BooneyToonz XVI: Boons Ahoy! - [END]

[TemporalLich]

Welcome to the aether

VOTE: Here There Be Dragons

and that is why we're in the aether somehow

[TemporalLich]

truthfully we're in the uncharted waters that is known as RVS, anything is possible

it might as well actually be the aether for real

[TemporalLich]

Students of Prudence does not feel towny to me initially with the reaction in 36

VOTE: Students of Prudence

[TemporalLich]

that being said after thinking about it for a bit more time... 21 does indeed feel judgemental

pedit: I thought I saw posturing initially, but I thought for like a few more seconds

[TemporalLich]

firebringer seems like firebringer to me... which is actually towny

[TemporalLich]

here there be dragons and whemestar have initial towny vibes


though whemestar's initial towny vibes are based off 62 and 63 being actual initial scumreads and not RVS fluff

norwee is very slightly leaning scum (infinitesimally leaning scum, if you know what infinitesimal means)

[TemporalLich]

I should point out that Enchant is the most towny read I have right now

[TemporalLich]

The prudence read boils down to slightly scummy reaction, I can't go back to an RVS vote if I have a real vote

[TemporalLich]

Firebringer, how do you read Here There Be Dragons?

Anyway, firebringer being firebringer is indeed a good sign and it is actually AI

pedit: no comment

[TemporalLich]

ur asking me how i read a hydra?
I will wait for cephrir and std to get serious before analyzing them.
I think ur being a bit too try hard right now and reading non indicative things as townie. Think u need more serious content for actual reads

me being myself isn't alignment indicative

okay

but if I don't have reads then what am I even supposed to do this game?! just keep posting RVS fluff and wait for something that warrants a read stronger than infinitesimal?

The prudence read boils down to slightly scummy reaction, I can't go back to an RVS vote if I have a real vote

It's an real vote still? Didn't you vote them for something you in your very next post claim wasn't a good reasoning to scumread them after all?

yeah but I still voted for that reason and had no other scumreads at that time

Eh, only seen their town game. So the initial ping was just 'TL doing TL things'. Guess that would be more null, but I didn't agree with whoever it was who said it pinged scummy.

But I do agree you are the bigger threat to all mankind.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

I get the impression this is pushing a policy lim - care to share your reasoning for scumreading Firebringer?

[TemporalLich]

UNVOTE:

alright, fair enough

[TemporalLich]

I'm trying hard to make sure I can actually play D1 with a degree of proficiency instead of coasting through

[TemporalLich]

also, I need all the reads I can get

[TemporalLich]

yeah I kinda want to relax instead of trying too hard

[TemporalLich]

since I'm under pressure, time to not give any reads whatsoever so I can live to N1

[TemporalLich]

peregrine is NAI, and theta is NAI, everyone is NAI times aleph-omega

[TemporalLich]

I actually had to look at your ISO to tell that you townread (instead of scumread) Enchant...

[TemporalLich]

i don't have a read on literally anyone so i question where u saw me even say i had a read

how else would I interpret 18 if I were being generous and didn't want to categorize posts as RVS fluff (NAI times aleph-null) unless proven otherwise?

[TemporalLich]

if I weren't under pressure I'd call peregrine towny for that post

[TemporalLich]

fair enough, I have skill issue

[TemporalLich]

theta alpine has towny vibes to me

as for students of prudence, idk as of now, I wouldn't go as far to say they're towny as of now... that slot can't really be sorted right now

pedit: klick is saying a lack of hydra dissonance isn't scummy just because hydra dissonance is towny...

not sure how to feel about that opinion, I still don't strongly scumread students of prudence even though there is a lack of hydra dissonance since students of prudence seems like they could be towny

[TemporalLich]

a lot of slots that have done nothing means I can't provide a lead rist yet

Frogs is the most scummy of the slots without content, as they have posted fluff instead of just lurking

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Frogs

okay that reaction from whemestar suggests an associative

[TemporalLich]

And before that post from Lich he has brought up 0 times that he scumreads me and the only read he has given of me is an initial town read so I’m not sure why he thinks it’s associative

Vote lich up let’s go woot woot

okay now you're just openwolfing

VOTE: WhemeStar

and bear in mind an associative makes

both

parties look scummy, your deflection is obvious

[TemporalLich]

MUAHAHAHA I LOVE IT

that defense might as well be made out of paper for how ineffective it is

pedit: and now wheme is distancing... okay I double down on my opinion that whemestar is openwolfing

[TemporalLich]

you're trying to make it seem like you and frogs are not co-aligned scum

[TemporalLich]

explain - i think the opposite

also friends don't let friends preflip

-c
[/quote]the reaction is transparently defending frogs in a scummy way

that's an associative, and you thinking it suggests frogs and whemestar are cross-aligned is baffling and I actually want you reasoning for that

[TemporalLich]

regardless I want to lim one of {Frogs, WhemeStar} today due to an associative

and even if it was pocketing, the distancing suggests it's actually an associative instead

[TemporalLich]

It would be a good reason for a flip if there aren't many compelling scumreads

Besides, whemestar was openwolfing

pedit: I'd want Frogs to at least post some actual content, otherwise whemestar is simply scummy and the associative is weak at best

[TemporalLich]

you were defending frogs while not giving a reason

[TemporalLich]

Unless you assume my post about not voting a hydra was talking about frogs specifically which is understandable butits more so the fact that ppl just want to vote hydras cause they are hydras

the post before that post was me saying frogs was the most scummy of the slots without content

so I interpreted your post about not wanting to vote hydras as a reaction to me saying that frogs was the most scummy of the slots without content

[TemporalLich]

Lich trying to jump on frogs though felt opportunistic though and a way to get pressure off of themselves

well yeah I can't get the reads I need while under pressure

[TemporalLich]

otherwise any read I make whatsoever will get extreme scrutiny and I might as well just lurk

[TemporalLich]

assuming I'm not under pressure right now: peregrine and doctor drew have towny vibes

assuming I'm under pressure right now: peregrine and doctor drew are NAI

[TemporalLich]

I'm the only one who thinks peregrine's scumcase on me makes sense or at least has a town mindset behind it apparently...

and yeah if I'm under pressure I'd need to tryhard instead of putting my thoughts into words the moment they generate

[TemporalLich]

frogs really needs to post content

[TemporalLich]

will give a lead rist soon, but if I'm under pressure it will be low effort crapola

[TemporalLich]

will give a lead rist soon, but if I'm under pressure it will be low effort crapola

Do you usually say things like this in your games or is this something new you're trying out?

no, this is unusual for me and I don't know why I'm pulling that gambit

[TemporalLich]

here's a lead rist

[Town]

Firebringer - Very towny, very Firebringer
Doctor Drew - Very good at generating content and appearing trustworthy
NorwegianboyEE - A town mindset, this can be seen in 213
Peregrine - For some arcane reason I townread Peregrine
Klick - I quite like posts 228 and 314 though I do want to see the sorting soon
Enchant - Very weakly town, mostly due to me thinking Enchant is playing normally
Here There Be Dragons - towny vibes but not much else for me to comment on
Students of Prudence - I don't like the opening but I can see a town mindset

below this is what I'd consider the PoE

Malakittens - pretty much NAI
Ranger - No content, but effectively V/LA so hard null here
zoro - No content, hard null
Frogs - No content besides a scummy reaction of a vote on Here There Be Dragons (not having the game sorted is apparently scummy? what?), linked by associative to WhemeStar so if WhemeStar flips scum Frogs is very likely scum
Theta Alpine - Very good at blending in while not producing any meaningful content
WhemeStar - A quick ISO skim tells me scummy mindset, also defends (not pockets, defends) frogs and I still don't like post 300

[Scum]

[TemporalLich]

Well instead of giving slightly lame reasons of why you're not going to play good, i'd prefer it if you just actually tried to be towny if you are town here.

well I got scumread and put under pressure for tryharding so I doubt that will work this game

[TemporalLich]

Doctor Drew is towny but I've played with scum Doctor Drew once and he was very good at being towny

Still, Doctor Drew is a townread and if I didn't think Doctor Drew was town he'd be in the PoE, not at a high position in the lead rist that basically means I have high confidence Doctor Drew is town

WhemeStar is the one who has an associative with Frogs because WhemeStar was defending frogs for some unusual reason. Frogs posted a vote in 316 and it appears to be in response to 315 (otherwise it would be a contextless vote which is scummy for a different reason)

When I made that lead rist I ISO skimmed everyone, WhemeStar appearing scummy when skimmed contributes to my initial scumread (that of defending frogs for a scummy reason)

pedit: well you're still voting me so if I'm LHF that makes you scum

[TemporalLich]

and voting LHF because they're LHF is transparently scummy

[TemporalLich]

somehow we crossed thoughtstreams?

[TemporalLich]

anyway I will take that as your sorting and you have switched places with Peregrine now

[TemporalLich]

if I were doing tiers, they'd be like this:

actually towny: firebringer, doctor drew, norwee, klick
towny vibes: peregrine, enchant, prudence
null: malakittens, ranger, emperor flippynips, here there be dragons (that part about me being LHF while voting me is suspicious)
scummy: frogs, theta alpine, whemestar

pedit: to emperor flippynips: good opening

to here there be dragons: since you admit your vote is for pressure instead of pushing a lim, you're likely trying to paint me as LHF anyway

you somehow missed that I have

THREE

scumreads in my lead rist, so my answer is "vacuously true".

p^2edit: I don't like theta's post... that just suggests theta is intent on controlling the town and that just has strong scummy vibes to me

[TemporalLich]

(that part about me being LHF while voting me is suspicious)

...did you read it, or...?

-c

you saying I'm either scum or LHF is a low confidence scumread at best

will provide no further information to avoid being painted as LHF

[TemporalLich]

okay I will assume theta is not intent on controlling the town... and since theta is now producing actual content I no longer scumread theta

as for here there be dragon's post, fair enough

[TemporalLich]

a small catch-up that isn't actually a catch-up:

peregrine's reasoning in 372 is strange but not scummy

I'd like Enchant's reasoning for scumreading Klick in 409

however, starting an Enchant wagon is not the way to get that reasoning... I'd want to see reasons for the votes ideally

frogs seemed to have towny vibes in 423, though my low confidence scumread on frogs is maintained as 429 feels like it would be an easy fake post

emperor flippynips is mostly meming so I currently read emperor flippynips as NAI

oh and I'd want to know why Firebringer is voting peregrine as the insight would be very useful

also Firebringer you were literally top read in my lead rist, that should be a good thing

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I am still confused by 372 and it just seems like unwarranted shade thrown at Klick

so idk, my townread on peregrine was based on 145 being a good post

pedit: yeah theta alpine is scummy so a vote there would be good

VOTE: Theta Alpine

note that WhemeStar is still scummy

[TemporalLich]

550 is very OMGUS and I don't think frogs is intending to give any reads

VOTE: frogs

[TemporalLich]

I think frogs is at E-3 right now

[TemporalLich]

another sort of catchup, because I'm close to 24 hours without posting:


565 is not a good post as it suggests frogs wants to either lim or put pressure on firebringer for an unspecified reason

peregrine seemed slightly towny on page 23


584 is an okay read list (idk if the read list is ordered or not, I prefer ordered read lists as relative scumminess is more important than absolute scumminess), I can see town making that read list


585 feels OMGUSy

frogs has NAI vibes on page 24


602 seems to be posted with a scummy mindset, especially the part about not wanting to be mislimmed (only town can be mislimmed by definition, so frogs wants to appear town-aligned)


605 is worth a question posed to both Klick and Enchant: why do you think Theta is worth a high confidence townread?


608 feels like a townspew but idk why

yeah Enchant is scummy on page 25, so voting there is good


626 is a scummy post

VOTE: Enchant

while frogs is starting to maybe be scummy town, Enchant is likely scummy scum

[TemporalLich]

yet another sort of catchup because I somehow keep needing these type of posts...

yeah Doctor Drew is towny, 658 and 662 are good posts

wheme using the joke defense screams scum

frogs did post a read list in 672 so my assessment that frogs is scummy town is more confident now

enchant is scummy on page 28 as well

you said my posts on pg 24 were NAI; how does this then lead you to us being scummy town?

-Cakez

page 25 is when I started thinking that

and oh wow enchant just randomly claims neighbor with a partner for no good reason?!

VOTE: WhemeStar

I want to be confident a claimed neighbor is actually scum before voting, sorry

and such a hasty claim probably means enchant is town (though Klick is also likely town)

[TemporalLich]

Why, why. Why are you not wanting a enchant lim?

I'm not confident that Enchant is scum anymore, especially with that strange Neighbor claim

basically, Enchant with that claim is now a low confidence scumread, but the claimed role is high value

[TemporalLich]

I want to be confident a claimed neighbor is actually scum before voting, sorry

???????????????????????

-c

if we have an all town neighborhood we basically have a masonry

and a masonry is extremely powerful

pedit: read lists alone are +town because they indicate effort

it is possible to fake a read list however

also I was saying wheme was scummy because he was saying something was a joke as a defense

p^2edit: a neighbor is a role with access to a PT, it allows communication and is basically a masonry without the alignment knowledge

high value was a bit hasty to say however

p^3edit: I'm saying I doubt scum would make that neighbor claim

[TemporalLich]

So Enchant has very low scum equity and I should just vote Enchant anyway?

pedit: idk about theta to be honest

[TemporalLich]

currently my read on frogs is a low confidence scumread, frogs is scum but frogs still has high scum equity so I'm hesitant to vote frogs

[TemporalLich]

ebwop: frogs is scummy

[TemporalLich]

yeah I'm not sure if high scum equity is towny or scummy, what I said about frogs and enchant assumes high scum equity is towny

[TemporalLich]

then again I was thinking frogs was probably just a town-aligned player who was acting scummy, while I was asking if enchant is so transparently scummy that enchant is worth a speedlim

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Enchant

WhemeStar also claimed neighbor now, and is starting to show a town mindset especially with the reads post in 811

[TemporalLich]

@lich do you have a scum game I could read by chance I couldn’t find one

Anywyas UNVOTE: in case I’m voting lich pretty sure he’s town

you were voting theta

Anyway I don't have any recent scum games but I have scum games on my wiki page

[TemporalLich]

Ranger feels NAI at best to me, I'd want the top tier in 930 explained


as for students of prudence, the enchant town read is a bad take and 938 seems to be posted with a scummy mindset

[TemporalLich]

Ranger has towny vibes especially in 960, shows real effort in solving the game

973 is a scummy post, so less confident in my Firebringer townread now

987 is ironically defensive

peregrine's hyperposting feels like reading a wallpost however I can sense a town mindset by skimming the peregrine posts. The peregrine post about Enchant does indeed vindicate Enchant somewhat (scumlean, but I still can't parse Enchant's posting style well)


oh and malakittens is worth a townread, also 1017 is a very helpful post

[TemporalLich]

oh and I'm still voting Enchant, better change that...

VOTE: WhemeStar

still scummy, and defensiveness isn't a towntell afaik

[TemporalLich]

idk how 1017 is a helpful post

It's an important clarification that your reads are based on you catching up instead of taking the whole game into account.

973 is a scummy post, so less confident in my Firebringer townread now

Perhaps you linked the wrong post or see something I don't.

Please elaborate; what makes an image stating 'boy that escalated quickly' be scummy to you?

That post is reaction bait that could have been intended to paint malakittens as LHF (the reaction bait wasn't taken however)

987 is ironically defensive

Disagreed. It could've been, with a different tone. The tone present felt a factual statement of truth. WhemeStar is correct in having not been defensive.
[/quote]I skimmed Wheme's ISO and that post does appear to be true. I didn't see any (other) defensive posts and Wheme likely wasn't voting me because of OMGUS (Wheme did vote me after I said that Wheme had an associative with frogs - and that was my main reason for scumreading WhemeStar then)

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ebwop: the third quote was meant to be this:

Disagreed. It could've been, with a different tone. The tone present felt a factual statement of truth. WhemeStar is correct in having not been defensive.

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: frogs

maybe I tunneled too hard on wheme

frogs is a good vote imo

[TemporalLich]

I'm wavering between wanting to wait for frogs to claim or not...

so idk, if someone wants to simply lim frogs then please do so

pedit: and now frogs is at E-2 instead of E-1 so I'd have to wait until E-1 again for a claim...

[TemporalLich]

then again, frogs' reaction to being put at E-1 (note that 1059 and 1061 indicate frogs is aware of being at E-1) makes me think a claim or any actual effort would be unlikely

[TemporalLich]

okay... a lot of effort out of the aether from frogs and frogs now seems towny

VOTE: Students of Prudence

students of prudence does not appear to be towny to me... can't really think of a reason students of prudence could be town

[TemporalLich]

yeah my main reason for scumreading frogs was a lack of effort combined with calling the wagon unnatural

also I just skimmed Here There Be Dragons' ISO and found this post that seems scummy so yeah Here There Be Dragons is also a worthy lim:

@whemestar please make a read list so that temporallich will stop voting you

thanks

-c

this feels like an associative to me

[Boonskiies]

@mod: I'm currently voting for Students of Prudence, not frogs

Sure ya'arr

[TemporalLich]

Voting for us is a straight up terrible idea; I get the sense that this wagon on us is activity-based, which is dumb. We're both busy with school, it's exam season.

If anyone has a scumread on us for another reason, explain it.

-F

asides from this obvious OMGUS, I scumread you because I have no reasons to townread you and your posts have scummy vibes

[TemporalLich]

Does that include my ones?
Because I'm getting the impression most people have been focusing only on furtive's.
~R

no but they're not obviously towny either to make me reconsider my scumread

[TemporalLich]

we have less than 48 hours left on the deadline, time pressure is starting to exist

anyway, here's a post for now:


I currently have a low confidence townread on Doctor Drew, 1151 feels very NAI to me

the firebringer and frogs interaction on page 47 feels NAI


1174 however is a towny post and is a good scumread on frogs

I still scumread frogs mostly due to low effort posting while not under pressure


1198 is an okay post worth a small amount of town points

oh and kitty trauma team is currently a nullread for me

[TemporalLich]

here's a lead rist again, since the Day will end soon:

[Town]

NorwegianboyEE - thoughtstreaming a town mindset, confident in townreading
Klick - clear town mindset
Firebringer - towny but somewhat provocative
Ranger - the non-lead rist posts show a town mindset
Doctor Drew - towny but I somehow am thinking "potential deepwolf" for some arcane reason
Theta Alpine - recent posts are slightly towny
Peregrine - maybe towny I guess?

Kitty Trauma Team - nullread, maybe towny for 1219
WhemeStar - scummy, but maybe town.

[below this line indicates good lims]

Emperor flippyNips - not much content, slightly scummy
Enchant - still quite scummy actually
Students of Prudence - their posts have scummy vibes
Here There Be Dragons - extremely good at blending in, still scummy though
frogs - the lack of effort while not under pressure is

extremely

concerning!

[Scum]

VOTE: frogs

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Students of Prudence

E-2

Yeah I do indeed believe Students is scum and is a worthy lim

[TemporalLich]

@Lich do you believe that both wagons here are on scum?

yes, I do indeed believe that both the frogs and students wagons are on scum, the reason I'm eager to hop between those wagons is time pressure (we have less than 36 hours of the deadline left)

[TemporalLich]

apparently we're still in twilight, I was not paying attention to the thread because twilight

[TemporalLich]

question for the thread: how would you react if mint fudge existed?

[TemporalLich]

question for the thread: how would you react if mint fudge existed?

i don't like mint so indifference

fair enough

pedit: are you saying Enchant is 300% town?!

[TemporalLich]

whemestar was town?!

okay does that mean frogs is town because whemestar had an associative with frogs?

[TemporalLich]

oh my god that is a tracker guilty

I thought Klick was obvious town...

pedit: because I scumread whemestar

but the flip and tracker claim equals a freaking tracker guilty

[TemporalLich]

oh wait klick is still alive

oops lol

[TemporalLich]

so yeah klick is actually tracker inno?!

since buccaneer would mirror kill abilities but klick is alive

[TemporalLich]

emperor flippynips kind of looks scum because of the theta alpine flip

theta alpine consistently gave emperor flippynips a townlean read...

[TemporalLich]

there was less than 2 days of deadline left and I thought you and students were both scum so either lim would be preferable to ending the day with a no lim

pedit: you were literally at the bottom position on my late D1 lead rist so I did not in fact think you were townier

[TemporalLich]

do you not know what time pressure is

[TemporalLich]

anyway here's a preliminary vote because I still don't know if the whemestar associative absolves you or not

VOTE: Emperor FlippyNips

theta alpine flip is hard to ignore

[TemporalLich]

this isn't a marketing seminar I don't have to sell anything

[TemporalLich]

but if you must know it was a read because idk what you're trying to argue

[TemporalLich]

anyway frogs is scum because of very low effort while not under pressure

[TemporalLich]

name one reason why you think I'm locktown becuase idk why you read me that way lol

[TemporalLich]

name one reason why you think I'm locktown becuase idk why you read me that way lol

??????????

why do you townread me if you think I'm scum for some arcane reason?

[TemporalLich]

anyway the lack of effort while under pressure was worth a high confidence scumread because it seemed very unusual

pedit: my voting history was towny because I was voting at end of day

[TemporalLich]

and theta was not voting at end of day

[TemporalLich]

ebwop: not under pressure

[TemporalLich]

are you trying to fake effort so I townread you?!

seriously?

[TemporalLich]

because people would look on-wagon for scum especially if there is a quickhammer

[TemporalLich]

now go deflect that argument

[TemporalLich]

because you saying I'm a beacon of scumminess because you think my VCA sucks is a worse argument

[TemporalLich]

anyway if I had to vote on-wagon, I'd vote Here There Be Dragons

but Emperor flippyNips was not voting at the end of Day 1 and Emperor flippyNips is probably scum because theta alpine flipped scum

[TemporalLich]

actually I'll add VCA to the list of reasons I scumread emperor flippynips

same voting pattern as theta alpine

[TemporalLich]

but can you prime number?

[TemporalLich]

I am tracker, Klick visited Whemestar.

this is actually a tracker inno considering Whemestar's flip

[TemporalLich]

buccaneer mirrors kill abilities redirected to them

[TemporalLich]

and klick is still alive

[TemporalLich]

therefore klick is tracker inno

[TemporalLich]

even if the tracker ability was fake I still townread Klick

[TemporalLich]

as for enchant... idk

I still think emperor flippynips and here there be dragons is scum

[TemporalLich]

fell behind 4 pages somehow, here's a sort of catch up maybe:

Enchant is still being scummy (especially with the saying the guilty is fake, but idk that doesn't seem like something scummy scum would do) somehow, but Enchant feels like Enchant so idk, not really willing to vote Enchant now

Kitty Trauma Team really seems to be pushing the counterclaim = enchant scum bit a lot however... seems like trying to paint enchant as LHF, which makes enchant townier

frogs is 300% painting enchant as LHF - this means enchant is locktown now

NorwegianboyEE and Klick are obvious town as always

Here There Be Dragons is getting slightly townier, still PoE but I'd rather vote either frogs or emperor flippynips right now

[TemporalLich]

the end goal of painting someone as LHF is to mislim so point proven

pedit: you are trying to make Enchant an easy lim instead of actually putting out a scum case on Enchant

[TemporalLich]

why in the multiverse should I vote someone who I am confident is town?

are you actually scum?

[TemporalLich]

I am tracker, Klick visited Whemestar.

k i lied can we kill klick anyway

enchant said the tracker claim was fake anyway

so yeah I believe enchant is locktown because frogs and Kitty Trauma Team seem to be setting Enchant up as an easy mislim

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Kitty Trauma Team

openwolf

[TemporalLich]

I Fuckin hate


FUCKIN HATE

when I claim something that is god damn true and some dumb fuck tells me "dude you suck" and people throw fucking shade on it


It fucking pisses me off


PEDIT: THATS RIGHT FUCKER SEND ME TO THE DEAD PT SO I CAN MOCK YOUR BUDDY TO THEIR FACE

sorry

I was thinking you were trying to set up Enchant as an easy mislim

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Emperor flippyNips

feeling my vote on kitty trauma team is too tunnely

pedit: yeah let's lim scum

[TemporalLich]

I'm aware that you're angry, that's why I'm backing off

[TemporalLich]

I do think emperor flippynips is scum because of the theta associative

also because emperor flippynips doesn't have towny vibes from an ISO skim, I mostly saw fluff posts

[TemporalLich]

I really would want emperor flippynips to post something

other than that, I'd say my PoE consists of emperor flippynips, here there be dragons, frogs, and kitty trauma team... but the only one I'm confident is scum right now is emperor flippynips - here there be dragons seems to be towny recently and my scumread on frogs doesn't hold anymore as they are giving effort

[TemporalLich]

What’s going on now?

enchant fakeclaimed tracker and immediately said it was a lie, kitty trauma team and frogs thinks enchant is scum for that reason, I think enchant is locktown because of kitty trauma team and frogs thinking enchant is scum

also theta alpine flipped scum and was consistently townlean reading you so I sense an associative

[TemporalLich]

oh yeah... I kinda think it was the buccaneer (whemestar) who killed theta so I'm not counting you as mod-confirmed

[TemporalLich]

but your scumread is because you were seemingly trying to make enchant an easy lim

pedit: yeah, buccaneer mirrors kill abilities redirected to them

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I still think emperor flippynips is the scummiest player as of now

oh and doctor drew is towny

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considering emperor flippynips is at E-2, I will provide a day 2 lead rist soon

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early day 2 lead rist I guess

[Town]

Klick - Pretty much confirmed town
Enchant - Very unlikely to be scum due to interactions with Kitty Trauma Team and frogs
NorwegianboyEE - Thoughtstreaming town mindset still, obvious town
Ranger - Very solvey as of Day 2
Doctor Drew - Solvey and towny, Day 2 posts are good
Firebringer - Still towny and memey
Peregrine - again, maybe towny I guess?
Kitty Trauma Team - I want to scumread here for the Enchant interaction but I want to townread here for the genuine emotion
Here There Be Dragons - Upward trend in towniness, currently reading as null to scumlean
frogs - My previous reason for a scumread (lack of effort while not under pressure) no longer holds, I am instead giving a low confidence scumread for trying to set up Enchant as an easy lim
Emperor flippyNips - Theta Alpine flip suggests emperor flippynips is scum, not much content and the Day 2 posts are strange

[Scum]

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Why do you think Klick could be scum?

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Anyway the fake tracker claim makes Klick confirmed town

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I'll have to reread Day 2 apparently...

Ranger is being wagoned and idk why

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yeah well klick is confirmed town because there's no way enchant's fake claim would make sense otherwise

also it helps that klick is obvious town

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enchant faked a tracker inno (which is an inno and not a guilty because of the buccaneer flip) on klick

and it was taken as an actual tracker guilty as first

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I strongly believe enchant and klick are co-aligned, and enchant is probably town

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Can i throw a sink at you

why?

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I don't see enchant's gambit making sense if only one of {Enchant, Klick} is scum

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so yeah, Enchant is town mostly because of the gambit leading to interactions with Kitty Trauma Team and frogs suggesting that Enchant is town, while Klick is obvtown, involved in the Enchant gambit, and being devoid of any reason to be scum.

so yeah, Klick is pretty much confirmed town, to the point any associative with Klick is worth town points

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I still do not understand why Ranger is being scumread

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1864 is baffling, but it has strongly NAI vibes to me

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I would like to offer you a deal.
You be my doublevoter today, and I will be your doublevoter tomorrow.
Thoughts?

also I would like to point out this scummy post as being scummy

pedit: my PoE would be Kitty Trauma Team, frogs, Here There Be Dragons and Emperor flippyNips. The former two would be because of Enchant interactions while the latter two would be because of Theta interactions. (here there be dragons seemed to have a slight associative with theta according to an ISO skim)

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kitty trauma team and here there be dragons being nullreads for me, but still PoE worthy

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TL I would like to talk whenever you get a chance.

uhh okay?

I still do not understand why Ranger is being scumread

Klick's being pocketed by scum, scum are threatened by me, that simple.

scummy post actually

also you thinking I was the nightkill target is quite strange

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that is worth a few town points for emperor flippynips but emperor flippynips is still worth a scumread because of the theta alpine flip

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anyway ranger's recent posts indicate scum so I am willing to vote there now

pedit: do you have any reasoning for your flippy vote?

p^2edit:

VOTE: Here There Be Dragons

trying to set up

confirmed town

as an easy lim

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actually yeah I do believe Dragons/Ranger would be a great scum team now, considering that Here There Be Dragons really tried to make Klick who is pretty much confirmed town look like scum with a gambit and that Ranger's recent posts have a scummy mindset

pedit: yeah let's wagon Here There Be Dragons

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VOTE: Ranger

yeah idk about Here There Be Dragons being scum anymore

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that vote is E-2 btw

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a very low confidence scumread on WhemeStar is apparently a townread now...

note that my late Day 1 lead rist had WhemeStar as a scumread but just barely out of the PoE, note that Kitty Trauma Team was a nullread on that lead rist

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this is as opposed to Norwee being

top read

on the late Day 1 lead rist

WhemeStar was out of the PoE because I was thinking WhemeStar could be town despite my scumread, and I already had a PoE of 5 players anyway

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I mean yeah but in no way should my reads on WhemeStar and Norwee be considered equivalent - a scumread with a rising trend and leaving the PoE is not equivalent to a top read

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perhaps Ranger is just scum trying to lead the town

also I noticed Ranger tried to put Klick in the PoE assuming Norwee was targeted... scum claim am I right?

pedit: so you believe my reads on norwee and whemestar are equivalent because the trends from the early D1 to late D1 lead rists are about the same?

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also that means I apparently strongly scumread Ranger by your metric as my early D2 lead rist had Ranger as a medium confidence townread and now I'm voting Ranger

pedit: yeah... this is a reason why I scumread Ranger now

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yeah... Ranger is indeed scum

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yeah... Ranger's distortion of thoughts makes Ranger an excellent lim

pedit: yeah Ranger is at E-1 right now I believe

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yeah... Ranger's distortion of thoughts makes Ranger an excellent lim

To what distorted thoughts do you refer?

that entire bit about everyone townreading Whemestar and then explaining it away as everyone reading Whemestar as more towny late D1 is a good example of distorted thoughts

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but yeah I'm okay with a Ranger lim considering I only see a strange softclaim when Ranger is pretty much at E-1 with intent

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as in, extremely easy for scum to fake level of softclaim

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yeah idk

I still think Ranger is intent on controlling the town, and universal backup is a strange role to claim and privateer is trivially confirmable

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but yeah I really do not like Ranger's vibes at all to the point Ranger might as well have claimed garlabprelfig

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now I'm pretty sure you are intent on controlling the town

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congrats for proving you fakeclaimed a trivially confirmable role

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if anyone can hammer Ranger, please do so

Ranger is basically lockscum now and even if the claim is true the explanation reads as "scum trying to explain a fakeclaim"

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except you won't flip town because this isn't a bastard game and death godfather is not a possible role

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and you call me smug...

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oh wait I misread

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anyway, if anyone can hammer Ranger, please do so

Ranger's explanation for her UB claim sounds like scum trying to explain a fakeclaim when under pressure (E-1 with intent)

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here's a late day 2 lead rist as I sense the day is ending soon

[Town]

Klick - Pretty much confirmed town, also towny mindset
Enchant - Unlikely to be scum, however late Day 2 posts are pretty much NAI
NorwegianboyEE - Thoughtstreaming town mindset still, obvious town
Peregrine - quite towny indeed actually
Firebringer - Even townier than early Day 2
Doctor Drew - Day 2 posts still good
frogs - Late Day 2 posts are good actually...
Kitty Trauma Team - I want to scumread here for the Enchant interaction but I want to townread here for the genuine emotion, no posts since the early D2 lead rist
Here There Be Dragons - Same upward trend in towniness, currently reading as null
Emperor flippyNips - Theta Alpine flip suggests emperor flippynips is scum, not much content and the Day 2 posts are strange, No posts since the early D2 lead rist
Ranger - Lockscum, scummy mindset and scummy explanation for claim

[Scum]

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I'm wanting to end the day with either a Ranger or Flippy lim

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theta alpine was consistently townlean reading flippy, and flippy's lack of activity is extremely concerning

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oh and I townread frogs now, I really like frogs' recent posts

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I am willing to vote flippy but flippy is E-2 and inactive right now

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so flippy was at E-1 actually?

I kind of really want to see flippy post something, but I also kind of want to end the day

considering I'm not sure about ending the day, I will not hammer just yet.

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I mean I want Flippy to say something at all before hammering

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ideally I want something that indicates Flippy isn't scum, as Flippy's lack of content as well as the Theta flip is worth scumreading Flippy

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Oh I know, just not sure what TL is expecting out of Flippy.

On a side note, I did get a chuckle out of Ranger saying she would be back in 16 hours, what an oddly specific period of time to state you will be back lol.

A post, ideally one with reads and thoughts and maybe a claim

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it's more because theta was consistently giving you a townlean read

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so flippy is

mod-confirmed

a fruit vendor because of the Superstar modifier (which makes the attached role mod-confirmable)

yeah I still want to vote Ranger despite the lack of substance from Flippy, the Superstar reveal feels towny

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if anyone received fruit, please claim so now

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I don't want to unvote so I'll keep voting Ranger for now

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but emperor's claim is towny, so I can't scumread emperor anymore

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that claim feels like a true claim unlike Ranger's claim

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well, the superstar reveal is mod-confirmed, but the claim of holstering feels true

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well if the claim really was NAI flippy would still be a good vote

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Ranger thinks Klick is scum for some arcane reason...

Yeah I am keeping my vote on Ranger, Ranger is scum

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VOTE: Ranger

Is that a lim?

E-1 I believe

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yeah I'm not willing to vote Firebringer, Firebringer seems to be towny

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I currently scumread Ranger... and no one else.

I have nullreads on Here There Be Dragons and Emperor flippyNips, but I'd rather vote Dragons than Flippy if necessary to avoid no lim

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Congrats scum, you played well