TM 2023 | Super Mario Bros Mafia | Game Over!

[wgeurts]

The reason I ask is that while nothing in particular stands out as objectionable on its own, having such a comprehensive wall of opinions about every player (except Fate of course) so early on feels somewhat incredulous. Particularly it feels strange that you point out my reads as being too strong, even though I only actually have one read I'd consider to be anything more than a lean (CSF), inside of a wall post filled with nuanced opinions on everyone.

Just feels kinda like you felt obligated to have thoughts on everyone instead of them flowing naturally

You evidently never had the pleasure of playing with me when I was active. That's how I play the game, I've got a spreadsheet I note people's thought progressions, votes, and go back to once people start flipping so I can find associative-tells and patterns. Cerb at minimum can vouch, that's just how I roll.

As for your reads, strength is relative to the timeframe of the game, early on a relatively intense lean can be pretty strong. Your progression on Jingle is acceptably town-minded, your reasons for disliking CSF are sufficiently far-flung that in the given boardstate it just doesn't seem like something scum would do right then. The way you post isn't with hesitancy either, you just slap CSF with your vote and accuse him, that's what I mean by strong, intensity may be a better alternative.

[wgeurts]

without hesitancy*

[wgeurts]

wait no I did write that correctly, you're not hesitant xd

[wgeurts]

Also, Cerb, read this post of Adorable and the following by my teammate Xof thereafter from Team Mafia 2021. Adorable rolled Town there, this is just how they play, and an example of why I personally am going to have a headache sorting said slot.

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[HighPrincessErinys]

Lockscum

kids these days


doesn't nearly have a good a ring as confscum

Now.

For those questioning me, shhhhh, all in due time

That seems like a sketchy refusal to elaborate considering we only know for sure you've seen pages 1 and 2.

HPE, if you're town, instead of hunkering down on why people are voting you tell me who you think we should be voting instead.

This one kinda has some misgivings about the vibes of Porkens and to a lesser extent since they've only just now come around, Fate. Porkens instantly voting for you after me gives something of a buddying impression, though it's not... really sure what to make of their posts otherwise, because it feels like shitposting. This one's starting to like you a bit more after 169 clearing things up a bit but the initial accusations are still... Eek.

[Adorable]

I'm checking in and getting ready for a meeting and I haven't read everything from where I left off.

When I first saw wgeurts reads list with long explanations it bothered me because it came way too soon early in day 1 and it didn't show paranoia. What stopped me from voting wgeurts is xofelf informing wgeurts about my playstyle and I started wondering if wgeurts is scum I have been thinking xofelf would not inform them about my playstyle.

[wgeurts]

I'm checking in and getting ready for a meeting and I haven't read everything from where I left off.

When I first saw wgeurts reads list with long explanations it bothered me because it came way too soon early in day 1 and it didn't show paranoia. What stopped me from voting wgeurts is xofelf informing wgeurts about my playstyle and I started wondering if wgeurts is scum I have been thinking xofelf would not inform them about my playstyle.

As a sidenote, I'm going to openly say it's not a good idea to judge anyone in this game for what their teammates are or aren't saying. It's a common tactic for experienced mafia in Team Mafia to muddy the waters of their reads and once again, evade accountability.

[Adorable]

You said me, HPE, and Porkens have posted little of no substance. It is early day 1 and there will always be players posting little of no substance no matter what alignment they are. I actively play mafia elsewhere and a majority of the players over there post little of no substance and because of this I don't understand why you are making a big deal about this.

You have a very unusual playstyle that will be hard for me to read.

As a quick note, please snip out the wall of text if you're quoting it heh, or spoiler it.

Out of curiosity, where do you play mafia outside of MS? I strongly disagree that there is nothing of substance in Day 1, it is far more speculative yes, but people's attitude towards a game can always be gauged no matter the stage. Do you disagree?

I play in WG. I wasn't able to understand much on what you were saying in the second sentence. I don't disagree on people's attitude towards a game can be gauged.

[Jingle]

You evidently never had the pleasure of playing with me when I was active. That's how I play the game, I've got a spreadsheet I note people's thought progressions, votes, and go back to once people start flipping so I can find associative-tells and patterns. Cerb at minimum can vouch, that's just how I roll.

Not cerb, but yeah. When wgeurtz and I joined it was pretty par for the course for analytical players to have notes on everyone as town, regardless of the level of content. That particular bit is NAI. You should focus more on content and whether you think the content is real or if it fits an agenda.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

the initial accusations are still... Eek.

Can you explain how their accusations are different from mine or peta's?

[Radical Rat]

The reason I ask is that while nothing in particular stands out as objectionable on its own, having such a comprehensive wall of opinions about every player (except Fate of course) so early on feels somewhat incredulous. Particularly it feels strange that you point out my reads as being too strong, even though I only actually have one read I'd consider to be anything more than a lean (CSF), inside of a wall post filled with nuanced opinions on everyone.

Just feels kinda like you felt obligated to have thoughts on everyone instead of them flowing naturally

You evidently never had the pleasure of playing with me when I was active. That's how I play the game, I've got a spreadsheet I note people's thought progressions, votes, and go back to once people start flipping so I can find associative-tells and patterns. Cerb at minimum can vouch, that's just how I roll.

As for your reads, strength is relative to the timeframe of the game, early on a relatively intense lean can be pretty strong. Your progression on Jingle is acceptably town-minded, your reasons for disliking CSF are sufficiently far-flung that in the given boardstate it just doesn't seem like something scum would do right then. The way you post isn't with hesitancy either, you just slap CSF with your vote and accuse him, that's what I mean by strong, intensity may be a better alternative.

A spreadsheet is something I always think about doing but never follow through on. Very interested in watching it develop then.

[Jingle]

As a sidenote, I'm going to openly say it's not a good idea to judge anyone in this game for what their teammates are or aren't saying. It's a common tactic for experienced mafia in Team Mafia to muddy the waters of their reads and once again, evade accountability.

wogurtz, DK want's to hear more about your peta read, if you can.

Also, I'd never weaponize hydra dissonance. How dare you.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Lockscum

kids these days


doesn't nearly have a good a ring as confscum

Now.

For those questioning me, shhhhh, all in due time

That seems like a sketchy refusal to elaborate considering we only know for sure you've seen pages 1 and 2.

HPE, if you're town, instead of hunkering down on why people are voting you tell me who you think we should be voting instead.

I'm not a huge fan of this post. I think evaluating people's reasons for voting itself can be a valid form of scumhunting in of itself. As for "who it thinks we should be voting instead", its vote was already on you anyway

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Jingle, I hate to take your fun away but can you stick with one spelling of wgeurts? It's going to make ctrl+f'ing for them in your ISO a pain otherwise

[Jingle]

I will attempt to do so, but cannot make promises. It's a subconscious process at this point.

[HighPrincessErinys]

the initial accusations are still... Eek.

Can you explain how their accusations are different from mine or peta's?

Honestly, it can't, since the common link between all three of you is that you feel this one hasn't been making substantial posts, otherwise it's all things only wgeurts has spoken about. What IS different is you especially should actually be atleast a little familiar with my playstyle and more aware of "Hmm, this might be in HPE's townrange.", though again this one isn't exactly it's own best judge to begin with wrt it's playstyle because yeah it could have just been posting nothing garbo posts, but its not like it was trying to do so.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'll be honest I don't really remember your play from the xyzzy game but I can take a look later.

But by your own reasoning, shouldn't you be voting for me then since you had higher expectations from me in a sense?

[wgeurts]

As a sidenote, I'm going to openly say it's not a good idea to judge anyone in this game for what their teammates are or aren't saying. It's a common tactic for experienced mafia in Team Mafia to muddy the waters of their reads and once again, evade accountability.

wogurtz, DK want's to hear more about your peta read, if you can.

Also, I'd never weaponize hydra dissonance. How dare you.

DK? Either way what do they want more of? I think they're likely town right now, their play matches what would be expected from them and later on I expect to see it progress in a certain way. His blind vote on HBE came right at the time during my reread I came to similar conclusions, and from what little info they gave as to why they did in 126 for the same reasons too. I can follow the thought process even though much hasn't been vocalised, and that's alll I really what at this stage of the game. The longer it goes on, the harder it will be to remain consistent and coherent as scum regardless.

[wgeurts]

May I ask why you're still voting them however? As opposed to me who you've criticised or another?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

May I ask why you're still voting them however? As opposed to me who you've criticised or another?

Is this at me? I'm a bit confused by the reasoning behind its primary push (on you) - it doesn't really make much sense to me

[Jingle]

I still scumread them. I'm aware peta offered a back down to let the thread develop more and I tend to agree that making this the peta and Jingle show would be bad for the game, but as of right now I'm definitely planning on going back there when I'm done poking other beehives.

I don't need a vote to poke people when I have my trusty gas powered stick.

[wgeurts]

Lockscum

kids these days


doesn't nearly have a good a ring as confscum

Now.

For those questioning me, shhhhh, all in due time

That seems like a sketchy refusal to elaborate considering we only know for sure you've seen pages 1 and 2.

HPE, if you're town, instead of hunkering down on why people are voting you tell me who you think we should be voting instead.

I'm not a huge fan of this post. I think evaluating people's reasons for voting itself can be a valid form of scumhunting in of itself. As for "who it thinks we should be voting instead", its vote was already on you anyway

They're giving me a whole bunch of waffle. Jingle comes in and says he's a bit suspicious of Porken's, suddenly HPE is questioning Porken's too and walks back their vote on me a little. Note that Porkens is voting with HPE. If HPE is a passive player, I want to shove them off the fence and get them to take hard stances. If they're not used to that, making them squirm will in the short term and long term be telling enough.

[wgeurts]

May I ask why you're still voting them however? As opposed to me who you've criticised or another?

Is this at me? I'm a bit confused by the reasoning behind its primary push (on you) - it doesn't really make much sense to me

Was aimed at Jingle, who do you take as town right now yourself?

[Radical Rat]

HPE is correct that this mostly lines up with its towngame. Though I don't believe I've ever played with it as scum before

[Cat Scratch Fever]

They're giving me a whole bunch of waffle.

Jingle comes in and says he's a bit suspicious of Porken's, suddenly HPE is questioning Porken's too and walks back their vote on me a little.

Note that Porkens is voting with HPE. If HPE is a passive player, I want to shove them off the fence and get them to take hard stances. If they're not used to that, making them squirm will in the short term and long term be telling enough.

I don't think pressuring someone you're voting with means much at this stage of the game, but the bolded is a fairly good observation

Was aimed at Jingle, who do you take as town right now yourself?

Radical Rat comes across as town, especially given what I perceive their scum range to be. Adorable feels genuine

I had some towny feelings on Jingle and petapan earlier but am going to be more wary of those slots