Micro 1075: The Coalition of Imaginary Creatures (Game over)

[Bingle]

Bingle - conftown from my POV
Eiralox - treating this as spewed town today. The particular frustration at N_M is a town one, I think. I doubt scum gets that upset over N_M being unreadable when N_M doesn't look unlimmable.
Not_Mafia - I'm not going to bother partner hunting N_M, I don't think that's a useful way to spend my time.

northsidegal
Dunnstral
Umlaut
patchwork
KawaiiKame
Keychain

That's 15 scumteams for me to examine. I can handle that.

[lilith2013]

V OTECOUNT 1.007
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Keychain (2)	northsidegal, Not_Mafia
patchwork (0)	None
KawaiiKame (1)	Keychain
Not_Mafia (0)	None
northsidegal (0)	None
Eiralox (0)	None
Umlaut (0)	None
Dunnstral (0)	None
Bingle (0)	None
NOT VOTING: patchwork, KawaiiKame, Dunnstral, Bingle, Umlaut, Eiralox
C OALITION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT C OALITION
Keychain (5)	Keychain, Dunnstral, northsidegal, Eiralox, Not_Mafia
patchwork (4)	patchwork, northsidegal, Bingle, Eiralox
KawaiiKame (5)	Eiralox, Dunnstral, Keychain, northsidegal, Umlaut
Not_Mafia (5)	Not_Mafia, Keychain, patchwork, northsidegal, Eiralox
northsidegal (2)	northsidegal, Eiralox
Eiralox (4)	Eiralox, northsidegal, Umlaut, Not_Mafia
Umlaut (5)	Umlaut, northsidegal, Keychain, Eiralox, Bingle
Dunnstral (4)	Dunnstral, northsidegal, Umlaut, Eiralox
Bingle (4)	Bingle, Eiralox, northsidegal, Dunnstral
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lock in a Coalition and 5 to eliminate. Deadline: (expired on 2023-04-06 14:49:20)
Notes: Imaginary creatures have completely fallen by the wayside

[Keychain]

HURT: Dunnstral
HEAL: Umlaut

Umlaut I desperately want you to be town since you're in sync with my thoughts on everything except bingle but that also makes it so hard to read you

Where are you on Bingle right now?

Leaning scum - I feel like he has good posts but what feels like most of them are generic helpfulness/coaching and setup discussion, I associate too much of that with scum

[Keychain]

Bingle - conftown from my POV
Eiralox - treating this as spewed town today. The particular frustration at N_M is a town one, I think. I doubt scum gets that upset over N_M being unreadable when N_M doesn't look unlimmable.
Not_Mafia - I'm not going to bother partner hunting N_M, I don't think that's a useful way to spend my time.

northsidegal
Dunnstral
Umlaut
patchwork
KawaiiKame
Keychain

That's 15 scumteams for me to examine. I can handle that.

I'm excited to see how this goes.

i'm honestly not too sure on who to coalition but i'm currently trying to figure out who i Don't want in my coalition. maybe i'm making some wrong choices here but i just listed the three names that felt the most towny to me
probably going to think about it more though, i haven't really analyzed players yet.
bye!

would love to hear whatever your most recent reads are even if they're not rock solid

[Umlaut]

Where are you on Bingle right now?

Leaning scum - I feel like he has good posts but what feels like most of them are generic helpfulness/coaching and setup discussion, I associate too much of that with scum

A lot of them are that, but Bingle is also the top poster in the game. If you take away the kind of content you're talking about, what's left is still pretty good I think. I found 57, 124, 139 for example to be good while also being about forming reads and advancing the game. I also think the read on Kame in 154, while I disagree with it, is not the sort of thing scum makes up (unless the team is exactly Bingle/KK maybe, but on balance still towny), and the questioning me for clarification in 226 just felt... like a real question, which I suppose it could be but I feel like scum wouldn't care so much to ask as long as I'm townreading them on net.

NSG, what is it that you find bad about 57? The problem I thought I saw with it isn't actually there.

Noticed while reviewing that this was never answered.

[Not_Mafia]

I hated how Bingle interacted with Delta, gave me major scum buddying the impressionable newbie vibe

[KawaiiKame]

Keychain vs. northsidegal feels town vs. town to me, mainly a division in the philosophy of playstyles of convincing someone of you being town being futile/needing to happen, I feel that's basically what's being said in this, the possibility exists that at least one scum is within this interaction tho
Delta/Eira was town and continues to be town, definitely my highest town
N_M feels random town in interactions, vibes town, I doubt scum is this chaotic, possibility exists tho
Bingle is flying everywhere at once, sometimes I'm thinking town, sometimes I'm thinking scum, potentially powerwolfing
dunn feels chill town, opened well with aggressive coallition building, kinda faded
um feels pretty town, I like the shifting of opinions/analysis with new info like with Delta shifting negative to positive and Bingle shifting positive to negative
patch Idk how to read
I believe that's everyone except me

[northsidegal]

northsidegal, what shifted your read on me?

what do we think of this pop-in, my friends

surely someone else besides me has something to say about this (besides key's removal of him)

[northsidegal]

i strongly oppose these 3 people being in the coalition and would like anyone who currently has them in their coalition to explain their reasoning

Already mentioned the read on Dunn. I have also been feeling better about Umlaut recently, and wouldn't strenuously object to his inclusion. I think if he's scum it's likely to be with Dunn or you and I don't think either Dunn or you is likely scum at the moment.

Honestly kind of surprised that I'm not in the top 5, given that I feel I'm being fairly townread atm.

Is your exclusion of Kame from this list because you're feeling better about them or because they don't have the votes that you feel the need to voice your concern?

not to try to influence your partner reading too much, but i think that umlaut / kame is a real possibility. the exclusion of kame was because of the latter.

[Dunnstral]

I give you permission to address me directly, northsidegal.

[Not_Mafia]

Keychain vs. northsidegal feels town vs. town to me, mainly a division in the philosophy of playstyles of convincing someone of you being town being futile/needing to happen, I feel that's basically what's being said in this, the possibility exists that at least one scum is within this interaction tho
Delta/Eira was town and continues to be town, definitely my highest town
N_M feels random town in interactions, vibes town, I doubt scum is this chaotic, possibility exists tho
Bingle is flying everywhere at once, sometimes I'm thinking town, sometimes I'm thinking scum, potentially powerwolfing
dunn feels chill town, opened well with aggressive coallition building, kinda faded
um feels pretty town, I like the shifting of opinions/analysis with new info like with Delta shifting negative to positive and Bingle shifting positive to negative
patch Idk how to read
I believe that's everyone except me

Scum readslist

Bingle/KawaiiKame ggeznore

[KawaiiKame]

Keychain vs. northsidegal feels town vs. town to me, mainly a division in the philosophy of playstyles of convincing someone of you being town being futile/needing to happen, I feel that's basically what's being said in this, the possibility exists that at least one scum is within this interaction tho
Delta/Eira was town and continues to be town, definitely my highest town
N_M feels random town in interactions, vibes town, I doubt scum is this chaotic, possibility exists tho
Bingle is flying everywhere at once, sometimes I'm thinking town, sometimes I'm thinking scum, potentially powerwolfing
dunn feels chill town, opened well with aggressive coallition building, kinda faded
um feels pretty town, I like the shifting of opinions/analysis with new info like with Delta shifting negative to positive and Bingle shifting positive to negative
patch Idk how to read
I believe that's everyone except me

Scum readslist

Bingle/KawaiiKame ggeznore

Why is this a scum readlist? Non-committal?

[patchwork]

people i dont want anywhere near my coalition: kawaii, n_m, dunn

[patchwork]

n_m i can't really read, dunn's play pings me very subtly, kawaii doesn't act the same as they do in towngames

[Dunnstral]

kawaii doesn't act the same as they do in towngames

Can you explain this?

[northsidegal]

I give you permission to address me directly, northsidegal.

well, to do the same thing that i did to keychain and give a contemporary reason in response to a question about my progression, among the reasons that i would not like you in the coalition is the fact that you've been gone for (by content) half of the game now and the first and only thing that you did when popping into the thread was to ask me about why i'm no longer townreading you.

in actuality, my townread on you was only ever a "first four pages, looks good" townread. i already explained why my read on you shifted, back when it did:

on reflection, i actually have significantly less actually good townreads than i thought i did, which is concerning. delta is about the only confident one – dunn was an early one, but i think that there's good cause to re-evaluate that one given that i feel he hasn't actually really come into the game fully so far. his suspicion on keychain aligns with my own thoughts, but i'm not a huge fan of the comments regarding kame. entering the game and immediately forming a full coalition which does not include yourself is an objectively strange thing to do. now, i would be the first person in the world to repeat over and over that seemingly outrageous things like that aren't the best metric for determining who scum is, but at the very least it warrants questioning, and i feel as though dunn takes more of a flippant attitude towards it than is reasonable.

[northsidegal]

i could maybe be convinced on umlaut town

can't decide if my opinion differing on bingle is me being pocketed or me just being more aligned with his "setup spec" (rather than seeing it as scummy)

maybe this game is like 10 times simpler than anyone expects and its literally just dunn / kame

[patchwork]

kawaii doesn't act the same as they do in towngames

Can you explain this?

every game i've played with them so far (newbie 2113, 2114, 2115) have all been towngames. in this game, they don't play similarly as they play as town. for instance, in 2113, they were much more proactive and actually did stuff, and while that got more toned down in 2114 and 2115, kawaii's posting doesn't feel the same as it does then. usually they give me this little ping in my head as i'm reading through their post that makes me think, "oh, this is from town and not scum", but i haven't gotten that ping at all. or maybe im just shit at the game idfk

[Not_Mafia]

n_m i can't really read

I hope this helps

[patchwork]

n_m i can't really read

I hope this helps

thanks bro

[Not_Mafia]

Anytime

[Bingle]

Anytime

Ok, can you post it at 2:32.56 AM next Thursday?

[Not_Mafia]

Which timezone?

[Bingle]

All of them.

[Not_Mafia]

I'll see what I can do