Newbie 2123: Synthwave | Day 4

[The Bulge]

i had only read up to like page 24 before the day ended

btw, now that you caught up, do you have any thoughts for us?

do i ever

[The Bulge]

alright im gonna derail things a little bit here bc i think this town's course is set to a loss.

having read the full game, my top scumread stands, and my read on jason is actually a lot stronger than my invisibility read so buckle up

my theory is that jason replaced into a slot content with playing from the sidelines and flying under the radar. a decent tactic for sure, with townies delta/overseer/guerilla (and even black) tearing each other to pieces and drowning out any other discussions. but jason saw an opportunity to take control.

he comes into the game and knows that overseer v guerilla is tvt (this was his stated read of the situation, but scum!jason knows it for a fact). emotions are high, discussion is messy and unproductive, gamestate is in shambles. rather than sit by and let it play out, he plays the mediator between guerilla and delta. he lays down some tough love, wins both sides over, hears them out all while offering his own advice (on a personal level. the goal here is clearly conflict resolution, not gamesolving*) and now all of a sudden he's in a position of trusted authority. only a short step away from town leader.


*towwl's read of jason's play 822 was a bit baffling to me, and delta and possibly others mentioned something similar. towwl says jason is "poking around in fruitful places and generating meaningful discussion", but while jason has perhaps positively contributed to the gamestate and ~the general vibe of the thread~, he's brought nothing new to the table, only calmed guerilla and delta down, rehashed old points in a more level-headed voice. so far he's been a peacemaker, not a discussion leader. i dont know that this says anything about towwl necessarily, its a viable pairing but im extremely unsure where my individual read of towwl sits after fully catching up.


so now jason has established himself as a voice of reason in a chaotic game that seems to beg for such a voice. as his first decree, jason declares in 833 that today's lim is to be between guerilla and overseer. despite the fact he is townreading both slots, the gamestate demands it. jason is i believe the first player (besides guerilla himself) to make this assertion. and as he expected, the town rolls with it. the whole playerlist is eating right out of his hand. IC-esque mechtalk in 877 solidifies this position as a rational authority figure. keeping with his coach-voice, by 903 he is already directing newbie votes in order to maintain the overseer/guerilla dichotomy.

jason's priority from the moment he replaced into the game was to take control, and the reins were right there. there was no catch up, no original thoughts from a fresh set of eyes, because that kind of entrance would only waste a golden opportunity.


but things changed around page 40 when delta got into yet another heated shitflinger, this time with pink ball, who proceeds to go off on delta who is atp flailing with rage. jason notedly takes a massive step back. while the overseer/guerilla ultimatum would truthfully be an informative d1 lim, the thread seems fed up enough with deltabreedy for this to actually go somewhere. so jason lets pink ball cook. go back and read it - the shift in jason's control of the thread is tangible. delta is, as ive stated twice, a far lower info mislim than my slot of guerilla. if town goes for it, jason still gets to cash in on his town leader cred, but the lim goes somewhere far more favourable for scum. plus with 1172 he's set up yet another mislim (maybe pink ball kill was wifom for this reason? i havent thought much further than that about the nk).

thats the gist of my thoughts on an overnight catchup. i know its a little narrow, but i wasnt catching up with the intent of having a theory ready for start of day, i just wanted to be caught up so i could properly engage w the game, but this stuck out to me and i kept seeing more.

[The Bulge]

and if there's one thing i love in this game its a good long tunnel to keep me cozy

[towwl]

*towwl's read of jason's play 822 was a bit baffling to me, and delta and possibly others mentioned something similar. towwl says jason is "poking around in fruitful places and generating meaningful discussion", but while jason has perhaps positively contributed to the gamestate and ~the general vibe of the thread~, he's brought nothing new to the table, only calmed guerilla and delta down, rehashed old points in a more level-headed voice. so far he's been a peacemaker, not a discussion leader. i dont know that this says anything about towwl necessarily, its a viable pairing but im extremely unsure where my individual read of towwl sits after fully catching up.

It's possible I overvalue vibes...

[JasonWazza]

I love how your entire post of how i replaced in, can be read as me just being a Townie trying to stop a shit show, but you are just changing that to scum to suit a narrative.

[towwl]

Just remembered I townread Guerilla also because of his commitment to the game vis-a-vis his reading of other players' metas earlier in the game. I don't think that's been brought up much.

[JasonWazza]

IC-esque mechtalk

For the newbies btw, this is an old name used in the newbie queue in a bygone age.

Inexperience Challenged, Basically a player that you could ask questions about mechanics and stuff to, and they were to answer you truthfully.

The fact that i do the similar thing regardless is just a hold over from having been in that time.

[Mafiabat]

VOTE: mafiabat

bat goes *flapflapflapkillflap*

OK Mala. Vote me with zero justification. OK.

I’m going to keep my vote on Bulge - his slot vs Guerilla still isn’t resolved yet, and I still trust Guerilla more. Plus, Bulge just suddenly tunneled into Jason???

VOTE: Bulge

[JasonWazza]

his slot vs Guerilla still isn’t resolved yet

Why are you so sure that one of them is scum?

[Malakittens]

@jason:

I’m very sad that in the Meta analysis of my scum Pt that you failed to mention that I usually have a PoE of players that are likely to be a PR rather than vanilla and I’m usually right

[JasonWazza]

Well i mean, that wasn't what i was looking for, i don't think this is an attempted PR kill, so that point would be irrelevant.

[towwl]

Mala do you have any thoughts on Mafiabat's posts from after you voted for him on Day1?

[towwl]

interesting.

Bazuf is definitely reacting differently to pressure here than the newbie game that he replaced into.

And do you have any follow up to this post?

[Malakittens]

Yes I’m sure of batty scum

[Mafiabat]

Yes I’m sure of batty scum

OK. Why?

[GuerillaWoo]

Yes I’m sure of batty scum

I mean I think you need to justify this in relation to Bat's newer posts. I know why you think Bat is scum from their early defensiveness, but I'd like to know why for everything after that.

[Bazuf]

I see that Bulge is maybe seeing something with Jason as well...
I'll have to take the time to study his ISO and see if there's something there, but something feels off there...

This is just a pressure vote for now.
VOTE: Malakittens

Please share a bit more of your reasoning...
Why are you so sure mafiabat is scum?
Who do you think is his partner?

[GuerillaWoo]

Besides, I think you're planting the idea that some inexperienced player would kill Pink

Bazuf, can you elaborate on this?

[JasonWazza]

I see that Bulge is maybe seeing something with Jason as well...

How so, he didn't actually show scum motivation, if anything he actually in several spots showed that I acted contrary to what the scum motivation was.

[Bazuf]

Pink kill is definitely weird, it's why i'm not voting just yet.

Trying to parse it in my brain to work out who the fuck would make that kill, and was honestly hoping to rule out the more experienced players (because it feels like a bad kill) but a quick check of Mala's contributions in Scum PT's tells me they aren't someone to generally be deciding the kill, and Bulge also doesn't seem to have a lot of recent Scum PT's to search through.

Guerrilla, what I mean is above...
I don't know if its something, but felt to me like he wants us to think that the Pink kill was so weird that only a newbie could do it...
Afterward, he said he had other theories but couldn't share them yet.

But Bulge comments are resonating with me...

Guerrila, why do you think the scum didn't kill either you or Bulge N-1?
Why would they go for Pink, which would probably get heat in D-2 for the D-1 lim?

I see that Bulge is maybe seeing something with Jason as well...

How so, he didn't actually show scum motivation, if anything he actually in several spots showed that I acted contrary to what the scum motivation was.

I think you should read again 1326
He's absolutely SR'ing you.

[JasonWazza]

I think you should read again 1326
He's absolutely SR'ing you.

I read it, it's full of Confirmation Bias and doesn't actually show scum motivation, so again, why are you just trying to run with it?

No one else that read it went for me based on that information, so again why does it make YOU think i am scum.

UNVOTE: Towwl
VOTE: Bazuf

[GuerillaWoo]

Guerrilla, what I mean is above...
I don't know if its something, but felt to me like he wants us to think that the Pink kill was so weird that only a newbie could do it...
Afterward, he said he had other theories but couldn't share them yet.

Assume that Jason didn't say anything about the Pink kill for a second. What are your thoughts on it?

Guerrila, why do you think the scum didn't kill either you or Bulge N-1?
Why would they go for Pink, which would probably get heat in D-2 for the D-1 lim?

Huh? Why would they kill me or Bulge? Your question is begging for further elaboration lol

I've already outlined my thoughts on NKA in #1314.

[JasonWazza]

@guerilla, mind joining me for a bit?

[GuerillaWoo]

Yep.

UNVOTE: Towwl
VOTE: Bazuf

[towwl]

Yes I’m sure of batty scum

I am on my hands and knees BEGGING you to give us some analysis