Mafia 2301: Angels and Demons (Game Over)

[GrandpaMo]

eh everyone pivot off demona they are handeling the pressure very well more than i expected

time TO PIVOT TO VOTE: imaginality FOR TOWNREADING ME DAY 1 THATS SCUM AF GOGOGOGOGO

[GrandpaMo]

eh everyone pivot off demona they are handeling the pressure very well more than i expected

time TO PIVOT TO VOTE: imaginality FOR TOWNREADING ME DAY 1 THATS SCUM AF GOGOGOGOGO

Grandpa doesn't want to be recruited apparently.

And Demona, you phished for info....that is scummy behavior.

And I would argue that getting super defensive off of one vote on page 1 is not handling pressure well.....not to mention the ate.

ngl drew, demona reminds me of me when im town lol . they might be new and them defending a vote and u pushing them is obviously going to get them to be defensive. think about it from their perspective, u vote them, they question ur vote and then they just joke and play around then 3 people like question them the same thing. this jsut looks like newb!town defense. ik they might be doing this as scum but i highly doubt it especially if they are a newer person.

[GrandpaMo]

I don't negotiate with terrorists.

But, ya know, you could not lose your mind over a vote on the third post of the game and make it all about yourself. You can easily just ignore ol tunnely asshole Drew and forward the game how you see fit.

Or you can try to climb up the ladder of who I will recruit tonight.

i am not a terrorist and i do not feel as though i am losing my mind about this, i just do not know how to address things and like

like i know your read of me is wrong and i do not have anyway to sort you outside of that so far and if you are town, or imaginality or biancospino, it seems important to me for you to see that because i know your views of the game are also wrong, and i would also prefer to get all of this out of the way up front because it just leads to more and more time wasted for all of you on maybe demona is a scums! if not addressed and such

but i will try to maybe take a step back and maybe focus on other things as to not 'make it all about myself' and whatnot, like i even knew this would be the criticism of my play here i have done this song and dance before, i just don't know how to avoid it and also correct everyone's views of the games i guess

sorry

god i love u. ur just exactly like me when i fake AtE as town. i got u bud

[GrandpaMo]

eh everyone pivot off demona they are handeling the pressure very well more than i expected

time TO PIVOT TO VOTE: imaginality FOR TOWNREADING ME DAY 1 THATS SCUM AF GOGOGOGOGO

Grandpa doesn't want to be recruited apparently.

And Demona, you phished for info....that is scummy behavior.

And I would argue that getting super defensive off of one vote on page 1 is not handling pressure well.....not to mention the ate.

i disagree in principle that that is scummy behaviour as can be seen from literally any game i have ever played in

and yesyes i know see:

then the person pushing saying i am 'overly defensive' or something like that because i do not know how to sort the person pushing other than to continue to engage them and then that is portrayed as me only caring about reads on me and so forth and so on

i could have easily scripted your side of this interaction

shh if im gonna help u, i need u to stop talking about this. lets move on from this pointless interaction that is getting no where!

[GrandpaMo]

also i do have like a post restriction. i wont out yet what it is

[GrandpaMo]

ngl drew, demona reminds me of me when im town lol . they might be new and them defending a vote and u pushing them is obviously going to get them to be defensive. think about it from their perspective, u vote them, they question ur vote and then they just joke and play around then 3 people like question them the same thing. this jsut looks like newb!town defense. ik they might be doing this as scum but i highly doubt it especially if they are a newer person.

well, uh, i am not new, or at least not particularly new, i have played 60ish games on site

oh thats awkward. are u an alt?

[GrandpaMo]

somewhat recent-ish bastard games i have played in

i designed this setup in 2019 as andrée
achromatic calamity as anahit
slaughter hour as ulyana
radio buzz as rousseau
silent star royalty as team rocket queen

@Mo. Didn't you read the game?

oh damn lol im so smart

anways um DISREGARD EVERYTHING I SAID ABOUT DEMONA, they are back to null now -- i understand both perspectives. shit i have bias.

[GrandpaMo]

I was starting to feel bad that I was targeting a newbie just trying to get their feet wet and I should allow them to settle in, but nope not the case apparently.

You are E-2, your only concern here seems like self preservation. Do you really think you will suddenly get two lol votes on you?

on a serious note,, yea thats what I thought too lol tgats why they are a null for now because idk how to figure out someone who is copying what I do on both alignments LOL

[GrandpaMo]

Listen, I think you were trying to get extra information out of people to help you along, imo scum would be the ones to benefit the most out of that, ergo....I think you are scum.

But as Granpa said this is going in circles, my vote will stay on you, but in the interest of moving things along a bit.....

What are your opinions on the votes/voters on you after me? I know you touched on it a little, but curious on how serious or jokey you think they are?

yes, that would be the fundamental disagreement - i think scums are likely to already have additional information and thus towns would benefit more from theorizing and! scums could potentially be found through how they approached discussions as well as in theory we might be able to tell the difference between informed speculation and uninformed speculation though in practice i dunno how good i might be at that particular aspect

biancospino felt like, from the way she was questioning also that she may have thought it might be more beneficial to scums as well, or that she saw that that is what you may have been saying, dunno how serious altogether - there was also the cult bit included but at the very least felt like she may have been exploring beyond that

imaginality i dunno, like thinking about the grandpamo line in his post makes it seem possible that his vote was an extension of that logic, like grandpamo isn’t posting a lot but demona seems to be! which like, ehh, still seems an odd time to make the grandpamo read to me since could have simply not seen thread yet so possible trying to plant that thought amongst others but also possibly just unrelated thoughts in same post and also joking cult thing again

like it makes it harder to weigh these things for me when players might just be thinking ‘well i think wagons are beneficial to sorting so i joined’ or things like that because you’re encouraging them to join, shrug

and then whemestar i am not even sure if whemestar is saying they just object to anyone posting large amounts or if they’re saying it’s scummy - it seems possible to me that whemestar is following up on potential imaginality logic or reading between the lines to seeing there is a potential angle to be made of posting a lot = scum but also could be ‘i think all games should be geriatric’ thus my attempted questioning of but, !

this just feels ingenuous but fabricated at the same time

[GrandpaMo]

@grandpamo

i don’t want to copy paste the whole thing on mobile but what about it feels fabricated? like that’s how i am viewing those posts right now and there isn’t a lot to go off of

unless you just think it contrasts stylistically with my earlier posts which would likely just be because of phone and such

also don’t understand how you think I am ‘copying’ you - i am not very familiar with how you play not even sure i have read the entirety of a game you were in and unless you are an alt i have been playing here longer than you have and i don’t feel as though i have made any conscious adjustments to my play here

lol fabricated in terms it comes from non geninune mindset. idk if thats town or scum. im having a hard time reading u because ur probably doing the same thing as me -- thats why im saying you're copying me. im not saying youre doing it on purpose its more of a joke.

be honest with me, did you exaggerate any of your AtE at all to seem towny so you can be more town cred? are you wanting to recieve towncred right now? this doesnt mean ur scum, because i do the same thing lol as town. just be honest with me it will help me read u better.

[GrandpaMo]

I am going to try and backread all these posts when I’m on computer

dont its gonna waste ur time. its literally just drew pushing demona because they are being oddly interogative early in the game and AtE after pressured and going back in circles

[GrandpaMo]

@grandpamo

i mean, i am frustrated by being scumread again for being me, that’s literally all it feels like from my perspective, like ‘this behaviour is scummy’ even if it is demonstrably true of me always

but could i have just not posted my frustrations? yes, when the game no longer feels like a game i generally shut down and stop playing, and if the game was upsetting me to the extent that my ate was an unavoidable outcome I wouldn’t post, like i have no interest in becoming a game ruining presence

and of course the purpose of all my posts is to be townread, i have said plenty of times i think one of the very most important things to do as town, if not the very most important, is to not be miseliminated

but i understand that that is also among scums goals so like i am not asking people to not sort me and such i am just encouraging everyone to do what they can to actually sort me because i am town here and the things i am being scumread for are personality/playstyle things

but i would like for them to do so upfront because it wastes alot of time otherwise and also distracts me from the rest of the game like i get that’s a failing on my part but i dunno how to fix it

ur not answering my question. my question was a yes or no question. please answer it concisely. and also does this mean u admit that when drew voted u, u got frustrated? is that how your playstyle is, getting frustrated when people come at u? or are u getting frustrated when people come at u because ur being ur interogative/ate person.

[GrandpaMo]

@grandpamo

i mean, i am frustrated by being scumread again for being me, that’s literally all it feels like from my perspective, like ‘this behaviour is scummy’ even if it is demonstrably true of me always

but could i have just not posted my frustrations? yes, when the game no longer feels like a game i generally shut down and stop playing, and if the game was upsetting me to the extent that my ate was an unavoidable outcome I wouldn’t post, like i have no interest in becoming a game ruining presence

and of course the purpose of all my posts is to be townread, i have said plenty of times i think one of the very most important things to do as town, if not the very most important, is to not be miseliminated

but i understand that that is also among scums goals so like i am not asking people to not sort me and such i am just encouraging everyone to do what they can to actually sort me because i am town here and the things i am being scumread for are personality/playstyle things

but i would like for them to do so upfront because it wastes alot of time otherwise and also distracts me from the rest of the game like i get that’s a failing on my part but i dunno how to fix it

ur not answering my question. my question was a yes or no question. please answer it concisely. and also does this mean u admit that when drew voted u, u got frustrated? is that how your playstyle is, getting frustrated when people come at u? or are u getting frustrated when people come at u because ur being ur interogative/ate person.

should have put ‘not concise’ on my bingo card as well,

your question is whether i am ‘playing up’ the ate, yes? which i feel i answered, like i am to some extent if you want to view it that way, i am certainly capable of making different posts than the ones i have made so far so that being the content i have provided is by choice to some extent, minus the time constraints for me actually making posts

but it isn’t fake,

and yes i was frustrated by doctor drew voting for me instead of trying to determine if what was pinging him was coming from scum or just from someone who thinks differently than he does, and also maybe that it then also cuts off the discussion i would have rather had and replaces it with ‘demona is a scums! vote for it!’ which is, uh, less enjoyable and less productive yeah

i generally do not get frustrated with those scumreading me if i can see how they got there and understand why they are weighing it the way they are or! if i am reasonably sure they are a scums

but is it like, uncommon for me to get frustrated? nah

its ok heres a hug <3

ur just like me lol

[GrandpaMo]

anyways i think this counts for a serious vote right here

VOTE: Biancospino

[GrandpaMo]

Oh no two GranpaMo's.....I am gonna have to recruit the best of the best to counter that.

Also a vote on Bianco, ok now we are getting spicy.

ikr also can u stop like fakeclaiming and rlly claim ur greedy exec role that ur target is demona

[GrandpaMo]

new grandpa meta: post a lot when pressure is on u and exaggerate and fake some AtE as town

[GrandpaMo]

6) If you don't get a majority before the deadline, that's just too bad.

@mod what happens? no one dies is that what its implying?

[GrandpaMo]

can we hammer bianco

they are either negative utility 3rd party or scum

like im certain

[GrandpaMo]

I’m sheeping you

no be my sheep. im the one who helped u smh

[GrandpaMo]

Imaginalty, what do you think about Grandpa's vote on Bianco?

Initial votes with no reasoning I'm fine with this early on. But the way others piled on to it looks pretty bad.

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

@CSF you were concerned about the speed of demona's wagon, what do you think about this one?

I think there is always mafia between CSF and bianco

[GrandpaMo]

lolol no one can meta read my right im like different every game with a different alignment

[GrandpaMo]

because, well, towns do sometimes make things up

and based on my limited interactions, grandpamo does seem more like than some, or maybe even most to make up a post restriction as town to me

of course not as likely as, say, hectic

but more likely than most yeah

i bet u do this as well

[GrandpaMo]

Demona and grandpa mo have way to many posts

VOTE: Demona

I’m sorry you made like 10 posts in response of Drew’s vote it’s to much

Yes grandpa also posted to much

Yeah this can be scum

a town person faking a post restriction in this game has no effect on the game state nor on the players so I don't see how it would be anti town, it just makes u either believe me more or believe me less. if im using that post restriction to push a specific agenda or platform then it could be antitown . however I have not done that yet -- like u said I don't see the upside of me claiming a post restriction -- both alignments can have it , it's NAI so let's stop talking biut it !

[GrandpaMo]

Biancospino, do you wish to claim?

VOTE: GrandpaMo

For sake of bigger wagons. No strong inclination on Greeting.

???

Is Greeting scummy?

also while i do not think greeting is scummy i guess i do not see why grandpamo is scummy either

but wagons etc

Mo can be town. But. The urge to hammer, then s wantsme want biancoto claim for theyre in range.

I might vote between imaginality and wheme for now. Grreeting total null, can swing both ways.

VOTE: Whemestar

Are you on board with a biancospino hammer?

hell no hell no hell no . these series of quotes look so bad for u @ phir. going from questioning biancospinos claim at e1e2 votes, the person to who i initiated the wagon on and then proceed to vote me ??? then proceed to say I could be town for the urge to hammer but you were questioning their claim on the wagon I STARTED??!?!

VOTE: Phir

[GrandpaMo]

Why did Mo's earlier psosts also feel ober the top theatrical to me? Like watching a dimensionally disjointed broahway show like I feel these are crafted emotions sort of but like can it be from jolly town?

Prickly town?

Idek

ur just continuing to explain my lovely playstyle!!!

[GrandpaMo]

Biancospino, do you wish to claim?

VOTE: GrandpaMo

For sake of bigger wagons. No strong inclination on Greeting.

???

Is Greeting scummy?

also while i do not think greeting is scummy i guess i do not see why grandpamo is scummy either

but wagons etc

Mo can be town. But. The urge to hammer, then s wantsme want biancoto claim for theyre in range.

I might vote between imaginality and wheme for now. Grreeting total null, can swing both ways.

VOTE: Whemestar

Are you on board with a biancospino hammer?

hell no hell no hell no . these series of quotes look so bad for u @ phir. going from questioning biancospinos claim at e1e2 votes, the person to who i initiated the wagon on and then proceed to vote me ??? then proceed to say I could be town for the urge to hammer but you were questioning their claim on the wagon I STARTED??!?!

VOTE: Phir

Ths is nonsenscial and frnakly reads like fake outrage.

Im happy with towncore.

Meh on bianco tbh. Imag might be town. Guess we need to hear from wheme. Need to lookit mo.

we are never voting me here btw. if you think bianco is more townier than me u
thats just comical.

what I said was sensical and ur just mad I exposed u!!

[GrandpaMo]

? yes scums are likely more informed about the mechanics i agree i have played a few bastard games before and moderated others but uh, town also motivated to figure out the mechanics, or at least, this town

Mech spec is good and all, but how do you suggest we should go on about figuring the mechs on page 1? There is nothing to go on about, so any guess rn will be either garbage; or informed by one's pm, which we shouldn't incentive to be outed just because

Whoever joins the Demona wagon with me will get recruited over night.

VOTE: Demona
I'll bring the incense and the sacrificial goat

Wtf is this

can we hammer bianco

they are either negative utility 3rd party or scum

like im certain

Lol, towlocked.

And @Meuh, yes, it's basically the same thing Grandpa did in chatGPT.

Bianco is a better wagon than myko I reckon

And that seems like a bit of a stretch to call Gmo and Demona connected.

It wasn't like a super serious read, just something for me to look back on and think about if either ever flip scum

I don't think is likely that CSF is scum if both Mo and Demona are town. Otherwise that would be a pretty useless thing to note.

VOTE: Wheme, should be E-2

I thought it obvious but the difference between drew and bianco here is that bianoc is acting like a scum sheep , they try to soft push demona and vote them and then they get off demona with no further context and reason. they don't explain nothing

and also them townresding me for that reason? can't be

[GrandpaMo]

anyways my post restriction is coming up so ima be coasting

[GrandpaMo]

Still at work, but Demona is really growing on me.

demona is town but they are starting to be an inconvenience. I rlly can now see how I used to be like this omg. demona this has nothing to do wit u as a person-- ur probably amazing but this playstyle is unique... unique to me and I have a lot of bias

[GrandpaMo]

I thought it obvious but the difference between drew and bianco here is that bianoc is acting like a scum sheep , they try to soft push demona and vote them and then they get off demona with no further context and reason. they don't explain nothing

and also them townresding me for that reason? can't be

With your take that bianco soft-pushed demona before hopping off, are you saying demona is bianco's scumbuddy?

Cos I don't see that.

If not explaining stuff is scummy come join me on the whemestar wagon.

there is a difference wheme does this to do this and is obviously doing it intentional while bianco looks like they are just tryna follow the current agenda in this case Drew pushing demona, they found an opportunity they could utilize so they did.... but then... they happen to never discuss demona ever again as one of their main read. I don't believe it was rvs vote either mistake me if I. wrong

[GrandpaMo]

With your take that bianco soft-pushed demona before hopping off, are you saying demona is bianco's scumbuddy?

alsoalso i am pretty sure this is not what grandpamo was saying there,

i think he's simply saying that the act of pushing me but not hard committing in anyway and then abandoning it altogether when the wagon no longer seemed viable was scummy,

like seeing the pressure from doctor drew, biancospino may have felt it was an opportunity, and then when it was no longer an opportunity biancospino abandoned

which maybe i could see, yeah, though it also seems quite possible that by the time biancospino returned to the thread she felt it was apparent i was town and didn't feel the need to comment upon

also maybe worth noting that i had a similar feeling about grandpamo at one point, like when grandpamo said i was likely newb!town and then when told i was not new he put me back to null and it kinda felt like maybe he was hoping for someone else to then join the wagon, but idk,

hard committing to me being town under conditions that were already known to be false due to previous posts in the thread and then walking it back is kinda hm yeah

pedit: i appreciate the frequency of votecounts (and faust)!

demona its ok. ur still in my head -- I gave reasons why I put u on null and put u back in town and etc and I even was defending u ! that's the difference bianco didn't do that and still had a motive to push u as scum at one point and now all of a sudden thats not the case?

[GrandpaMo]

Dammit, I am getting all tinfoily about GMo and Demona.

I am starting to think that GMo just spews associatives as town or scum.

don't u townread me. when have I never not done this as both alignments LOL

[GrandpaMo]

I have like 20 posts left until sum big happens lol

[GrandpaMo]

Biancospino, do you wish to claim?

VOTE: GrandpaMo

For sake of bigger wagons. No strong inclination on Greeting.

???

Is Greeting scummy?

also while i do not think greeting is scummy i guess i do not see why grandpamo is scummy either

but wagons etc

Mo can be town. But. The urge to hammer, then s wantsme want biancoto claim for theyre in range.

I might vote between imaginality and wheme for now. Grreeting total null, can swing both ways.

VOTE: Whemestar

Are you on board with a biancospino hammer?

hell no hell no hell no . these series of quotes look so bad for u @ phir. going from questioning biancospinos claim at e1e2 votes, the person to who i initiated the wagon on and then proceed to vote me ??? then proceed to say I could be town for the urge to hammer but you were questioning their claim on the wagon I STARTED??!?!

VOTE: Phir

Ths is nonsenscial and frnakly reads like fake outrage.

Im happy with towncore.

Meh on bianco tbh. Imag might be town. Guess we need to hear from wheme. Need to lookit mo.

we are never voting me here btw. if you think bianco is more townier than me u
thats just comical.

what I said was sensical and ur just mad I exposed u!!

Telling me this makes me want the challenge. Am I capable of pushing Grandppamo ober? Can I achieve that? Maybe I should. You do invite me. And yourgote on me s getting pess and less coherent as u try and.... catch me?

I'm still sire if you're town we won'tbesad to lo lose your role.

Mo votes me, then says mevoting em means im thinking bianco more green?

Althis after mo comes inwith what reads to me like a seizure vote on me.

Honestly if mo is town, this level of non involvement, surface level hunting, 'you'll never get me limmed nyaaah' and'e eryone is scummy cos if I call em scummy end of story'isnt town equitable rn.

Mo u want me to start pushing hard or u wanna start xplaining yourself?

I'll decide my strat re :u later.

phir im sorry to say this but ur playing like confident scum -- thinking everyone is gonna agree with you because no one has pressured u except for me and you think u can just silence me. but u won't silence me anytime soon bud ...

also I don't feel like wasting my posts on u anymore because I already have explained myself to u multiple times. im sure others understand so ask them , therr was someone else that saw the same thing i pointed out I believe eit was imsginilty question them because I don't feel like repeating myself on a PHONE. trust me im very capable u should see my games but um im on a phone rn and shit has been difficult anyways wait till I get back or just ask someone else

[GrandpaMo]

Trying to silence someone seems like a bad idea, I'd argue even more so if you suspect him. In fact, wasting his posts like this is basically handing him a free pass to lurk no? Which would be a complete loss of readability

grandpamo said 'something big happens' not that he can no longer post once his posts are exhausted

i guess i wonder what are town reasons you can think of for grandpamo seemingly wanting that to occur later in the game, after an elimination even (an elimination grandpamo currently wants to be on you), that grandpamo wouldn't just simply reveal?

Eh, Phir specifically said that he'd want to

silence

Mo, so what is the big happening exactly is mostly irrelevant to Phir's state of mind.
And I'm sure there are plenty of reason one can concoct; just off the top of my head, a Doomed Innocent Shifter would work. Maybe even just a Doomed Townie that don't want to claim for some reason.

Also, @Demona, I suspect Mo may not like your professed aversion for e-1s. Mo likely wants this day to end fast after all

surprisingly not... I just want demona to stop demona to stop cluttering the thread with questions that don't progress the game nor help anyone. I checked their past games they don't do this a lot so why this game?

[GrandpaMo]

surprisingly not... I just want demona to stop demona to stop cluttering the thread with questions that don't progress the game nor help anyone. I checked their past games they don't do this a lot so why this game?

they help me, shrug, and also i don't really think this is necessarily true of my past games or at least not of my recent past games though i don't really think it's cluttering the thread, but i do have more time in the mornings right now than usual because on leave for the summer and also! if others were posting more my presence would be less comparatively but it feels like alot of players are absent

and that then compounds itself because i do not have a reason to want to minimise my presence here and i am town, so! i wonder why that is the state of the game and am anxious about it (and just in general but that's not game relevant)

i realized its best to not care about what other players are doing absent or not. I realized that if I wanted to be townread... I didnt have to force long responses or try to look towny... your town nature will eventually characterize you by the way you are -- by the unconscious mindset of town and how you say,approach, and do things.

this is probably what is going to happen --

right now, I doubt anyone is reading your entirety of posts, you will eventually get scrumrwad, then you will eventually get into this whole AtE thing, and people will just back off from u because of ur AtE and not having the will to engage with an active player like u .

drew was a test run of that. and ik this because that's how I used to play.

also link me to a game where you are doing this -- posting long walls, asking self and interrogative questions and playing up to some AtE.

[GrandpaMo]

Demona and grandpa mo have way to many posts

VOTE: Demona

I’m sorry you made like 10 posts in response of Drew’s vote it’s to much

Yes grandpa also posted to much

Yeah this can be scum

a town person faking a post restriction in this game has no effect on the game state nor on the players so I don't see how it would be anti town, it just makes u either believe me more or believe me less. if im using that post restriction to push a specific agenda or platform then it could be antitown . however I have not done that yet -- like u said I don't see the upside of me claiming a post restriction -- both alignments can have it , it's NAI so let's stop talking biut it !

I think a townie unnecessarily lying is anti-town but this is a pointless argument either way
Why did you quote that post though? Was that an accident cause I don’t see the link lol

post restriction isn't anti town lol ... its only anti town if it affects the whole game state and im using it to like push a certain agenda. what different if I wasn't doing a post restriction for example? im still playing to my wincon.

anyways I think so because I'm on mobile and its hard to quote and allat

[GrandpaMo]

Demona and grandpa mo have way to many posts

VOTE: Demona

I’m sorry you made like 10 posts in response of Drew’s vote it’s to much

Yes grandpa also posted to much

Yeah this can be scum

a town person faking a post restriction in this game has no effect on the game state nor on the players so I don't see how it would be anti town, it just makes u either believe me more or believe me less. if im using that post restriction to push a specific agenda or platform then it could be antitown . however I have not done that yet -- like u said I don't see the upside of me claiming a post restriction -- both alignments can have it , it's NAI so let's stop talking biut it !

I think a townie unnecessarily lying is anti-town but this is a pointless argument either way
Why did you quote that post though? Was that an accident cause I don’t see the link lol

post restriction isn't anti town lol ... its only anti town if it affects the whole game state and im using it to like push a certain agenda. what different if I wasn't doing a post restriction for example? im still playing to my wincon.

anyways I think so because I'm on mobile and its hard to quote and allat

Pointless argument and also not really what my point was

kk also what makes u vote csf? I also had the same series of progression on phir

[GrandpaMo]

right now, I doubt anyone is reading your entirety of posts, you will eventually get scrumrwad, then you will eventually get into this whole AtE thing, and people will just back off from u because of ur AtE and not having the will to engage with an active player like u .

it seems possible to me that some players are not reading the entirety of my posts, though i do not think it's too much for me to ask for them to read them this game, and if anyone has any trouble following them or anything i am certainly willing to answer any questions regarding,

if you want to see what my posts might look like if i didn't want others to read them look at these posts from day one of silent star lunacy when i was a werewolf (as drusilla obviously)

1011
1313

however, uh, i do not think your description there is necessarily how this game will play out, like it has certainly happened, the slaughter hour game i linked earlier is a good example of that, but often i am fairly apparently town to everyone and then i am nightkilled as town, or scums leave me alive and i play as more or less an innocent child

also link me to a game where you are doing this -- posting long walls, asking self and interrogative questions and playing up to some AtE.

here is my iso from my most recent completed game, a newbie i replaced into:

newbie 2121 inutile iso

which was played under the same conditions as this game for me

I forgot to clarify that this is how usually people read u when they don't initially understand. when u have atleadt ONE person to understand it changes everything for example, me. u either become hard town or hard scum there is no in between. if u are hard town >> it will follow what u told me in ur post u get acted like either innocent child or scum keeps u alive to play with u or u get pushed for not being understood which happened already this game.

if you are scum, same shit will happen as above. this playstyle is GRANDPAMETA

[GrandpaMo]

I forgot to clarify that this is how usually people read u when they don't initially understand. when u have atleadt ONE person to understand it changes everything for example, me. u either become hard town or hard scum there is no in between. if u are hard town >> it will follow what u told me in ur post u get acted like either innocent child or scum keeps u alive to play with u or u get pushed for not being understood which happened already this game.

if you are scum, same shit will happen as above. this playstyle is GRANDPAMETA

sure fair enough i certainly benefit greatly from players being familiar with me and i often wish for players unfamiliar with me to be patient with me or to try to understand, and i too will try to understand them as well, like i don't think i was too unfair to those pushing me earlier even if i did not express myself well, or at least i tried not to be

and if doctor drew was familiar with me i would think his interaction there with me was pretty towny because i do not think a theoretical scum!doctor drew who was familiar with me would push me like that there because it just makes it more likely everyone will see i am town, but scums unfamiliar with me very often do push me like that because they think 'ah i can believably say this behaviour is scummy!' or even less favourably 'it is weird therefore a scums' like binary logic stuff

but i still think doctor drew saying 'calm down if you're town everyone will see' was maybe kinda towny, and it is also similar to what you're saying about how i play, or maybe rather how i

should

play in your opinion, which maybe you're right but my play isn't some calculated decision i mostly just sit down and type what i am thinking and hit submit lol

anyway, is the 'something big' that's supposedly imminently approaching here like, likely to be negative for town? or just wild and exciting? or is there some way we can manipulate it to be more positive for town? et cetera,

have you ever tried using a PT , it will help u organize your thoughts better and have a place for u to place ur thoughts into a thread

also im pretty sure u are town here , if u were scum idk if u would be entualing this much detail into scumchat

[GrandpaMo]

ik this is off-topic and very random but do people on MS ever find like crushes and maybe even form relationships through the site?

like does anyone just sit here and say "omg this person playstyle is so cute"

ASKING FOR A FRIEND

[GrandpaMo]

It’s well known that MS is a dating site, plenty of love stories begin here!!

oh my, you flatter me.

[GrandpaMo]

oh shit I have 8 posts left

[GrandpaMo]

@mod is it true you have lied to us atleast once in this game so far?

[GrandpaMo]

It's kind of suss that you're wasting your posts to comment on random stuff if you truly have a restriction

m8 this post makes no sense. I forgot I rlly had one but my post restriction doesn't stop me after certain x posts, something happens that helps town ig

[GrandpaMo]

It's kind of suss that you're wasting your posts to comment on random stuff if you truly have a restriction

I don't think any post restriction could stop GMo from posting random stuff lol.

and yes this is v true

[GrandpaMo]

@mod is it true you have lied to us atleast once in this game so far?

Well they have lied to me, but that wasn't in game.

pls tell us this info --

[GrandpaMo]

@mod is it true you have lied to us atleast once in this game so far?

Well they have lied to me, but that wasn't in game.

pls tell us this info --

Nothing I can 100% confirm is a lie quite yet, involves my role though so won't say more.

you could have told us in our neighborhood chat lol

[GrandpaMo]

@mod is it true you have lied to us atleast once in this game so far?

Well they have lied to me, but that wasn't in game.

pls tell us this info --

Nothing I can 100% confirm is a lie quite yet, involves my role though so won't say more.

you could have told us in our neighborhood chat lol

If I choose to recruit you I will tell you in our PT.

ok thx <3 1 more post till they know what I do tehehehe partner-- ill probably wait till I get back from this trip to make sure it happens on my computer

[GrandpaMo]

It's kind of suss that you're wasting your posts to comment on random stuff if you truly have a restriction

m8 this post makes no sense. I forgot I rlly had one but my post restriction doesn't stop me after certain x posts, something happens that helps town ig

And

this

post makes no sense either. You were talking about post restrictions in 273, like seven hours before. How could you possibly have just forgot.
And the narrative that you hitting the pr would help town don't really jive with 189. In fact 189 would imply that you would try to avoid unnecessary posts

i didnt neceasrily forget. but more of just wasnt in my concious thought process when making posts -- i dont care about wasting posts anywyas because i was gonna use this post to make my final reads plus my role is town confirmed and can help u all

anyways phir is still my top scumread they just have mutliple bad quality posts and the sequence of their progression i pointed out earlier was bad. also, they literally had a scumdefintion of omgus -- they keep being hestant to push me like. u scumread me and im ur top scumread right then why not vote me ??? instead of voting someone else.

i wanna say bianco is probably also falls under here -- they seem they are trying to hard to push a certain angle that they probably dont even agree with lol. baincos enterance is also something to look out for. i trust that drew can help this wagon if bainco becomes the vote since i believe in my neighbor.

anywhos i still start right after this post as ill become activated now --- but um f all the haters and f all the doubters. theres also atleast probably 1 -2 scum in those who continue to talk about my post restriction like its not that complicated relax yall anyways see yall in my next post!

[GrandpaMo]

I am a

Town Guardian Angel

Thee may asketh me any questions in the entire w'rld and I shall guideth thee and s'rve as a guardian by answ'ring by

true

'r

false

!

[GrandpaMo]

Am I actually the cult leader?

This is an invalid questioneth as t p'rtains to me having too much inf'rmation which I doth not has't at this moment.

[GrandpaMo]

What is the meaning of life?

This is an invalid questioneth as t p'rtains to me having an answ'r oth'r than true 'r false

Questions left: 25

[GrandpaMo]

A lighteth hast evok'd me from above!

i has't been toldeth to clarifyeth

- i can only answ'r up to 25 questions, so asketh wisely!
- thee may only asketh true 'r false questions
- i doth not has't extra inf'rmation on oth'r roles, mod, and mechanics.
- thee may only asketh questions from and about angels and demons game.
- thee can asketh oth'r gen'ral questions only if 't be true t p'rtains to me on who is't and what i am.
- all invalid questions shall not beest did count towards the 25 questions
- i has't gen'ral inf'rmation on the game. I shall useth this inf'rmation to most wondrous guideth thee as town's guardian angel.

Our goal is to surpass the demons of this game yond is ov'rtaking our kingdom. Whom we art the savi'rs, guardians, the ones who is't shall saveth the entirety of life from those of lacking valor shall

[GrandpaMo]

there is a means by which you can become confirmed or as confirmed as one can be in a bastard game other than being flipped which you are currently aware of. true/false

you are aligned with the town and solely the town and win with no faction other than the town. true/false

you are in a private topic with doctor drew. true/false

These art invalid questions as t p'rtains to a statement and not questioneth f'rmat. These art not indirect statements and th'ref're all questions hath asked wilt has't a valid response of true 'r false did indicate by a "?"

Feeleth free to rephrase

[GrandpaMo]

I am a

Town Guardian Angel

Thee may asketh me any questions in the entire w'rld and I shall guideth thee and s'rve as a guardian by answ'ring by

true

'r

false

!

?????

UNVOTE: GrandpaMo

This as an invalid questioneth as t p'rtains to not being in questioneth f'rmat. This is not indirect statement and th'ref're all questions hath asked wilt has't a valid response of true 'r false did indicate by a "?"

[GrandpaMo]

A lighteth hast evok'd me from above!

i has't been toldeth to clarifyeth

- i can only answ'r up to 25 questions, so asketh wisely!
- thee may only asketh true 'r false questions
- i doth not has't extra inf'rmation on oth'r roles, mod, and mechanics.
- thee may only asketh questions from and about angels and demons game.
- thee can asketh oth'r gen'ral questions only if 't be true t p'rtains to me on who is't and what i am.
- all invalid questions shall not beest did count towards the 25 questions
- i has't gen'ral inf'rmation on the game. I shall useth this inf'rmation to most wondrous guideth thee as town's guardian angel.

Our goal is to surpass the demons of this game yond is ov'rtaking our kingdom. Whom we art the savi'rs, guardians, the ones who is't shall saveth the entirety of life from those of lacking valor shall

Were all the statements that you have made in this thread true?

False!

[GrandpaMo]

once again maybe not fully honest regarding alignment and purpose and such

but i do not think grandpamo wholly invented the whole thing

because why would he have bothered with all of the extraneous bits and how likely is it that he would have thought to give himself a whole bunch of rules he must follow in how he answers

Let's try this out. I won't ask any more questions after this unless I think of something really good, as apparently we're limited to 25.

also i do have like a post restriction. i wont out yet what it is

@

GrandpaMo

: Is this statement made by you true?

True!

[GrandpaMo]

I am a

Town Guardian Angel

Thee may asketh me any questions in the entire w'rld and I shall guideth thee and s'rve as a guardian by answ'ring by

true

'r

false

!

is it true that you are aligned with the town and solely the town and win with no faction other than the town?

is it true that you are in a private topic with doctor drew?

1.

True!

2.

False!

Questions left: 21

[GrandpaMo]

I am a

Town Guardian Angel

Thee may asketh me any questions in the entire w'rld and I shall guideth thee and s'rve as a guardian by answ'ring by

true

'r

false

!

You have predesigned answers given by mod, and you can only use them, Truth/False?

This post also made by mod, Truth/False?

1.

False!

2.

False!

Questions left: 19

[/quote]

[GrandpaMo]

A lighteth hast evok'd me from above!

A conclusion is spoken from the Guardian Angel.

As our goal is to ov'rtake the demons of the ov'rw'rld, please be aware!

Spoiler: Ope h're!

also if someone could unvote so i could enjoy my run and such without having to worry about this i would appreciate it

like even if you do think this is somehow scum indicative of me or something we're like five hours into a two week day

hi enchant

Though in confusion still he seeks his way,
Yet I will lead him to the light one day.
For in the budding sapling the gardener can see
The promise of fruit upon the full-grown tree.

I anon has't 18 questions hath left

[GrandpaMo]

I’m kind of thinking what is the point of the Town Guardian Angel at this point whatsoever. We know that he was not fully truthful with us in the thread and so I suppose he can be lying about anything.

A lighteth hast evok'd me from above.

I has't been toldeth to clairfy!

I am the guardian angel, ev'rything i sayeth 'r doth is in the act of honesty!

Ev'rything i has't hath said aft'r making mine own initial entrance is from truth and only truth!

Prithee asketh me questions. I am eag'r to bid thee all the sooth!

[GrandpaMo]

Mod told you to clarify?

False!

[/b

[GrandpaMo]

Prithee asketh me questions. I am eag'r to bid thee all the sooth!

is it true that you have reason to believe it is beneficial to town for town to vote out a member of town in this elimination?

False!

[GrandpaMo]

Prithee asketh me questions. I am eag'r to bid thee all the sooth!

is it true that this post:

Oh no two GranpaMo's.....I am gonna have to recruit the best of the best to counter that.

Also a vote on Bianco, ok now we are getting spicy.

ikr also can u stop like fakeclaiming and rlly claim ur greedy exec role that ur target is demona

was made at least in part due to information you have from your role?

False!

[GrandpaMo]

A giant f'rce is striking me hard. I needeth thy holp.


We needeth to defeat the demons.


We needeth to defeat Phir, the biggest goodyear.


Prithee holp me to recov'r the und'rw'rld from the h'rr'r and disast'r from demons

[GrandpaMo]

GrandPa seems to be capable of normal talking without "questions" so what point

unless you just mean the posts like the one about the videos i have posted which is pretty ??? to me as well

I am in deep regreteth and s'rrow.

Someone hast misguid'd me.

I am leading the lighteth. I knoweth wh're the lighteth is. Prithee followeth me!

[GrandpaMo]

Mo, is it true that what you may post is restricted but that you're free to post whatever you'd like within the bounds of these restrictions?

True!

[GrandpaMo]

GMo, are you informed of anyone's alignment besides yours?

False!

[GrandpaMo]

1. After we have asked and you have answered 25 valid questions does your role, or anything else about the game state, change in any way that would be undesirable from a town perspective?

False

[GrandpaMo]

Have you received information about the game in either

your role PM

or

other communications from the mod that you wish to convey to us?

True

[GrandpaMo]

3. Are there future phases of the game where we can ask you further questions of you in your Guardian Angel mode (e.g. after 25 D2 posts, or after 25 more 'normal' posts)?

False

[GrandpaMo]

@GrandpaMo: Is anyone giving you instructions about clarifying things regarding our doubts and questions?

False

[GrandpaMo]

I has't been toldeth to clarifyeth!

I am not the 'riginal guardian angel! i am acting in substitute f'r what i very much am. Is th're an 'riginal guardian angel? we may nev'r knoweth but this is a game of angels and demons!

Please bethink! 25 questions? nay. Foolery? aye. This is all an act f'r the demons! thee may ign're or continueth to participateth in the act to help me ov'rtake the demons!

Now I will move on from my conversation mode...

I has't 9 questions hath left to guideth thee... to alloweth thee knoweth who is't i very much am

but please help me help thee

[GrandpaMo]

666

[GrandpaMo]

Is this the real life?
Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landside,
No escape from reality
Open your eyes,
Look up to the skies and see,
I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy,
Because I'm easy come, easy go,
Little high, little low,
Any way the wind blows doesn't really matter to
Me, to me
Mamaaa,
Just killed a man,
Put a gun against his head, pulled my trigger,
Now he's dead
Mamaaa, life had just begun,
But now I've gone and thrown it all away
Mama, oooh,
Didn't mean to make you cry,
If I'm not back again this time tomorrow,
Carry on, carry on as if nothing really matters
Too late, my time has come,
Sends shivers down my spine, body's aching all
The time
Goodbye, everybody, I've got to go,
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth
Mama, oooh
I don't want to die,
I sometimes wish I'd never been born at all.

[GrandpaMo]

I have escaped

[GrandpaMo]

is it true that this:

VOTE: grandpamo

is what you want?

No! I do not want any of that.

I just want Phir to be voted out.

[GrandpaMo]

Phir is scum here.

Please listen to me.

Their interactions just are so artificial.


They are very inconsistent and their line of thinking goes all over the place. Look at post 492. They are flip flopping their reads unconsciously just like a scum would.

I want to scumread biancospino as well but they have been doing well these past few posts...

They seem they have motivation to solve for town.

VOTE: Phir

[GrandpaMo]

it was yeah

I wouldn't fake a whole thing that probably in my head makes me look more town than scum...

I could have just not done all that and played my original playstyle and probably get scumread for it because I am a very versatile player that can transform into a playstyle that can be scumread. I know my own playstyle and multiple people in this game can tell you that.

[GrandpaMo]

I have escaped

mhmmhm any chance you'd like to walk us through all of that

were you freed by the vote or the questions, why didn't you give us whatever information you claim to have before the 'show', do you actually have any information, did you learn anything,

Because it was all a lie. I was afraid if I continued to play normally in a bastard game that involved Angels and Demons, I would be the first one to die during the night. There was motivation from all over my unconscious mind to do this including wanting to be scumread, wanting to get reactions, wanting to test out faking a whole role to see if it gave any valuable information for either player who either 1. Asked the questions or 2. interacted with each other about the questions. And I learned a lot through it and Phir is my top contender as scum. They are hiding something that they don't want to tell you all. They are afraid. Why do you think they are not pushing me right now? And have always been poking me but never doing anything about it? Because they thought my role was real to eventually reveal what a fraud they are.

[GrandpaMo]

it was yeah

I wouldn't fake a whole thing that probably in my head makes me look more town than scum...

I could have just not done all that and played my original playstyle and probably get scumread for it because I am a very versatile player that can transform into a playstyle that can be scumread. I know my own playstyle and multiple people in this game can tell you that.

it felt like, other than to get me to engage i couldn't find a reason for why you made the post re: the videos i posted (which i would now like an explanation for) and with you posting the queen lyrics and such it felt like maybe you were trying to get people to vote for you, either jester or to break the post restriction, though i admittedly did not think about it for very long obviously

Oh sorry about that. I did that to maybe inform others about a possible post restriction you may have. Nothing to scumread or townread you about just something to point out. I thought somebody will get my signal but nobody did and I didn't want to have to break character. You are my top town by the way.

[GrandpaMo]

i... actually thought the same thing,

Then we are probably both town here as I am town and that thought process came from a town mindset.

[GrandpaMo]

Take time to process things... I know you may be mad and I do apologize but my plan worked.

I know who scum is.

[GrandpaMo]

I feel you would be the only one to understand me but virtually you are me and I am you.

[GrandpaMo]

Because it was all a lie. I was afraid if I continued to play normally in a bastard game that involved Angels and Demons, I would be the first one to die during the night. There was motivation from all over my unconscious mind to do this including wanting to be scumread, wanting to get reactions, wanting to test out faking a whole role to see if it gave any valuable information for either player who either 1. Asked the questions or 2. interacted with each other about the questions. And I learned a lot through it and Phir is my top contender as scum. They are hiding something that they don't want to tell you all. They are afraid. Why do you think they are not pushing me right now? And have always been poking me but never doing anything about it? Because they thought my role was real to eventually reveal what a fraud they are.

eh i mean i can kinda relate to the assumed likelihood of being nightkilled because i feel similarly right now but why is that something to be avoided, like to me it's just solve as much of the game as i possibly can while i'm alive and then it is what it is

like are you just saying you want to continue playing the game indefinitely and thus needed to avoid being nightkilled by... making a big mess of the game?

okay what did you learn about others who asked questions and interacted with eachother about the questions? like you can just omit me from your response here but am interested in the others beyond phir,

is it because phir did not want to ask you any questions? at one point i worried that maybe phir thought you would gain something from being asked, but could in theory have thought you would gain something as a scums,

I do not wanna get nightkilled because I am testing something in the night -- It was all elaborate plan (even including me "escaping"). I don't wanna reveal too much there until later tbh.

And no Phir isn't scum just because of that, they are scum of the reasons I said -- they have been consistently inconsistent in every post they have made. I urge you to take a look at their iso.

Post 56 just sounds a TMI post in the context that everyone already posted their scum / town reasons for their read on you. Then out of nowhere their RVS is "demona is good" they also push Drew in that post for being too agressive

Out of nowhere in post 116 right after responding to a question, they want to make Bianco claim! That early in the game I know they were at E2 or whatever it was -- but that probably means Bianco was a scumwagon or something and Phir was just rolefishing.

Post 125 (votes me),
128 (questions greeting as scum),
130 (talking about spino wagon),
137 (calling me possible town, urge to hammer for spino and questioning to hammer, and voting whemestar),
146 (then questions imag and me scum in a scumpool they create based on spinos flip???),
159 (votes imaginaility),
178 (calls me fake but was def saying I was town earlier - they also say they happy with town core but have not specified anybody lol),
180 (votes me again after pushing them with one post),
181 (questioning CSF),
182 (now questioning me as town???),
220 (u actually question who the towncore is and they say meuh and demona and then question greeting and cat),
221 (continuing to hover over me and questioning about pushing me??? and giving me the option to push them? probably because they are scared and dont actually wanna commit),
223 (questioning wheme as town)
239 (all over the place trying to scumread me.... they are claiming stuff out of context, stuff that dont even make sense? like appeal to authority? what does have to do with anything? they are just conitnuing to be all over the place here and even saying "i will decide how to vote" they just sound like a newbscum tryna push me back and they have nothing so they are pulling shit out of their ass LOL)
243 (questioning me as town once again)
320 (calls me classic scum and votes Cat Scratch Fever) this is probably the biggest red flag lol
464 (says willing to sheep meuh now??? and prob "wheme, bianco or enchant I guess. Maybe Drew as a distant fifth." not even me mentioned other "innocent" behavior as town???

492

(says that greeting was sus to them but now is town but wasnt they in their towncore in the beginning of the game??? look at post 220)

This is my scumcase on phir. If you tell me there is nothing wrong with that ISO, then you're just flatout lying. This is probably one of the worst ISO's I ever seen and I doubt it comes from town. Not only shows them they are all over the place, they are multiple contradictions and just so many ugh posts that is like so obvious. Please.

[GrandpaMo]

Knew it

true you were right yes credit given

but did you learn anything from it?

like what are your takeaways

Don't listen to enchant. Enchant will always say they learned nothing especially when as scum I got them out that one game

[GrandpaMo]

I know you may be mad

also i personally am not mad even if you're town i like the game to be fun

That was also another reason -- Game was at a stalemate and nothing was going on like you mentioned and so I wanted something to spark.

[GrandpaMo]

BRO U CONTINUE TO SAY IM SCUM AND SHIT BUT U DONT VOTE.ME

VOTE ME RN WHY R U SO SCARED?

[GrandpaMo]

okay what did you learn about others who asked questions and interacted with eachother about the questions? like you can just omit me from your response here but am interested in the others beyond phir,

still interested in this but i will comb through phir iso in the meantime

dw i got u later tonight I have the info

[GrandpaMo]

Post 125 (votes me),

492

(says that greeting was sus to them but now is town but wasnt they in their towncore in the beginning of the game??? look at post 220)

492 is indeed troubling as I've pointed out earlier; but 220 does not actually put Greeting in the towncore, it sais 'can be town but'. I'd be interested in seeing what Phir has to say on the topic because I actually have strong opinions on what state of mind town!Phir should've had in order to make that post

I have fuck all to say on anything if u facilitating grandpamo yo. I think cat scrathc might be scum. You sound fake(lol after mo called me artificial) anyway your tone is weird af and if ur scum with csf like interesting.whatever.

I'm notdefending myself here cos frankly im kinfpda looking at mo as sort of a stale joke in regards to thread health and aiding town at this point.

And u might feel like a narrative setter, semi lurk scum bianco. Idk.

Who else tho? Enchant meh for now. Wheme like........... idk.

Mo ithink is just whacky. U feel sus.

this is just all ad homiem how does no one see this flailing scum

[GrandpaMo]

BRO U CONTINUE TO SAY IM SCUM AND SHIT BUT U DONT VOTE.ME

VOTE ME RN WHY R U SO SCARED?

please no yell

also pretty sure phir has said multiple times you're probably town with an irrelevant role?

no they haven't . pls look at the iso where I say he has scumread me. its a 35 post iso at that time it shouldn't take u that long. its literally them flip flopping. they literally just said I was sus??

[GrandpaMo]

My feeling is mo locked the narrative but at least sort of cleansed the pallatte. Just a waste of time in the end tho ngl. Fuck sake if u want to lim me mo shoulda claimed like a day cop guradian angel lol with a guilty on me. All u have now are 'wow Phir artifiicial' 'Phir changes votes' (gods forbid a town plauer being considerate and looking for scum oh no!mo just wants narrative control and probably opinion and gut validation, simply repeating 'bianco maybe scummy but let's get Phir yo.'

If Mo is a measly vannilla town then this a great way to get scum to start lurking it out right here. I'm not engaging with u mo cos u wrong on me striaght up.

I won't say good luck cos like I know where I think scum is. U do u.

I was about to do that but. ididnt want to game throw

[GrandpaMo]

BRO U CONTINUE TO SAY IM SCUM AND SHIT BUT U DONT VOTE.ME

VOTE ME RN WHY R U SO SCARED?

I'm pretty used to shitpushes on this site and I believe my tactics against them are refined, from my personal sense of values.

I'll make this very clear: Don't talk to me. If you wanna hunt me as scum, fine, go ahead. But please leave me alone. My position on you is you're probably vt, why must I repeat this. Please, if you want to shoit and be aggro, leave me alone. I'm ignoring you for a while besides so.

Thank you.

this is just anti town if youre town lol

pls explain my scumcase on u then? you still havent explained anything nor any of the contradictions you made nor what bianco has pointed out. ur just going into adhomiem and putting ur feelings out there first instead of looking at the objective perspectives on u

[GrandpaMo]

Post 125 (votes me),

492

(says that greeting was sus to them but now is town but wasnt they in their towncore in the beginning of the game??? look at post 220)

492 is indeed troubling as I've pointed out earlier; but 220 does not actually put Greeting in the towncore, it sais 'can be town but'. I'd be interested in seeing what Phir has to say on the topic because I actually have strong opinions on what state of mind town!Phir should've had in order to make that post

this is literally what has been going on all game -- he has done this with every player so far.

[GrandpaMo]

I mean my languagehas been crass these past few posts I admit but overall I think simply put im not in the headscpace for drama rn. Sorry mo I was rude but right now ignoring you is my best path forward.

how are yall not seeing this as scum???

[GrandpaMo]

BRO U CONTINUE TO SAY IM SCUM AND SHIT BUT U DONT VOTE.ME

VOTE ME RN WHY R U SO SCARED?

I'm pretty used to shitpushes on this site and I believe my tactics against them are refined, from my personal sense of values.

I'll make this very clear: Don't talk to me. If you wanna hunt me as scum, fine, go ahead. But please leave me alone. My position on you is you're probably vt, why must I repeat this. Please, if you want to shoit and be aggro, leave me alone. I'm ignoring you for a while besides so.

Thank you.

this is just anti town if youre town lol

pls explain my scumcase on u then? you still havent explained anything nor any of the contradictions you made nor what bianco has pointed out. ur just going into adhomiem and putting ur feelings out there first instead of looking at the objective perspectives on u

Nah. Peace.

pls vote this

VOTE: Phir

pedit: its not that demona -- im confused how u dont see this .. its the fact that he has done this multiple times everytime he has been pressured. its all subjective pressure that he keeps pushing me and keeps calling me scum for it but is calling me town in other posts??

[GrandpaMo]

BRO U CONTINUE TO SAY IM SCUM AND SHIT BUT U DONT VOTE.ME

VOTE ME RN WHY R U SO SCARED?

I'm pretty used to shitpushes on this site and I believe my tactics against them are refined, from my personal sense of values.

I'll make this very clear: Don't talk to me. If you wanna hunt me as scum, fine, go ahead. But please leave me alone. My position on you is you're probably vt, why must I repeat this. Please, if you want to shoit and be aggro, leave me alone. I'm ignoring you for a while besides so.

Thank you.

this is just anti town if youre town lol

pls explain my scumcase on u then? you still havent explained anything nor any of the contradictions you made nor what bianco has pointed out. ur just going into adhomiem and putting ur feelings out there first instead of looking at the objective perspectives on u

Nah. Peace.

pls vote this

VOTE: Phir

pedit: its not that demona -- im confused how u dont see this .. its the fact that he has done this multiple times everytime he has been pressured. its all subjective pressure that he keeps pushing me and keeps calling me scum for it but is calling me town in other posts??

@mo, are you a doublevoter or something? You were voting Phir already

i voted him 3 times. this is how confident i am.i havent been confident on anyone else. ur probably voting rn because ur a wagon which i dont even know why

[GrandpaMo]

Spoiler: nest

Post 125 (votes me),

492

(says that greeting was sus to them but now is town but wasnt they in their towncore in the beginning of the game??? look at post 220)

492 is indeed troubling as I've pointed out earlier; but 220 does not actually put Greeting in the towncore, it sais 'can be town but'. I'd be interested in seeing what Phir has to say on the topic because I actually have strong opinions on what state of mind town!Phir should've had in order to make that post

just gonna skip ahead a bit momentarily (don't worry still working) and say that i think there's a good chance 492 is related to 442 and such regardless of phir's alignment

like phir either townreads meuh or is pretending to and phir as town weighs the inputs of others, which is pretty consistent and evident, or is very good at faking this aspect of their townplay

It's the mega sus part that's shiny. The quote is of Greeting, so I'm assuming

you

means Greeting

could you reword this for me, i am having trouble following

I don't see Phir ever having been "mega sus" of Greeting, so that's a weird thing to have to "move on" from

oh as in they never made it clear at any point that they were scumreading or even potentially scumreading greeting, since from posts in the thread it seems they moved greeting from maybe town > town while stating they had been previously suspicious and are now going to ignore those suspicions, hmhmhm, okay, continuing my way through

this is not just greeting -- this is multiple people so far.

[GrandpaMo]

Oh my post got ate up.


Basically, bianco you're reasons are weak, I don't like the hesitance on readforming on CSF, might be aligned there. Csf going off u onto wheme might be pertinent. Also, your behavior merits study, esp when u were in hammer range.

That was the gist of my old post, I then said I dont think I need to say more and dont wanna cos

are u defending yourself by attacking bianco?? omg omg omg omg

plsplplsplsplplsplplpllslsplplplplpllpls im like freaking out

[GrandpaMo]

Honestly, and I should be ignrping u, f-off. I've been clear where I think scum are rn, I have reasons to feel town on people on where I want to, im apin agreement with gretting that u grandpamo are a collosla waste of town time. Like. Troll levels rn. So rick ng push me continue ur theatre bullshit whatever I dont care. And bianco also feels so fake as fuck hopping after everything u say like a shiny monkey.

See?

It's best if I ignore shitpushes esp after aksing ppl to leave me alone so.

This is why I didn't want to drama post today : )

An I shouldnt. Sorta over it, and ldr im not scum, no hard feelings etc. See ya when I see ya

flailing scum

[GrandpaMo]

I honestly feel right now, you pushing me, along with your fakery arlier, that whether u were voting me or not I ascribe no value to you as a player, that is to say, by your actions and current stances I see no further need to engage with you in this game.

Hopefully you can change.

m8 all you have done is continue to attack me and continue to go based on your feelings. i believe you should take a break from the game and come back to me later once you have cleared your mind if you are really town.

i pushed you becuase i found u scum and i gave my reasons for it. you then come out and respond and attack me for pushing me but you allgedly townread me -- think about it from my perspective, im pushing u and scumread u, im expecting you to defend your self or try to talk to me but all i get is u attacking me and saying how i shouldnt do this and tht etc. do u see that? if u dont then i encourage u to check the first post where i vote u and look at the interaction from there.

im trying my best to not get confirmation bais in the way but you really make it hard because till this point you still have not defended yourself, did not respond to me nor discuss with me about my points i brought up. why is that?

im just playing the game -- i found u scum and now im pushing u and tryna get everybody on board -- its not my fault that you are letting your emotions and feelings getting the best of u .. in that case i encourage to take a quick break and reevaluate me

[GrandpaMo]

SHOOT: Phir

[GrandpaMo]

im responding to 320 because im on phone but its a red flag because he calls me scum and votes someone else but he has been sum shading me all game?

demona, you literally told me they have been calling me town. now you are saying they are not putting in me any alignment just pushing me. and now you don't see the scum move? are you also going to ignore the vote he made on me? you're also getting confused. I don't understand why you're defending him this much lol

[GrandpaMo]

SHOOT: Phir

If you actually do have a weapon I suggest you holster next time cowboy

it was real. any last words?

[GrandpaMo]

wait phir are you new?

[GrandpaMo]

Demona is good.

VOTE: Greeting

Hello!

So many words. All this talking. All it does is make Demona look good. No one else has impressed me in any way. I have played before with Demona before, I now believe. See n o reason for these votes.

Doctor Drew feel way too aggressive too me. Maybe the type of aggression scum would fake. Grandstanding while pushing on minutae to keep a wagon perpetually viable.

we shall see.

who are you an alt of?

[GrandpaMo]

im responding to 320 because im on phone but its a red flag because he calls me scum and votes someone else but he has been sum shading me all game?

demona, you literally told me they have been calling me town. now you are saying they are not putting in me any alignment just pushing me. and now you don't see the scum move? are you also going to ignore the vote he made on me? you're also getting confused. I don't understand why you're defending him this much lol

yes but one can have more than one thought about the game, like why does that only come from scum to you, like 'this is scummy to me but i'd like to explore this as well'? like maybe the amount of conviction with the read with regards to you there is odd to me but i feel that way very often i feel that way right now about how sure you seemingly are about phir right now

yes, those were at different points in the game? like i don't really see why you would expect a town to have a concrete static read of you, like mostly it feels like you are saying that town!phir would believe that you were a scums here and would vote for you and never reconsider and would push for solely you as hard as they could? which is like ????????? to me, like why would that be your expectation of town!phir?

i am constantly confused yes that's why i try to be as methodical as i can be with regards to alot of things but i am not 'defending' phir, this is simply how i am viewing phir's posts, like i went through all of the posts because you asked me to, so the 'why i am defending them this much' would simply be because you asked me to look and that's how i feel,

demona he does this with many people.

u give me right now 2-3 strong scumrszds he has and 2-3 strong townresds he has. it has been late in day 1, he should have it by now.

but u can't... because he switches up every second. he is inconsistent and keeps doubting himself or not sticking to one thing that he believes.

[GrandpaMo]

i will just assume all bold text is fake until proven otherwise

lol mine was real

im a 1 shot dayvig

[GrandpaMo]

Anyway Mo ur still boring af an imma go drink something so. If im not dead I ll try and see what timewaste things u had demona say bout ur timewaste cases tho lol. Anyway, if u were serious then I was and were both ded. If not u just made me reveal lol. As if I care if its a misfire ill get somebody, probably just you. I'm vindictive like.

ur playing so antitown

[GrandpaMo]

im not even vig

[GrandpaMo]

im responding to 320 because im on phone but its a red flag because he calls me scum and votes someone else but he has been sum shading me all game?

demona, you literally told me they have been calling me town. now you are saying they are not putting in me any alignment just pushing me. and now you don't see the scum move? are you also going to ignore the vote he made on me? you're also getting confused. I don't understand why you're defending him this much lol

yes but one can have more than one thought about the game, like why does that only come from scum to you, like 'this is scummy to me but i'd like to explore this as well'? like maybe the amount of conviction with the read with regards to you there is odd to me but i feel that way very often i feel that way right now about how sure you seemingly are about phir right now

yes, those were at different points in the game? like i don't really see why you would expect a town to have a concrete static read of you, like mostly it feels like you are saying that town!phir would believe that you were a scums here and would vote for you and never reconsider and would push for solely you as hard as they could? which is like ????????? to me, like why would that be your expectation of town!phir?

i am constantly confused yes that's why i try to be as methodical as i can be with regards to alot of things but i am not 'defending' phir, this is simply how i am viewing phir's posts, like i went through all of the posts because you asked me to, so the 'why i am defending them this much' would simply be because you asked me to look and that's how i feel,

demona he does this with many people.

u give me right now 2-3 strong scumrszds he has and 2-3 strong townresds he has. it has been late in day 1, he should have it by now.

but u can't... because he switches up every second. he is inconsistent and keeps doubting himself or not sticking to one thing that he believes.

Shit yeh I need a drink blah blah blah blah blah. You wheme, enchant, like both yall may be town so waiting to hear a bit more boit csf and bianco. Thats all I think I have to say thats productive rn.

@DEMONA PLS TELL ME HOW THIS QUOTE MAKES ANY SENSE

[GrandpaMo]

i can't be the only one. ill log off now

[GrandpaMo]

i will just assume all bold text is fake until proven otherwise

lol mine was real

im a 1 shot dayvig

And I'm a vengeful ghost warrior so you're fucked love : )

vengeful ghost warrior my ass. only ghosts are scum

[GrandpaMo]

could this be TvT.

i can't see phir otherwise than scum. like are they TSTBS????

pedit: are u drunk or sum go have a drink lad

[GrandpaMo]

i will just assume all bold text is fake until proven otherwise

lol mine was real

im a 1 shot dayvig

And I'm a vengeful ghost warrior so you're fucked love : )

vengeful ghost warrior my ass. only ghosts are scum

Ok ghost

if this is true. are u saying the minority fsctokn are ghosts???? IN AN ANGELS AND DEMONS GAME???? atleasy my bs was better than ur bs

[GrandpaMo]

anyways if anything happens to me, pls kill phir

pedit. omg demona. show me the consistency??

and its usually scum indictive to change ur reads constantly and wagonhop . you're either fishing a lim or sheeping. or it shows you misaligned with your thoughts which would show u are scum because town usually is more coherent and have a more logical flow going on. yes u have those with different playstyles like urs but u have been consistent with your playstyle -- interrogative and questioning and seeking out info to help solve for town . ur actively gamesolving that is ur meta for this game.

phir on the other hand has done opposite, has had a different meta on different occasions and continues to be vocal about their reads and thstx okay!! but the problem lies with the difference in every other post they make with a different conclusion -- they don't have a coherent and logical flow.

u keep saying they have been consistent but why are you questioning inconsistency is scummy if u don't think that's the case?

and everyone in their unconscious mind should have made uo their mind about who they think is likely town and likely scum at least 2-4 people. some people are vocal about it and some aren't like you. so I can't rlly tell u other than the people u have mentioned like bianco which is a null town lean probably and other people u have mentioned which I don't feel like looking at rn

[GrandpaMo]

Anyway Mo ur still boring af an imma go drink something so. If im not dead I ll try and see what timewaste things u had demona say bout ur timewaste cases tho lol. Anyway, if u were serious then I was and were both ded. If not u just made me reveal lol. As if I care if its a misfire ill get somebody, probably just you. I'm vindictive like.

All this talk of drinks is tempting me to get some myself and come back to drunkpost. Maybe tonight

why don't we all just relax and have a drink together? ok lads? ok

[GrandpaMo]

@demona plus u have been interrogative and questiony of everyone, why aren't u doing the same for phir?

that was my concern

[GrandpaMo]

I think demona solid town. Meuh still town. Greeting I guess. That's about it. I have nothing else to say.

Maybe enchnant u can be funny bye

lolol continues to ignore me and ignore their read on me

[GrandpaMo]

I think demona solid town. Meuh still town. Greeting I guess. That's about it. I have nothing else to say.

Maybe enchnant u can be funny bye

lolol continues to ignore me and ignore their read on me

Totally worth it.

but you still haven't said anything about me this whole game.


it only takes one word. do u see me as

scum or

town. all im asking is one word

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: Drew

yk what im sheeping this

wheme is town btw.

me and phir is probably tvt

VOTE: Drew

[GrandpaMo]

scum is probably mainly in the low posters because of @demona concern about the game not moving is correct -- this probably means either scum is the one that pushes the game, meaning probably in the low hanging fruit or those who are lurking / coasting/ not doing much

[GrandpaMo]

game's progression rlly moves with me, demona, phir's new spun dialgoue (which i dont wanna include because it is new ) but drew as well.

one scum is in there assuming that scum progresses the game, as when no one speaks game is quiet which makes me think drew is probably just scum here

[GrandpaMo]

also can we out what are our roles are like if ur role is a bastard role or if it is like a weird flavor role?

because i will out this right now -- i did not recieve any flavor .. my role is pure vanilla (im not saying if i am vt or not but i am saying i am a role that would be included in a noirmal game ruleset)

[GrandpaMo]

All nature's forces are revealed
Am I a god? My mind's so clear!
With mystic vision now I see concealed
In these pure symbols nature's rich activity.

Votecount

Whemestar (4): imaginality, biancospino, Cat Scratch Fever, Doctor Drew
Cat Scratch Fever (3): Meuh, Phir, Greeting
Phir (1): GrandpaMo
Imaginality (1): Whemestar

not voting (2): demona, Enchant

With 11 alive it's 6 to eliminate.

Almost certainly scum on the Wheme wagon tbh. I like the CSF wagon composition here

ding ding ding, thats why im voting drew

[GrandpaMo]

Fight with someone but be afraid to vote them

Like perhaps "be afraid to vote them" isn't the most accurate description, but it's weird framing to go "well he voted Phir thrice" without considering the random change in his read and the change in vote that went along with it

oh so when i do it its a scumping but when phir does it, its what townies do.... plsmake fucking sense dont be a hypocrite

[GrandpaMo]

Ugh Bianco, that Mo/phir thing was grueling. I do think it was tvs though.

Can you explain why you think it's TvS? I find it extra grueling because I'm feeling that both are town
The line between "actively unhelpful townie" and "just scum" is hard to draw, but I'm feeling the former regarding Mo at the moment

I have seen this song and dance before from scunGmo.

Fight with someone but be afraid to vote them, and then shade Drew lol.

m8 i gave up on trying to convince everyone that phir is scum. i got heated. i tokk a break and realized that either the people defended them were scum with phir or im just blindly tunneling . i took the latter that i probablyt was just blindely tunneling and they are probably just town that cant organize their tohughts -- i have to look at them later .

but i wanted to switch onto u becaus i was looking at wagon analysis and i see that u were voting wheme and u are the only oen who looks the worst in that wagon.

[GrandpaMo]

Ok but it's not lke mo was afraid of voting phir

he voted phir thrice

...and then backed off, randomly saying Phir is probably town and throwing a vote on Drew instead

That's what I meant, like ultimately knew they wouldn't keep the vote on them, or maybe not afraid, but hesitant to keep it there.

no im not fucking hesitant at all -- this is jsut inaccurate at all. if u saw my interaction I WANTED TO VOTE THEM. i was eager for a quick hammer and lim because of horrible their iso looked... i havent felt like this strongly about a player EVER drew. EVER.

me saying backing up is me stepping back and listening to demona and biancosapino about phir and exploruing another option. again, phir does it -- its fine. i do it, its scum?

[GrandpaMo]

Fight with someone but be afraid to vote them

Like perhaps "be afraid to vote them" isn't the most accurate description, but it's weird framing to go "well he voted Phir thrice" without considering the random change in his read and the change in vote that went along with it

oh so when i do it its a scumping but when phir does it, its what townies do.... plsmake fucking sense dont be a hypocrite

But this is what you do.

Pre Edit: Like I said, same song and dance

drew u dont know how i play neither allingment i do this shit regardless of allignment. people push me ebcause they think "oh this how grandpa plays as scum" or they townread me because "oh this ihow grandpa plays as town"

everygame im my own meta.

[GrandpaMo]

I have escaped

mhmmhm any chance you'd like to walk us through all of that

were you freed by the vote or the questions, why didn't you give us whatever information you claim to have before the 'show', do you actually have any information, did you learn anything,

Because it was all a lie. I was afraid if I continued to play normally in a bastard game that involved Angels and Demons, I would be the first one to die during the night. There was motivation from all over my unconscious mind to do this including wanting to be scumread, wanting to get reactions, wanting to test out faking a whole role to see if it gave any valuable information for either player who either 1. Asked the questions or 2. interacted with each other about the questions. And I learned a lot through it and Phir is my top contender as scum. They are hiding something that they don't want to tell you all. They are afraid. Why do you think they are not pushing me right now? And have always been poking me but never doing anything about it? Because they thought my role was real to eventually reveal what a fraud they are.

Blegh blegh blegh I hate this post

actually wait this reminded me of something

grandpamo said earlier that he thought maybe i had a post restriction of some sort and that's why i was posting videos and that's why he posted the post quoting them all when he was pretending to be the guardian angel and such but... his post restriction was fake so why would he have thought i had a real post restriction? (that i hadn't claimed or anything despite lengthy discussion of post restrictions etc)

dawg ur overthinking rn -- i just thought u had a psot restriction because who tf posts random song sand videos randomly without context

last time i saw it was a post restriction -- i asked u about it and u said it wasnt. cool. done deal. move on

[GrandpaMo]

also can we out what are our roles are like if ur role is a bastard role or if it is like a weird flavor role?

because i will out this right now -- i did not recieve any flavor .. my role is pure vanilla (im not saying if i am vt or not but i am saying i am a role that would be included in a noirmal game ruleset)

mm, are you a doctor? simple yes/no

on phone please no questions just trust for a sec i have a theory

i want people actually to answer this first --

and stop rolefishing...


... my question is actually helpful and can give us info about the game mechanics

[GrandpaMo]

also

@drew if i was scum... dont u think anyone in this playerlist would have told me about my dumbshit in scumchat? or against my wincon as scum? if i go out and fake a post rrestirction against my own teammates??

make it make sense

[GrandpaMo]

watch demona, phir, and bianco be scum together lol if there is 3 scum

[GrandpaMo]

Also even if they scumread you more, votes ≠ biggest scumread

Yeah you vote fr somepne that can realistically be limmed
But! it has been made clear im a credible lim so if i were scumreading bianco the most i wold 100percent voting bianco rn

Just quoting this because I have a question for Bianco, and want them to get the alert.

But what is the brand of Absinthe you are drinking? And is that normally a go to drink for you when playing mafia?

And Gmo, are you drinking tonight?

These are serious game related questions btw.

no . now unvote me

also do u still scumread demona?

[GrandpaMo]

Also even if they scumread you more, votes ≠ biggest scumread

Yeah you vote fr somepne that can realistically be limmed
But! it has been made clear im a credible lim so if i were scumreading bianco the most i wold 100percent voting bianco rn

Just quoting this because I have a question for Bianco, and want them to get the alert.

But what is the brand of Absinthe you are drinking? And is that normally a go to drink for you when playing mafia?

And Gmo, are you drinking tonight?

These are serious game related questions btw.

no . now unvote me

also do u still scumread demona?

Why do you and Bianco have typos in all of your posts as of late then?

bro what . are u rlly aboiut to write up a whole case on writing wrong? imjust typing fast and i have done this every game

[GrandpaMo]

ngl drew . ur one funny guy

[GrandpaMo]

I just didn't want role fishing to get swept under the rug.

And I still am tripping reading your posts.

Is the cult leader the only one not on drugs here?

if ur cult leader, pls cult me

[GrandpaMo]

this game is dead lol

[GrandpaMo]

I miss when I had a crush on meuh and imaginility was here

[GrandpaMo]

demeona. ima a vanilla role, ofc I will say its rolefishjng because there is a. possibility there is doc. and we don't want to doc to die because they are doctor .

[GrandpaMo]

demona is probably softing they are doc and tryna find another doc

[GrandpaMo]

I both hate and love this game right now.

yea same . u probably saying this probably means ur town.

idk who to vote anymore

UNVOTE:

[GrandpaMo]

like i feel like this is just a completely absurd viewpoint but maybe i am too close to it

What do feel about Bianco and Gmo having typos in every post they make as of late?

i think biancospino said she was drunk and i think that's been pretty common of grandpamo throughout, except maybe when grandpamo was a "guardian angel" which is assumedly because grandpamo was more careful about crafting the posts and such during that time, and like i said at the time the luminari font really was a nice touch, helped to sell it

I don't buy that Bianco was drunk.

oh shit going back, i can see what u mean -- like it looks odd and it happens with either every other post or something or on painfully obvious posts. like thats why people were saying bianco was confusing ...

idk we are probably overthinking but just need to see spinos reaction

[GrandpaMo]

I took a break from the game, reevaluated Phir. I thought maybe I was blindly tunneling them but I just can't find a way where Phir is town here.

There is always one scum in Bianco and Phir by the way.

Like their recent post continues to showcase Phir attitudes and character that continues to not have solid thoughts. Again they are all over the place -- With every rwas they made in that post it is either "Idk" or just not a certain stance on someone.

[GrandpaMo]

I took a break from the game, reevaluated Phir. I thought maybe I was blindly tunneling them but I just can't find a way where Phir is town here.

There is always one scum in Bianco and Phir by the way.

Like their recent post continues to showcase Phir attitudes and character that continues to not have solid thoughts. Again they are all over the place -- With every rwas they made in that post it is either "Idk" or just not a certain stance on someone.

Just so everyone can see how a fraud you are. You continue to dissent but you never wanna defend yourself.

Idk if this is towny behavior or TSTBS

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever E-2

If there was scum on WhemeStar it's probably this vote switch to Enchant because I don't think scum!Drew would switch to Mo (if Mo was a likely mislim that would've kicked off after the fake PR stuff).

And... eh I guess scum!bianco might see town!Phir as a possible mislim but CSF's vote on Enchant seems the most likely to be scum trying to get a different mislim going after the first one stalled.

The rolefishing seems bad (narrows down who might be doc, also the 'weird or normal roles' question could help scum with faking claims. Specifically I don't think we should say if there are thematic flavour elements in our PMs or not). But it does seem, particularly demona asking about doc, too blatant for scum to feel comfortable doing it.

This is a pretty weird game to try to read, it feels like listening to people talking underwater. I wouldn't be opposed to limming WhemeStar still (I think the flip would be more informative than waiting to get a read from their posts) but I was suspicious of CSF earlier and the switch to Enchant has pinged me again.

This is a prod dodge, however I have been reading the thread, and I can’t say that the fact that

GrandpaMo

’s behavior was a farce surprised me.

you two

pls tell me how phir's behavior is acceptable

[GrandpaMo]

am I the only one willing to vote demona at this point lol

[GrandpaMo]

like biancospino not actually considering grandpamo's alignment just stating a counterpoint? could maybe see that

I don't know if I said this already but im the one who 8nitially started the scumresd on bianco. I said there is scum between bainco and phir

[GrandpaMo]

UNVOTE:

still considering a bianco csf team

if u vote csf I will hammer btw

[GrandpaMo]

Ok but it's not lke mo was afraid of voting phir

he voted phir thrice

Little moments like these just sit in the back of my mind and fill me with dread

yea same cuz ir was weird seeing them defending phir and tryna also set a target on them

[GrandpaMo]

UNVOTE:

still considering a bianco csf team

if u vote csf I will hammer btw

please no end day still no reason to rush this here

like especially if you think biancospino likely a scums? like do you think bussing would be likely here?

also could you answer my questions from earlier

no I wanna rush hammer here. game been dead we need more info other than u spamming the thread with your introspective thoughts. Idk what I think anymore im lost

[GrandpaMo]

I don't think no one is bussing day 1 because of the wheme vote btw

[GrandpaMo]

if scum busses day 1 they are throwing the game for their partners

[GrandpaMo]

am I the only one willing to vote demona at this point lol

is this because

you are annoyed with me?

or

do you think it is likely i am a scums?

idk at this point. I think maybe first option lol sorry. yea I did initially townread u but more of urnposts recently just been filled with more introspective solving which only helps the person talking and not contribute to the overall game if that makes sense but this is irrelevant we don't gotta talk about this

[GrandpaMo]

if scum busses day 1 they are throwing the game for their partners

okay so why do you want to hammer cat scratch fever if you think there's a scums between biancospino and phir who were both on the wagon a few minutes ago,

like i don't get your itchiness here

me hammering someone doesn't mean I scumrwsd them or townrwsd them. I just wanted a hammer thats all to move the game forward. I feel like csf and spino are both two good informative votes

[GrandpaMo]

no I wanna rush hammer here. game been dead we need more info other than u spamming the thread with your introspective thoughts. Idk what I think anymore im lost

please just don't like there's more to gain here and game being dead is very sortable like if cat scratch fever is a scums where are the partners who would be presumably trying to move the wagon? like from your perspective there really isn't anyone i wouldn't think because to me it seems like you're mainly the only one who would fit that description,

also maybe just encourage the game to be less dead? without encouraging hammer,

which admittedly i tried but i don't really know how to do so, but maybe you do, could get the absent to be less so,

what do u think i did? it worked. and now its back to dead

don't forget im the one who initially prompted activity with my whole fiasco with the guardian angel and all that

[GrandpaMo]

UNVOTE:

still considering a bianco csf team

if u vote csf I will hammer btw

lol whatever at this point i dont know nor care bout your agenda. mine is finding scum.

im on ur side dipshit

[GrandpaMo]

drew started this wagon?

[GrandpaMo]

I wanna say there is 2 scum csf, drew, spino, and phir

pedit: i don't understand why you are being frustrated. did i vote anyone

[GrandpaMo]

CSF somehow gets scummier with every post

I like this, could get behind dueling wagons of CSF/Gmo

This seems like Drew expressing suspicion of CSF but CSF is already being wagoned so all it actually is doing is calling for more votes on GrandpaMo

didn't realize drew said this ... makes me think there is more viable scum in them

[GrandpaMo]

Nah GrandpaMo is right here, some wagons have enough context around them that even if it's a townflip it still helps a lot with unravelling the mysteries of the game.

also that is going to be just as true five days from now as it is right now, even more so because additional information gained, i guess i don't understand

dude we are not waiting for 5 days. ur insane

[GrandpaMo]

pedit: i don't understand why you are being frustrated. did i vote anyone

no you encouraged hammer though and so i have to speed up attempts at reading the behaviour around the cat scratch fever wagon, instead of giving more time to see how it develops,

u don't have to do anything. thats ur decision don't frame it in a way where jts my fault

[GrandpaMo]

and if i had to try to eliminate someone right now i don't think it would be cat scratch fever,

like sure i could easily be delaying a wagon on a scums but doesn't seem very most likely to me at this moment

then who? what are your scumrwads

[GrandpaMo]

m8 there is no hammer right now can u stop repeating urself.

[GrandpaMo]

m8 there is no hammer right now can u stop repeating urself.

fix it

vote and I will

[GrandpaMo]

saying there's no hammer and for me to stop repeating myself and then just immediately going back to this is ..................................

me wanting hammer and iniating a hammer is different

[GrandpaMo]

are you scared that csf might be scum?

[GrandpaMo]

are you scared that csf might be scum?

what

not u bookie

[GrandpaMo]

saying there's no hammer and for me to stop repeating myself and then just immediately going back to this is ..................................

me wanting hammer and iniating a hammer is different

sure but it's not like i know the difference until after you've actually hammered like it seemed possible to me that maybe you were testing for partners or whatever but it also seemed possible to me that you would just hammer and i would very much like for that not to happen, and i think enchant would probably hammer if you voted, so

VOTE: CSF

[GrandpaMo]

CSF somehow gets scummier with every post

I like this, could get behind dueling wagons of CSF/Gmo

This seems like Drew expressing suspicion of CSF but CSF is already being wagoned so all it actually is doing is calling for more votes on GrandpaMo

didn't realize drew said this ... makes me think there is more viable scum in them

Didn't even notice a wagon on CSF(noticed a vote or two).

But hey, if it leads to more votes on GMo, even better!

And CSF is a good compromise if for some reason people want to keep GMo alive.

this is a bad vote btw

[GrandpaMo]

I mean bad take*

[GrandpaMo]

enchant please do not hammer

pls hammer

[GrandpaMo]

Haha i scammed GrandpaMo

I was gonna vote with u or without u hammering lol

[GrandpaMo]

UNVOTE:

bad unvote

[GrandpaMo]

I don't think hammering right now is like, horrendous, but I also don't see why we should be rushing into it

im not rushing just willing to hammer if someone votes

[GrandpaMo]

am now kinda worried about {biancospino, grandpamo, maybe x} and everything seems so so fuzzy to me need to calm down and try to focus

Doug im willing to vote any of these 4

csf, drew, spino, and phir.

u never answer.my questions about who your scjmrwds were

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: CSF

...self vote? if ur town this is antitown

[GrandpaMo]

? going to assume that's a scumclaim?

if it is, I want an apology

[GrandpaMo]

for what? like i thought it was possible cat scratch fever was a scums i just thought there was more to be gained from the day continuing, and even if she is a scum i still think that's true

and obviously if she is a scums, she also thought there was more for town to gain by the day continuing, because she self-hammered

no demona ur overthinking again. ppl selfvote because of a defeated mindset. its rarely for that reason.

[GrandpaMo]

no demona ur overthinking again. ppl selfvote because of a defeated mindset. its rarely for that reason.

eh seems pretty likely to me it's for narrative reasons (ie to frame me because i was antihammer) or maybe(?) because biancospino is partner, but could be to frame that sort of narrative as well

hard to make that sort of judgment without knowing if there's a nightkill and who is nightkilled et cetera

I feel regardless of csf flip, we will still come to that judgment. I feel the overall collective towncore agrees that scum is hovering over csf, Bianca, and drew. I don't believe that's gonna change

[GrandpaMo]

ok

[GrandpaMo]

im just bored

[GrandpaMo]

no demona ur overthinking again. ppl selfvote because of a defeated mindset. its rarely for that reason.

eh seems pretty likely to me it's for narrative reasons (ie to frame me because i was antihammer) or maybe(?) because biancospino is partner, but could be to frame that sort of narrative as well

hard to make that sort of judgment without knowing if there's a nightkill and who is nightkilled et cetera

I feel regardless of csf flip, we will still come to that judgment. I feel the overall collective towncore agrees that scum is hovering over csf, Bianca, and drew. I don't believe that's gonna change

[GrandpaMo]

And you yourself were then a young man, you
Would visit the plague-houses without fear,
Among the dead and dying all night through
You toiled, and lived to work among us here.

Demona, the

town doctor

has been killed.

You are a

town doctor

. Every night you can pm me the name of another player to protect them from nightkills.

You win with the town when all the threats to the town are eliminated.

It is now Day 2, for another 2 weeks. With 9 alive it's 5 to eliminate

yup knew that is why they were asking.

also enchant looks horrible from yesterday insisting a hammer.

VOTE: Enchant

[GrandpaMo]

also seems like the game does not have any bastard mechanics nor any gamechanging flavor or anything -- the only bastard element i see right now is just with the roles which include mime as my role is standard vanilla passive PR

[GrandpaMo]

Cat Scratch Fever (6): Greeting, imaginality, biancospino, GrandpaMo, Enchant, Cat Scratch Fever

2 of these people include mime and atleast 1 include scum.

i see imag and enchant being mime

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: GrandpaMo

fuk u

is this because i exposed u correctly?

also i will rr, i am a 1 shot bulletproof, which can explain some of the eradatic behavior from yesterday. but i am not lying this time. this is my true role -- i have had softs since the beginning

[GrandpaMo]

Oh no two GranpaMo's.....I am gonna have to recruit the best of the best to counter that.

Also a vote on Bianco, ok now we are getting spicy.

ikr also can u stop like fakeclaiming and rlly claim ur greedy exec role that ur target is demona

hmmmmmmmmmmm
In the same vein as what I said about Bianco, the mention of exec here stands out

i mentioed greedy exec in my past two games. neither game i was greedy exec lol

[GrandpaMo]

Cat Scratch Fever (6): Greeting, imaginality, biancospino, GrandpaMo, Enchant, Cat Scratch Fever

2 of these people include mime

and atleast 1 include scum.

i see imag and enchant being mime

Is this GrandpaMo mime-slipping that there are three mimes not two?

i was assuming there is 3 because of a faction based game. the way the mod put it -- it seemed like it was a mime faction that u dont recruit. 2 mimes as a minority faction with no ability to recruit is oddly weird and never done.

[GrandpaMo]

Actually are you just mime

isnt the mech play to elim u. if ur scum, cool we got one scum out. if ur town, we get them out

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: Greeting
I think you're smart enough not to make that play if you were mime

are u able to roleclaim? i dont think greeting would lie here so randomly. the only time they would lie is to get themeslves out but at the same time, that would just be too obvious. greeting couldf just easily hop on the wagon of voting me out or something. i think that if greeting is not lying, then greeting might have gotten redirected?

[GrandpaMo]

We decide today to vote him out tomorrow, as blackmail. If he is mime and not dead, they are voted out and scum lose (toghether with town, but scum don't care about that part). So if he's mime, scum must kill them unless they have reasons to believe there are 3 mimes

thats faulty. i dont think scum ever kills mimes early this game. i think maf can keep them alive to fuck with town

[GrandpaMo]

there is also a def higher planning thing where greeting and meuh are mimes together and they are orchestrating this whole thing to get one of the mime people out so that the mime leader stays alive till the rest of the game and can win.

[GrandpaMo]

You were

given

a power?

Yes. And the result was you visiting

demona

. She was not visited by anyone else.

Yeah this is just not true
Can anyone attest to giving Greeting a power? I imagine there was no power given

@greeting. actually this is not rolefishing. this could actually be beneficial to out. if u gave this power. please out it. but how will they be given this power? through the day im assuming -- thats the only time.

[GrandpaMo]

there is also a def higher planning thing where greeting and meuh are mimes together and they are orchestrating this whole thing to get one of the mime people out so that the mime leader stays alive till the rest of the game and can win.

How. The mime leader needs also be executed to win.

And I really don't get how 3 mimes would be your default, your explanation didn't really made much sense to me

i was assuming there is 3 because of a faction based game. the way the mod put it -- it seemed like it was a mime faction that u dont recruit. 2 mimes as a minority faction with no ability to recruit is oddly weird and never done.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Paris_Mafia

1. they wait till the end -- its easy.
2.idk, i just dont ever see 2 mimes here with a minority faction. i dont too much about these bastard factions. usually when i played with minority factions they were all 3+ or more so im used to that schema.

[GrandpaMo]

but how will they be given this power? through the day im assuming -- thats the only time.

I received the power at the very beginning of Night 1, so I would assume that this power was given out during Day 1.

@mod if someone receives something during the day, will they be notified during the day or the beginning of night 1?

[GrandpaMo]

and everyone thought I was crZy

[GrandpaMo]

pls if u gave greeting a power, pls out it

[GrandpaMo]

Aside from anything else if the power giver was town then there should be one player who believes Greeting (presumably they would give the shot to someone they townread).

It doesn't seem anyone does believe Greeting though so either the power giver is non-town or (more likely) Greeting is just lying.

I don't think Phir or Wheme have showed up yet so while I think Greeting is outright lying, we should probably leave some benefit of the doubt until then

What benefit of doubt

To it being some wacky bastard situation that somehow ended up with Greeting having false info

ur not even confident yourself either.

i just dont see the benefit of greeting doing this play as scum.

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