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yeahKorts wrote:
Actually, I give him slight town points for that. I don't see particular motivation as scum to give a shit about kill MO's.Wall-E wrote:
This makes me think you have a killing role.hp [leaves] wrote:/confirm
Are we told the way of killing or we just find/not find dead bodies?
Vote: hp [leaves]
post 19 nonrandom vote - because i'm the shiznigackle
wut wikka obama it's your birthday -day birth-wikka-day (unf unf unf baby yeah)
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I have to disagree. I can't articulate it, but if I were, for example, the SK, I'd want to know if my kills would have a distinctive flavor, and to facilitate distancing myself, or perhaps out of a guilty conscience, or even because the issue is important to his role, I feel hp [leaves] is a good choice for the moment.Doc wrote:So, like that Korts guy said, hp actually deserves slight pro-town points for that. Scum don't have any particular motivation to ask that question or at all any question relating MO's.[url=http://s45creations.wordpress.com]I own a design studio[/url] :)- Wall-E
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So the rest of us are clearer, are you claiming mason, pops?popsofctown wrote:He said, "Nobody is going to defend me except myself". If he was mason, there'd probably someone directly or indirectly helping him, and he probably would have avoided such a comment and left that up in the air. Ideally, even if he's vanilla he would have a avoided such a comment and left it up in the air.
I don't think it's untownie to point out the remark. It is tangibly valuable info, that if Tenchi is mislynch he's not mason mislynch. And I really doubt I've helped the scum figure out who's mason too much. It's not like a reverse-psychoanalyzed and quadratic pattern of his postings to deduce that he might not be mason, and released my findings. He said, in front of town, scum and all, "Nobody is going to defend me except myself".[url=http://s45creations.wordpress.com]I own a design studio[/url] :)- Wall-E
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This post of yours is subtly psychologically damning, in my eyes, hp. It's worded in such a way as to strongly implant an image of a mafia publically answering this question by posting his role PM (through the use of ridiculous imagery), then immediately slap the reader with Peter?'s name, connecting them in an equation with no actual correlation between the two realities (or correlation that is easily proven too WIFOMey to pursue).hp [leaves] wrote:
I think it'd be very courageous of mafia if they stepped up and said "Yes it does; it's in my role PM"Peter? wrote:No one seems to have actually answered hp's question yet, which I find strange. Judging from the given role PMs I'd say we are told the method (The Werewolves PM says eaten while the Mafia's says killed)
Any reason you c/p'ed only the wolf pm?
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The problem may be that I, too, thought the werewolf PM most strongly answered the question. Of course there will be death flavor. Otherwise they'd be Mafia A and Mafia B. Werewolves are strictly a third-or-even-fourth branch of kill flavor, or sometimes story flavor, but that is clearly not the case or intent of this setup.[url=http://s45creations.wordpress.com]I own a design studio[/url] :)- Wall-E
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"[popsofctown is] ready to leave his "masonism" "up in the air" but is ready to speculate on [Tenchi's]."
This is the most significant thing said in two pages, with the possible exception of:
"Soveliss, why would scum say that Tenchi is not a mason? (Warning. This question is only for Soveliss. If you want to reply, you may do so after Soveliss has answered)"
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I don't really understand what you're all saying here, but I'm willing to completely drop it if explaining what is going on to me will somehow jeopardize the town. Sorry if I faux pas, not meaning disrespect, kiss.Doc wrote:
That is a very slippery foundation. Mafia have reason to try and draw a mason claim, and a townie who isn't clear on theory may also have a reason to want to out confirmed roles.Wall-E wrote:Only a mason can confirm a townie non-mason. That or a rolecop. Why else say, "X is not likely a mason?" How the hell does he know?
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Is English your second language?hp [leaves] wrote:
I like you kind of approach here. I also think the same thing that you do.sekinj wrote:An idea: Let's lynch the next person who says the M***** word.
Pos is kinda bothering me as he's constantly "complaining" about "double standards".
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Some things I spotted on a read:
PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PLAYING NEED TO STOP POSTING HERE - IT MAKES READTHROUGHS CONFUSING! THAT MEANS FARSIDE TOO!! OMGWTFSPLOSION!!!farside22 wrote:Wall-E wrote:
Wait, what? I don't think so, buster!Korts wrote:mod: please delete above and this postKorts is not even listed in this game.
I'm seeing zazie and pops as townies at each other's throats, atm. I find it simultaneously entertaining and a good engine for the scumhunt. I find myself agreeing with Doc and pops often in the thread.
I'm curious how HP will reply to 196 and 197.
sekinj: In your opinion, has pops increased his "excessive wifoming"?
Over-focus? Do you have another suggestion for us to focus on? I think it's a bit silly to just suggest a cease-fire without offering an alternate target. (requisite IGMEOY)Budja wrote:What the mod is saying is that we will find out if the mafia and werewolf kills show up the same.
If they are revealed, I think it could help he town but not until the final days where a pattern could be deduced. Of course this is only my opinion.
Pops seems to like his WIFOM, pick the side you feel is more likely but keep your mind open.
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If that's all you've got on pops you're stretching way too much for my taste.Tenchi wrote:@Pops: "You said you would "STFU". That is what you said you would do. That sounded to me to be "not posting". If everyone else in this thread will tell me that "STFU" does not mean "not posting", then I will self-vote. Seriously. It's not what i wanted to see. It's there in plain language.[url=http://s45creations.wordpress.com]I own a design studio[/url] :)- Wall-E
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Upon a re-read, it sounds like you're mad at someone for convincing themselves to attack you. That's pretty unforgiving, especially since I, too, have a hard time deciding sometimes who is the big bad scum. I may build a case for a page and then finally vote. It's the logical progression of thought: It's not like I base an entire case on one post someone makes and go, "AHA! Gotcha!"popsofctown wrote:
*****SPACE AND TIME*****Soveliss wrote:
Actually he said.Tenchi wrote: Pops made a comment on me being a mason. I feel its like scum group A sending a message to scum group B. For what purpose, I don't know. But I feel that it's VERY NOT TOWNIE to expose who is mason and who isn't.
I believe he is saying you are not mason.By the by, i notice he's implied he's not mason..... best worst-case scenario..
This is moderately suspicious. Why didn't you comment on my mason exposure in the earlier post? You clarify, but don't comment on it. I'm suspicious of people who are delayed to give their own opinion.Soveliss wrote:UNVOTE
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Another thing slightly off is Pops statement about Tenchi not being a Mason. If you think he might not be the mason you should keep that to yourself. There is no reason to narrow down possible choices for mason unless you are mafia trying to pick them off.
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What?Tenchi wrote:
I didn't need YOU to say it. It was pretty obvious on Page 6-7 that doing so is NOT helpful, yet you still did it.Wall-E wrote:Tenchi: Where did I discuss M word after saying I'd drop it?
I could post a bunch of links with no explaination of why they are relevant too. I'm not going to, because I'm awesome. Why are those links important for me to read?
What did I DO? I feel like I want to cry! All I've heard is, "Don't do that." "Why did you do that?" "You are scum for doing that!"Tenchi wrote:Pops was persecuted for doing it once, why do it again?
(I even skipped some posts which quoted the information on those posts)
Either you selectively read, forgot, or one sneaky scum.Bigger FoS: Wall-Efor trying to weasel your way out of it.
You did it. Admit that you did something wrong and possibly scummy. And admit it that it does deserve suspicion at least.
WTF?!?
WILL THIS POST GET ME AN EVEN BIGGER FOS?!
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My best lead right now is Budja. His call for a "cease-fire" without offering alternate targets still bothers me. I could be convinced to vote for pops or ZazieR if one of them does something scummy worth noting and can't explain it, so I'm waiting on further debate between those two before picking a more serious target.
The debate between them is healthy, but atm I'm getting a town read off pops and a lesser town read off Z.
I missed this question earlier:
It was less that I was defending him and more that I was calling attention to specific things he's said that I feel are good for us all to notice.sekinj wrote:@ wall-e: you seem to want to defend pops? why is that?
I'm suspicious of hp leaves and Tenchi: Hp for shoddy, slop plays that make him look like a newb who cares little about the game, and Tenchi for post 211 where he calls someone scum with zero explaination as well as the reasons given for his bandwagon earlier. That lynch died with a whimper which tells me there might have been some merit to it.
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I... I what? HE ASKED TO BE REPLACED AFTER I VOTED FOR HIM!!Doc wrote:
Since discussion stalled, pretty much, partly due to lurkers and party, well, due to lurkers. Without their differential there's nothing new to go on. So, pushing a wagon is the only way to go.Zazie wrote:Since when do you post Xtoxm-style?
So, you gonna vote pops or what? Now that Budja's getting replaced, your vote serves no purpose. And that goes to Wall-E, too. Voting people on the verge of being replaced is a cop-out.
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I disapprove of this lynch, but can't say why because it's verboten (apparently).
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popsofctown (7): peter?, soveliss, doc, tenchi, hp[leaves], sekinj, seraphim
budja (2): zazier, wall-e
tenchi (1): popsofctown
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I was assuming the scum have to outnumber the other remaining players, including the other scum team, so it would have to be X > or = Y, where X is the number of teamed scum and Y is the total players minus X. I don't think we're in LYLO for this reason. Can the mod clarify?[url=http://s45creations.wordpress.com]I own a design studio[/url] :)- Wall-E
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I can find no evidence of First Letter breadcrumbing in Doc's posts. He did
go after Tenchi, which shifts him even further up my suspect list.
I'm supremely upset that Doc didn't share his thoughts on me BEFORE
night fell, given that he was not an investigator (the only reason I can see
for witholding the info: Possibly trying to confirm my role before dropping
some kind of bomb on me), so double boner points for that. Luckily we
have a backup mason who is now a member of that mason team, so the
information is (hopefully) still in the game, but it's hardly worth a claim
for the info to become available today. Suffice to say I will ask any
claimed mason for this information.
We need to hear from Budja's replacement, Peter?'s replacement,
blueheaven and several others on the events of yesterday.
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Tenchi got some heat from pops in post 93, and up to that point in the
thread he'd been lurky, making fluff posts... A wagon formed on him
because of several people swiveling their attention away from Zazie and
Korts' flirting.
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I'm not liking Tenchi as of post 93. By post 99 he's defending my stance
on an issue that I started regarding HP, but retroactively taking my
reasoning as his own defense strikes me as opportunistic in the extreme.
There is nothing to show he wasn't simply reading the thread for a
decently WIFOM-rich attack to piggyback on.
That's not an adequate response, imo.Tenchi wrote:
Are you reading everything?Soveliss wrote:
I dont know what the motives for the mafia or wolves would be forZazieR wrote:
And why would the mafia or the wolfes want to know [if kills have flavor]?
knowing [if kills have flavor], but what would town find useful from
knowing [if kills have flavor]?
I do.Tenchi wrote:A confirmed, dead townie wrote:Tenchi's vote on HP comes off strange to me. Seems he is trying to park his vote on the easiest target
he can find. HP has been the prime discussion thus far and was a easy
target.Tenchi wrote:Who says I was targetting him?
Ok.Tenchi wrote:Parking, yes
Too self-assured. Why park your vote on someone and NOT ask a question when you do? Better yet, ask a question FIRST, gauge the reaction, THEN vote if you still feel sure.Tenchi wrote:starting an inquisition on him no.
This kind of self-meta is never acceptable in my book. You're too scummy to be scum now? I think not.Tenchi wrote:And besides, if I took my vote off him, then people would ask me why, and I really have no reason to unvote him since I see no other suspicious behavior, only certain associations.
No. You're the one who's bandwagonning. Or at least I think so. I'm obviously somebody who can't keep his mouth shut making me an easy lynch.Vote Tenchi
For trying to start a bandwagon on a easy target.
Vote: Soveliss
As of post 126 EVERYONE is giving Tenchi the stinkeye. Peter? makes some good points (some of which I'm reiterating now, some of which I don't entirely agree with) and at this point in the thread it looks like Tenchi is the most suspicious person in the thread by polling.
Then comes his big defense. I will strikeout anything I find flippant, irrelevant or nit-picky:
* It's not scummy to attack someone, regardless of if they've claimed they'll be STFUing or not.Tenchi wrote:Some notes and answers because I'm tired of quoting too many things:
+ I will lay off the CAPS LOCK. But I will use it once in a while. It's in my DNA.
+ REGARDING PETER: He made a similar mistake Soveliss did -- he was updated on my case but was not updated on other issues this time on the Mod's response. Although I still feel Soveliss made a graver mistake by missing 2-3 posts regarding why town/scum would want to know why a reveal in MO would be advantageous or not.
+ MORE REGARDING PETER: He posted this huge case against me when I said I was going to STFU. Could be coincidence or could be scum hoping I'd be absent so that no one would defend me.*
+ REGARDING POPS: He's ready to leave his "masonism" "up in the air" but is ready to speculate on mine.**
+ REGARDING ZAZIER's QUESTION ON POST 116: SEE TIMELINE HERE. I saw no other suspicious behavior except from HP missing from the thread AT THAT MOMENT. Then Soveliss came along...
+ REGARDING IF/WHEN: It was confusing I admit. I mean that if their suspicions was hinged on me being townie, then yes my lynch would be ok. But if you guys think I'm scum and you have no other leads aside from thatif I turn up scumthen that would be useless. But since I'm town I shouldn't have used the word IF. I just creates more confusion on my alignment. So it was a stupid mistake/assumption on my part.
+ REGARDING LYNCHING ON MY BIRTHDAY: I was actually having fun in my posts for the first time in this game.- appeal to emotion
+ REGARDING POST 124: You need to let me have a life on my birthday. :-p And I did! Regardless, I was still back to write some good stuff later that day.- appeal to emotion #2
+ REGARDING BUDJA: I wish he'd share more of his suspicions more. If he wants us to look at other players, then he should have seen/supported cases on other players by now.- call for others to work harder
+ DOC ON HP BEING SEASONED: Point made. I'd rather not go there as HP's post is just full of circular logic. Not to mention we have more interesting discussions now.
+ QUESTION FOR DOC: Why is a playstyle argument relevant? What do you mean by that?
+ REGARDING USING METAS: It is against my better judgement. There is a lot more going on a single thread with lots of information. I'd rather rely on that than using cases that look similar but involve different people/playstyles and personalities. (Or maybe it is just a bias on my part.) Not to mention mafia is originally played without metas, so I'd rather keep it that way. Unless metas are acceptable here in mafiascum culture, then go ahead and use it. But it's not going to have too much weight (if any at all) on my book.***
+ FINALLY QUOTES:
Tenchi wrote:Look, I'm gonna do you guys a favor. I'm just gonna STFU and let you guys decide whether to lynch me or not. I will enjoy my day rather than overthinking things again and just making a huge mess.
Confirm Vote: Soveliss
And then:
For blowing out of proportion my messagepopsofctown wrote:unvote
Vote: Tenchi
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All of his other actions are very scummy. "Can you not lynch me while i refuse to defend myself KTHXBYE". At this point, the only reason i can doubt that he's scum is that he seems like his daytalk friend would be able to coach him into better action than that.
...on taking a break from the game and having fun in my birthdayintobeing unhelpful by refusing to defend myself. I NEVER SAID I WILL STOP DEFENDING MYSELF. AND I NEVER DID.
+ ON POPS REMOVING HIS TUNNEL VISION: OMG FINALLY!Huge FoS still on POPSVote: Pops
(At this point I'm voting Pops or Soveliss.)
** This was the initial reason I unvoted and stopped pursuing Tenchi right here. It's still a good point, I think, but in light of pops' flip I'm downgrading the significance. Even scum can make pro-town points.
*** This bit is a very verbose way of continuing meta discussion (or meta-meta discussion, if that's not redundant) while simultaneously denouncing meta.
Vote: Tenchi
FoS: Soveliss
Soveliss has done several things I find distasteful so far. I'll post a case on him/her if I feel it's necessary, but in light of my #1 FoSing him, I'm going to do some more observing.
Thoughts?
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Thanks for reiterating what I said.Tenchi wrote:
I think it would be stupid for one of the masons to come out right now, especially if Doc suspected you.Wall-E wrote:
I'm supremely upset that Doc didn't share his thoughts on me BEFORE
night fell, given that he was not an investigator (the only reason I can see
for witholding the info: Possibly trying to confirm my role before dropping
some kind of bomb on me), so double boner points for that. Luckily we
have a backup mason who is now a member of that mason team, so the
information is (hopefully) still in the game, butit's hardly worth a claimSuffice to say I will ask any
for the info to become available today.
claimed mason for this information.
Just so we're clear, you're claiming your vote on me is for me having a weak case, not OMGUS, right?
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I'll address the points you argued effectively. Anything I don't address you used appeal to emotion or just dismissed.
Wall-E wrote:Tenchi got some heat from pops in post 93, and up to that point in the thread he'd been lurky, making fluff posts... A wagon formed on him because of several people swiveling their attention away from Zazie and Korts' flirting.
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I'm not liking Tenchi as of post 93. By post 99 he's defending my stance on an issue that I started regarding HP, but retroactively taking my reasoning as his own defense strikes me as opportunistic in the extreme. There is nothing to show he wasn't simply reading the thread for a decently WIFOM-rich attack to piggyback on.
Ah, but that's not what I'm referencing here. Let me quote it for you:Tenchi wrote:Nope. I was actually the first to bring up the fact he was discussing who was mason or not. The additional points people brought up (like he jumped on vote bandwagons) just added reason to why others voted for him. AFAIK I was one of the first few people who voted for him (although it was initially born out of OMGUS). Not to mention his failure to actually provide alternative suspects if he is town(which was the thing I also noticed). He did provide Budja as one and like many others, I'm still waiting for what a Budja replacement will say.
This is the discussion in question. Your initial response was to condemn my attack (which I later agreed with), but then;Wall-E wrote:
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Actually, I give him slight town points for that. I don't see particular motivation as scum to give a shit about kill MO's.Wall-E wrote:
This makes me think you have a killing role.hp [leaves] wrote:/confirm
Are we told the way of killing or we just find/not find dead bodies?
Vote: hp [leaves]
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You honestly do not see a reason?
You jumped onboard the HP wagon for an arguably weaker reason.Tenchi wrote:After that one long discussion regarding his ONE post, his resounding absence makes me suspect him. Smells like scum who wants to let other people argue for him/make their associations.
Vote: HP
Well I think that smells.Tenchi wrote:REGARDING TARGETING HP: I didn't. I just parked my vote to pressure him to contribute to the thread.
Wall-E wrote:Too self-assured. Why park your vote on someone and NOT ask a question when you do? Better yet, ask a question FIRST, gauge the reaction, THEN vote if you still feel sure.Tenchi wrote:Good question. Honestly, I don't know what to ask. I just wanted him to participate more since all that initial discussion came from his question.
Wall-E wrote:"This kind of self-meta is never acceptable in my book. You're too scummy to be scum now? I think not. "
More self-meta? Stop it!Tenchi wrote:Good point, but that's what I'm thinking. I'm looking scummy in all three of my games right now and I can't seem to figure out how to deal with this self-scumminess. :-p I'll learn.
Wall-E wrote:"* It's not scummy to attack someone, regardless of if they've claimed they'll be STFUing or not. "
Hmm.Tenchi wrote:My concern was the fact that Peter, after a LOOOOOOONG absence makes this huge post against me when I "claimed" I will be away. I personally find the timing suspicious. But since you are thinking I'm scum, then that really doesn't matter to you.
I can accept that, but it's weak sauce and smells OMGUS-y against P?.
Wall-E wrote:This was the initial reason I unvoted and stopped pursuing Tenchi right here. It's still a good point, I think, but in light of pops' flip I'm downgrading the significance. Even scum can make pro-town points.
Really? You're just going to dismiss the whole case like that?Tenchi wrote:That's unfair. It's like saying "Let's all nullify Tenchi's good points because he's scum.".I don't even see anything else that makes me scum aside from the fact that I voted for Pops.
When you add this whole thing up, you appear sloppy, and that's enough to drag me off the fence on the issue of your alignment and into the muddy yard of doubt.
I'm starting to think you might be a more emotional player than a logical one... the bane of my existence and the only kind of player that gives me trouble. The last time I instinctually tangled with one of your breed they flipped scum... That could have been coincidence, but I'd like to think I have a fair nose for a bullshitter.
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Wall-E wrote:
"* It's not scummy to attack someone, regardless of if they've claimed they'll be STFUing or not. "
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My concern was the fact that Peter, after a LOOOOOOONG absence makes this huge post against me when I "claimed" I will be away. I personally find the timing suspicious.But since you are thinking I'm scum, then that really doesn't matter to you.
Nice try at mischaracterization there, too.
It's not: I think you're scum and therefore your defense is weak. It's: Pre-empting Peter?'s case with, "I'm going to STFU now" doesn't erase or invalidate his points in ANY WAY.
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Right here. Nobody'd mentioned masonry up to that point, and when I pointed it out a moritorium was declared on the whole issue, making me even more strongly suspect pops was softclaiming. I originally wanted a cop to investigate pops on N1, and was hoping that by calling some attention to it the cop would do so, but after some people yelled at me for talking about it I washed my hands of the issue, then later I said something like, "I disagree with this lynch, but can't say why."Wall-E wrote:
So the rest of us are clearer, are you claiming mason, pops?popsofctown wrote:He said, "Nobody is going to defend me except myself". If he was mason, there'd probably someone directly or indirectly helping him, and he probably would have avoided such a comment and left that up in the air. Ideally, even if he's vanilla he would have a avoided such a comment and left it up in the air.
I don't think it's untownie to point out the remark. It is tangibly valuable info, that if Tenchi is mislynch he's not mason mislynch. And I really doubt I've helped the scum figure out who's mason too much. It's not like a reverse-psychoanalyzed and quadratic pattern of his postings to deduce that he might not be mason, and released my findings. He said, in front of town, scum and all, "Nobody is going to defend me except myself".
I hope that catches you up on the events of D1, sekinj.
Mod: Can we get some prods?
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I can agree with this reason 100%.ZazieR wrote:My top 3 scummy players:
1 Budja (tatatadum...)
-Not answering questions aimed at him.
What?ZazieR wrote:-Voting as Soveliss saw hp's question as scummy (why Soveliss and not somebody else who gave comments about hp's post)
Combined with the next one, yes.ZazieR wrote:-Comments about over-focusing on Tenchi
Combined with the previous one, yes.ZazieR wrote:-Saying Tenchi is highly scummy, without telling why he thinks this.
Can you reference the underlined bit? Where did Budja do that? The second thing is not a scumtell by any means.ZazieR wrote:-'Keeping friends', better known as not scumhunting. He also gave his 'list' of suspicions once. However, his list had only Soveliss on it as Pops was neutral to him.
So? Apart from being kinda funny, what of it?ZazieR wrote:-His comments about 'Tencho making errors all over the place'.[url=http://s45creations.wordpress.com]I own a design studio[/url] :)- Wall-E
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SC: All the questions you asked me have already been answered, leading me to believe that your concern over the content of the thread is feigned.
Further, your vote on me was for... what?
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...do you want to keep guessing or just ask? I'm going to spoil the surprise and say, "Read my case on Tenchi." Anything I say about his behavior chronologically prior to that vote is my reasons for my vote.
Maybe you can build a... anti case on Tenchi to convince me why I'm on the wrong trail?
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You're wrong about it not being important AND about it not being a scummy question. It's very important, but the answer is obvious (see: werewolf role, as someone pointed out), which is why HP's concern rubbed me wrong. As I said before, the werewolf (on mafiascum, anyway) has no other purpose than kill flavor distinction, which we need to help us find the scum. QED the answer WAS important and it was ALSO scummy to ask about, in my opinion, due to the fact that most town would probably jump to the same conclusion I did rather than needing 100% mod validation.StrangerCoug wrote:
I would argue that it's not a scummy question. Not important to ask, but not scummy to ask either.Wall-E wrote:
This makes me think you have a killing role.hp [leaves] wrote:/confirm
Are we told the way of killing or we just find/not find dead bodies?
Vote: hp [leaves]
Regardless, I'm now thinking HP was just not giving the thread much thought rather than scum wondering aloud about his own role.
I... I... I'm going to cry now.SC wrote:
Why wouldn't you be allowed to voice why you don't like popsofctown's lynch?Wall-E wrote:I disapprove of this lynch, but can't say why because it's verboten (apparently).
IT WAS VERBOTEN TO DISCUSS MASONRY AT THE TIME!!!! I GOT SHOUTED DOWN WHEN I TRIED!!!!! how many times am i going to be asked this? he wasn't a mason, so what's with this question? are you reading just my posts by isolation or ---?SC wrote:
Why didn't you say so earlier, damn it? ><Wall-E wrote:I thought pops was a bad lynch because I thought he'd soft-claimed mason.[url=http://s45creations.wordpress.com]I own a design studio[/url] :)- Wall-E
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It's scary to scum to be voted for with no stated reason. They start to wonder if the voter is a cop or other investigative. I was trying to unbalance Tenchi. You don't have to like it, but don't claim I had no reason when I voted.StrangerCoug wrote:
It was the only thing I saw in your post other than the vote, so I interpreted it as the reason. Your confirm vote is laughable too.Wall-E wrote:"Let's see what this does." wasn't my reason for voting him either.
For the record, I am NOT okay with people voting without stating their reasons.
Yeah, I realize I'm a hypocrite. I should just put that in my sig.
Well, see, Tenchi is the mafia. I hope that helps.SC wrote:
Which I don't understand. For at least the third time now. Meaning that somebody has to sum it up for me.Wall-E wrote:I'm going to spoil the surprise and say, "Read my case on Tenchi."
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