Micro 1076: Divide and Conquer [game over]

[osuka]

for the first time in the history of ms, we have datisi modding a setup that isn't certifiably unhinged. what a time to be alive

[osuka]

im in the small hood too so this is gonna be fucken spicy

[osuka]

VOTE: firebringer

i flipped a coin and it was heads so this slot is scum. we're starting off with a statistically sound strategy folks

[osuka]

actually never mind i just realized firebringer is vla so VOTE: the bulge. i think statistics still apply

[osuka]

i think we should massclaim to get any prs out of the way. i'm 2-shot ninja ass celtic

[osuka]

I can prescribe a pill that will make your hood huge.

conftown

[osuka]

oh don't forget pagetops are for daddy

[osuka]

VOTE: osuka

explain yourself immediately, nerd

[osuka]

god this is page 2 and i already cant wait to see datisi having a meltdown in the mod pt

[osuka]

VOTE: osuka

explain yourself immediately, nerd

No

why not

[osuka]

VOTE: osuka

explain yourself immediately, nerd

No

why not

because I said so

why did you say so

[osuka]

VOTE: krile

[osuka]

that's a serious vote by the way

fuck rvs, im kicking this fucking game into gear so get ready for some nonsense

[osuka]

we cannot

[osuka]

im usually a big proponent of rvs but thanks for playing along

45 is nai and i will fight anyone who says otherwise. i'm now confident on my page 2 read and i'm inclined to deathtunnel your slot

[osuka]

im usually a big proponent of rvs but thanks for playing along

45 is nai and i will fight anyone who says otherwise. i'm now confident on my page 2 read and i'm inclined to deathtunnel your slot

On a scale of not serious to extremely serious, how serious is this post

it's purple-ish

[osuka]

on a serious note, i'm as confident as you can be on a page 2 read so take that for what you will. i'm not claiming to have a solve but i'm more than happy to keep pushing that slot

[osuka]

not here

[osuka]

but hey it's not my fault i have no love for slots with a scum role pm

[osuka]

VOTE: Doctor Drew

???????

[osuka]

45 is lamist in a scummy way, no attempt to persuade, was vibing rvs seconds ago

how is it lamist

it's not, that slot is just scumfuck

you'll have to do better than that to pocket me though

[osuka]

no you're not

37 and 48 do NOT come from town

[osuka]

ausuka talk to me about krile

[osuka]

ausuka talk to me about krile

I don't really agree with you but I don't think your push is particularly scummy right now

why do you disagree

[osuka]

ausuka talk to me about krile

I don't really agree with you but I don't think your push is particularly scummy right now

are you seriously saying 37 comes from a town mindset? that's setting up the easiest misexec on the fucking planet

and then she tries to discredit that push with an absolutely pathetic 48. how is this town?

[osuka]

ausuka talk to me about krile

I don't really agree with you but I don't think your push is particularly scummy right now

are you seriously saying 37 comes from a town mindset? that's setting up the easiest misexec on the fucking planet

and then she tries to discredit that push with an absolutely pathetic 48. how is this town?

Maybe there's something I'm misunderstanding about 37. It just seems like a shitpost about a movie I've never watched

The three people in the small good have to pick someone they want to eliminate and it has to be unanimous then everyone else joins in.

?

[osuka]

ausuka talk to me about krile

I don't really agree with you but I don't think your push is particularly scummy right now

are you seriously saying 37 comes from a town mindset? that's setting up the easiest misexec on the fucking planet

and then she tries to discredit that push with an absolutely pathetic 48. how is this town?

Maybe there's something I'm misunderstanding about 37. It just seems like a shitpost about a movie I've never watched

Same here(though I have seen the movie)

If you are going to push someone as scum for shit posting you might as well just policy me right now.

Pre Edit: Ok that little bit by itself is sketch, but it seemed wrapped in a jokey shit post

that and this one aren't shitposts, they're shit posts. don't confuse the two.

have you never seen me play? you should know better than to misrep so badly as to imply i have a problem with shitposting

[osuka]

Osuka would you say your read of Krile is?
I can't say I disagree but there is a forced feeling to Krile's posts but I also am noting that Krile seems particularly touchy on certain things like the Stardew Valley thing, which to me seems to be an immediate emotional response.
However, I also think that Osuka going after Krile seems to be his focus so far, I don't think its very alignment indicative unless Osuka has a history of that action.

is my read on krile not obvious at this point?

this is a Bad Post(tm). whole bunch of shit that's either patently obvious or non-information with a hefty side of pretending to ask a question that furthers the gamestate when you already have the answer for it

[osuka]

all of you need to do better, it's really not that hard to extract meaningful information out of a lot of these posts even if half of the post is a joke

[osuka]

dagetop paddy

[osuka]

I think it's pretty obvious who krile is and given my estimation of their mafia ability

i actually have no idea who krile is

[osuka]

thankfully i'm in the small hood so i can do whatever the fuck i want and not actually give a shit about getting shot n1 because shooting anyone in the small hood is probably really stupid

you guys fucked it

[osuka]

I think it's pretty obvious who krile is and given my estimation of their mafia ability

i actually have no idea who krile is

Skill issue

lmao probably

sharing is caring, who do you have in mind?

[osuka]

ausuka talk to me about krile

I don't really agree with you but I don't think your push is particularly scummy right now

are you seriously saying 37 comes from a town mindset? that's setting up the easiest misexec on the fucking planet

and then she tries to discredit that push with an absolutely pathetic 48. how is this town?

Maybe there's something I'm misunderstanding about 37. It just seems like a shitpost about a movie I've never watched

Same here(though I have seen the movie)

If you are going to push someone as scum for shit posting you might as well just policy me right now.

Pre Edit: Ok that little bit by itself is sketch, but it seemed wrapped in a jokey shit post

that and this one aren't shitposts, they're shit posts. don't confuse the two.

have you never seen me play? you should know better than to misrep so badly as to imply i have a problem with shitposting

One, I don't believe I have played with you.

Two, why so defensive? You are turning an obvious jokey post and breaking it down to one part of it, which osuka already pointed out was the setup for the joke, and making it a reason to death tunnel.

And I didn't misrep you at all, I just call em like I see em.

Pre Edit: So you are saying they are just open wolfing then.

oh man so much garbage so many choices, who to push, who to execute

i'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to anyone who thinks i might have pushed that slot because of a shitpost but not after 94. your push comes from one of two things: either you're not reading or you're misrepping. in either case, that usually means the push is dogshit

[osuka]

I think it's pretty obvious who krile is and given my estimation of their mafia ability

i actually have no idea who krile is

Skill issue

lmao probably

sharing is caring, who do you have in mind?

It's not actually a skill issue I just wanted to get back at you for your 'meaningful information' line

Not super comfortable outing who I think it is rn but she is, like, an experienced enough mafia player that I think there is a very small chance what you are saying is correct

snarky, i like it

that's not as stupid of a post as you might think though. it's a strategy that actually

sounds

reasonable by virtue of being adjacent to another that actually

is

viable (that is, to choose the execution in the small hood)

[osuka]

someone in here that has played with drew before - is this his usual tone? his push is complete trash but i'm willing to forgive that for the time being if that's like a thing

[osuka]

Osuka came down hard on my post which seems to indicate a pattern of aggressiveness which I kinda doubt scum Osuka would do perticulary seeing as it seems consistent.

bad take

[osuka]

i'm not defensive, i'm annoyed. this is exactly the sort of shit i'm talking about right:

please elaborate on my mega death tunnel of you

like what the fuck? why the drama? i thought i had a problem with hyperbole but clearly you've got it worse than i do

[osuka]

I am just asking you questions, I don't quite get your reasoning for thinking Krile is scum. You clarified a bit what it is about 37 you didn't like, so I am trying to understand what exactly you don't like.

read the thread and you'll find out. i've pointed it out at least twice by now. if you have any specific questions i'll answer them, unless ive already answered them in which case You Should Read The Thread!

[osuka]

that's not as stupid of a post as you might think though. it's a strategy that actually sounds
reasonable by virtue of being adjacent to another that actually is
viable (that is, to choose the execution in the small hood)

This strategy sounds kind of bad and also not fun to play. Is there something I am misunderstanding about it

if you get the hood themselves to decide on an execution, then with 1/3 scum all you need to do is convince ONE player that the vote should go to someone other than you. that could be trivial depending on who's in there, and you can do that in a very noncommittal way and frame that as caution

it's low risk, high reward

[osuka]

did that seriously not jump out at anyone else?

[osuka]

you also have to remember that unless someone starts a riot over that suggestion, there's a nonzero chance it happens - especially given that if one of the hood townies refuses to play along, that changes nothing because you'll still only have to convince the third player to vote out the noncompliant nuisance

[osuka]

Are you meaning to say that scum you could pull that off?
I would expect there to be some difficulty in doing it to your own scumpartner if it is Krile so I don't feel that is a combo that works very well.

is this @me?

[osuka]

Are you meaning to say that scum you could pull that off?
I would expect there to be some difficulty in doing it to your own scumpartner if it is Krile so I don't feel that is a combo that works very well.

is this @me?

yes
Really should have put the quote there for context its post 114

can you requote? i'm not sure what context it's in anymore, sorry

[osuka]

i'm not defensive, i'm annoyed. this is exactly the sort of shit i'm talking about right:

please elaborate on my mega death tunnel of you

like what the fuck? why the drama? i thought i had a problem with hyperbole but clearly you've got it worse than i do

Ahem, maybe I need to speak louder.

IN WHAT WAY AM I PUSHING YOU. I ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT IF YOU THINK KRILE IS OPEN WOLFING AND IF THAT IS WHY YOU ARE SCUM READING THEM.

And somehow that means I am pushing you?

Huh?

Pre Edit: Yes I read your posts, screaming that the post is not from town and just quoting a piece of said post, is not explaining your scum read.

And I have asked the one question multiple times, in this post even lol, do you think they are open wolfing?

you don't need to speak louder, you just need to start making some sense.

If you are going to push someone as scum for shit posting you might as well just policy me right now.

Two, why so defensive? You are turning an obvious jokey post and breaking it down to one part of it, which osuka already pointed out was the setup for the joke, and making it a reason to death tunnel.

And I didn't misrep you at all, I just call em like I see em.

the classic baseless push setup into "why are you defensive" conversion into "it wasn't a push!"

[osuka]

the only real question you asked me was "what don't you like", which at this point should be patently obvious

[osuka]

Osuka came down hard on my post which seems to indicate a pattern of aggressiveness which I kinda doubt scum Osuka would do perticulary seeing as it seems consistent.

bad take

Are you meaning to say that scum you could pull that off?
I would expect there to be some difficulty in doing it to your own scumpartner if it is Krile so I don't feel that is a combo that works very well.
Alright with quote now.

oh that makes a lot more sense now

yes i can be just as aggro as scum and i usually am because the aggressiveness isn't theater, it's a combination of frustration and annoyance. the theater is harder to pull off but i've done it successfully in the past, though you do have a point in that there's an associative read here

[osuka]

My main account is Isis btw

no shit huh

[osuka]

Maybe you are just on a higher wavelength my puny brain cannot comprehend

strong urge to sig this post-game

[osuka]

statistics aren't even real anyway

[osuka]

did you know 84% of statistics are just made up on the spot

[osuka]

did you know 84% of statistics are just made up on the spot

did you know that 69% of the statistics are made up on the spot?

did you know up to 72% of statistics you read online are completely made up

Did you know over 73% of statistics you see on the internet are made up?

but you know, it's not like that's ever happened before in a game of mafia

[osuka]

Osuka, do you think Krile is open wolfing in 37.

this is a dumb question. how do you define open wolfing?

[osuka]

i am, i'm asking how YOU define it

[osuka]

i'm not answering a question that is simultaneously stupid and unclear.

it's completely pointless to talk about people "open wolfing" because "open" is hardly ever a thing in a game of mafia. either you realize what's happening or you don't, but anyone that pretends like they _know_ what anyone else is doing beyond doubt is completely full of shit, excluding cases where you both know each other's alignment and thus have nothing to hide. i _think_ that post is overwhelmingly likely to come from scum rather than town and that's as far as i'm going because that's as far as i _can_ go without making shit up or exaggerating the confidence of the read

if you have anything of substance to add to the game, i highly suggest mentioning it because the post count is already in the 3 digits

[osuka]

does that answer your question or would you like to keep the shitshow going

[osuka]

although remember: all pagetops are for daddy

[osuka]

i honestly thought it was a rhetorical question because it's a stupid question to demand an answer for. do you realize how loaded of a question that is? as soon as you pressed me for it, there was no winning outcome for me because either i admit that i think they were "open wolfing", in which case i have them as confscum (which i couldn't possibly have), or i don't, in which case you can point out i'm effectively admitting to have a low confidence push

[osuka]

the question is stupid, your push is stupid, and the fact that you took 148 to answer that question as "no" just furthers my point because that was NOT the intention of that post

[osuka]

i'll be here if you have anything meaningful to say (still applies), but remember it'll be significantly easier to talk if you dislodge your head from your ass first

[osuka]

like coming from someone that is clearly not stupid this is very very frustrating to deal with

[osuka]

in hindsight that came off harsher than i meant to, sorry about that

the essence of it still stands. dumb question, dumb push, zero substance but you know whatever something something i guess that's not as bad as i pictured it

[osuka]

here's why the question is dumb: if "i think" they're "open wolfing" then i think they're scum, which i explained i do. if i don't "think" so, then why am i pushing that? the question is stupid for several reasons:
- it's effectively unanswerable by virtue of being unclear (what are you asking? how confident i am?)
- it's not going to gain any information i hadn't already put out (i.e., whether i think they're scum)
- it's loosely defined (what constitutes "open wolfing" depends on who you ask)

can we stop talking about "open wolfing"? this is fucking stupid. if you want me to elaborate, and i've already pointed this out, ask a specific question

[osuka]

but of course that's the only reason you have a "case" on me anyway so if you were looking for a push and willing to settle for the absolute bare-ass minimum, then good job

otherwise i'll just keep pointing out that the entire reason you're trying to push me is a refusal to answer an objectively bad question and the discussion surrounding the definition of said question

[osuka]

And that lead to you doing everything under the sun to discredit my question, my play, and my reputation on this site as a whole. Instead of answering the question and elaborate on your read.

i already did elaborate on the push. read the fucking thread

[osuka]

How possibly can this be from a town mindset?

dO yOu ThInK I'm OpEn WoLfINg??

[osuka]

osuka take like three chill pills and come back to this game

let's change the pace of the game then because i surely need intelligent content to distract me from the last couple pages i had to go through

what's your take on this pissing contest?

[osuka]

if you wanted intelligent content idk why you signed up for a mafia game tho

good point

[osuka]

osuka take like three chill pills and come back to this game

let's change the pace of the game then because i surely need intelligent content to distract me from the last couple pages i had to go through

what's your take on this pissing contest?

Drew town, you annoying

how's drew town? he's like solidly null since he hasn't actually really done anything

[osuka]

osuka take like three chill pills and come back to this game

let's change the pace of the game then because i surely need intelligent content to distract me from the last couple pages i had to go through

what's your take on this pissing contest?

Drew town, you annoying

how's drew town? he's like solidly null since he hasn't actually really done anything

it's a vibe. if i had actual deep brain thoughts i would share them but my brain is a fog right now.

i think scum drew would aruge with u differently but i can't put my thoughts together how it would be different.

fair but i'll probably ask you to elaborate on this later

[osuka]

You have kept up with the insults of my play and insults of my intelligence. I am trying to give you benefit of the doubt that this is just an aggressive play style, which is more or less fine, but you are starting to cross a line.

the only thing i've said about your intelligence was this:

like coming from someone that is clearly not stupid this is very very frustrating to deal with

the content is garbage but i don't think you're stupid. you're posting stupid things but you're clearly not an idiot, hence the frustration.

i attack the play, not the player, and so far your content has been pretty shit though i take none of this personally and have nothing against you

[osuka]

if you want me to post nicer things, all you need is to do better than this

[osuka]

the content you've posted so far is piss poor and i'm not going to sugarcoat the fact that that's my opinion of it, but i will NOT attack anyone personally and if i offended you i'm genuinely sorry. i'm not sorry for what i've said about your _play_ so far, but if you took any of that as an insult to your intelligence as opposed to a statement about how you've played this so far then that's not what i meant. please don't take it that way

[osuka]

spicy as in likely or as in unlikely?

[osuka]

osuka im at pg5 and i dont get why ur so frudtrated why are you so mad

dumb posts annoy me

[osuka]

if i ever actually do get mad, like properly tilted, i step away from the game because i don't want to lash out at anyone and attack people instead of their play

[osuka]

Ok, emotions have dissipated

I mentioned a bit of a tinfoily theory earlier, I have stewed on it a bit and have really thought it could be a thing. I am not locked into it 100%, but I will propose it to the class to discuss.

I believe osuka/krile was setup as scum theater. Not sure if krile's Minority Report post was on purpose, but was the set up nonetheless.

Osuka had umbridge with post 37 by krile, which seemed like a jokey post. When questioned on what was so bad about it, well you all saw what happened. Lots of OMGUS and misdirection. I do give a bit of pause because I don't know if osuka is normally like this, and anyone with experience with them can fill me in on that.

Before osuka and I had it out, Krile voted me in a weird spot.....which osuka called out actually. And Krile said it was RVS, which Ausaka wanted a bit of an explanation about.

It was right here I wanted a bit more explanation for the scum read on Krile, and when osuka lost their shit. They got heat they didn't expect, and lashed out as a defense in hopes that Ausaka and I would stand down.

Went balls deep making me look like the worst player ever and forgetting about Krile, and Krile just kinda disappeared.

Got so defensive from a simple question, went out of their way to make me look bad.

Also asked everyone if I act like I do normally, yet also hinted that they know my game lol. Don't think I didn't catch that slip you amateur.

I will post the receipts when I need to.

Osuka and Krile are scum together.

do i have to point out why this is ass-backwards?

[osuka]

actually fuck it i'll do it anyways

let's assume scumteam is me and krile. what the fuck kind of theater is that? why am i the one screaming and she just fucks off and doesn't post anything? that barely qualifies as theater at all. the only reason we got in the shouting match we were in was your "open wolfing" question, which i'm not going to go into again, but is important here - how could we have planned that? how do we account for a townie asking a question that so far most have agreed is bad, then going on with a push that so far most people have agreed is bad?

i should point out that i can "handle heat" just fine and that i am not at all threatened by that sort of shit. i can and have redirected and defended against much worse than that as scum. side note: how does ausuka come into the story here? she was barely involved

[osuka]

Also asked everyone if I act like I do normally, yet also hinted that they know my game lol. Don't think I didn't catch that slip you amateur.

i'm calling your bluff right now. where did i hint i knew your game?

[osuka]

because to be unequivocally clear: i fucking do not

[osuka]

oh my god what a snipe

[osuka]

had osuka backed off of krile upon learning their main thatd be +town but he didn't really just got distracted by the doctor

explain? ive never played with her

[osuka]

kind of leaning town on bulge given him wanting to elim in three hood

that's all it takes for a townlean?

[osuka]

I do think they were flailing and using every trick in the book to not answer a simple question

last thing for now: this is a Big Ol' Misrep (tm) because as previously established, then reiterated, then explained, then reexplained, then restated, that was neither a simple nor a good question at all though i don't think i'd go as far as to call it loaded

[osuka]

boy wouldn't it be great if we all heard something from ausuka, or krile, or greeting, or perhaps patchwork

[osuka]

at work so i can't elaborate too much for now (ill be back in a few hours) but i actually really don't think walter is scummy at first glance. his push is kinda trash and he's not making a whole lot of sense so far but i don't think that's necessarily coming from scum

[osuka]

pagetop daddy

[osuka]

ok this game is dangerously close to stalling so i'll do something i don't usually do and i'll write a big post with many words in it

stand by

[osuka]

since tensions have been high and i want everyone to have fun, i'm making different groups of players and hopefully everyone will have at least one friend they can relate to in this game. here we go:

- THE LOST -

doc drew
walter

this is what google tells me about the series "lost":

The survivors of Oceanic Flight 815 were 1,000 miles off course when they crashed on a lush, mysterious island. Each person possesses a shocking secret, but they've got nothing on the island itself, which harbors a monstrous security system, a series of underground bunkers and a group of violent survivalists hidden in the shadows.

much like in the series "lost", these two survivors of night 0 were 1000 miles off course when this page started and they each possess a shocking secret (their role pms) but they've got nothing on the game itself, which harbors a monstrous lack of intelligible content, a series of shit posts (again, not to be confused with shitposts), and a group of violent scum hidden in the shadows. in other words, they're really trying, but so far they've made little to no sense and have the game pretty much ass-backwards - this doesn't necessarily mean they're scum, though, because i don't think either of these slots is much more likely than random to flip red.

- THE STRANGE -

patchwork
ausuka

these players are what i call the strange - have made some sense but i can't make sense of them. they're not necessarily strange on a personal level, but i'm struggling to make out any meaningful alignment inferences from what they've said and done so far. unlike the lost, i can't say that i have any sort of confident or semi-confident read here - i just don't really know what's going on with these slots yet.

- THE SHADOWY -

krile
firebringer

these slots are like the monster that lives under my bed: poking me in the all the wrong ways and giving off very weird vibes. there is little light that goes under my bed and everyone knows scum lives in the shadows, so naturally this group is called the shadowy. for now let's just ignore the fact that these players mechanically cannot both be red flips and move forward with life.

- THE MOTIONLESS -

the bulge
greeting

as the great poet and screenwriter Isaac Newton famously said in a tiktok video shortly after getting hit in the head by a falling piano dropped by wile e. coyote:

every player perseveres in their state of rest, or of uniform motion in a right line towards the bottom of the pit, unless they are compelled to change that state by forces impressed thereon

these players are completely idle and moving absolutely nowhere either because they're okay with the game not moving forward or simply because they don't quite give a fuck. whether or not they're still alive should be investigated.

[osuka]

oh you're right i thought you were in the other hood

[osuka]

ignore that i said to ignore that you can't both be scum

[osuka]

also

[osuka]

pagetop daddy

[osuka]

i should point out that i am not the pagetop daddy, but instead that i mean that all pagetops are for daddy (who is not me)

i don't even remember how this started but i'm pretty sure it's been a thing in every datisi game i've ever played and i just can't let it go anymore

[osuka]

please tell me that's not the entirety of your response to that post

[osuka]

that's a lot of words

[osuka]

what the fuck else am i supposed to say? nobody is giving me anything i can respond to at all and ive had a whole fist fight with drew that nobody even cares to comment on at all

this game isn't going anywhere and it is NOT because of anything other than the fact that apparently content needs to be pried off of most of this player list

[osuka]

is the lost supposed to be ur townreads

no. reread the post until you understand what it's saying

[osuka]

and like i still think walter is a wolf. i'm going to keep questioning him if i can but people were mostly just shutting that down

can you elaborate a little? my immediate impression disagrees with this but i'm intrigued and i wanna know what's behind this read

[osuka]

i say we all post reviews of our favorite anime for readable content.
The one with the worst takes (most likely ausuka) are def scum and should be eliminated.

on a serious note if we want engagement in this game, we need more chime in for them the less active players like greeting and bulge.

Hot take.

I don't like anime one bit.

Come at me bro.

welcome to the townbloc

[osuka]

Here's my idea
The three people in the small good have to pick someone they want to eliminate and it has to be unanimous then everyone else joins in.
If one person in the small hold refuses then there will be a minority report and a handsome male lead will escape the police in the dystopian society and prove the minority report exists to vindicate himself but the twist is there wasn't a minority report after all: the search for a minority report itself will lead him to a murderous moment

Why did people discuss the game-relevance of this? Obvious shitpost.

did you miss the obvious discussion about how that was a semi-serious suggestion even if the rest of the post was a shitpost? please read

[osuka]

the content is garbage but i don't think you're stupid. you're posting stupid things but you're clearly not an idiot, hence the frustration.

How would you describe the quality of your own content? What I've gathered from re-reading the thread is that

Doctor Drew

made more effort into building an actual case.

effort != quality

in case it wasn't already patently evident, i wasn't trying to build a case on drew because i don't see anything in that slot that's super scummy yet. the push was badly misguided but i'm not sure there's any ill intent

[osuka]

i liked that post from osuka the one about their impressions
but i had no idea what correlated to what like which is townread which is scumread

reread the post until you understand what it's saying

[osuka]

what a snipe

[osuka]

LETS GOOOOOO massive L for osuka

side note: see viewtopic.php?t=84245 and viewtopic.php?t=86324 for what i think is the origin of pagetop daddy

[osuka]

Osuka is there a specific post of fire bringer's that's scummy to you?

217 reads weird because it's simultaneously calling out what they think is a pretty significant misrep but goes straight back into being way too friendly and

I guess thats what ur saying?

okay well i think we are arguing over how to play rather than reads here.

that's a slot that has committed to absolutely fuck all and have almost exclusively posted IIOA with the notable exception of 184

[osuka]

i dont like the krile votes and feel justified in knowing it is 50% scum led

could certainly do patchwork, their drew/osuka thing is textbook forced content. i do sometimes see newer players feeling compelled to share thoughts when they have none, and oftentimes this results in awful or even contradictory logic like we're seeing here. but i think odds are this is just newbiescum.

apocalyptically bad take

who are you saying it's noobscum between me/drew? because he's got a 4-yo join date and i'm pretty sure i know how to play scum thank you very much

[osuka]

had osuka backed off of krile upon learning their main thatd be +town but he didn't really just got distracted by the doctor

explain? ive never played with her

realize i missed this. ig it was just a little scenario in my head as i was reading, tho your reaction had me believe you were familiar w isis

i'm familiar with isis but not in a game setting. i know who she is but i've never played with her, if that makes sense

[osuka]

in essence i want to go for the easy scum but focus on everyone else first. end the day on 3p hood cause 50/50 odds is just too good

realizing that this may involve preflip associatives based on how the day has been going. so eh idk maybe we just try for most scummy today?

explain?

[osuka]

I think this game can have some kinda 51/49 solve figuring out who is whipped cream posting because they're scum and who is just, doing it anyway. My current stance is still that patch knows whose the scum is and they're stiff for that reason. Walter and drew less worrisome although I go back and forth on some of their posts.

im not that smart i fuckign wish :sob: my only theory rn is osuka/drew but that's bc tinfoiling and i wouldn't push either of them until i actually case them

what's stopping you from casing us?

[osuka]

i liked that post from osuka the one about their impressions
but i had no idea what correlated to what like which is townread which is scumread

reread the post until you understand what it's saying

which post

OH that list
goldfish brain

i take it you figured it out? it was the post you're talking about

[osuka]

i mean idk if im right but how i read it is you're not finding alignment but rather grouping players together on how they feel to you and based on play(???)

yes and no

i'm feeling unusually nice this morning so ill just quote myself instead of telling you to read again:

this doesn't necessarily mean they're scum, though, because i don't think either of these slots is much more likely than random to flip red.

[osuka]

my thoughts from the drive thru line are: drew clearly doesn’t know what a slip is and is reading way too much into things that don’t mean what he thinks they mean

[osuka]

im violently hungover but im mostly done actively maintaining my bodily functions and nursing myself back to relative health

gonna catch up now

[osuka]

my thoughts from the drive thru line are: drew clearly doesn’t know what a slip is and is reading way too much into things that don’t mean what he thinks they mean

Scum usually doesn't know when they slip.

Also ^Patch reminds me a bit of scum Patch, a bit too cocky.

it's true that nobody slips on purpose (that's what i think you're saying), but just because you slipped doesn't mean you can't realize after the fact, especially if someone is pointing it out.

i didn't slip and i wasn't suggesting that i knew how your play is. i quite explicitly said so several times so if you're still hung up on that then i have nothing else to say to you about that other than

dislodge your head from your ass

[osuka]

the content is garbage but i don't think you're stupid. you're posting stupid things but you're clearly not an idiot, hence the frustration.

How would you describe the quality of your own content? What I've gathered from re-reading the thread is that

Doctor Drew

made more effort into building an actual case.

effort != quality

in case it wasn't already patently evident, i wasn't trying to build a case on drew because i don't see anything in that slot that's super scummy yet. the push was badly misguided but i'm not sure there's any ill intent

Who are your biggest scumreads at the moment?

- THE SHADOWY -

krile
firebringer


these slots are like the monster that lives under my bed: poking me in the all the wrong ways and giving off very weird vibes. there is little light that goes under my bed and everyone knows scum lives in the shadows, so naturally this group is called the shadowy.

read the fucking thread

[osuka]

like nothing changed about my thoughts on patchwork's slot w that string of posts, just made me change my mind about my vote

if your thoughts on the slot didn't change, then what did? what pushed you over the edge to vote there?

[osuka]

heyyy guys do you think i communicated what i meant not well enough to the point where bulge misunderstood it or is bulge scum for trying to put words in my mouth

either you're trying to rescind an earlier rant about not having read the thread or whatever, or this conversation is the result of abject communication failure on your end. i can't tell which one it is yet but i'm sure as all fuck not taking your word at face value about it

[osuka]

I am not reading any of my predecessor's posts

you're not missing out

[osuka]

i sure hope gimli is town because if he's not then i'm completely fucked

[osuka]

the content is garbage but i don't think you're stupid. you're posting stupid things but you're clearly not an idiot, hence the frustration.

How would you describe the quality of your own content? What I've gathered from re-reading the thread is that

Doctor Drew

made more effort into building an actual case.

effort != quality

in case it wasn't already patently evident, i wasn't trying to build a case on drew because i don't see anything in that slot that's super scummy yet. the push was badly misguided but i'm not sure there's any ill intent

Who are your biggest scumreads at the moment?

Who are your biggest scumreads at the moment?

are you echoing the question to me or is that meant for greeting

[osuka]

ok thanks for not making me quote myself again

carry on

[osuka]

in essence i want to go for the easy scum but focus on everyone else first. end the day on 3p hood cause 50/50 odds is just too good

realizing that this may involve preflip associatives based on how the day has been going. so eh idk maybe we just try for most scummy today?

explain?

there hasnt been much effort from the the thread to sort you or firebringer compared to members of the large hood, so if we spend all day deciding who is scum in big hood and then switch to vote for small hood for the mechanical advantage, i see that leading to a lot of preassoc speculation based on what has been the bulk of the day's discussion

VOTE: the bulge

of course, the scum in the small hood dont wanna flip the small hood. of course, they'll try to argue for something else, as long as there's the opportunity for it. I think this is another tell that bulge recognises that its clearly beneficial for town to flip in small hood, so he acts around accordingly and doesn't show his hand, but he is always hinting at downplaying town's advantage here.

from his position this makes no sense even. he needs to be brutally sorting between FBer and osuka and he is just like arguing 'since we're not gonna talk about small hood lets just flip big hood'. I don't think that's the townie in the hood atm.

this is odd. of all the things in that iso, this is the one that sounds wrong to you?

like i don't necessarily disagree with your take but 396 looks completely fine to me and it does bring up a good point about post-flip assoc reads on d2. what's wrong with it?

[osuka]

heyyy guys do you think i communicated what i meant not well enough to the point where bulge misunderstood it or is bulge scum for trying to put words in my mouth

either you're trying to rescind an earlier rant about not having read the thread or whatever, or this conversation is the result of abject communication failure on your end. i can't tell which one it is yet but i'm sure as all fuck not taking your word at face value about it

what earlier rant r you even talking about lol
also refer to what i said earlier about autism, i was asking to clarify before i voted because i didn’t want to vote bulge for something that was my bad

no yeah don't get me wrong i will NEVER give anyone shit for autism or any other sort of neurodivergence or mental health problem, that's just fucked. i'm an asshole sometimes but i'm not THAT much of an asshole

i will give you shit for having said you didn't read it and then contradicting yourself a couple of pages later though

[osuka]

like it really does feel to me like misdirection is just as likely as miscommunication here and truthfully there's no way to know for sure

[osuka]

i just haven;t been paying attention to the spat drew and osuka were havbing

though now that ive gone through the iso again with a fresh perspective i think i can give you the benefit of the doubt

[osuka]

fuck it whatever i don't even think that's the real problem with your iso anyway

[osuka]

fuck it whatever i don't even think that's the real problem with your iso anyway

What is it then

:roll:

VOTE: Patch

?????????

[osuka]

pagetoppy dad

[osuka]

it’s even weirder she likes it considering just how shit that post is

[osuka]

if you fucks hammer before i get off work and have a chance to catch up, im gonna flip shit

[osuka]

i'm slowly realizing that being put in the small hood means i'm pretty fucked

[osuka]

it’s even weirder she likes it considering just how shit that post is

I think it's green shit, but there is a soft correlation between shit and red so this is more reasonable

i had an iced matcha the other day on an empty stomach and had vibrant green shits that evening, truly a confounding experience

matcha is kinda gross

[osuka]

UNVOTE: because it's objectively shit play to hammer while the inactive players haven't given their takes

Why vote later when you could have just kept your vote on them?

That is objectively a shit play.

VOTE: Bulge

Here, righted your wrong.

that's not a shit play, yours is. why would you give someone the opportunity to hammer halfway through d1 when a good third of the player list hasn't had a chance to catch up?

[osuka]

Gimli is townie so it makes sense gimli stuff is getting traction but it's kinda air vibes and hype

elaborate?

[osuka]

oh what the fuck that really was a hammer

[osuka]

see this is the shit i'm talking about. this is fucking dumb

[osuka]

i guess if bulge flips red then i just fucking die tonight huh

[osuka]

i guess if bulge flips red then i just fucking die tonight huh

Best case scenario here.

i’m just really worried because if i die here then that means nobody might be willing to point out the absolutely senseless shit youve been saying all game

[osuka]

it’s looking pretty grim

[osuka]

i guess if bulge flips red then i just fucking die tonight huh

Best case scenario here.

i’m just really worried because if i die here then that means nobody might be willing to point out the absolutely senseless shit youve been saying all game

*you've

Well they do say that assholes never really die......so you have that going for you.

that is true i have that going for me

then again you're the one correcting the lack of an apostrophe as if i could be bothered to type an apostrophe every time i typed a contraction _and_ i gave a fuck, so who's really the asshole here

[osuka]

Oops all page top daddy

all your sins are forgiven

[osuka]

usually the longer the better in my experience

[osuka]

VOTE: firebringer

[osuka]

survey says no

[osuka]

ok so i have to babysit a fire at work but i'm waiting on other people to do things. what this means is that i'm fucking off a little earlier than usual but i might have to go back to it without any sort of real notice, so if i disappear that's why. shouldn't be too long so don't lose your shit if i have to step away

[osuka]

in the meantime, i'm gonna take firebringers iso apart and look for any associatives. i'm not moving my vote unless there's a literal scumclaim in the big hood

[osuka]

my immediate first thought is that firebringer might be trying to pocket drew with 167. doesn't feel to me like that's a super likely scumteam

[osuka]

184-188 distancing?

[osuka]

I still think osuka/drew is a viable pairing but I feel like I'm more confident on scum firebringer. I'll have to look tthrough ISOs when I find the time.

Explain why u think day 1 osuka/drew was a S/S?

their argument felt pointless, really stupid, and like something fabricated to separate them
so imo it's either t/t or w/w, no t/w

this is a dumb take

why would t/t fabricate theater like that?

[osuka]

Logic really says fire here

VOTE: Firebringer

elaborate

[osuka]

Did someone ask me anything else

does your role pm say youre scum

[osuka]

do you smell that, doc

[osuka]

it reeks of caught scum

[osuka]

holy shit it’s e-1

UNVOTE:

[osuka]

before we destroy firebringer we need to talk about big good associatives. i gotta run some errands but i’m gonna respond to greetings posts when i’m back

[osuka]

i’m fucking blitzed

i’m going to initiate drunkposting unless someone stops me in the next 30 seconds

[osuka]

Osuka why did you like, not really post about the bulge wagon and your read on him?

i didn’t have a good read on the bulge or fb at the time. they were both pretty hard to read

[osuka]

i'm slowly realizing that being put in the small hood means i'm pretty fucked

Oh also can you explain the mentality behind this post please

so here’s the scenarios right

- i get executed d1. this is bad because i die d1.
- town in the small hood gets executed d1. this is bad because there’s a 50% chance i die d2.
- scum in the small hood gets executed d1. this is bad because there’s a 50% chance i get nkd n2.

make sense?

[osuka]

i'm slowly realizing that being put in the small hood means i'm pretty fucked

Oh also can you explain the mentality behind this post please

so here’s the scenarios right

- i get executed d1. this is bad because i die d1.
- town in the small hood gets executed d1. this is bad because there’s a 50% chance i die d2.
- scum in the small hood gets executed d1. this is bad because there’s a 50% chance i get nkd n2.

make sense?

expanding on this now that i can actually see letters clearly and read semi-competently

now that there's a green flip on the bulge, there is no way i make it to day 3. either i get executed today or firebringer does, but then i'm the nk target because i'm conftown. either way i'm fucked

so what i was getting at is that if you're in the small hood, there is pretty much no chance of you making it to day 3 at all regardless of the order of executions

[osuka]

in other news, doc just made it to the very top of the townlist because there is ZERO reason for him to bus fb this early and this hard, especially given our spat d1 which he could easily hide behind if i get executed

[osuka]

patchwork gets townie points from page 28 for distinctly indistinct reasons

[osuka]

Yeah, I’m still here. Thinking of the possible associatives as well.

it's funny because you're one of them

[osuka]

I think fire is scum but I want to change my mind

if ur expecting me to change ur mind. ur going to be extremely disappointed

scumclaim

[osuka]

i'm slowly realizing that being put in the small hood means i'm pretty fucked

Oh also can you explain the mentality behind this post please

so here’s the scenarios right

- i get executed d1. this is bad because i die d1.
- town in the small hood gets executed d1. this is bad because there’s a 50% chance i die d2.
- scum in the small hood gets executed d1. this is bad because there’s a 50% chance i get nkd n2.

make sense?

Mm I guess I'm trying to ask why you view getting nightkilled as a negative outcome?

this is a dumb question. when is it ever a positive outcome, especially in a game with no PRs?

[osuka]

Osuka why did you like, not really post about the bulge wagon and your read on him?

i didn’t have a good read on the bulge or fb at the time. they were both pretty hard to read

Yeah uh sorry to ask so many questions but did them both having a 50/50 chance of being scum not, like, influence or affect your view of the situation in any way?

how can it affect my reads on them relative to each other? you yourself said they have an exactly equal chance to be scum, so all things considered that doesn’t factor into my reads within a hood until there’s a flip

[osuka]

garbage push with bottom of the barrel reasoning

let me know if you have anything of substance for me to respond to

[osuka]

i don't understand the reasoning behind 731

aside from mechanically guaranteed alignments, like firebringer being scum because my role pm says vt, the only (alive) slot whose alignment you actually know for a fact if you're town is yourself. not dying goes towards wincon, no?

[osuka]

hero solve is ausuka/fb

[osuka]

Osuka didn’t even in attempting to sort in small hood yesterday.

Like if u look back osuka was mostly driving at the big hood and ignored trying to sort our hood and basically fence sitted on it completely.

kind of leaning town on bulge given him wanting to elim in three hood. but i also want to hunt more in the bigger hood instead of focusing on people in my hood if that makes sense.

in essence i want to go for the easy scum but focus on everyone else first. end the day on 3p hood cause 50/50 odds is just too good

good lord, talk about projection

[osuka]

Didn’t strongly call either me or bulge town or scum and in fact seemed to want to derail yesterday because didn’t want a 1v1 today.

this is an outright lie

[osuka]

I mean even if I flip osuka dies tomorrow so like why would he want to flip bulge yesterday. It immediately puts more focus on him.

and this makes negative sense. i literally just pointed out that regardless of who gets flipped when, nobody in the small hood makes it past d3 anyway

[osuka]

i don't understand the reasoning behind 731

aside from mechanically guaranteed alignments, like firebringer being scum because my role pm says vt, the only (alive) slot whose alignment you actually know for a fact if you're town is yourself. not dying goes towards wincon, no?

Your "small hood woe is me" bit included both scenarios where you lim the scum in small hood and get NKed and the scenario where you get mislimmed. Being upset about the possibility of getting mislimmed is normal but "it's bad when scum NK me and I know I'm town and we lose a townie" is silly

well that was just from a perspective of "i want to play the game". regardless of what happens you just die fairly quickly if you're in the small hood anyway so i can't really help any of it

[osuka]

you have to remember that this is a game of imperfect information so regardless of your alignment, at the top of your list of goals should be to stay alive barring few instances where you're town trading 1:1 with scum - which is NOT the case here since they get an extra nk if i get voted out today

[osuka]

im gonna ignore firebringer until the posts start to make any sort of sense and/or stop being gross, patent misrepresentation

[osuka]

ausuka is an associative read based off of your role pm

[osuka]

no she is not

[osuka]

she's yours

[osuka]

i had patchwork as null-ish until they decided to vote you very early on and for no real reason other than your reaction to drew's vote (which, if that's all you have, isn't a very strong push to begin with)

there's no reason for patchwork to hardbus you this early today

[osuka]

i would also point out that patchwork couldve just as well voted me instead and that would’ve looked like a fairly natural read progression given how they interacted with me d1

[osuka]

fair

there's not a whole lot of thought happening in this game at all, let alone any progression

[osuka]

oh isis you cant read me at all can you

[osuka]

cant blame you though

[osuka]

all in all i think you make a fair point but that's a fairly reachy push. the whole d1 not interacting with the small hood applies to fb, too - including their post encouraging other people to interact with the big hood instead

[osuka]

feels like not voting on firebringer right now is against my wincon so VOTE: firebringer

[osuka]

i stand by the hero solve of firebringer/ausuka

[osuka]

Yeah, I’m still here. Thinking of the possible associatives as well.

it's funny because you're one of them

Have you responded to my question yet?

i thought i had but apparently not

i went for krile over firebringer because firebringer had done absolutely fucking nothing at that point in time. krile's post ticked me off in a very very wrong way and it was basically all there was to go off of since the game was still basically in rvs, so if absolutely nothing else i figured that would at least advance the game state to a point where there was actual content to be talked about

firebringer did basically fuck all during d1 so there was STILL not a whole lot to go off of when bulge flipped

[osuka]

im gonna ignore firebringer until the posts start to make any sort of sense and/or stop being gross, patent misrepresentation

If you’re not scum, why would you want to interact with

Firebringer

in the first place? It’s literally either you or him.

this is fair but if you flip the question it still applies: if i'm scum, why would i want to interact with firebringer?

the reason is the same regardless of alignment: if someone is pushing you with horseshit of that caliber, and you don't point it out for what it is, it's usually your ass

[osuka]

and since as previously established, dying goes against wincon, i'm pointing out the fact that firebringer managed to get a train together on me with nothing but fucking air and a hefty side of projection

[osuka]

kind of impressive but also really sad

[osuka]

you know what's not sad though? this pagetop for daddy

[osuka]

i thought i had but apparently not

i went for krile over firebringer because firebringer had done absolutely fucking nothing at that point in time. krile's post ticked me off in a very very wrong way and it was basically all there was to go off of since the game was still basically in rvs, so if absolutely nothing else i figured that would at least advance the game state to a point where there was actual content to be talked about

firebringer did basically fuck all during d1 so there was STILL not a whole lot to go off of when bulge flipped

Eliminating someone from the smaller hood was the only correct way to go on Day 1. I feel like doing anything other than that, in this particular setup, only served as a distraction and was illogical from a town point of view. Especially since

Firebringer

, who was in your suspect list,

is

part of the smaller hood.

Why do you think the other scum is

Ausuka

?

when did i ever say we should exec outside of the small hood?

[osuka]

ausuka started ticking me off from 700 onwards. it felt like it wasn't genuine curiosity behind the line of questioning, it was more of a concerted effort to frame the information that was already out in the open in a negative way so as to justify her vote. that happened at about the same time as the push from firebringer picked up, which means there's a good chance it was coordinated in some way

[osuka]

basically her whole thing was just a big spin on whatever information had already been said (why i didn't vote bulge, for example)

724+728 in particular fucking reeks. she's asking "why didn't you vote one of them if it was 50%", which is EXACTLY why i didnt wanna vote either of them because i wasn't sure which one it was. that's an excellent chance of nailing a scum slot but it's also very risky to vote early and misexec because we would essentially give up the chance to have a conftown slot for a day

[osuka]

i need to point out here as well that the d1 exec was WAY too early and i said that several times before hammer

[osuka]

additionally: why in the fucking world would i unvote firebringer if i was scum? there is ZERO benefit for scum to let the day go on any longer, especially if you have a town slot at e-1, and so if you're putting on a tinfoil hat and thinking that i did that so i could say all of this, then assume for a second i'm scum and ask yourself the following:

- why would i risk it? there's no benefit for me to get towncred because a green flip in the hood gives you the red slot.
- why did the hammer not come down? do you think the team is me + 1 of {drew, patchwork}?
- do you think firebringer, ausuka, AND krile are all town? there's no good reason for them to bus this hard either

[osuka]

additionally: why in the fucking world would i unvote firebringer if i was scum? there is ZERO benefit for scum to let the day go on any longer, especially if you have a town slot at e-1, and so if you're putting on a tinfoil hat and thinking that i did that so i could say all of this, then assume for a second i'm scum and ask yourself the following:

to be townread and for u to make this exact post
also potentially to give scum teammate cover but thats an aside theory of if ur teammate was on wagon or not when i think patchwork is ur ally and was on it.

this is an objectively asinine post and you would know better than to say this if you had only read the second half of it, but clearly that's too much to ask at this point

[osuka]

not only did i look for associations, i found at least one and i offered a solve. anyone with two brain cells and one eyeball probably realizes that already

nice try though

[osuka]

like good god 791 is so stupid it hurts my head. it literally QUOTES the post where i explain exactly why it doesn’t make sense for me to do that if i’m scum, and you’re just completely ignoring it and saying “oh no but it does”

[osuka]

yeah no datisi is my nightkill