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[Elements]

It's day 1, wait till day three then I'll have one for you

[OopsieDaisy]

It's day 1, wait till day three then I'll have one for you

With the current state of the game it's not looking good on you making day 3 lmao, but also someone note this so we can make Elements come up with one if they make it :3

[Morning Tweet]

So you’re saying element flakes out when scum?

That's my only experience playing with Elements, scum flake outs. I know it happened at least once but the other game I played with Elements was a flakeout, don't remember the alignment. In any case Elements being the most prolific poster is noticably a new look

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: hu tao

I'm having flashbacks

I'll bite

Why towwl

Why flashbacks

Do I need a reason to vote someone a few pages in?

And because you thought I was scum for the most part of the early game last game. So I have to decide if your reasoning is valid or not

do i need a reason to vote you a few pages in?

[Morning Tweet]

Lmao

Okay that's not really what i was asking

What I was getting at is the last couple times I played with Elements, iirc they flaked out during the first day after getting some heat. Do you recall Chara's Folly where you ended up being the D1 lim? For one, elements wasn't trying to shake things up and two she definitely wasn't the top poster by a wide margin. I'm curious what is the cause for the change.

Elements was scum in Chara's Folly but they didn't really make too much of an impression on me. Did you know anyone in that game? If you remember Chara's (i wont be forgetting it)

Was this question for me or sheep? I can't tell

You -- where was this "Lie deliberately" and "post the most" in our previous games, why now? I was also mentioning Chara's folly but that game is several years old i wouldnt be surprised if u forgot it. Its possible that game wasn't indicative of how you usually play

I think the way curious reacts to Elements is slightly towny, I don't think scum would see town shifting reads unpredictably and without reason and turn that into "I cannot believe i have caught you in a lie this early". I'd assume it's a gambit or a reaction test or otherwise something deeper, this seems more a genuine reaction

You seem to have a lot of town reads/leans. Do you have anything on the scum side or are you not bothering with that yet?

Spoiler: tangent: finding town

I largely think playing for scumreads early on is fruitless and tend to place a big emphasis on building a town core and eliminating the rest until more concrete reasons come up like votes on flipped wagons or role results.

Essentially I think it's more important that a group of players who have a high chance of reading one another by the end of the game who are also personal townleans of mine make up a large town pool. Then anyone who sticks out can be PoE'd. I would rather devote my time to looking for these players than trying to accuse people in hopes of garnering a suspicious reaction (To be honest, I'm very non-believing when it comes to a lot of scum tells especially early when scum can claim anything without their hand being forced much)

It's a lot harder for me to find scum than it is to find town although yes you could say that probability wise that makes sense. I think players should be read through whether what they are saying seems genuine more than anything else. Which is sort of a hard thing to define. I suppose I build up a large amount of people that make me believe what they're saying (regardless of whether or not I agree) and try to facilitate eliminating within the PoE.

Bristep's reaction to pressure pinged me as slightly scummy but im not as hot about it right now

UNVOTE:

[Save The Dragons]

what specifically are you flashing back to? the fact i was town mistaken on you?

[Elements]

Re: finding town
That's what I meant by "not bothering with that yet"

Re: Chara
I'll answer when I'm not phone posting, but yes Chara isn't reflective of how I normally play

[Morning Tweet]

Im curious what DGB and towwy are reading that feels agendalike about me

[Morning Tweet]

i guess you could say I more or less don't bother with that yet.

[Emperor flippyNips]

My town read

numéro un

is Elements.

Why?

Good talk

[OopsieDaisy]

bristep also town.

any particular reason why? seems to be a hot take right now

omg emperor look we're twins i also had a lovely and enlightening convo with goof <3

[Emperor flippyNips]

I asked you about your motivations. You lied.

My day 1 play is to get things to happen. If I say my motivation for doing X is to get things to happen it stops getting things to happen in the same way. So of course I lied, just so happened that this was a provable lie

As an fyi for people who want my opinion, this *kind of* checks out. Elements, like me, is someone who wants to push a proactive Day 1, often putting themselves on the line in order to create some form of activity. And you can't pressure someone into a reaction if you vocalise that intention as you vote them, because then they're fully aware of what you're doing.

Imagine if on my Bristar vote, instead of picking out an actual tangible reason to vote them, I just said nothing/an off-hand joke/outed the fact I wanted to see what they'd do if I voted em. Would we have seen the "glib" reaction then? Likely not.

On the other hand, yea El straight up lied about their thought process I can absolutely see why you wanna push this. Plus I think El is kinda scummy this game so far so I've no problem with them being a wagon. Just as someone who's played many games with El I don't find it ultra surprising like this is some out-of-character hand caught in the cookie jar moment. The biggest issue I have is El trying to manipulate me into preaching a stance that would benefit them with the activity thing :3

This is a lot to read. Attention span. Draining.

[Emperor flippyNips]

bristep also town.

any particular reason why? seems to be a hot take right now

omg emperor look we're twins i also had a lovely and enlightening convo with goof <3

Omg look at us! Let’s kill ‘em!

[Emperor flippyNips]

UNVOTE:

[Emperor flippyNips]

Spoiler:

I asked you about your motivations. You lied.

My day 1 play is to get things to happen. If I say my motivation for doing X is to get things to happen it stops getting things to happen in the same way. So of course I lied, just so happened that this was a provable lie

As an fyi for people who want my opinion, this *kind of* checks out. Elements, like me, is someone who wants to push a proactive Day 1, often putting themselves on the line in order to create some form of activity. And you can't pressure someone into a reaction if you vocalise that intention as you vote them, because then they're fully aware of what you're doing.

Imagine if on my Bristar vote, instead of picking out an actual tangible reason to vote them, I just said nothing/an off-hand joke/outed the fact I wanted to see what they'd do if I voted em. Would we have seen the "glib" reaction then? Likely not.

On the other hand, yea El straight up lied about their thought process I can absolutely see why you wanna push this. Plus I think El is kinda scummy this game so far so I've no problem with them being a wagon. Just as someone who's played many games with El I don't find it ultra surprising like this is some out-of-character hand caught in the cookie jar moment. The biggest issue I have is El trying to manipulate me into preaching a stance that would benefit them with the activity thing :3

This is a lot to read. Attention span. Draining.

Still read it tho. Took all I had. I start here when I come beck

[Emperor flippyNips]

Okay I’m caught up, daisy feels the most town to me overall vibes feel right. Page 10 read so take it with a salt rock

[Emperor flippyNips]

Element is meh

[Emperor flippyNips]

I think for the moment everyone else is null then with a slight tr on daisy

[Merlyn]

bristep also town.

any particular reason why? seems to be a hot take right now

omg emperor look we're twins i also had a lovely and enlightening convo with goof <3

I'll follow this thought, I don't like Goofballs eyeroll to Hu Tao, their readslist is awfully detailed for so early in the game, and they're not taking questions atm. UNVOTE:
VOTE: Goofball

[geraintm]

Bristep's reaction to pressure pinged me as slightly scummy but im not as hot about it right now

UNVOTE:

"i found what they did scummy, but i am going to unvote them"

that about right?

[bristep123]

Seems to be about right. Your vote seemed like a lazy wagon hop but you’ve got d1 form for that from 2300 - maybe give out some naughty points or are you not doing that this game?

As much as weak hop-ons ping me I’m also curious about those who have town read me without any real explanation as well because that could easily be setting up for the town flip if I’m eliminated -‘see, I was right’.

Elsewhere, Karma/Elements feels like town/town to me and Oopsie remains my strongest feeling for town.

[geraintm]

Seems to be about right. Your vote seemed like a lazy wagon hop but you’ve got d1 form for that from 2300 - maybe give out some naughty points or are you not doing that this game?

As much as weak hop-ons ping me I’m also curious about those who have town read me without any real explanation as well because that could easily be setting up for the town flip if I’m eliminated -‘see, I was right’.

Elsewhere, Karma/Elements feels like town/town to me and Oopsie remains my strongest feeling for town.

Bristep, are you replying to my post at Mornkng Tweet?

[geraintm]

Seems to be about right. Your vote seemed like a lazy wagon hop but you’ve got d1 form for that from 2300 - maybe give out some naughty points or are you not doing that this game?

As much as weak hop-ons ping me I’m also curious about those who have town read me without any real explanation as well because that could easily be setting up for the town flip if I’m eliminated -‘see, I was right’.

Elsewhere, Karma/Elements feels like town/town to me and Oopsie remains my strongest feeling for town.

No naughty points so far this game.
And my vote for you was nothing to do with anything you had done

[bristep123]

I was referring to your previous post yes. Didn’t quote as it was the post directly before.

[Thestatusquo]