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[DeasVail]

Deasveil - my thought process is that I’m speculating without experience, first game since late 2018 and I haven’t played regularly since 2012.

The points about Dessew sway me, so let’s push them to 5.

VOTE: Dessew

I actually liked your initial response to me, it’s all good

[Enchant]

Oh by the way do you have questions to me

Who is scum? Why?
Who is town? Why?

Wait i didn't prepare for test i need help

[Dr Easy Bake]

So, I'm not sure why so many of you are ignoring the issue with Dessew's reads not making any sense, but let's add something new to the case against them:

College's role is a hot topic

College's (now Enchant's) role could be something that might be discussed in a certain PT somewhere, but as far as I can tell, it hasn't been directly discussed in the thread (except by Dessew) for several pages. It was briefly mentioned by DEB and DV in passing, and technically implied as a topic by KK's vote, but that's about it.

Also, I'd like to point out the following interesting bit of strange behaviour:
- Post 145: Dessew claims that anyone who votes for College, DEB, or Flippy, needs an absolutely unassailable case. Fails to question bri and college about their votes on college and DEB respectively. The former is supposedly a scumread, so that can be explained away, but why is the latter not being questioned?
- Post 166: T3 votes DEB. Dessew does not question this.
- Post 171: KK votes Enchant (college). Dessew does not question this.
Where are the demands for unassailable cases?

I like

Yeah this puts it all in perspective. Lack of follow through. Get em gone people

[Tchill13]

Seems like everyone just grabbed popcorn and wait for something to happen.

But nothing happens.

Enchant. Is your role being discussed in a PT somewhere? Just be honest. Nothing bad is going to happen either way.

[Enchant]

Seems like everyone just grabbed popcorn and wait for something to happen.

But nothing happens.

Enchant. Is your role being discussed in a PT somewhere? Just be honest. Nothing bad is going to happen either way.

what

[Tchill13]

Post 216. I was just making a funny. Ofc it could be true.

[Enchant]

Do we mean role or alignment

[redFF]

i like the dessew push from mitillos, easily the most coherent case put forth today

[Tchill13]

Mitillos is easily doing the most Townie things d1.

[Thestatusquo]

Kawaiikame has been prodded

[Malakittens]

i like the dessew push from mitillos, easily the most coherent case put forth today

[Tchill13]

If nobody is going to make waves or other pushes then we should go ahead and end this d1. Get on to the much juicer d2. Thanks.

[Dessew]

College's (now Enchant's) role could be something that might be discussed in a certain PT somewhere, but as far as I can tell, it hasn't been directly discussed in the thread (except by Dessew) for several pages. It was briefly mentioned by DEB and DV in passing, and technically implied as a topic by KK's vote, but that's about it.

Isn't this a quaint thing to say? Mafia can't usually communicate during the day. I know they can sometimes, but not in most cases.
So if that's where your mind takes you and if you're mafia, then you must have daytalk or whatever the mechanic is called.

- Post 166: T3 votes DEB. Dessew does not question this.

There's only so many things I can do at the same time, and I'm pushing you. My top scumread is more important than a "placeholder vote". The vote is bad, though.

- Post 171: KK votes Enchant (college). Dessew does not question this.

College got replaced, and I see no harm in pressuring the replacement. It's unnecessary imo, but I can see a rationale behind it.

[Mitillos]

You'll note that I said "might", because in fact, I don't know if this particular setup has daytalk (although I hear it's become more the norm nowadays than e.g. 5 years ago). Nice try, though.

Still doesn't explain why you didn't ask college about his vote on DEB. Also, what pressure? KK just said "I am [happy to see Enchant]" and voted second.

[Dessew]

A vote is a vote. If anyone made a push on Enchant, that's one extra vote on the wagon, that's pressure.

DEB is guaranteed town, College/Enchant is almost guaranteed town as far as I'm concerned, also a noob. What am I supposed to ask?

You'll note that I said "might", because in fact, I don't know if this particular setup has daytalk

This is a brazen lie. Let's take a look at the original quote:

College's (now Enchant's) role could be something that might be discussed in a certain PT somewhere

Does anyone actually believe that here Mitillos is wondering if there's daytalk in this game? Come on, no, he isn't. He wanted to be snarky, but slipped up in the process.

Then you look at his most recent post, asks about College's vote on DEB. Town doesn't ask this question. I honestly can't see what you guys can, because his posts have been imo null at best, and recently they've been just screaming mafia to me. Town shouldn't even mention College's vote on DEB at this stage of the game (or possibly ever). We should agree on at least this much.

[T3]

Bogus is to say that I do not believe what I am saying. Day 1 intros are sometimes extremely awkward for scum. Feels like T3 seen an easy route to intro then leave for a bit. As opposed to me who was still going to be around to interact.

I kinda get what you're getting at with the whole argument that you're making. Would I necessarily scum read him from his joke vote on the mod? I don't know. He could have simply said hi then announced his V/LA, but it's subjective for his reasoning but he hasn't done anything of note since his return so he really isn't exactly doing himself any favours.

So if I was to take a side in this whole debate, I'd probably be alongside you in this debate because at least with your joke vote on the mod, you've been pressing the interaction, possibly longer than it should have been, but you've not been on this entirely. T3 is kinda trying to brush it off, I feel.

But I wouldn't necessarily say for certain that he is scum for it, though. Or you for this matter.

I’m what way am I trying to brush it off? I engaged with Tchill and asked questions.

You may have asked questions to try and get reasoning from Tchill. But I felt at the time, the questions to me, weren't going to get the reactions or answers that enhance the whole back and forth. It's probably me that is only getting the point that I'm thinking off, but it just felt that you were trying to get away from the debate.

Why would scum!me want to get away from the debate?

[Enchant]

College/Enchant is almost guaranteed town as far as I'm concerned, also a noob.

WHAT

[Enchant]

In Normal games, mod need to specify that daytalk and multitask active somewhere.

I can't see anything, so there's no daytalk and mafia can't multitask.

[Thestatusquo]

In Normal games, mod need to specify that daytalk and multitask active somewhere.

I can't see anything, so there's no daytalk and mafia can't multitask.

This mod has not modded a normal in a decade i don't think.

All PTs in this game are always open by default. I should have announced this in the opening post. Apologies for lack of clarity.

This game also does not have multitasking.

[Dr Easy Bake]

If nobody is going to make waves or other pushes then we should go ahead and end this d1. Get on to the much juicer d2. Thanks.

[Tchill13]

Pack up dessew. Let's get this show on the road.

[Tchill13]

"Waiting for something interesting to happen" YOU should either make that happen... or make our first flip happen. I'd imagine at least one scum is in the inactives/less actives as well.

[Tchill13]

It's also pretty dumb that only one player has tried to game solve at all. Scum who want a free town pass just has to join mili in looking like they care enough to actually attempt to solve things.

[Dessew]

It's also pretty dumb that only one player has tried to game solve at all.

That's not true. Aside from me, there's also DV. and DEB, College/Enchant and Flippy get a free pass from me, although not all of them for the same reason (as it should be obvious).

In Normal games, mod need to specify that daytalk and multitask active somewhere.

I can't see anything, so there's no daytalk and mafia can't multitask.

This means Enchant is confirmed town. I doubt Shea would tolerate mafia noticing a mafia-specific moderation irregularity and then commenting on it before he posts about it.

With daytalk in mind, I think #166 implies T3 is mafia. The vote doesn't make much sense, and I was busy pushing Mitillos, so it could be expected that I wouldn't comment. There's a real chance that it was a setup for Mitillos' legalistic nonsense argument. Notice that then he tried to push the narrative with College's vote on DEB, which is an immediate scumtell, regardless of anything else.

Also, I'd put Tchill as lean-town for now, and I'm less worried about Mala.

[DeasVail]

Then you look at his most recent post, asks about College's vote on DEB. Town doesn't ask this question. I honestly can't see what you guys can, because his posts have been imo null at best

in this situation, where multiple people who you think are town believe that Mitillos is town and are feeling partial to the case on you, why do you become more convinced of Mitillos being scum, rather than question your view of the game?