TM 2023 | Super Mario Bros Mafia | Game Over!

[Radical Rat]

When you say "nothing happened" does that mean you received an affirmative result that there was no activity?

[Fate]

I was confirmed my action resolved and that I did not detect any paranormal activity

[Radical Rat]

Then something's gone wrong somewhere, or you're lying

[Radical Rat]

Me targeting Cerb means no one should have resolved any other actions on him

[Fate]

Well I don't think I can quote mod communication so I'm paraphrasing

It didn't say explicitly my action resolved or went through

But it said that I didn't detect any paranormal activity

Which is different than the 'no result's I'd expect if I was RBd or something


Does your role stop bodyguards and town actions and everything also?

[Fate]

Watcher usually resolves last so it can y'know watch things

So maybe you resolve right before me to stop everything above the chain

[Radical Rat]

It says all actions targeting the player, so I assume that includes Town, yes.

I also believe that a proper negative result should be distinct from a no result.

[Radical Rat]

But that's something you'll have to ask Cakez about

[Fate]

K I'll pm him, but RR I don't know what shenanigans are around but don't 1v1 me or anything drastic while I'm vla ok

[Fate]

Like I don't think as scum you'd out yourself in this way to 1v1 me, and since I got to go last as scum my fakeclaim would be solid LIKE CERBERUS HERE WHO CLAIMED AFTER ADORABLE

[Radical Rat]

I'm not 1v1ing anything yet

[Radical Rat]

If anything my instinct here is actually to look at Cerb...

[Fate]

Mod confirmed my action went through

VOTE: Cerberus I'll leave this here

[Radical Rat]

I do think it would be really funny if the green brother is Town and the red brother is Scum

[Fate]

If you're scum RR you got me fooled

Even tho DK is traditionally a villain

You'll be PoEd eventually so not too worried

Ninja: that's what I've goddamn been saying

Mod humor

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Power up: HighPrincessErinys

Haven't heard back from my team, but this somewhat eases my worries ironically

[HighPrincessErinys]

Me targeting Cerb means no one should have resolved any other actions on him

Mod confirmed my action went through

Interesting.

[Radical Rat]

Working theory is that Cerb truthfully claimed JOAT, but lied about which ability he used.

[Fate]

As reluctant as I am if we lim scum today tracker is as good as a cop eh...

Though I'd bet king boo is an actual ninja

VOTE: power up: HighprincessE

[petapan]

vote powerup: HPE

i think there's way too much claimed power here for a 10p game with 2 mafia even if we assume mafia have some kind of ninja strongman craziness

[Jingle]

vote powerup: HPE

i think there's way too much claimed power here for a 10p game with 2 mafia even if we assume mafia have some kind of ninja strongman craziness

Agreed. Which brings us to this:

JOAT
Thief/Flavor MD
Loved Bodyguard
UB
Rolestopper
Even Night Tracker
4 VT

+Publicly assigned rolestop on N2

I'm going to be treating all of {Jingle/Wgeurts/peta} as conftown for this day at least, and likely for the entire game. At the very least balance wise, one of the PR claims is lying and I find it likely two of the PR claims are lying. There's just no way all of that power is town

Adorable is almost certainly trueclaiming: loved is a nothingburger modifier and bodyguard is a shit fakeclaim, because you don't ever live to XLO.

I explicitly believe the UB claim given the lack of investigations. Cakez likely didn't want us clearing too many peeps at once, but also didn't want to give scum a chance to cripple town off of one NK.

Fate's roleclaim is very left field in a way that seems like a trueclaim. I don't think it's a fakeclaim. It could be a named VT, in which case it's possible peta or wgeurts is scum, but we can burn that bridge tomorrow when we see the third publicly assigned power.

Cerbs' vanilla cop doesn't make sense as a town role in this setup, nor does the usage of it to target a crumbed PR on the night when he was pseudo-outed OVER a 1 shot bp that would presumably ONLY be useful that night or a roleblock that would potentially stop a NK. That's not a town thought process, and cerbs functionally scumclaimed when he said that. I also think it was likely a rolecop as opposed to a vanilla cop.

Rat's role is odd, in that it is notably stronger than all the other roles town has. I'm not interested in eliminating them today, but they are my strongest guess for second scum. I also don't think the I SHOULD BE TANUKI 100%! to Why not me Tanuki? to Okay, actually HPE fine tanuki progression came off as very natural, but we'll see.

We are explicitly missing a role to take the game off of evens.

[Jingle]

I don't know what this means.

That's okay.

I was asking if those reads were doctored to convince scum not to claim VT because all the VT claims were low in the list, or if GIF was genuinely scumreading all the VT claims.

[Adorable]

GIF suspected earlier one of the joat claim or rolestopper claim is scum. GIF is leaning on Cerb being mafia and thinks the vanilla cop was made to find pr and the roleblock was made to stop the rolestopper and tracker. The 1 shot bulletproof does not warrant a strongman. If there was a strongman then it means the bulletproof serves no purpose. GIF suspects there's one scum in the pr claim and one scum in the vt claim.


Fate claimed a role that I've never heard of before and at first glance it looked like a fake claim. My guess of the scum team has been Cerb/vt or Cerb/Fate.

[Jingle]

Fate claimed a role which would be game specific with a flavor that matches in a way consistent with his desire to claim last. It seems like an odd fakeclaim to make. I'm also very much of the opinion that even if the JOAT is scum we have this much town power remaining, but I'm willing to put that off til tomorrow due to the fact that we'll have at least one more flip and we'll know what the last power up is.

VOTE: cerb

[HighPrincessErinys]

Me targeting Cerb means no one should have resolved any other actions on him

Mod confirmed my action went through

Interesting.

So: This one has

great

interest in whatever the hell is going on here because it sounds like RR or Fate is lying, and as Jingle mentioned, it's not too likely to be a fakeclaim on Fate's end due to the specificity of flavor/mechanics. DK Rolestopper on the other hand... DK feels more at home as a 3p than town

or

scum but we know that's not a thing. Rolestopper is a role that only makes sense on town as otherwise the stopper would just use it on his scumbuddy all the time, but that also kind of leads me to think it could be a fakeclaim to look townier? But the big one for me is Fate claims his action went through with mod confirmation when RR was targeting the same person, and we can at minimum believe Cerb in that he investigated Adorable (even if Vanilla Cop is a weird investigative to have on a JOAT in this setup) and not roleblocked someone, let alone RR specifically.