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redFF · Post Post #12 (isolation #0) » Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:44 am

VOTE: the bulge funny name

redFF · Post Post #21 (isolation #1) » Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:00 am

@the bulge

Can you elaborate on the delta vote?

redFF · Post Post #75 (isolation #2) » Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:44 am

Traitor speculation is pointless

redFF · Post Post #76 (isolation #3) » Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:49 am

Nothing has pinged me yet

redFF · Post Post #84 (isolation #4) » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:45 am

VOTE: enchant in my experience enchant is usually scum

redFF · Post Post #90 (isolation #5) » Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:19 am

There cant be an SK in a mini normal

redFF · Post Post #117 (isolation #6) » Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:36 pm

VOTE: theta

Scummy posting

redFF · Post Post #121 (isolation #7) » Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:11 pm

redFF · Post Post #156 (isolation #8) » Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:33 pm

In post 154, Flavor Leaf wrote: RedFF and Enchant's ISO's are like exactly the same content wise. Not in a bad way, just short quips, clarification, setup spec meh.

Just funny.

short quips is all its gonna be so get used to it!

redFF · Post Post #158 (isolation #9) » Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:20 pm

Not defensive at all playa

redFF · Post Post #160 (isolation #10) » Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:44 pm

Idk man check the VC

redFF · Post Post #164 (isolation #11) » Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:21 pm

In post 162, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 117, redFF wrote: VOTE: theta

Scummy posting
Ah here we are.

Did you really forget who you are voting?

Who said i forgot

redFF · Post Post #216 (isolation #12) » Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:35 am

Prod receievd

redFF · Post Post #217 (isolation #13) » Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:36 am

Still think theta is a good lim

redFF · Post Post #222 (isolation #14) » Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:42 am

In post 220, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 208, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 181, Flavor Leaf wrote: Peaches. Get your peaches.
Hi bestie. What did you think so far of the game?

I have some thoughts, but I'm purposefully staying behind the lines for a minute because when I vote somewhere, the game's gonna likely lean that direction. It'll be hard for me to get natural reads in a bit.

There's definitely some I'm leaning scum right now.

huh? who are you leaning scum on

redFF · Post Post #334 (isolation #15) » Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:52 am

Sorry guys. I got really sick over the weekend.

redFF · Post Post #377 (isolation #16) » Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:00 am

Hi im here but i frankly dont have the time to read as i have a lot of work to catch up on due to my being sick. Maybe i will have an hour or so tonight i cant say for sure as i am going to the jai paul concert (one of the bredren)
Im not sure ill even have time tomorrow but ill keep an eye on the thread periodacly to ensure we lim someone before day end

redFF · Post Post #380 (isolation #17) » Wed Apr 26, 2023 8:41 am

He played his first concert at coachella last weekend and hes playing 2 nyc shows this week and 2 in london in a couple weeks. I coudlnt go last night cause i had a work thing but am going tonight!

Real. Hits. Only.

redFF · Post Post #384 (isolation #18) » Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:27 pm

Im caught up. Funnily enough id be fine with any of the 3 leading wagons being limmed at this stage. 3 scummiest players in the game id say.

Flavorleaf i didnt like at first but his softclaim and posting style has won me over so he is my biggest town read.

I also think dr drew feels town here.

Hu tao and bristep can be town leans too.

redFF · Post Post #401 (isolation #19) » Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:48 am

In post 394, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 384, redFF wrote: Im caught up. Funnily enough id be fine with any of the 3 leading wagons being limmed at this stage. 3 scummiest players in the game id say.

Flavorleaf i didnt like at first but his softclaim and posting style has won me over so he is my biggest town read.

I also think dr drew feels town here.

Hu tao and bristep can be town leans too.
What have I done for you to think I could be town?

Gut and this post reinforces it

redFF · Post Post #416 (isolation #20) » Thu Apr 27, 2023 4:11 pm

VOTE: mewtaph

E1

redFF · Post Post #470 (isolation #21) » Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:45 pm

I did not target bulge

redFF · Post Post #478 (isolation #22) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:35 am

In post 464, Deltabreedy wrote: The Mew wagon developed stupid quick with people just hopping on with what felt like very little progression - do you not agree?

Eh. He was scummy enough for a day 1 lim.

redFF · Post Post #479 (isolation #23) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:38 am

In post 462, Deltabreedy wrote: Ninja'd: why are we playing Flavour's game here? Like I just don't see why you're blindly following it - if they clicked their fingers and ask would you leap off a cliff too?

I find it hard to see the scum motivation for FL claiming this here out of the blue. So im willing to go along with him.

redFF · Post Post #503 (isolation #24) » Sun Apr 30, 2023 10:24 am

In post 502, Enchant wrote: IDTVB

What does this mean

redFF · Post Post #603 (isolation #25) » Mon May 01, 2023 3:59 am

FL why did you target bulge

redFF · Post Post #604 (isolation #26) » Mon May 01, 2023 4:00 am

Theres really no reason to believe anything FL says, hes probably a VT. That being said, enchant looks to have fallen into the trap

redFF · Post Post #605 (isolation #27) » Mon May 01, 2023 4:06 am

VOTE: enchant

redFF · Post Post #679 (isolation #28) » Wed May 03, 2023 2:13 pm

Hey. Im a jailkeeper. Figured id claim since the enabler died. Not sure how common a cross alignment enabler is. Im vanilla now obviously.

redFF · Post Post #693 (isolation #29) » Wed May 03, 2023 3:57 pm

In post 688, Doctor Drew wrote: Red, are you mod confirmed that you cannot use your ability anymore?

Yes.

I jk delta n1

redFF · Post Post #696 (isolation #30) » Wed May 03, 2023 4:04 pm

Damn. Enchant got owned lol

redFF · Post Post #712 (isolation #31) » Thu May 04, 2023 4:56 am

Theta came out the gates looking town today i gotta admit

redFF · Post Post #714 (isolation #32) » Thu May 04, 2023 6:08 am

VOTE: delta

redFF · Post Post #720 (isolation #33) » Thu May 04, 2023 9:17 am

UNVOTE: not ready to get rid of anyone just yet

redFF · Post Post #775 (isolation #34) » Sat May 06, 2023 2:30 am

Dont replace me im here

redFF · Post Post #776 (isolation #35) » Sat May 06, 2023 2:30 am

Who are we lim today

redFF · Post Post #786 (isolation #36) » Sat May 06, 2023 7:00 am

i claimed because i figured a scum enabler to my role would be sus, i assumed enablers were usually of the same alignment, so i figured claiming now rather than it coming out later was the best move.

redFF · Post Post #787 (isolation #37) » Sat May 06, 2023 7:00 am

i claimed because i figured a scum enabler to my role would be sus, i assumed enablers were usually of the same alignment, so i figured claiming now rather than it coming out later was the best move.

redFF · Post Post #788 (isolation #38) » Sat May 06, 2023 7:01 am

In post 783, Deltabreedy wrote: I don't trust Red's claim.

Here's why:

Knowing what we know now, #75 reads more like Scum!RedFF pushing away from traitor discussion. At the time justifiably so, so I think it went under the radar a bit - but in retrospect and aligning with the rest of their play it kind of makes sense.

Votes on Enchant and Theta in #84 and #117 have minimal justification but provide a degree of 'activity' without actually including any genuine scumhunting. This is then justified when FL challenges it in #154 where from there it does turn defensive. This gets called out but again their lack of activity after this means that they go pretty un-noticed.

In #222 there is another odd interaction with FL, wherein the prior interaction had shown FL to be doing some digging around Red's defensive posturing, but I think Red feigns ignorance in response to Flavour's admittedly quite coded posting. It reads to me as more of a vibe check - 'Who are you leaning scum on?' here =
Do you think I am scum?

Then there is effectively a 4 day period of inactivity. A few prod dodges that don't advance the game whilst ill - I don't count being ill as AI, of course - but returning to the game saying 'I got really sick over the weekend' when the inactivity was from Tues 23rd (#222) to Thurs 25th (#334 doesn't check out at all. Again, I feel this went relatively un-noticed. Lurking into the background has worked for Red and it's only really after the opportunistic vote on me and then the 3rd prod that I woke up and saw it.

#384 continues this trend of non-justified wagonpushing. At this point they're on Theta's wagon - and taking the assumption that Theta is town, Red would be keen on pushing this in bad faith, knowing who scum are. Being fine with all three wagons without actually having any reasoning behind them, not even spoken about vibes is inherently scummy to me - it might just be a playstyle thing but it also fits in with the rest of the gameplay so far.

Voting Mewtaph (Confirmed town by way of death) to E-1 without justification in #416 (coming after Mewtaph has called out RedFF for lurking in #3600 feels like Lurk!Scum looking for an easy way to A) Push a mislim and B) Push someone who suspects them out. By being so distant and in the background - from memory no-body connected this dot D2.

The justification for the Mew wagon from Red comes in D2, but again with nothing of substance to back it up. #478 reads as an attempt to move past it and move past any kind of VCA - and to be honest for me it worked. I didn't even clock thinking about it until now. By being aware of who scum is - Red can play along quite easily with FL's claim - which of course by way of death we know to be true. #479 curries favour with FL who Scum!Red would know to be powerful town and justifies the actions subsequently.

The big issue I have with this is the JK claim.

None of Red's actions feel like they have the goal of advancing the gamestate, or even finding scum. I don't read any willingness to find and lim scum from any of their posts - there's barely-existent questioning, a sense of complete apathy and to be honest if it wasn't for the claim, on a re-read I would have them absolutely locked as scum. Naked votes, opportunistic chances to put people at E-1 being taken - I just don't read Red's ISO or the associatives with Enchant and see anything other than scum.

The existance of the JK-enabler role is the literal only thing that slices up the argument and I'm having a real hard time getting past it.

Someone tell me I'm being an idiot here, but I'm really struggling with this one.

--

I also take issue with Alianna and Hu Tao for some of the same reasons, but I want players to audit my thought process above first.

Ninja'd by 4+ posts - will respond in new post.

what a bunch of hogwash

redFF · Post Post #789 (isolation #39) » Sat May 06, 2023 7:13 am

so if we have town as
delta
theta
kitty
myself

then i'd also add as people i read as town
alianna
bristep

then my lim pool today is
drew
emperor
hutao

redFF · Post Post #790 (isolation #40) » Sat May 06, 2023 7:16 am

i really don't feel we should lim delta or theta on the off chance they are traitor, we should try and lim scum

redFF · Post Post #791 (isolation #41) » Sat May 06, 2023 7:17 am

VOTE: hutao i dont like his reaction to my claim today

redFF · Post Post #843 (isolation #42) » Sat May 06, 2023 4:26 pm

In post 839, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 787, redFF wrote: i claimed because i figured a scum enabler to my role would be sus, i assumed enablers were usually of the same alignment, so i figured claiming now rather than it coming out later was the best move.
Enablers can be of a different alignment as negative feedback, to kneecap a faction when it gets ahead.

makes sense

redFF · Post Post #857 (isolation #43) » Sun May 07, 2023 5:16 am

In post 855, Hu Tao wrote: I suggest going elsewhere for today. I feel the wagon on me is silly when I was town read by people voting me yesterday and the case on me is that scum probably bussed.

like where? emp?

redFF · Post Post #873 (isolation #44) » Sun May 07, 2023 12:44 pm

redFF · Post Post #874 (isolation #45) » Sun May 07, 2023 12:45 pm

those posts from emp...is this checked out town or scum trying too hard to seem like checked out town

redFF · Post Post #898 (isolation #46) » Wed May 10, 2023 1:08 am

Whatsup guys.

Delta and theta are cleared from being groupscum, they could still be traitor.

If we lim all groupscum, the game ends, even if the traitor is still alive.

Tracker should claim.

redFF · Post Post #899 (isolation #47) » Wed May 10, 2023 1:09 am

Wait, maybe we should MC?

redFF · Post Post #900 (isolation #48) » Wed May 10, 2023 1:10 am

Its 5-2 rn. We lim town here we are in 3-2 lylo tomorrow.

redFF · Post Post #905 (isolation #49) » Wed May 10, 2023 2:51 am

I probably owe this game a reread. I took friday off work for zelda so ill have a long weekend with some time.

I have alianna as town too, and bristep, so im between drew and emp rn. But i will try to reread.

redFF · Post Post #913 (isolation #50) » Wed May 10, 2023 5:19 am

Emperor should claim

redFF · Post Post #935 (isolation #51) » Wed May 10, 2023 12:34 pm

In post 924, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 921, Deltabreedy wrote:
@Mod:

V/LA for 30-ish hours from now.

Do we still have any claims outstanding? Don't think we've seen a flippy one.

@Alianna & Drew

To be honest I don't know what to make of the roles this game. I can't say it's something to rule out and I don't think a same-team watcher/watcher-enabler would count as bastard.

That said, there's been a trend for scum enablers to town PRs so it would be a bit of a stretch to suggest a scum watcher, in my opinion.

Again, we're missing claims so I feel pretty out of my depth when it comes to the massclaim.
I am saying that Alianna claiming watcher doesn't mean she is a watcher, especially after we just had a flip of watcher-enabler.

i was thinking about this. I originally claimed cause i figured it would look bad me being a role enabled by scum, so i should claim asap. Def dont think having a pr enabled by scum makes u conftown.

redFF · Post Post #936 (isolation #52) » Wed May 10, 2023 12:34 pm

Emp should claim tho

redFF · Post Post #945 (isolation #53) » Thu May 11, 2023 3:47 am

Feel like emp->bristep ends it but it cant be that easy right?

redFF · Post Post #1316 (isolation #54) » Tue May 16, 2023 6:34 am

In post 1295, Hu Tao wrote: Enchant didn't make the kill by the way, I did as ninja. So he claimed he visited the night kill for no reason.... and we basically lost because of it

Based

redFF · Post Post #1317 (isolation #55) » Tue May 16, 2023 6:36 am