep yelling about it so at the very least if I die y'all will do what I want tomorrow

Okay but do you think I don't also feel that fucking way?

You are describing my life.

You know you're scumcasing yourself here by saying your entire trajectory for the past 2 days was to try to kill me

I'm rolling my eyes at you

I'm allowed to think you are scum lmfao

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'll do treasurer I guess? I'll just pay back our funds, unless people want me to go all in or something

[Lady Lambdadelta]

furtive is scum though lmfao

[Lady Lambdadelta]

but i guess someone besides me should be treasurer to confirm that the loan payback is 60

[Lady Lambdadelta]

furtive is scum though lmfao

Can you unpack this a bit? I can't remember why you started saying it in the first place

The original reason was how you handled Meowth wagon day 1. You voted UNOwen instead, who felt like an easy mis elimination and then claimed you had credit for that wagon as if to protect yourself when in truth you didn't do anything to kill Meowth and in the end you tried to protect Meowth by being on another wagon.

So I just feel like you're partnered to Meowth, I feel like the way you've been handling me being suspicious of you is suspicious. You constantly deflect and defame me whenever I suspect you. You spent a whole day attacking me emotionally and denying you did it to the point it killed a ton of my WIM, like.

For me, I started suspecting you based on Meowth and have continued to suspect you because there is this invisible wall of force where no one really townreads you but no one will fucking kill you with me either which says to me the scum who are in control of this game are keeping you alive.

That's my thought progression.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I'm not only scumreading you, I'm trying to parse the game as I go and find reads elsewhere the problem for me is that you've been my top scum read each and every day and no one wants to kill you, but no one will come out and say strongly "nope furtive is definitely town" which only fuels my suspicion more.

it feels like I don't know why you're alive.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The reason no one else wants to kill me is because I'm towny

I recently quoted my interactions with meowth which showed a consistent scumread and a vote on them, so you need to drop the claim that I didn't.

I tell you you're wrong when you suspect me because I think there's a decent chance you're town and I usually want to defend myself.

I get why you're doing it if you're town but you do understand you ended the day on UNOwen right?

You get why I view things the way I do.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The reason no one else wants to kill me is because I'm towny

I recently quoted my interactions with meowth which showed a consistent scumread and a vote on them, so you need to drop the claim that I didn't.

I tell you you're wrong when you suspect me because I think there's a decent chance you're town and I usually want to defend myself.

I get why you're doing it if you're town but you do understand you ended the day on UNOwen right?

You get why I view things the way I do.

I ended the day on meowth.

Huh. So you did.

I guess I had Mandela effected myself based on how you had approached Meowth, and how Meowth was literally already dead before you voted him and people were just waiting on me to act.

It doesn't change too much for me because you came on at the very end after he was already dead, once I'd already planted my flag there but, it does change a little.

Gahhh I don't wanna have to re-evaluateeeee that's workkkkkk i just wanna be righttttttttttt

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Declare: Trash

so we don't lose that role

[Lady Lambdadelta]

towncasing myself a little more: I could've just claimed no result instead of clearing Andante if I was scum. I wasn't fully funded.
this will be the last of me towncasing myself

Wouldn't no result have forced us to kill you? Like, mechabically speaking.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is why I have only full funded fyi.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

CrabRave.mp3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

House is over
Homelessness new meta

he was banned a while back

[Lady Lambdadelta]

tbh I ran for treasurer explicitly so killing furtive wouldn't be off the table today if Alisae does towntell or we decide to let em be cop (which I'm against, but history shows I do not have a ton of sway this game). If we wind up electing furtive treasure that will say a lot itself especially if I wind up limmed instead, so just vote who genuinely think is more likely to be town, I'm not gonna give a speech

we can kill treasurer.

at this point electing a scum treasurer is kind of bad but our money is near drained anyway so. We're not losing much.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Plus treasurer has to submit before a vote anyway so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I was fully funded
I targeted Andante
what the FUCK

confirm you were funded 100 dollars, a full funding.

namely I was thinking about this post earlier and maybe I'm way off here but... I kinda don't understand why LLD would need to ask this, when I think about it. Alisae already said e was fully funded. If LLD is town and Alisae is scum, the main benefit is to prevent scum!Alisae from changing e's story later, but I dunno I am kinda feeling a vibe that it's a S/S interaction. I don't think I can properly articulate exactly why at the moment cause sleepy brain, but I'll be around tomorrow and I'll try to unpack a lot more

You're high right?

I funded the cop and the doctor to full amounts, and the cop died despite this, with said doctor claiming to have done the protection on Andante.

What, as a townie, is your first reaction? Mine is always "do things by the book". If someone and I are involved in a situation where they have information where they could choose to lie or tell the truth (1v1 me or go a different angle) I will always force them to immediately claim it for the sake of not allowing that to be an option for them to try.

Also, this argument is SEVERELY flawed. If Ali and I were S/S we wouldn't need to have this interaction. Infact, you had issues with Ali's reaction being stilted. I'm good enough at scum that I'm not gonna put on a bad acting job with my scum buddy and link myself. I'll just tell her to casually drop that she was funded 100 and stay out of the thread for a day and then react to things.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Of note, this is the SECOND time today in which you have been pushed into a corner and come out trying to switch some shit up that makes no sense.

A fake slip on Bingle and calling me scum for an interaction that scum NEVER NEED TO HAVE.

All while in the same breath going "maybe I'm paranoid" "maybe I'm wrong". Well, you are wrong, and your point makes no fucking sense. But it feels like a scumpush when you go from "nah LLD's town" to "maybe this "weird" interaction LLD had was scum/scum?" when it's a fucking normal by the books interaction.

It feels to me like you're flailing and looking for suspects, for ANYTHING you can do to survive.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Of note, this is the SECOND time today in which you have been pushed into a corner and come out trying to switch some shit up that makes no sense.

A fake slip on Bingle and calling me scum for an interaction that scum NEVER NEED TO HAVE.

All while in the same breath going "maybe I'm paranoid" "maybe I'm wrong". Well, you are wrong, and your point makes no fucking sense. But it feels like a scumpush when you go from "nah LLD's town" to "maybe this "weird" interaction LLD had was scum/scum?" when it's a fucking normal by the books interaction.

It feels to me like you're flailing and looking for suspects, for ANYTHING you can do to survive.

Why would scum Lion not just push furtive as the more consistent target?

Are they possibly scum together? This could be a way to distance from each other so we think only one of them can be scum.

Or a million other things.

Or he could be wrong town. I'm the one to take poorly to be misread when I'm town. It happens, I seethe and then I re-evaluate.

I'm expressing what it feels like, for the sake of being transparent with my thoughts and reactions.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Of note, this is the SECOND time today in which you have been pushed into a corner and come out trying to switch some shit up that makes no sense.

A fake slip on Bingle and calling me scum for an interaction that scum NEVER NEED TO HAVE.

All while in the same breath going "maybe I'm paranoid" "maybe I'm wrong". Well, you are wrong, and your point makes no fucking sense. But it feels like a scumpush when you go from "nah LLD's town" to "maybe this "weird" interaction LLD had was scum/scum?" when it's a fucking normal by the books interaction.

It feels to me like you're flailing and looking for suspects, for ANYTHING you can do to survive.

this is also a weird reaction

- implying it was a maliciously "fake" slip on Bingle when I clearly just didn't see the first time he said "oh shit button". if he hadn't said that, it would have certainly been a slip, because at the time I thought you were the only person who had used that term and you had only used it in a thread Bingle didn't have access to. and why would scum me make any of that up?

- also, how was I "pushed in a corner" when I called out the Bingle slip to begin with?

- further, do you really think scum!me is like, "how do I survive here? Oh, I know, I'll step on town!LLD's toes! surely that will work out well for me" like what??

Do you know how I disproved the slip, GL?

I literally searched the words "oh shit" in Bingle's ISO. It took me 30 seconds to do. Why didn't you do that before trying to pin Bingle down for that? That's what's got me fucked up about you.

You're pushed into a corner because there's a good swath of the town who think your interaction with Ali was scummy from your end.

Honestly, GL, I respect you as a player, so it's with respect I say this. You would 100% step on my toes to make me get into a shouting match with you if you were scum because it gives you an opportunity to change the status quo and possibly convince someone you're town by the way you act.

...It's also something town you could do if you really are lost and confused.

My issue is that the way you are going about it, poking at things that don't make sense is inflamatory to my ego. You're suggesting that I did something as scum that I would be above doing, it's a lack of respect and to try and scumread me for it makes me feel like you

decided I was scum to begin with, then went looking for things to say

as opposed to the other way around.

But it's possible I'm wrong. Like I said, I have a bias when people scumread me. But this argument you're making in this post here, GL? It's the same kind of argument I'm making TO YOU about your logic. It's "why would I do that?" logic.

I have a good reason to why I think you would go toe to toe with me as scum. It's based on respect for you as a player and your skill.

The reason you have given for me indicates a lack of that respect. You have to understand that if I were scum here I would not have played the way you are describing, and there's not even a WIFOM about it.

I respect that you're grasping at straws in a way, it's even possible for you to be grasping at straws in a town manner. But at some point as a townie you have to stop scrambling to try and find worlds that work based on assumptions that might be abd and just look at the gamestate and read it for what it is.

So right now I'm going right after you to figure out which one it is. Is it town GL who is paranoid about me and scrambling about it with bad points because he feels behind the 8 ball or is it scum GL trying to escape a jam using me?

That's what I need to know.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I wouldn't call me anti-town before we have any flips

I think STD was scum based on his contributions.

SleepyKrew's recent defences are slightly making me question my scumread there

GuiltyLion could be town or scum

Alisae's posts today haven't been amazing

LLD's tunnel on me is confusing because it's +scum at face value but I've townread faer apart from that

UNOwen is probably town for D1 because I think the thread would have felt different if both serious D1 elim candidates were scum

Bingle's push on GL feels a bit muted/backseat and a lot of his contributions have been mech based

Sheep has done pretty much nothing since arrival but feels towny in places. I voted them Cop but don't feel too confident on it.

Why is my tunnel on you +scum beyond the fact that from your PoV you're town?

Like this is my issue with you. I've explained why I scumread you, I think you understand why my brain won't let it go that people just won't kill you.

I'm trapped in a tunnel because I flipped scum day 1 and then got summarily ignored for 2 straight days as we killed townies so it's hard for me to re-evaluate.

But fine, you want me to break the tunnel? Well, first of all I kind of already am. It's hard to say I'm in a tunnel when I'm actively trying to sort players in this game. But if you're speaking only on my consistent suspicion of you, you asked me why I suspect you, you got that answer.

Respond to that with a town case on yourself and why you're town, and I'll read and respond to that. If you're town and this is a genuine desire to be townread by another player you townread, I need you to put in the work to change my mind.

I'm not so inflexible I can't be convinced, but I also confess my worldview has calcified a little so it won't be easy either.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't really believe furtive is scum at all, as frustrated as I am with him I think he's town.

What's convinced you?

the main thing is I don't think Alisae/furtive read S/S. Alisae was hard defending furtive in the council thread before today and if e was planning on risking himself by failing to doc the cop, I feel like that's meant to set up furtive as a fall guy if Alisae flips moreso than go hard at bat for his buddy.

the other thing is I don't believe furtive is giving any real inclination of knowing that I am town or that Alisae is scum, like his play is almost so outwardly anti-town in that world that I don't think he'd be as confident behaving the way he is if he was mafia, instead I am getting a sense that he

truly

thinks I am suspicious and is letting that drive his reads and his behavior. I don't think he knows that I'm town.

I still want to reread D1/D2 with this in mind and look at how furtive/Datisi interacted but if furtive is scum it feels like he and Alisae are going all-in a minute too early and I don't really see the strategy or logic there

if I had mod confirmed info that LLD is town I'd be back to suspicious of furtive again for all the VCA stuff namely the way in which he seems unlimmable, but yesterday I kept thinking it seems weirder that LLD has this strong furtive scumread and is still just detached from the thread and not pushing it whereas furtive is here all the time constantly advocating for his views and sparring with me

it's weird i'm detached?

i was loud day 2 against what happened

i was less loud day 3 but still present in the same way until the very end of the day

today i'm even more subdued.

This is what happens when people sort of ignore me and do their own thing and flip town. I end up calcified in my reads and trying to sway people but there's only so often I can say the same 200 words over and over again until I want to die.

I know this is kind of self meta but that's a town tell for me. The fact I'm NOT IN CONTROL OF THE GAME is a massive towntell for me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, this is why I'm worried about your alignment GL.

Because you were in HotD. You saw how I got demotivated. I was right a LOT at first, got demotivated because I wasn't given any agency to affect the gameflow, checked out and mostly coasted on calcified reads as people killed some townies.

woke up with a green check on me and suddenly had renewed vigor.

That's... just how I am, as town. I'm emotional, I have motivation issues, I get stuck when people don't listen to me so I can't alter my reads because my predictions have been right.

Like, a game just ended, a Micro where I was town and town lost and I spent the whole game being unable to convince anyone of anything. And people still suspected me. Go read how my demotivation in that game matches here and HotD.

I don't know if you're scum or not, GL, but on the off chance you're town I think you SHOULD be able to find me town here, because this is probably the most blatantly obviously town I've ever been in a game. I get I inspire paranoia but at SOME point there has to be an end to people just abusing the paranoia on me and seeing the truth.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I voted you to win Treasurer

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Whether I kill you or not is only based upon whether I get a sudden increase in scum pings from you.

If you are treasurer while I do that and you turn out to be scum... So be it. But my read on Furtive is very calcified ao I voted the one I felt more likely to be town at the moment.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

As for passive reactive vs active... Yeah. Fair cop, I am in that mode. It's what happens when I feel like my reads stagnate and I don't have a reason to question them. I wait for people to act and read that without my influence clouding it.

You have to let people cook to see their intentions.

If you want me to swap back to active mode I can but 1) it costs me a ton kf spoons when I'm demotivated like I currently am and 2) it's going to involve me being kind of forceful with people and I got yelled at until I cried for that on an earlier day.

So... I can do it but I'm hesitant because I don't want to cry over mafia anymore

[Lady Lambdadelta]

hmmmm ok

I think your posts on this page make sense

do you think Alisae/furtive reads like S-S? I mostly have a hang up around why would Alisae defend furtive so hard in the council D3 thread overnight if Alisae knows e's going to be soft-guiltied right afterwards

and why then would furtive work so hard to discredit me if he knows Alisae flips maf and I flip green

it just feels desperate and I feel like if that's what's going on then the third buddy must have very little standing like sheep or STD or Sleepy and scum is just trying to play in the short term and delay the POE by a day

I think Ali/Furtive reads S/S or S/T, never T/T personally. I think the mutual defensing here is an okay distancing thing and works if people suspect you, which they do. So Ali/Furtive can be scum together, or it can be just Furtive. I don't think it can be just Ali, though. I don't think in Ali scum worlds furtive is town, not with his suspect list.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wasn't STD setting up the exact "whoops maybe I was wrong" take that I thought he might if scum before replacing out? Town furtive still seems entirely possible with town LLD.

It's hard for me to get motivated to try and team solve here having been wrong twice in a row and without it being a necessity just yet. Probably Alisae is scum because of the GuiltyLion push, that's enough for me.

... i forgot STD existed in this game, yeah that slot is probably just scum godddd

[Lady Lambdadelta]

eyyyyyyyyyy kdowns!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

this argument is legitmately making my eyes glaze over

[Lady Lambdadelta]

this argument is legitmately making my eyes glaze over

can you vote furtive for treasurer instead of GL?
If GL is a wolf what's going to happen is he is going to take out a loan and send all of the money to the board of election

why are you worried about him doing that? he has to do it before the end of day. if he doesn't do what he promises, he dies. There's no world where we allow the votes to go onto anyone before GL submits funding, so there's no quick hammer nonsense.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Are you saying there is no wolf motivation in pushing me today?

no, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying if you really, truly, earnestly believe you are doing your "duty" to find wolves, you've failed at it here and I'm trying to appeal to you in a fucking honest way that if you're town then this game is currently lost and I guess I was hoping I could somehow get you to maybe see or consider that

the way you immediately just continued to snark at me was unpleasant and I'm not going to get baited by it further, I'll cop to the fact that my posts at the start of this exchange were reactive and unproductive but the last few I'm trying really hard to just be regulated and offer a final olive branch

okay, so talking to Ali is pointless.

talk to me instead. it's me you're gonna be convincing today, maybe a few others but i'm really not sure.

what's your argument for Ali scum that doesn't involve the "she didn't use her doctor" thing because i mean, fuck all scum needed was a 1 shot strongman kill as a power and boom we're here.

so power stuff aside i wanna hear about it

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't even care about being treasurer, elect furtive, I don't think there's momentum to flip him today and I'm still not even sure whether he's scum

p-edit: Alisae, can you maybe tell me what in your posts today I'm supposed to townread? Like put yourselves in my shoes, assume for a second I am town - what in your reactions to my post or the things you've said today should have indicated to me that you are town?

>=(

[Lady Lambdadelta]

even winding back to the whole "performative" thing which Alisae brought up again just now and definitely escalated everything at daystart

if you're town and you post 3883 and 3884, "WHAT THE FUCK" in all caps, how can you be surprised if someone thinks you're playing it up and faking your emotions? and that's not to say Alisae definitively was or wasn't faking their emotions, like town can be performative, town can be manipulative, town can yell in all caps, I'm definitely a bit performative and manipulative as town, but it's the way e then

denies

it, like 3989, "tries to sell the picture that I'm just some crazy maniac screaming their heads off to other players.", I did not make Alisae enter the thread and post "WHAT THE FUCK" or "I'M ANGRY" (3896)! like e did that, not me!

maybe this is personality and not alignment indicative but if I got fake guilted or my slot looked compromised as a result of night actions, I would

understand

that people are going to suspect me. even knowing I was framed, I think I personally would be a lot more aware that I'm under a microscope and some people are going to think I'm insincere. I'm not trying to tone police or say there's a correct reaction, I'm really not, my issue is more that I feel it's entirely reasonable to see a guilty looking person say "WHAT THE FUCK" and think it feels fake, but Alisae thinks my response is wolf-indicative. like would it be townier for me to just be like, "gosh Alisae, you seem so surprised! you must be innocent!" like is that the thought process there?

also, this whole thing reminded me of furtive's bullshit with "stop capsing" on D1.

furtive, why haven't you had any issues with Alisae's caps posting today?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Something feels very off here...who voted for GL?

already told you I did

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Excellent, I always knew you were the best trashman this town had ever had

LLD - who did you vote for?

GL, Sleepykrew, Alisae.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GL because I think Furtive is more likely scum than GL
SK because I wanted to rotate the council position
Alisae because Sheep has been quiet the whole time and they have major scum equity for me, and forcing Alisae to either be shot or come up with a cop result at which point we could kill Alisae to check e AND the cop result e provided made a lot of sense. I'm not on the kill Ali/GL train today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

this was my ballot

Sherriff - Sheepsaysmeep
Mayor - Bingle
Council Member - Unowen
Trash Collector - LLD
Board of Election - STD

I have a heavy work day today but I'll be around tonight (like after 7 pm PST) to play

Bingle/LLD, are there any concerns about sharing all the budgetary info in the main thread?

At this point... No. I think you can be open.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How is it a tie??? nOO

Someone has destroyed democracy by not voting, just as I warned would happen!

I'm confused on why it's a tie too. Did Kdowns just not vote?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What were your votes Owen

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GL because I think Furtive is more likely scum than GL
SK because I wanted to rotate the council position
Alisae because Sheep has been quiet the whole time and they have major scum equity for me, and forcing Alisae to either be shot or come up with a cop result at which point we could kill Alisae to check e AND the cop result e provided made a lot of sense. I'm not on the kill Ali/GL train today.

You must be really confident we’re limming scum today if that’s your mindset re: Alisae
So which scum are we limming?

Furtive.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

In that post you just call him more likely scum than GL! That’s not the level of confidence I’m looking for!!

lmfao

you need me to turn my WIM on and shout how certain i am?

I'm pretty fuckin' certain but I've been certain for weeks now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD ignoring the Alisae night action thing entirely is giving me MAJOR bad vibes

I'm not ignoring it at all. I'm literally not.

You're not going to be able to shake me off of you by calling me scum every time I suspect you, it's fucking ridiculous.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

...

fuckkkkk

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ali you make me so fucking nervous

i just got major buddying vibes from you

[Lady Lambdadelta]

what is your message exactly Ali

[Lady Lambdadelta]

what is your message exactly Ali

Furtive needs to reconsider his reads
He voted for all wolves in the election phase and he thinks std is wolfy and that you tunneling him is wolf indicative

Well what am I meant to think?

LLD is really town for pushing me for 3 days straight and wanting to kill me despite last night's unsolved night action debacle?

unsolved in what way? what does flipping Ali tell us?

Ali's dying before ELO. Is that what everyone needs to hear? Ali is dying before ELO and the day before ELO I will assuming I'm still fucking alive lead the fucking charge to murder that slot because no slot who is fully funded as a doctor and the doctor fails gets to live there.

But we had so many better ways to use Ali here, in a cop place, if she's town her reads will help, and centering the whole day on "is it real is it not real" will fucking KILL US if she's town.

Does no one understand the like, motivation drain this game has? Everyone's goign through the motions.

So no, I'm not ignoring it, and YES Ali is 100% slated to die. But I thikn there are decent odds GL/ALi is T/T and that doing this today is a mistake and I'd like to look elsewhere.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is the day before ELO.

is it?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Jesus we only have 9 people alive.

so we have to kill Ali on principle?

fuckkkk dude if Ali is town we're so fucked

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Can people stop repeating the lie that LLD killed meowth? My scumread on meowth predated pretty much anyone's.

oh jesus fucking christ

fuck this

there were wagons ALL OVER THE PLACE and like 3-4 people had me as town and said "you have my sword!" and I went "we're doing meowth!" and then people followed.

I made the Meowth wagon happen and every time you fucking try to say shit like this it's feeling like it's coming from scum who just don't want me to have any agency.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's more the trying to take single-handed credit - it wasn't a vig shot, 9 people voted on it.

i drove the fucking thing while you sat on UNOwen.

I'm done talking to you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Every time you post my read on you changes

I don't remember this much memeing from your towngames

That's true, but I generally don't meme this much as scum either.

I did try to engage Alisae in a non-meme way but got blanked so I'm just going to assume my scum read is right.

Yo, talk to me about Furtive. Where is your furtive read and if it's town right now, why?

I'm running on pure anger and frustration at this point and people need someone to have any level of WIM so here I fucking am.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ali you make me so fucking nervous

i just got major buddying vibes from you

Furtive is town

Fucking why. Why is this song and dance Furtive is doing town and not scum?

You're apparently town from your PoV right? Furtive's refusing to listen to you and going to force a kill on you today, despite having a scumread on GL apparently.

Why are you townreading this slot? from your PoV it makes zero sense.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you want to get a furtive lim, that’s what you’re going to have to do. (I’m not talking about convincing me specifically, but the town as a whole. A furtive lim does not seem easy to achieve at the moment)

Okay, you motivated me. I'm going to need help, but I'm gonna kick this game back to active and kill the apathy in it at the same time.

What is your furtive read?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's more the trying to take single-handed credit - it wasn't a vig shot, 9 people voted on it.

i drove the fucking thing while you sat on UNOwen.

I'm done talking to you.

That's a lie, I was on UNOwen for a bit then moved to meowth.

Besides, UNOwen is unflipped.

You moved to Meowth after Meowth was already guaranteed dead. They were dead while they waited for me to do my fucking treasury results and you were vote 8 on the wagon. I went back and CHECKED so why are you pedalling this narrative like you had a hand in it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ali you make me so fucking nervous

i just got major buddying vibes from you

Furtive is town

Fucking why. Why is this song and dance Furtive is doing town and not scum?

You're apparently town from your PoV right? Furtive's refusing to listen to you and going to force a kill on you today, despite having a scumread on GL apparently.

Why are you townreading this slot? from your PoV it makes zero sense.

Hold up, it's time for an UNO reverse.

You just said we need to kill Alisae the day before ELO (today).

???

You pissed me off.

Mechanically it's 100% correct to kill Ali here but we're also so fuckign far behind that if Ali is town here we lose this game. I don't think we can beat 3 scum at 7 people alive.

So right now I'm just going all in on my top read. You're welcome to call me scum if you like, I don't care.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ali you make me so fucking nervous

i just got major buddying vibes from you

Furtive is town

Fucking why. Why is this song and dance Furtive is doing town and not scum?

You're apparently town from your PoV right? Furtive's refusing to listen to you and going to force a kill on you today, despite having a scumread on GL apparently.

Why are you townreading this slot? from your PoV it makes zero sense.

Furtive as town has really out there reads that attract a lot of attention to him. I don't think he has teammates or anyone who is playing with him/he is playing with.

I think he most likely just wants to be right this game.

He also just put out a lot of takes that I think are just wild to me so I can only assume that these are takes that are coming from a villager instead of a wolf playing to cross the finish line

Furtive entered today deadset on GL/SK. And is now leaning voting you.

If you're town how is that NOT PLAYING TO CROSS THE FINISH LINE?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's more the trying to take single-handed credit - it wasn't a vig shot, 9 people voted on it.

i drove the fucking thing while you sat on UNOwen.

I'm done talking to you.

That's a lie, I was on UNOwen for a bit then moved to meowth.

Besides, UNOwen is unflipped.

You moved to Meowth after Meowth was already guaranteed dead. They were dead while they waited for me to do my fucking treasury results and you were vote 8 on the wagon. I went back and CHECKED so why are you pedalling this narrative like you had a hand in it.

My main argument is that I was one of the pioneering meowth scumreaders.

I only mentioned my vote because you said I was on UNOwen all day, which I wasn't.

So your main argument is you did nothing but threw some words on Meowth and then voted him after he was dead.

Pioneering? Pioneering my ass.

I'm so sick of you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ali you make me so fucking nervous

i just got major buddying vibes from you

Furtive is town

Fucking why. Why is this song and dance Furtive is doing town and not scum?

You're apparently town from your PoV right? Furtive's refusing to listen to you and going to force a kill on you today, despite having a scumread on GL apparently.

Why are you townreading this slot? from your PoV it makes zero sense.

Hold up, it's time for an UNO reverse.

You just said we need to kill Alisae the day before ELO (today).

???

You pissed me off.

Mechanically it's 100% correct to kill Ali here but we're also so fuckign far behind that if Ali is town here we lose this game. I don't think we can beat 3 scum at 7 people alive.

So right now I'm just going all in on my top read. You're welcome to call me scum if you like, I don't care.

Ok, and I know your top read is nonsense.

All this calling me a bad player but if you're town and voting because you're 'pissed off'... just lol

It's not nonsense, you're fucking scum and you're being cheeky.

The personal element of it for me is that I feel like you're just fucking with me and thumbing my nose in how no one will kill you so I'm goign to fucking kill you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ali you make me so fucking nervous

i just got major buddying vibes from you

Furtive is town

Fucking why. Why is this song and dance Furtive is doing town and not scum?

You're apparently town from your PoV right? Furtive's refusing to listen to you and going to force a kill on you today, despite having a scumread on GL apparently.

Why are you townreading this slot? from your PoV it makes zero sense.

Furtive as town has really out there reads that attract a lot of attention to him. I don't think he has teammates or anyone who is playing with him/he is playing with.

I think he most likely just wants to be right this game.

He also just put out a lot of takes that I think are just wild to me so I can only assume that these are takes that are coming from a villager instead of a wolf playing to cross the finish line

Furtive entered today deadset on GL/SK. And is now leaning voting you.

If you're town how is that NOT PLAYING TO CROSS THE FINISH LINE?

I mean if me and GL are both town it is.
I have the read that GL/Sheep/Unowen are wolves

UNOwen is town. I was right before, I'm right here. UNOwen is town.

So take that shit off your list, and maybe GL too. IT's probably just Bingle/Sheep/Furtive.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD who are Furtive's partners?

Bingle, Sheep, STD/Kdowns but I'm waiting and praying KDowns comes in and just towns it the fuck up.

I don't think SK or GL can be a furtive buddy and I don't think UNOwen is scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't think UNOwen is scum.

why

gut.

i don't explain townreads and i won't explain this one especially because it was how i found him in HotD

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if you think i'm town and you have any faith in me as a player, UNOwen town is my top read.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ali you make me so fucking nervous

i just got major buddying vibes from you

Furtive is town

Fucking why. Why is this song and dance Furtive is doing town and not scum?

You're apparently town from your PoV right? Furtive's refusing to listen to you and going to force a kill on you today, despite having a scumread on GL apparently.

Why are you townreading this slot? from your PoV it makes zero sense.

Hold up, it's time for an UNO reverse.

You just said we need to kill Alisae the day before ELO (today).

???

You pissed me off.

Mechanically it's 100% correct to kill Ali here but we're also so fuckign far behind that if Ali is town here we lose this game. I don't think we can beat 3 scum at 7 people alive.

So right now I'm just going all in on my top read. You're welcome to call me scum if you like, I don't care.

Ok, and I know your top read is nonsense.

All this calling me a bad player but if you're town and voting because you're 'pissed off'... just lol

It's not nonsense, you're fucking scum and you're being cheeky.

The personal element of it for me is that I feel like you're just fucking with me and thumbing my nose in how no one will kill you so I'm goign to fucking kill you.

No, this is a game. I'm not particularly annoyed by your tunnel on me as a person, nor do I think this is below the belt from you if you are scum. I'm not trying to be deliberately antagonistic, just showing my point of view.

Except I'm town, you spent half of this game killing my WIM and making fun of me and the other half of it pretending you scumread me and making fun of how I can't kill you.

I think you're scum, no I'm CERTAIN you're scum at this point. This is the fucking hill I want to die on.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

this was my ballot

Sherriff - Sheepsaysmeep
Mayor - Bingle
Council Member - Unowen
Trash Collector - LLD
Board of Election - STD

I have a heavy work day today but I'll be around tonight (like after 7 pm PST) to play

Bingle/LLD, are there any concerns about sharing all the budgetary info in the main thread?

when you're around later, I'll be on my phone but can we fucking talk about Furtive.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't think UNOwen is scum.

why

gut.

i don't explain townreads and i won't explain this one especially because it was how i found him in HotD

This isn't really showing good will...the point of the game is discussion

oh piss off.

the point of the game is to find town and catch scum. i don't need to explain that townread to do that

but that's the point here right? to get me riled up?

i'm ashamed to admit it's working