Election! | GAME OVER

[furtiveglance]

I'm livid, everyone reveal voting.

[UNOwen]

How is it a tie??? nOO

Someone has destroyed democracy by not voting, just as I warned would happen!

[UNOwen]

VOTE: Alisae

[UNOwen]

furtive who did you vote for?

[UNOwen]

UNVOTE: Alisae

[UNOwen]

Opinion polling showed me as tracking to win... even with kdowns ballot lost in the post. And the pollsters are never wrong, so what happened there

[GuiltyLion]

this was my ballot

Sherriff - Sheepsaysmeep
Mayor - Bingle
Council Member - Unowen
Trash Collector - LLD
Board of Election - STD

I have a heavy work day today but I'll be around tonight (like after 7 pm PST) to play

Bingle/LLD, are there any concerns about sharing all the budgetary info in the main thread?

[GuiltyLion]

frankly most of it really truly is that I don't believe it's anywhere near as likely that scum have a strongman or RBer as it is Alisae is just a wolf. like that's just how my brain sees these situations, the simple explanation with the most immediate evidence is one I trust, for me it's a big hurdle to go

"well what if scum also have a way to counter a doc"

. I also don't like how Alisae tried to source the opening post as if that definitively proved the existence of counterplay when all it says is the most generic text about "abilities" to "effect" the game

Why? I'm assuming you read my bigpost about why I think the existence of such a role is very likely, so is there something about it that you disagree with?

yeah I've been meaning to do that post a just response, don't have a ton of time but I'll just vomit some quick thoughts now

but the tl;dr is that your post is an argument for "If Ali is town, then the odds scum interfered is high" and that's a definite given because we already assume Alisae is telling the truth in that world, like I don't disagree with that aspect of your argument at all.

However I don't think that in itself is an argument for the likelihood of there being a way to interfere last night in general - you touched on this by saying FTC+extra power is broken so we know there must be counterplay, but I think the fact that we don't know the cop's alignment and we don't know the treasurer's alignment and we don't know the doc's alignment (AND it's a one-shot doc for each role) is enough to counter a FTC setup already. maybe I'm misunderstanding or not aware of the EV there but to me that feels intuitive, we have 2 one-shot doc abilities to protect a cop ability that all have to go to town every night and receive funding from town, it's simply not analogous to FTC.

in my mind the more relevant question is "given the cop was not docced, what are the odds Alisae is scum that didn't use their ability the way e said e would" and to me that is substantially high likelihood. It's not "what are the odds scum have the ability to interfere

if

Alisae is town", it's "what are the odds Alisae is town

and

scum have the abilities to interfere"

and to your other post:

I'm having a hard time reconciling the narrative that scum is willing to trade one-for-one with someone who isn't full confirmed and only might enter the day with a relevant result.

you're making a mistake of assuming scum necessarily specifically chose Alisae to be 'guilted' whereas we as a town elected Alisae and then LLD as an individual

funded

Alisae. assuming Aliscum, that forces the teams hand to decide whether to kill Andante and compromise Alisae's slot, or to allow Andante to live. And it seems kinda obviously valuable to prevent the town from seeing Andante's cop result (and Andante herself was clearly in town meta) and prevent us from getting a chain going, like throughout this game I've heard over and over again arguments for how valuable a cop result is, why are you now assuming scum wouldn't be willing to risk one of their own to take an opportunity to kill the cop when it's handed to them?

[furtiveglance]

furtive who did you vote for?

You

[UNOwen]

Excellent, I always knew you were the best trashman this town had ever had

LLD - who did you vote for?

[furtiveglance]

Something feels very off here...who voted for GL?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Something feels very off here...who voted for GL?

already told you I did

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Excellent, I always knew you were the best trashman this town had ever had

LLD - who did you vote for?

GL, Sleepykrew, Alisae.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GL because I think Furtive is more likely scum than GL
SK because I wanted to rotate the council position
Alisae because Sheep has been quiet the whole time and they have major scum equity for me, and forcing Alisae to either be shot or come up with a cop result at which point we could kill Alisae to check e AND the cop result e provided made a lot of sense. I'm not on the kill Ali/GL train today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

this was my ballot

Sherriff - Sheepsaysmeep
Mayor - Bingle
Council Member - Unowen
Trash Collector - LLD
Board of Election - STD

I have a heavy work day today but I'll be around tonight (like after 7 pm PST) to play

Bingle/LLD, are there any concerns about sharing all the budgetary info in the main thread?

At this point... No. I think you can be open.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

How is it a tie??? nOO

Someone has destroyed democracy by not voting, just as I warned would happen!

I'm confused on why it's a tie too. Did Kdowns just not vote?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What were your votes Owen

[Thestatusquo]

Pause, possible issue

[Thestatusquo]

My apologies, one ballot was incorrectly not counted.

This results in unowen being elected. Nothing else changes based off of these votes.

[SleepyKrew]

rigged

[SleepyKrew]

GL because I think Furtive is more likely scum than GL
SK because I wanted to rotate the council position
Alisae because Sheep has been quiet the whole time and they have major scum equity for me, and forcing Alisae to either be shot or come up with a cop result at which point we could kill Alisae to check e AND the cop result e provided made a lot of sense. I'm not on the kill Ali/GL train today.

You must be really confident we’re limming scum today if that’s your mindset re: Alisae
So which scum are we limming?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GL because I think Furtive is more likely scum than GL
SK because I wanted to rotate the council position
Alisae because Sheep has been quiet the whole time and they have major scum equity for me, and forcing Alisae to either be shot or come up with a cop result at which point we could kill Alisae to check e AND the cop result e provided made a lot of sense. I'm not on the kill Ali/GL train today.

You must be really confident we’re limming scum today if that’s your mindset re: Alisae
So which scum are we limming?

Furtive.

[SleepyKrew]

In that post you just call him more likely scum than GL! That’s not the level of confidence I’m looking for!!

[GuiltyLion]

I'm having a hard time reconciling the narrative that scum is willing to trade one-for-one with

someone who isn't full confirmed and only might enter the day with a relevant result.

also Bingle maybe I'm missing something but aren't you yourself acknowledging exactly why this

isn't

a super town sided FTC setup that requires scum power counterplay yourself here?

like either

1) Andante being a cop with a result is valuable to town, and scum would be willing to gamble one of their own to kill her,
or
2) it's not

that

valuable, and the setup is roughly balanced without scum powers like RB or strongman

but it seems like you're wanting to have it both ways here

[UNOwen]

Yesssss, steal successfully stopped. Not even the establishment can keep me down. Is there a committee in session? I don't have access and must represent my voters.

My votes were for GuiltyLion and sheep.