Open 875 - The Kindgom of Zeal: The Queens Chosen - GAME OVER

[Save The Dragons]

supposedly

[Radical Rat]

Alright so. I lied, I'm not a Cop, but I had a good reason to.

I didn't know if we had more cops left or not, but I knew scum did know. So I thought an easy way to find out if there were enough Cops in the setup was to see if scum would believe there was another one. So I alluded to checking Ranger/Umlaut hoping scum would kill there and confirm something.

I wanted to keep it at that rather than claim outright, but when Gimli claimed trying to find a Cop to protect, I figured there PROBABLY wasn't another one I was stealing the protection from, which was a huge mistake on my part, but I was afraid that if I didn't fullclaim my fake Cop then, scum would do it instead, and it made more sense to have protection on Town than Scum, even if I wasn't really a Cop.

And I did learn from this actually. Scum did NOT believe my claim, because if they did, either Umlaut or Ranger would be dead. This means there are five Cops, not six, and Umlaut is lying.

VOTE: Umlaut

My actual role is N4 Doctor, pinky promise.

[Radical Rat]

It's also theoretically possible that scum DID believe me, because knowing Umlaut isn't a cop would have made me the fifth claim, but also that Ranger/Umlaut are scum together, and so could not have been the kill that way.

Either way, Umlaut at least is definitely scum

[Umlaut]

Goddammit RR, why can't you just 1v1 me like a normal person

I'm pretty sure you're just full of shit but now I have to actually think about whether you as town would really try something like this. Why would you do this to me.

[Umlaut]

Has RR ever fakeclaim-gambited like this before as town?

[Radical Rat]

I'll save you the trouble and say no, unless it's some old game from years ago I've forgotten about

[Gimli]

jesus christ man

so like if we coordinated this well enough we could have enchant alive on d5 with a check if he was a n4 which would've been huge

instead you did this thing and yeah you're right if you're town scum did not believe you but also they've POE'd down enchant exactly as the last cop???? I have to figure out why that would happen

RR have you softed anywhere that you were actually lying and scum could tell because of that?

[Gimli]

this is how things looked for scum last night:

kawaii - no claim
ranger - n1 doc claimant
me - n3 doc claimant
std - no claim
RR - n3 cop claimant (not actual cop)
LL - no claim
enchant - no claim

POE for last cop for scum:

RR/LL/STD/kawaii/enchant

now let's say for some god knows what reason, scum KNEW it wasn't RR. their cop POE for the night is: kawaii/std/ll/enchant. if RR is scum then it's the same POE.

now would scum RR claim 6th when there's a 6th? certainly, he'd claim 6th if there's only 5. but if umlaut is a cop and there's a 6th, why the fucking hell would RR do this bonkers af gambit? I'm not seeing the scum motivation, otoh scum had to know he was lying???

current theory is: the two scums are in ll/std/kawaii, and their POE for cop was either of these + enchant and they shot enchant.

maybe scum wouldn't shoot kawaii cause he is limbait

[Gimli]

if there's six

and umlaut is town and claims cop with ranger check
and RR is town and claims cop and that its going to check in ranger/umlaut
and scum can't kill RR

what does scum do here? I think it kills ranger 100% of the time

[Gimli]

but the thing we can't ignore is that they hit the cop, I don't think that was accidental, I think that was POEing down the last cop and that's amazing to me

I don't think scum is like kawa/std or some other potato combination

they went cop cop cop

they somehow, I mean we ended up limming furtive? that's a very odd game and we're getting screwed

what I'm trying to say is I kinda think LLD has to be scum a lot in this game, I think she is the one brainy enough to set up the absolute ass we're making of ourselves

[Gimli]

I don't mean std and kawa are potatoes I'm sorry

I meant like it has to be a SPICY team you see what im saying?

[Gimli]

but also I can't make up for the fact that scum didn't believe RR unless that's written somewhere in this game from their posting

so I also think RR is probably scum? and the team is RR/LLD and I can see LLD voting umlaut and yeah this makes sense to me rn

[Gimli]

also considering how everything went I probably did misplay my doctor horribly as well and am part of everything bad that happened last gameday

[Gimli]

this is how things looked for scum last night:

kawaii - no claim
ranger - n1 doc claimant
me - n3 doc claimant
std - no claim
RR - n3 cop claimant (not actual cop)
LL - no claim
enchant - no claim

POE for last cop for scum:

RR/LL/STD/kawaii/enchant

now let's say for some god knows what reason, scum KNEW it wasn't RR. their cop POE for the night is: kawaii/std/ll/enchant. if RR is scum then it's the same POE.

now would scum RR claim 6th when there's a 6th? certainly, they'd claim 6th if there's only 5. but if umlaut is a cop and there's a 6th, why the fucking hell would RR do this bonkers af gambit? I'm not seeing the scum motivation, otoh scum had to know RR was lying???

current theory is: the two scums are in ll/std/kawaii, and their POE for cop was either of these + enchant and they shot enchant.

maybe scum wouldn't shoot kawaii cause he is limbait

pronoun fixing sry RR...

[Umlaut]

jesus christ man

so like if we coordinated this well enough we could have enchant alive on d5 with a check if he was a n4 which would've been huge

How would this have worked? I thought I saw it for a second but you would need at least a second n3 protect for the way I have it in my head, especially given your assumption that maf didn't just get lucky with the Enchant kill.

[Umlaut]

I think if RR is town we're just fucked so I'm working on the assumption they're scum here.

[Gimli]

if RR is a n4 doc like he is saying we had it yeah

enchant claims n4

I save him n3
RR saves him n4

[Umlaut]

In that scenario, Mafia can kill RR on n3 and Enchant on n4.

[Gimli]

*like they were saying

pedit: oh. yeah. okay.

I shouldn't have claimed anything in hindsight

[Umlaut]

I feel like missing that is +town, as is this whole flurry of posts, which is good because I was getting paranoid on you

[Radical Rat]

jesus christ man

so like if we coordinated this well enough we could have enchant alive on d5 with a check if he was a n4 which would've been huge

instead you did this thing and yeah you're right if you're town scum did not believe you but also they've POE'd down enchant exactly as the last cop???? I have to figure out why that would happen

RR have you softed anywhere that you were actually lying and scum could tell because of that?

Well, I did talk D1 about how we ALL should have been lying. But I think the circumstances around my claim kinda negate that? Like, my argument was getting scum to shoot incorrectly, not getting Doctors to heal incorrectly.

Also if they even thought it was a possibility, I think the risk would have outweighed their doubt. Me checking Umlaut, if Umlaut is Town, creates a chain that clears both Umlaut and Ranger if I'm real and believed. That's three nearly confirmed Townies, and basically auto-win. And if I'm not believed and eliminated, Umlaut and Ranger get fully confirmed instead of nearly confirmed, which is still a very favorable trade. So killing one of the 'confirmed' slots becomes basically mandatory, even if they aren't 100% sure on me.

I'm not really convinced they figured out Enchant either way, though it does greatly concern me that LLD hasn't been shot yet, despite being a universal townread up to this point.

[Radical Rat]

Althooooooough

[Radical Rat]

Well now.
By my count that’s five dead investigators with two living ones, in a setup with a maximum of six.

If anyone else wants to claim investigator, it'll mean both {RR, Umlaut} are scum.

We don’t really need to wait for RR to claim a result, they know the setup, they know the math, so we already know that regardless of alignment they're going to claim a guilty.

The real question isn't Umlaut's alignment (RR will say scum regardless), but rather Radical Rat's.

This might be TMI?
Why would I claim a guilty as either alignment?

As scum, bussing MIGHT be worth it with all the cops dead, sure, but not a guarantee, and as Town? You wouldn't know ahead of time whether my result was on you or Umlaut, so... what's up there?

[Gimli]

The important thing to determine the full scum team is figure out why enchant was shot. I think that by itself means there are 6 cops, because the enchant kill is a cop hunt.

I don't think there's anything in either RR or umlaut's postings that cause me to think scum would know either is lying. If either is lying and scum could tell that, it's because one of them is scum.

Could RR do that as scum? Yes, as long as their POE for the last cop was very clear. RR would draw the protectives away from the real cop, kill them, and then try to talk themselves out of it like RR is doing here. That means the pool of kk/lld/std contains a partner + there might be something in either std or llds posts that spews them not cop. I'll have to check it later. But if scum's cop POE has something like kk and enchant, ofc they're not killing kk cause it'd be easier to deal with discrediting him after he claims.

That's my first theory. Scum team would be RR/std or RR/lld. Both work well as RR has been townreading both without interacting much with them.

If RR flips town, then we have to assume umlaut is scum, and then the game gets immensely difficult

[Umlaut]

@mod v/la for weekend

Won't be 100% absent but probably just passively following

Acknowledged!