Demon Slayer - Kimetsu no Yaiba (Game over)

[imaginality]

Wotcha folks.

On a skim through I feel like hebichan's "miller" musing about firebringer could possibly be S-S when combined with firebringer's "kinda like PGO" attempt to deter investigatives targetting them.

I do see why Ice's backing down in 87 looks suspicious but that's just relative to the other pure RVS stuff going on. I don't think scum would really be that jumpy that early.

Drew and GuyInFreezer both look towny to me. Initial gut feel is Ranger is town too.

VOTE: FireBringer

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Good thanks! I won a game as SK recently

so I'm sure to crush this one too.

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ngl i feel pretty indifferent to the leading wagon though.
not arguing against it but just feels pretty milquotoast to me.

This seems like something scum say to have it both ways. Specifically the "not arguing against it but"

(Leading wagon was BlueSnakelet)

More Firebringer votes please.

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PB
Sudden townread on me when I haven't done much of anything is likely I think to come from town?

This seems weird to me, please explain

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I think Black will give more content when she gets back and is pressured. I also vibe her as different this game so i want to see if i got something.

I am not about that whole "lets only pressure people who are here" shtick some people are. I guess if you want an alternate I could vote imaginality if you want to be more "active"

whats ur feeling on imaginality

Wolf
I think they're poking your claim to avoid forming any actual reads
I don't like them poking at my PB read because that's the easiest thing to poke

Ah yes that famous tradition where scum question weak points in someone's posts and town don't?
Me asking about this questionable point in your post is entirely NAI.

VOTE: Imaginality
I will start spicying up this game.
Hey imaginality lets have a chat

Okay. I'm around a bit.

furtive come vote imaginality

I refuse. I never vote a self-voter

I never self-voted?

Can't tell

Not sure what I quoted this on my skim through just now but there was probably a reason.

Imaginality
tbh I feel like the way he's poking Fire doesn't seem like he's interested in forming reads?
I feel like he's just hiding behind this Firebringer push to avoid scumhunting and actually forming reads.

I just wanna add that Imaginality poking me on my PB TR I don't think is a good look.
I feel like if wolves are likely to poke me or my reads, they would probably try to poke that because it looks like the weakest read out of the bunch

This point still doesn't get any better.

- Fire is town but he's being scummy, so it's a valid read to have

Actually I have a problem with this
Imaginality isn't even attacking Fire for being scummy

Didn't he vote him?

Klick is so eager to push me yet doesn't even remember the half dozen posts I've made. I agree with what I take GrandpaMo to be saying, this feels a bit weird for Klick to be playing this way.

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Ah yes that famous tradition where scum question weak points in someone's posts and town don't?
Me asking about this questionable point in your post is entirely NAI.

Eww this has this “You have no proof” vibe all over it

It absolutely does. I mean, I'm town but I generally don't mind when people suspect me Day1 for reasonable reasons (it tends to happen quite a bit, Day1 is definitely my weakest day). But I don't like this idea that it's scummy to only question the worst part of Klick's reads.

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imaginality, if you start a 1v1 based on "you're scumreading me for the wrong reasons" you'll certainly lose

I'm not even sure who you think I'm 1v1ing?
Which also, I'm not.

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I wasn't even pushing? I was asking?
I agree if I was pushing to get you wagonned based solely on that then that would be an awful push.

You seem to have confused me with someone who wants to drive the game D1. Give me some night actions to chew over and come back to me.

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That was @Klick

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I think saying that you are pushing fire in a way that looks like you are

trying to avoid forming other reads

I gave half a dozen reads in my very first post (maybe you forgot about it ).

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you just ignored me on all of these

PB
Sudden townread on me when I haven't done much of anything is likely I think to come from town?

This seems weird to me, please explain

A wolf wouldn't out that read

I haven't done much of anything so why would a wolf call me town for doing not much of anything?

Like if PB is a wolf I imagine he doesn't have to call me town and probably wouldn't until I've made actual posts.
Wolves want to keep their options open and leave lots of lurker slots on the table.

You really think if PB is a wolf he calls me town there?

Alisae you never seen Mafia townreading town for bad reasons?

this isn't wolves townreading town for bad reasons
its a player calling another player who's done nothing town

wolves just don't do that

I read it, it seemed like a reasonable response to my question.

I then started wondering if you posting four times about it was erring on the overdefensive side but I haven't made up my mind on that. If I do think so I'll be sure to let you know.

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I think saying that you are pushing fire in a way that looks like you are

trying to avoid forming other reads

I gave half a dozen reads in my very first post (maybe you forgot about it ).

and nothing else sense then

Feel free to revise your expectations of my activity levels

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I think saying that you are pushing fire in a way that looks like you are

trying to avoid forming other reads

I gave half a dozen reads in my very first post (maybe you forgot about it ).

and nothing else sense then

Also this is some good quality goalpost shifting

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I think saying that you are pushing fire in a way that looks like you are

trying to avoid forming other reads

I gave half a dozen reads in my very first post (maybe you forgot about it ).

and nothing else sense then

Also this is some good quality goalpost shifting

you're the one that's moving the goalpost here by saying I'm attacking your activity levels

You said I don't want to form reads. I pointed out I'd already given half a dozen or so. You said I haven't done anything since then. That's a shift, from "not forming reads" to "not forming reads after your first post". Nothing to do with my activity levels (which I mentioned in reference to your second, revised set of goalposts).

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hey imaginality,
wanted to ask u more about ur read and push on me. Cause im not believing u believe it.

I wouldn't put it much more strongly than gut at the moment. Like your play today in general seems okay. But the "vote me everyone" bravado and "I'm like PGO" mind games I just have a hunch that it could have non town motivations.

Before it got abandoned I called the four mafia in Weird Dreams out in my six D1 scumreads and most of those were gut also so I'm happy to ride this one and see if I'm on the mark here too.

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Oh yeah also Firebringer is probably “scum” too.

Hi Guy, interested in your reasons for this

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@Fire are you saying that because I called for more votes on you? Early D1 that doesn't mean I've got a slamdunk case, it means I want more votes on you.

I don't recall saying it was a strong read anywhere?

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My gut feeling about the comment I quoted was it could be from scum. That's why I said "seems like". Cos it could be something a townie would also say but my gut said it was from scum.

I still call that a gut read even though it's a more specific point than "pure vibes".

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You know I had a feeling that this is quickly becoming a typical old gen vs new gen, so I checked Imaginality’s join date.

And everything made sense.

Are you townreading them now or just explaining some confusion? Cause I don't have an old vs new style bias cause I was bad back then too and I still like this wagon.

Ask me again in 10 pages and I’ll answer then if I don’t answer this before then.

Also by old I meant pre-2010 old. People from those days tends to have different ideas on how to approach the game compares to people now.

Kids these days probably even pronounce 'vig' "vigg".

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The last vote count was like 15 pages ago, I'm probably already limmed?

I'll check and try to get a twilight reads list out if so. Though wagon analysis probably more helpful. Fwiw I feel like there's scum jumping on what initially started as wrong town pushing me. And possibly scum taking advantage of lack of vote count to 'accidentally' lim me if I am already limmed.

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Do you have a readlist?
who is town and who is scum imaginality?

GuyInFreezer, Doctor Drew
IceDragon70, KawaiiKame, GrandpaMo
Pink Ball, Enchant, Kokichi Oma, Flavor Leaf
Black, BlueSnakelet, Ranger, furtiveglance
Firebringer, hebichan, Klickwork

No particularly strong scumreads, the lowest rank there are just leanscum. I don't think anyone's done anything super scummy yet, at least not that I've spotted. Plenty of time for that to happen, it's only like day 2 real-time?

Pedit: omg stop posting do you know how many times I've clicked preview on this? I still have a buncha other posts to make too

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I don't think you're in hammer range because there's a lot of inactives
you can claim though because you do have a lot of votes on you

Claiming doesn't benefit town here. It's role madness. If you mislim me, you're mislimming a PR, deal with it. And if you don't lim me it's better scum don't know my role. So no, no claim and I don't think anyone else should do at least not D1 (D2 onwards it's more case by case depending on the role and what night actions etc have been claimed/published/etc.)

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The last vote count was like 15 pages ago, I'm probably already limmed?

bruh who said u were at e-1

That was my point, I feel like in the absence of recent votecounts the recent voters on me would (if town) have been slightly more likely to effort enough to say if I was e-1 or e-2, or whatever, to avoid risk of accidental limming, therefore those votes are (slightly) more likely to have been from scum.

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Standard to ask for claims in any game, doesn't mean it should be answered. Also I'm not going to be limmed so it's a moot point.

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im willing to vote imag if u vote wit me. i just need another solid person i townerad voting this slot that i had doubt.

i wanna get my revenge from chatgpt game /ns

If true (/ns = no sarcasm?), this is a terribad reason for voting me. At the very least wait for a game I'm actually nontown in.

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Standard to ask for claims in any game, doesn't mean it should be answered. Also I'm not going to be limmed so it's a moot point.

you're not going to be limmed because?

Because you're going to unvote me because I'm not the droid you're looking for.

Because I've seen this happen multiple other times D1 where people go after me early and then it dies down and the game itself starts happening and I get more townread. (As whatever alignment.)

I think it's maybe something to do with how I get out of rvs earlier than most but at the same time people read those early posts as more weighty than they usually are? Plus playstyle and timezone differences usually mean I post slightly longer more thought out posts compared to quickfire back and forth so my posts can get seen as 'artificial'.

Anyway whatever the reason, I'm confident you'll all see me as glowing with towniness before too long.

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Ya I am railroading the Imaginality elimination.
I said so myself.

I will give wolves NO QUARTER.
NO MERCY.

Funny that this was in response to GrandpaMo cos it reminds me of the over-confident way GrandpaMo railroaded narrowparking in chatGPT D1. That didn't turn out well either.

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I think if a wolf is looking at some way to attack 413 they would probably gravitate towards the easiest thing to attack, which in this case is probably the PB read.
That's all it really is really.

I really don't see how you can take my question about your PB read as an attack. All I asked was "this seems weird, please explain". I am really intrigued at how you immediately assume I am a wolf trying to use it to start attacking you. As I previously mentioned that reaction itself is more eyebrow-raising for me than the original read.

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town Imag was explicitly solving, having all mafia down within initial scumreads

lol they arent doing that in game . they also "solved" in a game wher they wer traitor in in the game i recently was in

I've never been a Traitor?

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ngl i feel pretty indifferent to the leading wagon though.
not arguing against it but just feels pretty milquotoast to me.

This seems like something scum say to have it both ways. Specifically the "not arguing against it but"

(Leading wagon was BlueSnakelet)

More Firebringer votes please.

This is something that is very easy to attack but this is Firebringer feelings on the matter.

How do you know what Firebringer's feelings really are?

It reminded me of how Defective Agency (scum) tried to sway focus away from the Titus (scumbuddy) wagon D2 of chatGPT with a bunch of "sure the Titus wagon isn't bad I don't really get it, have you considered Player X/Y/Z instead?" type of posts. Admittedly different game different context but it just gave me that vibe.

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My gut feeling about the comment I quoted was it could be from scum. That's why I said "seems like". Cos it could be something a townie would also say but my gut said it was from scum.

I still call that a gut read even though it's a more specific point than "pure vibes".

i mean when i have a gut read. i also vote it, but i don't think ur trying to explore that gut read that intensly and ur not questioning me here at all. What is ur read on me now?

I pick and choose when I go after someone. I do more watching compared to interrogation.

I do think overall I still see scum you as a possibility. Your approach to my wagon seems mostly quite reasonable. On the other hand, 929 where right after you mused about who else is even worth considering you immediately shut down consideration of furtiveglance and presume you can get me limmed first was interesting to me.

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@Klick sure it's possible town can make those posts too. I've already mentioned my scumreads at this point are tentative rather than black and white.

You on the other hand seem *certain* it's town!Firebringer's genuine though, is it not possible it could be from scum!Firebringer?

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@furtive - yep, sorry. You're correct.

On which note, goodnight from me.

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Thanks for modding such an interesting and complex game, Frozen Angel!

I think the mafia players had close to 50% of the total posts this game and that level of noise told. They did well to drown out the moments where town were on the case (e.g. Pink Ball correctly called out the three remaining mafia at one point today) and to encourage town to quicklim which I think particular bit hard D3.

(And D1 where this awesomely insightful player was correctly scumreading firebringer and Klickwork but got limmed themselves instead, oh well... lol)

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Village should want to high post as well and generally people who are excited to be villagers and want to play and solve will post a lot

I kinda disagree with this, or at least, "post a lot" is relative. I was excited to be in this game, posted more frequently than I usually do, and still felt buried. Especially the time when I got like 6 or so "more posts have been made" messages in a row when I was trying to post was rather frustrating.

This game definitely showed how powerful the scum flooding the thread can be but as someone who can't keep up that pace of posting even when motivated and enthusiastic (due to a mix of reasons) this game is making me wonder how to handle similar games in future.

I would prefer not to end up adopting a Not_Mafia-esque "maybe I should just zero-effort the first few days and only start playing if I'm still alive then" playstyle but I do see the appeal of that approach a little more right now lol.

I guess my main positive takeaway idea from this game to apply in future games is to try to prioritise getting good reads on the most active posters earlier, so I can try to call out their spamming harder if I scumread them.

Oh and try to look less scummy D1, that'd help too :p