Open 876 - Fire and Ice - Postgame

[yessiree]

hey

[yessiree]

enchant saying that shit is probably just enchant being enchant, so not-AI, because why would scum say something blatantly antagonistic and draw attention to themselves?

VOTE: enchant

Bro was a fucking scummy entrance

this vote seems lazy, and the reasoning is weak imo, there isn't any deeper logic to it and it's done at a surface level
VOTE: Malakittens

that said, i think ocla is probably town though

[yessiree]

Also, opinion on osuka dying?

was osuka widely townread? from what ive read they were being toxic, but i typically associate abrasiveness +town!AI

[yessiree]

hmmm, have you ever seen scum gets tilted out of a game by an abrasive townie? Normally it's frustrated town that does that

when i was reading on why python had to replace out, their interaction with osuka didn't look scum theatre to me, i had reasons to believe it was a TvT and turns out im right on slots

[yessiree]

on both slots*

[yessiree]

fair enough i guess

[yessiree]

No they weren't widely townread, kinda feel like they were null to most people.

but yeah, I actually think the most scumread slots aren't necessarily scum, townread slots town (to a lessor extent), and you'd find the most success at hitting scum in the nullreads range, because conventional wisdom kinda does not apply in a multiball.

so i can sorta see the osuka nk was ice maf trying to hit scum

[yessiree]

fair enough i guess

Python really was super confident on myself and Bulge being a scum team, what is your opinion?

unfortunately i can't read python's minds

[yessiree]

fair enough i guess

Python really was super confident on myself and Bulge being a scum team, what is your opinion?

unfortunately i can't read python's minds

Well then, what are you good for lol.

But, I was asking your opinion, not python's.

im just here for a good time

i havent read enough of day 1 to formulate an opinion on that pairing tbh, probably dont plan to either cause too much effort
but you're currently a townlean for me from day 2 content alone

idk if im gonna focus too much on possible pairings right now, because even if i elim randomly it's still 4/9 at hitting scum, my strat is to townhunt and then just limming in the poe pool

[yessiree]

Enchant are you just going to OMGUS i thought you were a more sophisticated individual

[yessiree]

Bet malakittens didn't even understand message they agreeing with.

then what do you mean by this? bulge's comment on ocla's reasoning

[yessiree]

enlighten me then

[yessiree]

alright whatever

Mala was agreeing with bulge, then she disagrees with ocla's reasoning, but that was why she voted you in the first place

so when you made that comment are you not just OMGUSing

[yessiree]

but you're currently a townlean for me from day 2 content alone

There's day 2 content? I think we're on the second page of it?

not a super solid read but still a read nonetheless, mostly based on tone and perspective, but yeah i like what im seeing from that slot so far

also dont worry i'll try to channel some of python's enthusiasm this game, even though we have drastically different playstyles

for some reason Aureal sounds French, are you perhaps French?

[yessiree]

Spoiler:

[yessiree]

repeat after me

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

[yessiree]

Interesting

I chuckled

[yessiree]

Well. That was not the stirring defense of Black I was hoping for, Mala. It's okay though, I figured out who your partner actually is.

[Black, Malakittens] + [The Bulge, Kokichi Oma]

How about it

[The Bulge, Malakittens] + [Enchant, Kokichi Oma]

How about it

bulge + malakittens makes sense to me
enchant + kokichi I don't really see

[yessiree]

good hammer

[yessiree]

wow very cool

[yessiree]

VOTE: Aureal

yes, at least one scum has posted today if you think about it

[yessiree]

I know I'm town

do you really

[yessiree]

it was a simple yes/no question

[yessiree]

interesting

[yessiree]

I thought Python was town but yessiree's posting today is very bad

I think Aureal and Black might be the other 2 town

This isn't looking good

furtive you realize to get a lim today you need at least one scum on the wagon

i mean malakittens was right how do u find motivation for this game anymore

im just gonna sheep enchant till endgame

[yessiree]

Realistically the other one could be Aureal, Enchant or Oclaxian Empire

I'm sure The Bulge and yessiree are both scum

isn't that the entire playerlist sans you and black

[yessiree]

black let me ask you a question, what's ur step 2 after you get the game solve

play hope mafia and hope the teams cross kill each other like Aureal?

ninja'd

[yessiree]

thats great

[yessiree]

black let me ask you a question, what's ur step 2 after you get the game solve

play hope mafia and hope the teams cross kill each other like Aureal?

ninja'd

My step 2 is to try and lim scum and see what happens afterwards

It's funny because I thought about it some more and realized that if we get to 2:1:1 we can actually still win if we eliminate town, but not if we eliminate scum.

What even is this game.

if we get to 2:1:1 and elim town, it's a draw, at that point mafia will never shoot each other because shooting town/no action gives higher EV than shooting the other mafia

[yessiree]

only out i see is to transpose to 2:1 but thats entirely dependent upon night kills

[yessiree]

UNVOTE:

[yessiree]

VOTE: The Bulge

i say we just kill bulge and save our mod the trouble, decent chance of flipping scum

[yessiree]

it's just a poe read because he's not one of my townreads

[yessiree]

why aren't you voting if you agree there's a decent chance of that slot flipping scum?

[yessiree]

just say if u dont want to have a conversation with me, you know anything i say about python is gonna be biased

you're wrong tho

[yessiree]

I want yessiree dead. That’s my prodge

that sucks
u were one of my top tr

[yessiree]

I want yessiree dead. That’s my prodge

that sucks
u were one of my top tr

This feels like a pocketing attempt. How does him wanting to kill you affect your read on him?

it doesnt change, that read is pretty solidified, but i can always re-evaluate

[yessiree]

just say if u dont want to have a conversation with me, you know anything i say about python is gonna be biased

you're wrong tho

We can have a conversation all day if you want. I'm not sure anything you say can get me off my read but I'm more than willing to listen

uhh I might as well be taking to a wall because that just sounds like an exercise in futility

[yessiree]

I don't exactly trust u black, interesting how u started to push me all of a sudden after I put bulge to E-2 if you were so sure I had a higher chance of being scum than bulge

Black + Bulge?

could be a thing

[yessiree]

interesting how u started to push me all of a sudden after I put bulge to E-2 if you were so sure I had a higher chance of being scum than bulge

You made me realize I wasn't voting anywhere. So thanks, but unfortunately you're where the vote landed

I quite frankly find this hard to believe, it's not like much has happened during day 3 for you to not realize where your vote was. Notably, scum would want to be conservative and strategic with their vote today so I think that is the more likely scenario here

And if I was scum trying to save Bulge, why wouldn't I just jump on the mobile Aureal wagon instead of start a new one with you?

1. Bulge wasn't in danger of being elimed
2. Joining Aureal wagon means joining enchant + me, who u scumread, so u joining the wagon at E-1 would seem pretty opportunistic

[yessiree]

And if I was scum trying to save Bulge, why wouldn't I just jump on the mobile Aureal wagon instead of start a new one with you?

also bulge and u aren’t aligned is what this means, but likely are opposing factions.

I was gonna say this is a strange take but then the more I read about it, the more it made sense from ur pov

So this means bulge is more likely scum than town in ur pov?

[yessiree]

ur also ignoring gut feeling

Your gut feeling is fine but I'm still going to find your vote opportunistic and kinda scummy

And if I was scum trying to save Bulge, why wouldn't I just jump on the mobile Aureal wagon instead of start a new one with you?

also bulge and u aren’t aligned is what this means, but likely are opposing factions.

yessiree was arguing for Bulge + me off of this interaction. You should be arguing with them about who's team I'm on

black you have called everyone scum except bulge with this shade on ocla now

coincidence?
I THINK NOT

[yessiree]

VOTE: No lim

Hey guys look pacifist ending

[yessiree]

[yessiree]

VOTE: no lim

[yessiree]

Ain't nobody getting limmed today so I'm asking yall please don't drag this out unnecessarily

[yessiree]

Clap

[yessiree]

so Black you are maintaining that you are town?

[yessiree]

or maybe furtive is the last town and you shot Enchant out of spite

[yessiree]

lol why say that though? it's not like it's gonna make a difference in your nk targets

[yessiree]

cause you seem to have exclusive info on who's paired and who's not but if you're town you don't make the kind of claims you're making here

[yessiree]

Thanks for modding Alianna. I thought u were pretty great with timeliness

[yessiree]

wow no congrats to her partner huh? Boohoo

But actually I did not expect to replace into a scum slot, I fully townread python before deciding to replace in

This game was a wild ride

[yessiree]

Scariest moment was when enchant voted Aureal on day 3, I made it E-2 and left it there for a day. If she was hammered we would've been at huge disadvantage

Luckily nobody bit on it even though she was pretty widely scumread at the time

u guys need to trust ur instincts more

[yessiree]

I'd play this setup if it were run again.

how about a variant of this? like a fusion of multiball with kingmaker mechanics

not sure if that has been done before, but i think it would fit the theme of a song of ice and fire where multiple factions are vying for power

[yessiree]

Spoiler: multiball + kingmaker

• 13p (?)
  
• Same roles as Fire and Ice
  
• A kingmaker is voted by players on day 1 (or chosen randomly)
  
• No elimination on day 1, instead, the kingmaker selects 3 candidates (1 main and 2 backups, backups must be ordered) on day 1 publicly
  
• One of the candidates becomes king next day and decides the elimination
  
• If the kingmaker dies, a new one must be voted by the players the next day
  
• Kingmaker mechanic no longer in effect if total number of town is fewer than that of mafia

would people play this? i know multiball has a bad rep in general but maybe this would make it more interesting?

[yessiree]

Whats a CPR doc

[yessiree]

hmmm even more killing power