BooneyToonz XVI: Boons Ahoy! - [END]

[Firebringer]

in the interest of self metaing urself Cephy.
I don't get why u continue saying ur clearly in ur town meta
can u explain how u see urself and what the hell i am missing that ur so obvious town

[Enchant]

kuribo thinks i operate at 90 iq but im really working at a 70 iq.

You need to update operation system

[Firebringer]

kuribo thinks i operate at 90 iq but im really working at a 70 iq.

You need to update operation system

Not enough disk space for it.
I got it filled with 10000 copies of the bee movie.

[Here There Be Dragons]

in the interest of self metaing urself Cephy.
I don't get why u continue saying ur clearly in ur town meta
can u explain how u see urself and what the hell i am missing that ur so obvious town

i dont think i said clearly, but maybe i did

i felt very righteous and firey d1 and i haven't played a scum game like that (aside from an alt where i always do that on purpose) since, like, it became decently well known that my scum meta was confidence in ~2015

-c

[Emperor flippyNips]

Well I was in a neighborhood with theta. Not that that has to do with why they said I’m a town read. It wouldn’t make sense for them to sr me based off of our last game together (right before this one) and seeing how terrible I am at scum. I have a whole different vibe here which would make it hard for them to say I’m scum without me calling them put for it. DD was there too

Why are you looking at me to defend you?

I’m not, just a fact

[Doctor Drew]

Well I was in a neighborhood with theta. Not that that has to do with why they said I’m a town read. It wouldn’t make sense for them to sr me based off of our last game together (right before this one) and seeing how terrible I am at scum. I have a whole different vibe here which would make it hard for them to say I’m scum without me calling them put for it. DD was there too

Why are you looking at me to defend you?

I’m not, just a fact

This seems eerily similar to how Theta was using that game to defend their play in this game. Maybe I should look back at that game, but there isn't anything you have done here that says to me 'oh scum Flippy was wildly different'

[Boonskiies]

1572 copypasta has some outdated terms in it. Let's just watch for that going forward.

[Doctor Drew]

Kuribo, are you really saying that Wheme couldn't have protected who scum tried to NK(and that Theta couldn't have been the one to do the kill) and that your 'vig' shot is the only explanation for Theta's death?

[Kitty Trauma Team]

Kuribo, are you really saying that Wheme couldn't have protected who scum tried to NK(and that Theta couldn't have been the one to do the kill) and that your 'vig' shot is the only explanation for Theta's death?

No I never said that

I said I'm not gonna sit here and be told I'm fake claiming by people who say that Wheme star was the only explanation

I know who the fuck I shot

[Kitty Trauma Team]

Honestly at this point I've had a real shitty day on my third double shift this week, I slept like two hours last night and all I've eaten today is two oranges and an entire pot of coffee

So what I'm gonna do now is I'm gonna head home and I'm gonna mix some Hurricane with some moonshine and imma sit in a Fuckin bathtub and think about where I went wrong ih my life

[Frogs]

Kitty hydra targeted theta w/ a vig shot.
Wheme died and Theta also died.

Wheme could have just been the night kill while Kitty vigged Theta, or Wheme died and took Theta down.

[Frogs]

can I get a raise of hands of who actually had Wheme as a fos for D1 because I was never really interesting in pursuing that player.

[Frogs]

Wheme could have just been the night kill while Kitty vigged Theta

me personally this is what I think happened but ik they were getting fos' while I kinda just saw them as obvtown

[NorwegianboyEE]

I dunno if i saw them as obvtown but at the very least i had them as townread in my mind.

[Doctor Drew]

Enchant and Lich both sound informed as fuck about oh obviously Theta tried to kill someone and Wheme killed Theta


Meanwhile in zero realities was Theta townread enough to be performing the scum kill without fear of getting tracked

what if their partners were less townread
what if they were choosing who they could afford to lose rather than who was safest

-c

*shrug* you can only account for so many what ifs

i just think it's extremely possible that theta performed the kill and i don't plan to ignore that possibility

-c

I don't expect you to ignore the possibility but I absolutely refuse to accept any scenario that involves me fake claiming because I know that scenario can't be reality

Ok then, I misread this interaction then earlier today.

Outside of what you know what you did overnight, can't you objectively understand how people can call this into doubt though?

Pre Edit: I didn't think Wheme as obvtown, more null leaning a bit south of null maybe

[Kitty Trauma Team]

Enchant and Lich both sound informed as fuck about oh obviously Theta tried to kill someone and Wheme killed Theta


Meanwhile in zero realities was Theta townread enough to be performing the scum kill without fear of getting tracked

what if their partners were less townread
what if they were choosing who they could afford to lose rather than who was safest

-c

*shrug* you can only account for so many what ifs

i just think it's extremely possible that theta performed the kill and i don't plan to ignore that possibility

-c

I don't expect you to ignore the possibility but I absolutely refuse to accept any scenario that involves me fake claiming because I know that scenario can't be reality

Ok then, I misread this interaction then earlier today.

Outside of what you know what you did overnight, can't you objectively understand how people can call this into doubt though?

Pre Edit: I didn't think Wheme as obvtown, more null leaning a bit south of null maybe

No because I had no Fuckin reason to fake claim that

Right outta the gate on day 2? That's not how anything Fuckin works

[NorwegianboyEE]

Enchant and Lich both sound informed as fuck about oh obviously Theta tried to kill someone and Wheme killed Theta


Meanwhile in zero realities was Theta townread enough to be performing the scum kill without fear of getting tracked

what if their partners were less townread
what if they were choosing who they could afford to lose rather than who was safest

-c

*shrug* you can only account for so many what ifs

i just think it's extremely possible that theta performed the kill and i don't plan to ignore that possibility

-c

I don't expect you to ignore the possibility but I absolutely refuse to accept any scenario that involves me fake claiming because I know that scenario can't be reality

Ok then, I misread this interaction then earlier today.

Outside of what you know what you did overnight, can't you objectively understand how people can call this into doubt though?

Pre Edit: I didn't think Wheme as obvtown, more null leaning a bit south of null maybe

I mean Kuribo seems to struggle a bit with the idea that their own subjective "truth" doesn’t apply to other people. I don’t blame them for it or view it as scummy, but it is an cognitive bias that some people can fall into, including myself.
Like i’ve said, i trust the claim. But i also recognize that there is a world where they are scum and made up a claim on the spot, which would actually be a reslly poggers strategy if they were mafia.

[Kitty Trauma Team]

Enchant and Lich both sound informed as fuck about oh obviously Theta tried to kill someone and Wheme killed Theta


Meanwhile in zero realities was Theta townread enough to be performing the scum kill without fear of getting tracked

what if their partners were less townread
what if they were choosing who they could afford to lose rather than who was safest

-c

*shrug* you can only account for so many what ifs

i just think it's extremely possible that theta performed the kill and i don't plan to ignore that possibility

-c

I don't expect you to ignore the possibility but I absolutely refuse to accept any scenario that involves me fake claiming because I know that scenario can't be reality

Ok then, I misread this interaction then earlier today.

Outside of what you know what you did overnight, can't you objectively understand how people can call this into doubt though?

Pre Edit: I didn't think Wheme as obvtown, more null leaning a bit south of null maybe

I mean Kuribo seems to struggle a bit with the idea that their own subjective "truth" doesn’t apply to other people. I don’t blame them for it or view it as scummy, but it is an cognitive bias that some people can fall into, including myself.
Like i’ve said, i trust the claim. But i also recognize that there is a world where they are scum and made up a claim on the spot, which would actually be a reslly poggers strategy if they were mafia.

Buddy you're barkin up the wrong tree if you think I'm still a capable scum player

I haven't been scum since team mafia 2020 and I haven't won a scum game since 2017

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wouldn't know your history as i think it's first game with you but if you say so then i guess it's more likely you don't pull a gambit like that as scum.
(If this is wrong someone else can maybe verify this)

[Boonskiies]

Vote Count 2.02

Emperor flippyNips [2]:

TemporalLich, Enchant

Ranger [1]:

NorwegianboyEE

Frogs [1]:

Ranger

Firebringer [1]:

Here There Be Dragons

Enchant [1]:

Kitty Trauma Team

Not Voting

[6]: Peregrine, Emperor flippyNips, Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Klick, Frogs

With

12

alive, it takes

7

to fade.

Day 2

ends

(expired on 2023-06-04 01:30:00)

Mod Notes:

Oi.

[TemporalLich]

I still think emperor flippynips is the scummiest player as of now

oh and doctor drew is towny

[Frogs]

@STD Happy Cake Day!!!

[Ranger]

Apologies it took extra 12 hours, medical issues arose.

Important;

Whemestar bodyguarded someone from mafia kill. Because they were targeted instead, Disabler kicked in. Therefore mafia can't kill anyone next night.

While I'm not certain it works this way,

if

it does,

WE ARE A ONE SHOT VIG / ONE SHOT TRACKER

Ideal play would be holstering any protection/tracking/watching actions with gates.

It does need to be verified the disable works on the factional kill and not just the player making the kill.

Mafia tried to kill someone but killed Wheme instead who retaliated and killed Theme in response.

I wouldn't be surprised if mafia straight-up shot WhemeStar. Wheme was one of the most universally townread players D1. The only other player I can think of on par universally was Peregrine, who by virtue of ascetic, wouldn't be protected by Wheme.

If Wheme did save someone, though, I still think Kitty Trauma Team shot Theta regardless.

[Ranger]

Do you have any way to confirm this.

I've no need to confirm what I know is true.

Still,

What metric do you use to measure someone being townie or scummy at all?

Answering this is beneficial.

The simple answer is, I don't.

My scumhunting process is a series of snap-calls repeatedly, divided into two halves. There's an emphasis on fluidity, with everything being in-the-moment judgements. (If I forget a reason for a read and it's stale, move closer to null. I can always strengthen it again later if I remember why.)

READSLISTS:
Does my readslist look right?
If so, continue.
If not, what looks wrong on it?
Continue adjusting until it feels right.

POSTS:
Does this post affect the read I have on a player, strengthening/weakening my read on them?
If no, continue.
If yes, does it change their position in my readslist?
If no, continue.
If yes, adjust the readslist accordingly.

My read on Theta changed for three reasons.


The first, Students flipped town. Looking at my last readslist, it was lacking in scumreads. Having only two scumreads and two nullreads, I was short on scum.

The second, the extended twilight posting. Theta Alpine made many posts which indicated she believed Students' claim, in a way I thought indicated her the opposite alignment of Students. Had Students flipped scum, I'd think her clear from a townslip. With Students town, I believed she slipped knowing Students would flip town.


The third, I actually did have a Theta Alpine scumread earlier. Some time between my reading of P26 and my reading of P31, the read flipped to a weak townread. Where she stayed the remainder of the day.
I didn't remember why I swapped her from scum to town; I knew the townread was weak and consistently so; I had reason to believe she had scumslipped after Students flipped town.

So, Theta Alpine was my top pick for scum last night.

[Ranger]

IDK if thats the correct way to say it.

I'm getting really tired of explaining this every game.

I am not mastina.
I don't have her feelings, emotions, philosophies, thoughts, processing methods, speaking patterns, or memories. She is an entirely different person.

Near as I can tell

, there isn't any single one person named mastina in her system, because mastina is the collection of everyone in her system.

I am also plural. There isn't any single one person named Ranger in my system, although we all identify by the name at least partially.


We do have some things in common, such as both being veteran mafia players with an internalized scumhunting process which makes heavy usage of readslists. (I don't actually know what mastina's process is, you'd need to ask her, but whatever hers is, it isn't mine.)

The similarities end there. She and I are as different as you and kuribo are. You're both experienced in the medical field and play mafia, but are you the same person? Of course not.

It's okay to ask me if I've familiarity with a game mastina was in.
It's not okay to assume I'm an alt of her. She and I have vastly different philosophies, playstyles, and life experiences.

I've an established meta at this point.
There's no need for comparing me to someone I loathe. Use MY completed games, not hers.